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Kurt Warner echoes Kevin Mawae’s comments about quality of 2006 CBA

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In January 2011, former NFL center and NFLPA (no asterisk at the time) president Kevin Mawae said that, in 2006, the players “got such a great deal” at the bargaining table.

And the league has consistently bludgeoned Mawae with his words ever since.

The NFL surely wishes that former quarterback quarterback Kurt Warner had a greater role in the NFLPA*, given Warner’s recent comments on the 2006 CBA.

“We had a great deal,” Warner recently said, per Mike Sando of ESPN.com.  “We had one of the best deals, in my opinion, of any of the pro sports when you talking about all of the things involved. Players knew that. We understood that. It afforded us lots of luxuries and making a lot of money.

“But I think players are also realistic to understand, ‘OK, things have gotten out of control to some degree and so we’re willing to even the scales on those things.’ But there’s also things that we want, too. We want things that protect us long-term. We want the health-care issues. We want the issues of a 16-game season as opposed to putting us out there for a couple more games. This is just my opinion, I think players would take a little less money but they want the security of some of the other things that they’re asking for. I think that’s gonna be a big issue because they understand that players have a little more to lose than the owners. The owners will still be owners five years from now. Players, you miss a year and it costs you a lot when you’re talking about a short NFL career. So, players have a lot to lose. But I’m still very I’m optimistic that they’ll find a way to get this done and there will be football in 2011.”

A cynic may question whether Warner is merely carrying water for one of his current employers, the broadcast network owned by the league.  We tend to think he was merely being honest.

The NFLPA* would likely say he was being too honest.

Either way, the two sides need to be talking.  The offer the league made last week doesn’t have to be accepted as is, but the players need to formulate a response — now — and the two sides need to continue their dialogue.

And if they need a new mediator, the NFL likely would suggest hiring Kurt Warner.

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46 Responses to “Kurt Warner echoes Kevin Mawae’s comments about quality of 2006 CBA”
  1. geeeeemen says: Mar 16, 2011 2:36 PM

    Why hasn’t an NFLPA* rep (Mawae, Brees) been asked flat out, “In recent days, owners as well as Goodell have said they would love to continue bargaining at the present time. Why won’t you continue bargaining?”

    Force them to answer “because we like our chances in court.” Then we’ll know who prefers litigation.

  2. broncfanor says: Mar 16, 2011 2:36 PM

    They were given health care and a 16 game schedule in the last offer they walked away from so what’s the excuse now?

  3. poweredtoast says: Mar 16, 2011 2:37 PM

    Warner has just enough of an IQ to land a job as a bag boy at a grocery store when not playing QB in the NFL, so really, can’t be surprised he would say something as stupidly as the NFLPA having a better deal than the other pro sports. Seriously, the NFLPA has the weakest deal of any by far, with the average NFL player in 2009 making 1/3rd that of the average baseball player on the lowest paid MLB team – and don’t get started comparing to the NBA…

    Seriously Kurt, shut up unless you’re asking ‘paper or plastic’.

  4. gramps33 says: Mar 16, 2011 2:38 PM

    The question is do the owners want a fair new deal or make back money that they lost from the 2006 deal.

  5. bluvayner says: Mar 16, 2011 2:39 PM

    Randy should probably stay out of the casinos……..judging from the results of his”calculated gamble” to raise his stats, and increase his bargaining power in free agency.

  6. wryly1 says: Mar 16, 2011 2:43 PM

    That may all be true, but a couple things to remember:

    1) The owners made that deal voluntarily, because thye know it’s the players, fans and TV networks that butter their bread, not something unique or special they do. They just happened to have the resources to buy into a business that is extremely lucrative.

    2) The American economy crashed in 2008. Most businesses were severely hurt – and most of us consumers/fans/working folks were forced to cut back on ‘discretionary spending’ on things like entertainment. But througout the tough times, the NFL continued to grow at a 4% rate – double… DOUBLE what the economy is doing now, even in recovery. Owners should be counting their ‘lucky stars’ – literally and figuratively!

  7. Deb says: Mar 16, 2011 2:44 PM

    Warner made some valid points but should let today’s players do the talking. Since retiring, he’s reminded me of Tiki Barber, getting attention by throwing others under the bus. He was pissy on Dancing With the Stars, too. Preferred him with a mouth guard.

  8. coffinberry says: Mar 16, 2011 2:46 PM

    So it isn’t actually slavery then?

  9. sh4doww4lker says: Mar 16, 2011 2:49 PM

    Who care what Warner says — everyone knows he has been hit in the head too many times to make sense of anything…….. although, it was an improvement over his days bagging groceries.

  10. geeeeemen says: Mar 16, 2011 2:50 PM

    @Deb

    Warner hasnt thrown anyone under the bus, has he? He said he felt personally responsible for the Cardinals QB deficiency last year. He’s a stand up guy, every knows it.

    Tiki announced his retirement mid-season, dissed the qb and coach soon after he left, and then the team won the super bowl without him. And then he cheated on his wife, who was 8 months pregnant with twins, with a 22 yr old intern.

    For Kurt’s sake, don’t compare the 2.

  11. kindbass says: Mar 16, 2011 2:54 PM

    When did this site (and all the commenters) become so pro-owner? How is anyone going to call the players greedy when there are guys like Dan Snyder out there? I just don’t get what has changed in the past week to completely change everyone’s opinion. Because the players turned down an offer they didn’t like?

  12. olskool711 says: Mar 16, 2011 2:58 PM

    The first thing the owners need to consider is the abolition of slavery.

    I had no idea things were that bad.

  13. vomitingliberals says: Mar 16, 2011 3:07 PM

    Warner didn’t say near enough! He knows well and good that the players have been robbing teams blind since the last CBA. Player salaries have risen 15% each year since 2006 and if the players had it their way, there would be no end in sight! Modern day players and the lemmings who worship them want players retiring richer and owners & their franchises becoming poorer than ever before. Keep it up and you will live to see the NFL go belly up. Yeah. the league continues to make more money each year, but more and more of it is going to the players. 60 cents on the dollar right now to be exact. 4% annual growth cannot sustain 15% hikes in salary for very long.

  14. cletusvandam says: Mar 16, 2011 3:09 PM

    Everything Warner said the players wanted, they were offered. The reality is that they wanted all those thing AND not to give any money back.

  15. jamaltimore says: Mar 16, 2011 3:11 PM

    2560 players, 80 players on each team and you need a union to bargain for you.

  16. wcman says: Mar 16, 2011 3:14 PM

    Hey poweredtoast, you do realize that the players in the NBA and MLB play 5 and 10 times more games respectively right? For the amount of times they actually take the field, NFL players have the best pay for play deal by a wide margin. Yes the game is harder on the body, but the fact remains, this is a league with the shortest season of any, and the most money to spend. I’m not pro owner, but I’m not overly sympaththetic to players that can make a million a year to long snap, or the vet minimum of 700 grand to ride the bench either.

    Warner is like most players when they leave the game, and that is more objective. Instead of being led by the rhetoric of the union, he can see both sides of the issue, and the fact is the players have a great deal going. Too great in fact which is why we sit where we do at the moment.

  17. ursushorribilis says: Mar 16, 2011 3:17 PM

    YIKES!

    Kurt, a man of INTEGRITY in this wilderness of pampered, self-serving “slave millionaires”…speaking the TRUTH…..
    but, then again, what does TRUTH have to do with anything nowadays……

  18. fartography says: Mar 16, 2011 3:18 PM

    Do what Kurt says and don’t question it. It sucked last year without him playing. Then go to Super Larry if there’s a need for a second opinion.

  19. vomitingliberals says: Mar 16, 2011 3:20 PM

    When did this site (and all the commenters) become so pro-owner? How is anyone going to call the players greedy when there are guys like Dan Snyder out there? I just don’t get what has changed in the past week to completely change everyone’s opinion. Because the players turned down an offer they didn’t like?

    ————–

    What did Dan Snyder ever do to make you think that he is greedy? Class envy much? People are waking up to the fact that the NFL league cannot sustain the current model for player salaries. They are waking up to the fact that some players make more money than actual franchises earn. They have become aware the player salaries have risen 15% each year since the last CBA agreement when the owners took it on the chin. They are beginning to see that the NFL will not remain viable and healthy in the long run while the demanding players retire richer each year.

    So again, I don’t know what Dan Snyder ever did to make you think he is greedy other then being rich (which is not inherent evidence of greed), but I suggest you begin to consider whether or not you would like to see a robust and healthy NFL down the road or if you simply want to see this current generation of NFL stars retire richer than ever while the league they leave behind for the next generation folds because the payout on the risk of investment in an NFL franchise is no longer worth the time and effort of ownership.

  20. endzonezombie says: Mar 16, 2011 3:23 PM

    “In recent days, owners as well as Goodell have said they would love to continue bargaining at the present time. Why won’t you continue bargaining?”

    For those of you who are not quite bright enough to comprehend the issues, the union can no longer represent itself in any negotiation. The NFLPA Executive Committe has been disbanded. Just by meeting with the league, the former NFLPA might jeopradize their decertification status. The owners would likely use the meetings as further evidence of a ‘sham’. The players are avoiding any situation that could be a legal trap.

  21. eagleswin says: Mar 16, 2011 3:26 PM

    poweredtoast says:
    Mar 16, 2011 2:37 PM
    Warner has just enough of an IQ to land a job as a bag boy at a grocery store when not playing QB in the NFL, so really, can’t be surprised he would say something as stupidly as the NFLPA having a better deal than the other pro sports. Seriously, the NFLPA has the weakest deal of any by far, with the average NFL player in 2009 making 1/3rd that of the average baseball player on the lowest paid MLB team – and don’t get started comparing to the NBA…

    Seriously Kurt, shut up unless you’re asking ‘paper or plastic’.

    ——————————
    The NFL Salary cap in 2009 (the last year there was a cap) was $128 million. Using the MLB 2010 team salary figures that gave 32 NFL teams the ability to pay out in salary more money than all but 5 MLB teams. Let me repeat that using team figures the 32 NFL franchises had the ability to OUTSPEND 25 of the 30 MLB franchises if they so chose.

    Let’s also look at Roster size. MLB Roster max is 25 while NFL roster max is 53. Assuming an MLB team and an NFL team spent the same amount of money on salary, the NFL team would have to split the money among twice as many players.

    Same money / more players = less per player.

    Baseball teams also play 162 games/yr. The NFL plays 1/10th the games, has twice the employees and spends just as much money on salaries as baseball.

    Here’s an idea you can :

    a) get the players to play more games so there’s more revenue and the players can make more $$
    b) get the teams to reduce roster sizes closer to baseball sizes so each player has a bigger share of the salary pie
    c) stop proving your ignorance by comparing football salaries to baseball salaries.

    Any combination of the above is acceptable.

  22. fngs1 says: Mar 16, 2011 3:29 PM

    poweredtoast says: Mar 16, 2011 2:37 PM

    Warner has just enough of an IQ to land a job as a bag boy at a grocery store when not playing QB in the NFL, so really, can’t be surprised he would say something as stupidly as the NFLPA having a better deal than the other pro sports. Seriously, the NFLPA has the weakest deal of any by far, with the average NFL player in 2009 making 1/3rd that of the average baseball player on the lowest paid MLB team – and don’t get started comparing to the NBA…

    Seriously Kurt, shut up unless you’re asking ‘paper or plastic’
    —————————————————–And how many players does a Basketball team carry?and how many more games do they play than the NFL? Baseball has at least double the players of Basketball does and also plays double the games. NFL teams carry double the number of players of what Baseball does , and plays 1/3 of the games what NBA does so do the math.

  23. poweredtoast says: Mar 16, 2011 3:29 PM

    Not too bright are you geeeeemen? If the players agree to representation for negotiations right now, the antitrust case will be thrown out and it will be at least 6 more months or longer before they can go to court again. The NFL asking them to negotiate right now is NOT because the NFL actually wants to, but a poor attempt to try and trap the players to stop litigation. And sadly, you would have fell for it…

  24. monkeesfan says: Mar 16, 2011 3:46 PM

    We needed Kurt Warner to say what was obvious when Kevin Mawae said it? powderedtoast is a fool – the salaries of MLB and the NBA are hideously inflated and need to be slashed.

    powderedtoast – what is wrong with stopping litigation? It was not supposed to get to this point to begin with.

  25. FoozieGrooler says: Mar 16, 2011 3:51 PM

    vomitingliberals says: Mar 16, 2011 3:20 PM

    “What did Dan Snyder ever do to make you think that he is greedy?”

    I think that pretty much speaks for itself…

  26. rcali says: Mar 16, 2011 3:52 PM

    Spoken like a man who took care of his money when he had the chance to make it.

    Is it true that a 3 year player receives a pension of $9,000 a month? How’s everybody else’s pension looking for your 30 years of work?

  27. wcman says: Mar 16, 2011 4:00 PM

    Wrong again poweredtoast. The players can negotiate through the Lawyers that now represent them in the lawsuits and it will not hurt their cases one iota. The league has also agreed to not pursue that angle in the suit as well. There is absolutely nothing stopping the players from negotiating with the owners other than the fact they don’t want to negotiate before seeing if they win the injunction forcing the owners to lift the lockout.

  28. CKL says: Mar 16, 2011 4:03 PM

    I find it amusing the amount of pro union people commenting on “unfamiliar names posting” that appear to be “shills of ownership” but yet we have people like this poweredtoast person and many others who seems to be the same thing for the union (people who haven’t been here before posting heavily one way) with no complaints. Personally I don’t care either way who is a shill or not but the hypocrisy is funny.

    Powerdtoast, your arguments have been taken apart by several intelligent people and with the math, logic, and writing skills ( “WOULD HAVE FELL”…REALLY???) you have shown here I find it amusing that you call Warner stupid.

  29. wcman says: Mar 16, 2011 4:08 PM

    Vomitingliberals,

    You can call Dan Snyder a lot of things, but greedy isn’t one of them. This is the guy who gave Albert Haynesworth a 100 million contract, 42 million guaranteed for the first 4 seasons, with most of it up front. Stupid? Possibly, but greedy? No. This is a big reason why the owners want a new agreement. There is so much money available to the players under the terms of the last CBA, that insane contracts like this are given out. You can fault the owners for this, and that would be true to a degree, but the fact is, the players get these deals because of supply and demand and the fact the money is ample in this league. The league can’t continue to function positively with the money being thrown into the player pool each year.

  30. Deb says: Mar 16, 2011 4:12 PM

    @geeeemen …

    I didn’t compare Kurt to Tiki in terms of their personal lives! Where did you get that from my post? This is business and has nothing to do with moral judgments on their private lives.

    I don’t appreciate some of the comments Kurt has made about other players since he’s been broadcasting. He seems to be one of those guys who goes the controversy route. And I thought he was pissy on DWTS. When it comes to the labor dispute, he’s as entitled to his opinion as I am. But I didn’t play alongside these guys. He should honor the fact that he was in the union with them and not do or say anything that would compromise their negotiations just because he now works for the league.

  31. 303bengalguy says: Mar 16, 2011 4:19 PM

    Players and owners both need to stop and realize that if they don’t consider US THE FANS, that this ship will eventually sink no matter how they slice it up.

    I haven’t bought a face value ticket to any pro sporting event in years… that’s for suckers at these prices. And if I can’t score a ticket to an event at a price I deem to be a good deal in my own estimations, you know what? The bar or my nice ass couch work just the same as those bleechers, and in most cases, better.

    The fact of the matter is, they BOTH are asking WAAAAAAY TOO MUCH OF THE FAN STILL and that needs to change.

    Owners aren’t bargaining on our behalf at all and this all makes me sick. Pretentious and ego-maniacal players AND owners need to lower their expectations of the common man.

  32. lasher1650 says: Mar 16, 2011 4:19 PM

    broncfanor wrote:
    They were given health care and a 16 game schedule in the last offer they walked away from so what’s the excuse now?
    _______________________________

    Please remove head from rectum – the owners opted out of the current CBA, not the players. In fact, the players would have been more than happy to maintain the status quo, it is the owners who are asking for a $1 billion giveback by the players.

  33. thefiesty1 says: Mar 16, 2011 4:29 PM

    They did have a good deal until De blew it.

  34. randolph32 says: Mar 16, 2011 4:35 PM

    Deb, I’d imagine you are one of the ONLY viewers of DWTS (you know what that means, not me) on this Website….He’s got no use for this Union, so why should he HONOR them?

    Please save me a bowl of whatever you’re smokin’, so then I can enjoy DWTS!

  35. wizgoblin says: Mar 16, 2011 5:16 PM

    is convinced everyone on here is who pro-players is a relative who wants their free rent check in the mail sooner than later.

  36. geniusesq says: Mar 16, 2011 5:18 PM

    The NFL has the best CBA for players???? Only major sport with non-guaranteed salaries and shortest careers? Way to sound stupid Kurt.

  37. mick730 says: Mar 16, 2011 5:24 PM

    Deb and the other union posters on here jump at the chance to trash a guy like Warner which just goes to prove that they care nothing about the players, nor the NFL and more likely than not, football, but are rather really into the labor movement in general. They simply want any kind of union victory; somewhere, someplace, some how. They don’t care where, but for unionists, it would be great if a victory could be had on a high profile case like the NFL, even though a “union” representing multi millionaires is sort of an oxymoron. Since labor represents less than 6.9% of the private sector workforce and is now primarily relegated to government employees and illegal aliens, they need something fast, especially after what is happening to them in Wisconsin, New Jersy, Indiana and Ohio.

    But it is what it is. And it has nothing to do with football or the players.

  38. thedudesnotin says: Mar 16, 2011 6:10 PM

    If more current players and retired players come out and diss the current regime, the new CBA will be signed real quick.

    And I have said before, and will again, it’s really a shame we aren’t all talking football, but instead the business model of sports.

    It’s the end of the innocence.

  39. Deb says: Mar 16, 2011 7:30 PM

    @mick730 …

    I’ve been posting on this site daily for two years, as the writers and any of the regular commenters can attest, so your efforts to paint me as a union plant–or as someone who doesn’t know her football–are wasted. I only make those comments about people I’ve already verified have registered since the union decertified.

    You are entitled to your political views. But just because people don’t share them doesn’t mean they don’t love God, their country, or NFL football just as much as you do. People whose only response is “You don’t love football!” fall back on that because they don’t know enough about the issues to make an adult argument.

    You may spend the rest of your life trusting in Big Business–such as the NFL’s billionaire owners–Big Banks, and Wall Street to trickle the love down to you, but I don’t share your belief in their magnanimity. I’m afraid you won’t be happy with the only kind of trickling those people do once they’ve sucked the rest of us dry.

    Just as the banks didn’t use their unsecured bailouts to stimulate the economy, the owners will not use any savings they achieve as a result of these negotiations to cut back on ticket, concession, or PSL prices. They’ll continue to gouge fans as the market allows–and fans will continue to take it. If you choose to be on their side, that is up to you. But I come from a middle-class working family and prefer to cast my lot with labor. And I’m entitled to my opinion.

  40. 6thsense79 says: Mar 16, 2011 7:45 PM

    vomitingliberals says:
    Mar 16, 2011 3:07 PM
    Warner didn’t say near enough! He knows well and good that the players have been robbing teams blind since the last CBA. Player salaries have risen 15% each year since 2006 and if the players had it their way, there would be no end in sight! Modern day players and the lemmings who worship them want players retiring richer and owners & their franchises becoming poorer than ever before. Keep it up and you will live to see the NFL go belly up. Yeah. the league continues to make more money each year, but more and more of it is going to the players. 60 cents on the dollar right now to be exact. 4% annual growth cannot sustain 15% hikes in salary for very long.

    ————————————————-
    Look if you don’t like the player’s salaries or think they’re greedy fine….but please try to be honest when you use financial data.

    First off the players don’t get 60 cents on the dollar they get 53 cents on the dollar (at least for 2010 that number changes depending on total revenue)…Total revenue is $9 billion. $1 billion of that goes to the owners before the players get 60% of the $8 billion.

    You also seem shocked that player salary has increased by 15% every year. I’ll just assume that the 15% number you’re qouting is correct.
    If that’s the case then the amount of revenue the owners collect has also gone up significantly since players’ salary and owner revenue is tied to total league revenue. It’s simple really. Let’s say total revenue for last year is
    $9 billion and this year it rises 15% to $10.35.
    Last year’s player salary = $ (9billion-1billion) * .6 or about $4.8 billion….this year’s player’s salary would be $(10.35billion-1billion) *.6 or about $5.61billion. Meanwhile the owners revenue received will also increase from $4.2billion to $4.74billion

    Now I don’t know what that 4% growth that you qouted is pegged to but there’s no way it can be revenue for all the reasons I described above. If that 4% growth is tied to 1 team’s profit (revenue – expense) then you have to ask what exactly are the owners spending their 15% year to year revenue growth on.

  41. Deb says: Mar 16, 2011 7:45 PM

    @randolph32 …

    Since I was a child, I’ve love love loved football. And not just any football. I popped from the womb into a Crimson Tide family and soon adopted the Pittsburgh Steelers. So I adore smashmouth football. A perfect score to me is 10-7. A well-executed defense makes my heart go pitter-patter.

    But I’m also a girly girl who enjoys pedicures, shopping, and Dancing With the Stars. And I’m just as entitled to criticize Kurt Warner as he is to criticize whomever he chooses.

  42. jerseydevil856 says: Mar 16, 2011 9:52 PM

    @ Deb…

    Did you just use “smashmouth football” and “pitter-patter” in the same sentence? And yes that is a friendly jab. Deb, while pro-player, is obviously not clueless…she’s showing that in her posts. And while I don’t share the same enthusiasm for the player’s side, I do have to respect her conviction.

  43. freedomispopular says: Mar 16, 2011 10:34 PM

    All rich people are greedy. That’s what Obama says, so it must be right.

  44. backuppunter says: Mar 16, 2011 11:59 PM

    There will be a deal. There will be a deal. There will be a deal. Richard Simmons would be a great linebacker. NO PADS!
    TRUTH TRUTH

    WAKE Up AMERICA. WAKE UP! I LIKE TO RANT AND TYPE IN CAPS> I AM A GENIUS. IF micheal moore, bill o’reilly, glenn beck, and kieth olbermen could all combine there incredible intellect it might equal my genius. that is why i post on PFT so everyone can learn from me.

    your so welcome.

  45. sigmanuob163 says: Mar 17, 2011 9:05 AM

    Healthcare in the state of Tennessee is a 30 billion dollar industry. Since Im a health care provider should I only have to work a couple years in my lifetime and be taken care of forever? I knew the risks (litigation, time away from my family) when I went into the profession. If I didnt like what I was getting paid I know that I can always change professions. My “bosses” can always hire someone else if they feel that Im not qualified enough or if they think they can get adequate enough care for a lower cost. Thats capitalism folks. There are other options.

  46. Deb says: Mar 17, 2011 2:19 PM

    @jerseydevil856 …

    Just saw your comment about smashmouth and pitter-patter … very good!! :)

    Thank you for the kind words. I feel the same about you. If only we could get the owners and players to show the same civility!

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