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Vrabel wants to negotiate directly with owners, only

Mike Vrabel, Jeff Saturday

ESPN conducted a group interview of five members of the NFLPA* Executive Committee, and several of them dropped some fairly interesting nuggets of information.

Our eyebrows raised the highest when Chiefs linebacker Mike Vrabel said that the players are willing to negotiate, but that they don’t want to negotiate with outside counsel Bob Batterman, in-house counsel Jeff Pash, or Commissioner Roger Goodell.  “Our Executive Commitee needs to negotiate with Jerry Jones, Bob Kraft, Jerry Richardson, their Executive Committee,” Vrabel said.  “People that are willing and can agree to a deal.  Jeff Pash can’t agree to a deal.”

Saints quarterback Drew Brees commented on the possibility that incoming rookies may not attend the draft.  Though Brees said nothing about a boycott, his feelings became clear.

“Each rookie has, if they’ve been invited to New York, they absolutely have the option of going to New York.  I think to our point it was, ‘How do you feel about walking across the stage and shaking the hand of the Commissioner who just locked you out?'” Brees said.  “And as great an experience as it is to get drafted, which it absolutely is, I think the even greater experience is to play your first game and to have the opportunity to win a championship, and right now that’s being threatened with this lockout.”

Ravens cornerback Domonique Foxworth and Vrabel seemed to indicate — strongly — that the players will not agree to 18 games, a topic that the league is willing to place on the back burner.

And Foxworth’s comments on the upcoming hearing in the antitrust lawsuit filed by Brees and nine other players hints at the hubris that some may have regarding the chances of winning an order lifting the lockout while the litigation proceeds.

“We’re confident that this injunction is going to be granted,” Foxworth said, “and I think the message to the fans is all the fans should unite and root for this at this point.  You don’t have a team to root for at this point.  You want to root for your team when the season comes?  You need to be outside the courthouse with your face painted, cheering for the judge to grant this injunction.  Because I think, simply put, if we are granted this injunction, there will be football.”

But it’s not that simple.  If Judge Susan Nelson grants the injunction, the NFL will appeal the decision to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit, and the outcome of the appeal will be a crapshoot since the parties won’t know who the judges will be until they show up for the oral arguments.

Also, while the principle of antitrust law relevant to 32 separate businesses locking out a non-union workforce seems clear, the league aggressively will argue that the players can’t show a likelihood of winning the case due to the significant uncertainty as to whether the players will beat back the “sham” defense to the decision to shut down the union and sue.  For now, the league doesn’t have to show that the “sham” defense is available and that they will prevail; the players must show that, on all issues, that they are likely to win an injunction later in order to get an injunction while the case is pending.  With David Boies, one of the best lawyers in the country, making the argument against the union’s position, the only thing anyone should be confident about is that there’s no way of knowing how it will all turn out.

So get back to the table.  And if the union wants Goodell, Pash, and Batterman out of the room, leave them out of the room.  We’re in favor of whatever it takes to get a deal done, and we’re hoping that this collection of players and owners who collectively seem to be intoxicated by money they’ve already earned and/or money they will earn in the future and/or testosterone coursing through their veins today come to their senses and behave like the stewards of the game that they are supposed to be.

“At the end of the day, we want to play football,” Broncos safety Brian Dawkins said.  “We want to be on the football field.  Guys want to be in minicamps, because we have a good time doing the things that we love to do for a living.  This is not just jobs that we do.  We love — we’re fans of the game as well.”

If they’re truly fans of the game, they they should be pushing aggressively for negotiations to continue.  Because that’s the only thing the fans care about right now.

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  1. hobartbaker says: Mar 18, 2011 6:25 PM

    If the owner of the franchise inherited it, or inherited their wealth, Vrabel wants to talk to the founder. Not some wimpy silver spoon fed offspring.

    Don’ make excuses, dig up the dead, cause MIKE ****ING VRABEL is in the house!

  2. waccoforflacco says: Mar 18, 2011 6:25 PM

    I think DEE Maurice Smith should be out of DEE room too. He’s a stupid jacka$$.

  3. brasho says: Mar 18, 2011 6:29 PM

    ‘How do you feel about walking across the stage and shaking the hand of the Commissioner who just locked you out?’” Brees said
    ___________________

    Better yet, how do they feel about being advised not to attend the draft when it was the NFLPA that proposed a significant paycut for the 1st round rookies,,,

    Wbich is pretty much saying to them, “Support us and don’t show up… oh, and by the way, we just negotiated you guys a serious paycut. You’re welcome!”

  4. shrimpdd says: Mar 18, 2011 6:29 PM

    Totally agree. Give the players what they want and lock out the Commish and his people.

    However, the players don’t get to bring in DeMaurice Smith either.

    Players. Owners. No one else.

    I wonder who’ll end up with the upper hand?

  5. dirtdawg55 says: Mar 18, 2011 6:32 PM

    So the players will leave DeMaurice Smith and their passel of lawyers out of the room too? Right?

  6. jimr10 says: Mar 18, 2011 6:34 PM

    At the end of the day, we want to play football,” Broncos safety Brian Dawkins said. “We want to be on the football field.
    then get d. smith out of there.

  7. bayouboy2 says: Mar 18, 2011 6:39 PM

    Yeah, it’s real easy for you Brees to say that they shouldn’t attend the draft. After all, you have already made that trip across the stage. And once you miss it, it is gone forever. These incoming rookies will regret NOT attending the draft for the rewst of their lives. It is a once in a life time opportunity not only for them, but for their families as well. A classy move would be to tell them to go ahead and attend the draft. What could it hurt? Call it a show of good will towards the owners and the league. Just because you ahve your millions doesn’t mean you have to be a jerk.

  8. jeff061 says: Mar 18, 2011 6:43 PM

    God…it amazes me how stupid these players are. Really? So maybe the League should say – we only want to neogotiate with Offensive Lineman?!

    Come on – get on with it.

  9. bluepike says: Mar 18, 2011 6:44 PM

    David Boies is an absolute monster of an attorney. These guys are taking a very big chance going up against this guy. If their smart, they’ll find labor peace before April 6. It can be done.

  10. shanahanigans says: Mar 18, 2011 6:44 PM

    I bet the owners wish they could negotiate with just the players and not De Smith… Players don’t want to negotiate with the commissioner of the league that feeds them…sounds ridiculous… Maybe leave out all the lawyers…but the commish?

  11. mike83ri says: Mar 18, 2011 6:45 PM

    “Ravens cornerback Domonique Foxworth and Vrabel seemed to indicate — strongly — that the players will not agree to 18 games, a topic that the league is willing to place on the back burner.”

    Let’s take a page from the player’s playbook on this one.

    During the last CBA, you gave the NFL the permission to increase the season to 18 games, without ANY additional compensation to players, and without decreasing games. If the terms have changed and you want the new CBA to exclude that right, they’re going to NEED to see 10 years of audited medical records for every injured player from when the league went from 14 games to 16 games in order to verify your claim. Sure, it sounds obvious, but these negotiations aren’t going anywhere until you open the books. We can’t just give you the benefit of the doubt. Why don’t you share it? You have something to hide?

  12. vmannj says: Mar 18, 2011 6:45 PM

    I think this is the first time I’ve heard a player say that they want a deal. After all the other crap I’ve heard over the past two weeks, I’m not sure I believe it. But at least someone is saying it. And here’s another example of the players not getting the full story: Drew Brees, “How do you feel about walking across the stage and shaking the hand of the Commissioner that just locked you out?” Newsflash, Drew. YOU walked away from the negotiations. YOUR union “decertified”. YOU personally sued the NFL. But somehow it’s all the Commissioner’s fault? Let’s hear your twisted form of logic on that one.

  13. rugdog100 says: Mar 18, 2011 6:46 PM

    DeMaurice Smith should also be on the outside, because he “digs” the game so much.

  14. moggy6actual says: Mar 18, 2011 6:46 PM

    I wish they could reach a deal.

    I’m on the players side for issues such as the 18-game season, health and safety, retired players, medical coverage and arbitration of disciplinary matters, but on the owner’s side when it comes to percentage of revenue to be disbursed to players.

    With all of that said, a big part of me wants the owners to say “Too bad players, the time for negotiating was when you were actually at the table. You guys want litigation, we’ll give you litigation.”

  15. chatham10 says: Mar 18, 2011 6:47 PM

    Great idea, just the players and the owners, where do I place my bet on who wins? Mr. Kraft had the right idea at the start when he said “leave the lawyers out and just let the business people meet, now which active players have a degree in business? Maybe Brees because he has been doing the most talking.

  16. mark0226 says: Mar 18, 2011 6:50 PM

    If they insist on owners only, then the owners should insist on players only. That excludes Kevin Mawae and DeSmith.

  17. dolphan343 says: Mar 18, 2011 6:50 PM

    Why do these players profess to only have our interests in mind. They are our champions? LMAO. I love how they say they just want to play, walk out on negotiations, dispute everything the league says and then say the fans just dont understand. You guys can’t say you are on our side with one breath and then say we are ignorant in the next. Both sides only have their own best interests at heart and are screwing over the fan. We are not ignorant of this so shut up and get the freaking CBA written and signed DAMMIT!

  18. smacklayer says: Mar 18, 2011 6:50 PM

    HAHAHA – I’d love to see the players negotiate directly with the owners – they get taken to school and them some! Dumb jocks negotiating high level complex business dealings with HIGHLY sucessful and smart business owners – yeah good luck with that.

    Again, more stupidity from the players. Just shut up while there are still a few people on your side.

  19. drslipdadic2me says: Mar 18, 2011 6:52 PM

    First
    @ Vrabel – Thank god somebody has a brain in that group

    @ Brees – So, you acknowledge the owners locked you out. What you don’t acknowledge is that YOU decertified & YOU walked away from the negotiating table. And let me assure YOU, as a player fans of all teams WELL RESPECTED for what you did both on & off the field, we ALL think your Douche #2 behind Douche #1, D Bag Smith. If not 2, your atleast tied with Chester Pitts. But I give Pitts #3 just because he is completely ignorant.

    @ Foxworth – Please don’t try to get the fans on your side to agree with you. WE DON’T. We understand the why initially & agree that you should stand up for yourselves & do what is right. On the same note, you need to understand that we don’t care about the fact that you may initially lose a lil coin yet gain more in the future + have better health care & better retirement.
    If I did show up to the courthouse, I would have my face painted, as a sad mime. My sign would say: “To All Involved….. GO THE **** BACK TO WORK. IN A TIME OF WAR & POVERTY IN THE REAL WORLD, YOU BUMS ARE ALL HAGGLING OVER WHO SHOULD GET 1 OF 9 BILLION (and increasing annually)…. HONKIES, PLEASE”

  20. FoozieGrooler says: Mar 18, 2011 6:53 PM

    “Our Executive Commitee needs to negotiate with Jerry Jones, Bob Kraft, Jerry Richardson,”

    ..in which case you’d pretty much deserve whatever you got.

  21. FoozieGrooler says: Mar 18, 2011 6:55 PM

    Maybe Vrable wants to negotiate firing Goodell, go for it…

  22. meatball13 says: Mar 18, 2011 6:55 PM

    Somebody tell Drewche Brees that the unions decertification led to the lock-out he is speaking of.

  23. saints25 says: Mar 18, 2011 6:55 PM

    Thanks Drew,you walked out of the meetings?An all you players said you thought the owners would lock you players out…why do yal’ll keep reating this crap? Quit talking to DEE, an do what you say the players want to do.Get a deal done.

  24. goldsteel says: Mar 18, 2011 6:57 PM

    Yes, keep Goodell, Pash and Batterman out of the room. Oh, and don’t forget D. Smith. This should be between the only two parties that count, the owners and the players. Everyone else is just a distraction from constructive efforts.

  25. prmpft says: Mar 18, 2011 6:58 PM

    …actually Drew – (and i am a SAINTS fan) – the lockout was caused by blind loyalty to a union that attempts to rape owners in your stead – the fact is, no owners=no players – so shut up and play the GAME – or get a real job like the rest of us – and THEN worry only about doing you JOB the best you can in order to keep that job!!!

  26. Rhode Island Patriots Fan says: Mar 18, 2011 7:01 PM

    As someone who has been far more sympathetic to the owners’ position throughout this labor dispute, I honestly think Vrabel’s suggestion has merit. And I’m not saying that because he’s a former Patriot. My guess is that the players genuinely feel disrespected, in part at least because they may have wanted, among other things, more face time with the owners. They’re entitled to it.

    As much as I hate to agree with Domonique Foxworth, I do think it’s likely that U.S. District Court Judge Susan Richard Nelson will grant the players’ request for preliminary injunctive relief.

  27. j0esixpack says: Mar 18, 2011 7:01 PM

    Vrabel would get it done.

    Make it so.

  28. bleedsoe9mm says: Mar 18, 2011 7:02 PM

    get the 2 Executive Committees together and get this thing done!!!!

  29. getweird4u says: Mar 18, 2011 7:13 PM

    I LIKE MUSTARD ON MY BISCUITS….

  30. jamoe17 says: Mar 18, 2011 7:13 PM

    It appears the more Brees talks…the more nobody listens. And he’s supposed to be one of the smart ones.

  31. Al Davis says: Mar 18, 2011 7:13 PM

    Deeee Smith needs to be replaced by someone who likes to watch football, you know like a random fan. Maybe one of the guys that Miller High Life was sponsoring

  32. garyman1 says: Mar 18, 2011 7:16 PM

    I’m sure the owners would agree to that IF the players didn’t have their lawyers in there either.

  33. mick730 says: Mar 18, 2011 7:17 PM

    Vrabel’s logic is severely lacking. Maybe Pash and the other lawyer for the owners don’t have the authority to make a deal on the spot, but neither do Vrabel and his buddies. Don’t think for a minute that they wouldn’t have to run any proposal by the owners by De Dig It and their lawyers, to say nothing of having to put it to a vote of their membership.

    So who’s kidding whom here?

  34. sanjosecupcrazy says: Mar 18, 2011 7:20 PM

    I love Drew Brees and never thought I would have a reason to look at him cross-eyed, but strong-arming some college kid and taking his big moment away because you couldn’t agree to terms with the owners is ridiculous and stupid.

    “I think the even greater experience is to play your first game and to have the opportunity to win a championship, and right now that’s being threatened with this lockout.”

    REALLY DREW? That’d be great. Why don’t you and the rest of your friends who are making millions of dollars come back to the negotiating table and get a deal done then. Don’t put it on some kid’s shoulders. That’s crap.

  35. camp69 says: Mar 18, 2011 7:23 PM

    I agree, the players and the owners should get back to the table. However, if the owners show up without their audited books, the players should get up and walk out!

  36. kingjoe1 says: Mar 18, 2011 7:30 PM

    I think that would be pay per view worthy. Owners and Players only in a boardroom discussing a new deal. No outside help. 5 owners, 5 players, no timeouts, no cell phones and no dictionary’s.

    Let’s see who comes out on top. Mmmm who would win, who would win; the owners who have amassed billions of dollars from business dealings or the players whose biceps, triceps and hamstrings have given them a chance to run faster, hit harder and generally beat other players to a pulp.
    Vrabel understands this is not psych 202, this is the real world with real people who have learned and earned their money the old fashion way.

  37. realfann says: Mar 18, 2011 7:30 PM

    Why are my comments been deleted, is it because I write in support of the players?

  38. bing253 says: Mar 18, 2011 7:40 PM

    So players who don’t even negotiate their own contracts with the teams they play for think they can negotiate a multi billion dollar deal for the league?

  39. FoozieGrooler says: Mar 18, 2011 7:41 PM

    realfann says: Mar 18, 2011 7:30 PM

    “Why are my comments been deleted, is it because I write in support of the players?”

    Probably.

  40. redgreen3b1 says: Mar 18, 2011 7:51 PM

    i don’t know how pft can say u have stayed neutral n all this. Every post I read, u r on the players ass. Never, not effing once. Have u been on the ass of the owners. Now on the jocks of the owners. U have been.

  41. phinfan says: Mar 18, 2011 7:52 PM

    Good luck Stephen Ross is busy playing golf, and Paul Allen is too busy buying Antique Russian Migs for his classic Airport Musuem. (ugh)

  42. commandercornpone says: Mar 18, 2011 7:55 PM

    i agree with vrabel. the union, uh, former union leadership are jacka$$es. owners’ lawyers arent that far behind.

    at work i like to deal with the topmost guy. intermediaries who really dont have any more pay, accomplishments, or knowledge than me are just posturing anyway, and hiding info from me.

  43. philsimmsisadouche says: Mar 18, 2011 8:00 PM

    A-F%^&KING-MEN. Players negotiate directly with owners. Get the lawyers and commisioners/executive directors out. They can confer with their respective employers (owners or players) after the meetings and advise them accordingly.

  44. eustus says: Mar 18, 2011 8:15 PM

    The owners aren’t going to negotiate without Goodell and Pash. If they do, they might as well go ahead and fire the two of them (which, I’m sure is part of Vrabel’s strategy for suggesting it).

  45. johnnyoclock says: Mar 18, 2011 8:15 PM

    “Each rookie has, if they’ve been invited to New York, they absolutely have the option of going to New York. I think to our point it was, ‘How do you feel about walking across the stage and shaking the hand of the Commissioner who just locked you out?’” Brees said.

    Prince Drew of New Orleans is getting way to drunk on his own social standing. Social standing brings power, and power corrupts. He could be Mayor of that town if he wanted, and then Governor if he wanted. That’s never a good thing. He’s getting way too abusive in his phony victimization, and now bullying. Unchecked social power does that to everyone.

    What the statement should be is this: “How do you feel about Drew Brees insisting you’re not allowed to be your own individual, and instead be a TOOL for Prince Brees bc he wants you to spit in the face of the guy he is mad at. You’re not allowed to have that great moment for your family because your only duty is to serve what Brees wants”.

    Maybe Adrian Peterson was right after all, he just got he sides mixed up.

  46. hobartbaker says: Mar 18, 2011 8:21 PM

    Vrabel has no credibility in this matter. Look at how close his eyes are together. He should worry about fixiing that first.

  47. touchdownroddywhite says: Mar 18, 2011 8:24 PM

    Take the top 5 from each group. Lock them away from now until the court hearing. Give the 5 men from each side the right to approve any deal.

    Foxworth, Brees, Vrabel, Feely, and Brady talking to Kraft, Kroenke, Jones, Richardson, and Rooney.

    I bet you’d have a deal within 72 hours.

  48. palinforpresidentofnorthkorea says: Mar 18, 2011 8:37 PM

    NFLPA* can’t authorize anyone to do anything for the players because they “shammy-fied” the union as the authorized entity.

    NFLPA* has to wait until they un-shammy-fy.

    Owners could wait until next season and go with replacement players this year. Watch the NFLPA* members jump ship!

  49. thefiesty1 says: Mar 18, 2011 8:55 PM

    Then shut up and move on Dawkins. Appears the players association is falling apart.

    Gravel doesn’t want to negotiate with JJ, Richardson and those owners. They need to deal with Rooney, Kraft, et al.

    Idiot players dealing with idiot owners will accomplish nothing. Get with the strong owners. Where is Lamar Hunt when you need him?

  50. realfann says: Mar 18, 2011 8:57 PM

    Seems odd.

    All I did was say that the best lever the players have to get the actual owners to negotiate is to get an injunction.

    Either that or to get Doty to assess punitive damages against the owners for cheating on the TV deals.

    Without either or both of them the owners will continue to prevaricate knowing time is on their side.

    Vrabel understands this.

  51. realfann says: Mar 18, 2011 9:01 PM

    The anti-player comments seem to be getting sillier and sillier.

    I wonder if this “stuffing the blogs” tactic will blow up in the owner’s faces.

    My local blogs still contain mostly sensible comments with 90% favorable to the players.

  52. 90ragtop says: Mar 18, 2011 9:04 PM

    “You need to be outside the courthouse with your face painted, cheering for the judge to grant this injunction.”

    ************

    Foxworth. Dude. Put the crack pipe down and back away from the microphone.

  53. chapnastier says: Mar 18, 2011 9:09 PM

    I suggest watching the interview if you haven’t. These guys are so clueless it is laughable. Every university they attended should sue for defamation. I cannot believe that these guys can really think fans are dumb enough to be on their side. “Paint your face like the judge and show up outside the courtroom”, reall Foxworth? We have our TEAMS,the TEAMS have no players. We don’t need you guys. What a pansy country we live in. If someone doesn’t get their own way they go right to court instead of discussing the situation like grown men.

    @ realfan

    Your blogs are full of uneducated casual football fans who can’t understand that the owners laid out an offer to be negotiated on that gave in to nearly all player demands including 5 years of finances which is way more than they are entitled to. I am sorry that you are new to this blog where most people are smart enough to understand that.

  54. dolphinatic says: Mar 18, 2011 9:13 PM

    lol another schill board.. lol 10-1 pro owner again. Funny how all the thumbs are almost exactly the same. I for one am not fooled by someone(s) with multiple accounts in the owners corner. Been here since the start and have NEVER seen it so bad.

  55. FinFan68 says: Mar 18, 2011 9:27 PM

    Could somebody please tell these morons that the players walked out before they were locked out. There was an offer that could have been negotiated but they ran out the door to file the law suits they had been preparing for weeks, if not months.

    @dolphinatic: Could it possibly be that the players are wrong? Maybe, just maybe, it is 10-1 pro owner because objective fans of the game could see that the players did not negotiate after a “fair” concession was placed on the table. Most of these fans can’t stand Goodell but yet they are “siding” with him. That is called rational thought processes leading to an obvious conclusion. The union supporters simply chant “open the books” and think that holds water. There have been some good points made by the folks supporting the players but that does not change the fact that the players walked away, not the owners.

  56. burntorangehorn says: Mar 18, 2011 9:27 PM

    Owners negotiating with the players would be interesting. It’d be too many moving parts for anything to get done, but it’d be more productive than anything that’ll happen with DeMo and his counterparts in the picture.

  57. Kave Krew says: Mar 18, 2011 9:42 PM

    Hey, if Vrabel says this will work, then it will work….he’s a no nonsense guy.

    I say give it a shot Commish and De…..let’s see what makes the real ‘players’ this ‘game’ tick.

    I bet we have football within 2 days.

  58. usedtool says: Mar 18, 2011 10:31 PM

    Interesting. Click on a thumb that would favor the owners and the number goes up by 5-8 while the players “thumb” remains the same. Click on the players “thumb” and it goes up one BUT the owners side goes up 2-4.

    Makes a guy go, “Hmmmmmmm?” and wonder about the honesty of this entire site.

    I mean the owners side goes up EVERY time the players side is “thumbed”? You’d think at least once it wouldn’t. But EVERY TIME?

  59. duanethomas says: Mar 18, 2011 10:31 PM

    @Realfan. This Blog is clearly slanting its stories to one side & its obvious why. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you, so blame the players. The owners lost their Lockout Insurance case and the players will get that injunction on the 6th. The players who are smart, educated and are on top of things will stay together. The spendthrifts and uneducated players will whine and fall for anything the league puts out. Don’t worry about the comments on here, because they have no sway on what the union and players are going to do. If you want to communicate with the players they will be on UStream tomorrow, and there will not be one negative comment..not one. APRIL 6TH can’t get here soon enough, because the ignorance spewed on here would be sad if it wasn’t so laughable.
    If you agree with me..thumbs down. If you love the players…thumbs up.

  60. rcali says: Mar 18, 2011 10:39 PM

    “At the end of the day, we want to play football.” -Broncos safety Brian Dawkins.

    Don’t agree with Dawkins. At the end of the day they want a lot more then they feel they are getting. Nice try though.

  61. mick730 says: Mar 18, 2011 10:46 PM

    Please, as somebody else posted, these players can’t even negotiate their own individual contracts, why would anybody think this group could negotiate something as complex as a CBA?

    And besides, Vrabel nor any of the others are serous about this. The plan all along has been to go the litigation route, claim ant-trust violations, force a devastating deal on the owners and collect triple damages to boot.

    The NFLPA doesn’t give a rat’s behind about “the game”. These are some of the greediest people alive, and if they get their way, they will destroy the NFL.

  62. randymossblewit says: Mar 18, 2011 10:58 PM

    Drew Brees is an idiot.

  63. djstat says: Mar 18, 2011 11:08 PM

    Why are so many people on the players side about health insurance? When you leave a job/get fired/retire etc, most companies give you access to COBRA and then you are on your own. These players are no different and the owners should not have to fund healthcare for life of these players? Its a violent game. Players no that and accept that when they sign a contract for a minimum of $300K per year. Live life liek the rest of the country. BTW, Drew Brees is really the most pathetic excuse of a leader there is. Its easy for him to talk a big game, he is in year 6 of a 6 year $60 million contract.

  64. goforthanddie says: Mar 18, 2011 11:31 PM

    It’s tarded to even suggest this can be done w/o a passel of lawyers on both sides. But yeah, Goodell needs to stay out of it, the owners need to be in the room, and the books need to be open.

  65. dolphinatic says: Mar 18, 2011 11:52 PM

    @FinFan68 I couldn’t disagree with you more. They were legal business partners. Fact. If you understood the legality of that I would go on, but you clearly do not.. Lockout insurance = epic loss for owners in court, thats a fact too. Other than that go phins!!

  66. dolphinatic says: Mar 18, 2011 11:55 PM

    Oh and it’s not the fans..its the nfl/nbc folks pushing the#’s for their side. This is the only place I see these #’s so skewed, thus I have to factor in the source of the info ,unlike others here.

  67. bassethund says: Mar 19, 2011 1:10 AM

    Rather see a work stoppage than see the greedy a$$ players win at this point.

  68. mshinson says: Mar 19, 2011 2:19 AM

    Has anyone insulted Jerry Richardson yet, based on that one article about him being rude to a pampered athlete that had no business being in the discussions? I feel this is obligatory now, to lump him in with idiots like Snyder and JJ, since you know, there was that ONE time he did something negative that was reported on. Don’t mind him being the only former player who owns a team now, with league wide respect. The same guy that the owners (The legendary Kraft and Rooney included -gasp- ) chose to be their voice. Anyways, he’s an idiot and this is mainly his fault, Panthers fault too, because they have never been good. Jesus Christ, these fans that comment are worse than Colin Cowherd.

  69. fedupsaintsfan says: Mar 19, 2011 8:06 AM

    Don’t forget to take care of the bench warmers in all of this!!!

  70. trimgod69 says: Mar 19, 2011 8:41 AM

    i thought the NFLPA didn’t exist anymore?

  71. PFTiswhatitis says: Mar 19, 2011 8:46 AM

    Message to Foxworth – No we are not supporting your fight of the lockout. Its about more than that for us fans. Be reasonable, Get a deal done then we will support our teams and our players again. Until then, you need to understand we dont care about you.

  72. eagleswin says: Mar 19, 2011 9:29 AM

    realfann says:
    Mar 18, 2011 9:01 PM
    The anti-player comments seem to be getting sillier and sillier.

    I wonder if this “stuffing the blogs” tactic will blow up in the owner’s faces.

    My local blogs still contain mostly sensible comments with 90% favorable to the players.

    ————————-

    Then why don’t you go post and read in your local blogs instead of mocking people who think differently than you?

    Noone cares what your local blogs say. We don’t know what blogs they are, nor do we care to go verify or dispute your claims.

    It is a comment just meant to incite.

  73. CKL says: Mar 19, 2011 10:54 AM

    djstat says: Mar 18, 2011 11:08 PM

    Why are so many people on the players side about health insurance? When you leave a job/get fired/retire etc, most companies give you access to COBRA and then you are on your own. These players are no different and the owners should not have to fund healthcare for life of these players? Its a violent game. Players no that and accept that when they sign a contract for a minimum of $300K per year. Live life liek the rest of the country
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    I’ll tell you why believe that players should have lifetime heavily subsidized insurance under a policy provided by the NFL (and maybe the NFLPA jointly if it exists again)…their profession is the source of preexisting conditions and it’s not fair that because their job is the source of that that they should have to pay higher rates or not find coverage at all. Anyone who has experience with insurance and preexisting conditions will tell you…it’s onerous.
    IMO this issue isn’t one of how much money they made, it’s an issue of fairness.

  74. Kave Krew says: Mar 19, 2011 12:03 PM

    I am just dumbfounded by the conspiracy theorists out there saying that the NFL owners are “stuffing” the blogs…….if that were so, then the NFLPA would do the same.

    Most fans don’t need a writer, a blogger or a poster telling us what to think or write.

  75. realfann says: Mar 19, 2011 8:09 PM

    I’ve been reading this blog for years and it’s very clear to me that most of the current set of anti-player commentators are a part of a planned tactic.

    That’s because this blog sticks out like a sore thumb. Virtually every other sports blog in the country has the majority of fans in support of the players. This one does not.

    Secondly the vast majority of the anti-player comments here contain zero mention of team affiliation, football appreciation, or any other key markers of football fans. In other words, these are not football fans writing. In this stream several do not even know who Mike Vrabel is.

    Thirdly, they are nearly all newly created id’s. Maybe they just recently switched their names like I did but I find that very surprising. So surprising that I don’t believe it.

    Mr F.l.o.r.i.o should check this out because he does run the risk of alienating his long term fan base that clearly are deserting the board while these temporary “fans” take over.

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