It has been a nice little Sunday. I could use another one

Like I said before, chap, I will not watch scabs. I don’t care what uniform they wear. No en mi casa. As many posts as we’ve exchanged, you of all people, should know I’m deadly serious.

Besides … you think you want to watch replacement players because you don’t know any better. From a moral perspective, I didn’t know better in the 1980s, but quickly tuned out anyway because they were horrible. Ugh! The game is much faster and more complex now, and the athletes who play it are considerably more skilled. Don’t think you’ll be too happy with the product if the owners opt for scabs again. Uh-huh … have fun with that Meanwhile, I’ll still have my principles plus the NCAA on Saturdays and old Steelers videos on Sundays. But I don’t think it will come to that.

And who cares about the PR battle? A lot of pro-owner commenters suddenly registered here within 48 hours of decertification. Yeah, they may have swayed some opinions. And some may have been pro-owner anyway. But what are people going to do if they get angry at the players? Cancel their season tickets? Stop buying merchandise? Whether they like it or not, the owners’ fates are tied to their players’ fates. And that’s not going to change.

If you don’t want to pay…

$8 beer
$6 Hotdogs
$5 Bags of peanuts
$300 Direct TV: MONOPOLY
Over priced merchandise
PSL’s

Then don’t allow the players to keep robbing their respective franchises blind! These costs are necessary to continue funding player salaries! The owners have no choice but to pass the cost of doing business to you the paying customer. Economics 101 people, wake up!

“To me its soo funny how they project the revenue increases. those are OUR hard working dollars they are fighting about. and yet we have no voice….”

Actually we have more of a voice than either of the children in this fight. They wouldn’t exist without us.

If we stopped giving them our money, as in completely and immediately, I can think of no better way of getting their attention.

Good afternoon, I apologize for the dealy in responding, its been a nice little Sunday.

Anyways, the owners have no legal obligation to show any portion of their books so the fact that they are willing to show some portions, over 5 years, to a third party says a lot. The fact that the players can’t or won’t accept that or any variation of it says it all.

The players are losing this PR battle. Like I said before, if there are no NFLPA players ever again and there are scabs, you will still pull for joe schmo if he is the QB of the Steelers.

They did not show the players five years’ worth of their financials. They were prepared to show them five years’ worth of partial sections of their financials after those sections had been audited by a third party. It’s not nice to keep changing the facts to suit your narrative.

“Seems everything with the players comes down to “show me the books”. …In the spirit of true transparency, WHY ARE THEY NOT REVEALING THEIR OWN BOOKS?”

Because the owners pay them, and already know how much they make?

Duh.

There is nothing wrong with wanted to negotiate a new CBA when one expires it happens all the time. The owners wanted to negotiate a new CBA is not a reason for the union to decertify and file an anti-trust lawsuit.

Again with the blind “open the books” rhetoric. Tell us why you need more information than what was given. Tell us why it can’t be an independent auditor. Tell us why 5 years isn’t enough and then maybe you will get more information. If you can’t articulate the reasons necessary for your mantra, then you should not expect people to blindly capitulate to your demands. Also, maybe think about what you are saying before blindly repeating talking points.

It isn’t rocket science but people like you make it seem that way.
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Or people like you, who only show partial truth.

Yes,the players chose to go to the legal system with their court case..But then again as a BUSINESS PARTNER,NOT AN EMPLOYEE, Wouldn’t you? We’re talking about the owners who wanted to cut out a Billion AND THEN change your 60% cut down to 40%!

The NFLPA retorted with an even split of the money.That sounds pretty dam fair to me.

Now tell me something – would you take that deal?

If so, wanna be partners?

Yea,I really wonder whose making this look like rocket science. The players who don’t seem to make it past 50 due to all their concussions or owners like Al Davis who appears will never die.

The more I think about it, the more I realize the fans were forgotten about a long, long time ago. Probably before I ever started watching the game. So I am writing to represent myself as a fan of the game since I feel we do not have enough representation by either side at any of your events or negotiations.

You want to show the fans you care? Make it more affordable to us. Give up $10k here, $30k there. Make it more realistic for the rest of us to go. And do something about scalpers, FOR REAL.

In return, I as a fan pledge to continue to watch your programs on an actual television instead of streaming it on my computer. I further promise to continue to pay for actual licensed NFL merchandise as opposed to checking into those sites with the pretty asian lady they claim is doing chat base customer service. I hear they have a sale going on with any jersey for $26, and it must be NFL apparel cause it has the nifty little parch at the bottom just like my jerseys from Champs that were $100.

If you can not make these concessions I fear myself and the rest of my ilk will be forced to find a new supplier for our NFL needs, other than you know, the NFL…

Sincerely,

Forgotten Fan

People need to realize that players have every right to want to be compensated at levels COMMENSURATE WITH THEIR PEERS IN THE SAME “COMPANY” (the NFL) doing the same JOB. This isn’t a matter of OH THEY MAKE MORE MONEY THAN I DO AND I AM A TEACHER/LAWYER/CONSTRUCTION WORKER…whatever. Think of it as a situation within your company. If Joe is making $10/hour but is a slacker, wouldn’t you be mad if you made $8/hour and you were an exemplary employee doing the same job? You betcha you would. If you were a lawyer billing at $100/hour (which is something I can’t relate to personally, that kind of money) at your firm but was really, really good, honest and hardworking I would back you if you had a peer who schmoozed his or her way to $500/hour and partner because of CONNECTIONS rather than HARD WORK. That is what it’s about…think of it in CONTEXT.

That said, Green is a very intelligent man who has actually earned a real degree from his school and who has run a business I believe (restaurant). I am surprised he would be all for opening books with no restrictions. But… though I don’t agree with the division of money part of what the union/association wants I do have zero problem with all the union/association guys trying to present a similar united front. That’s what they SHOULD do. I do hate the “LIAR LIAR” stuff coming from some of these guys. You look infinitely more reasonable and adult and like you have ACTUAL ARGUMENTS if you ..you know…make them instead of resorting to 8th grader level namecalling and nebulous/strawman points.

Morons.

Is there anyone here good at creating a petition?

We need to get at least 100,000 names(definitely want more) stating that we will not buy tickets, merchandise or any item an NFL player endorses, and send it to the PR departments of every team, media, De Smith, Pash, Goodell and all of these other fools that need to realize that we the fans keep this business alive.

If the company is doing good, then i want more money and benefits….

If the company is doing bad, then I still want more money and benefits….

I’m sure Mr. Green will see the logic in my philosophy and grant those extras to me……

I don’t get the logic in posts like this. The players aren’t the one who started the lock out and wanted to change the CBA. The players aren’tr trying to cut out the owners of a billion dollars BEFORE the revenue is even split up.

this is on the owners – either don’t cut out the players of the billion dollars or open up the books and give the players what they want (this also forces the NFPA to react).

This is not rocket science.
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That is very selective memory you have. The players decided not to negotiate and go through the court systems. That is why they are locked out. The players made the lockout necessary. The players did not want to change the CBA because they knew they had a sweetheart deal and even said so to the media.

There is nothing wrong with wanted to negotiate a new CBA when one expires it happens all the time. The owners wanted to negotiate a new CBA is not a reason for the union to decertify and file an anti-trust lawsuit.

Again with the blind “open the books” rhetoric. Tell us why you need more information than what was given. Tell us why it can’t be an independent auditor. Tell us why 5 years isn’t enough and then maybe you will get more information. If you can’t articulate the reasons necessary for your mantra, then you should not expect people to blindly capitulate to your demands. Also, maybe think about what you are saying before blindly repeating talking points.

It isn’t rocket science but people like you make it seem that way.

I don’t get the logic in posts like this. The players aren’t the one who started the lock out and wanted to change the CBA. The players aren’tr trying to cut out the owners of a billion dollars BEFORE the revenue is even split up.

this is on the owners – either don’t cut out the players of the billion dollars or open up the books and give the players what they want (this also forces the NFPA to react).

This is not rocket science.

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The Owners had the right under the CBA to cancel… they did… legally… it was a contract that had an out originally in it and they opted to take it.. all above board. Time for new contract.

In spite of the Players having no right at all to demand the books of their private employers, the Owners have offered audited financials, 2 year tabling of 18 games with right of refusal to the Players, and a buncha other stuff..

Instead of talking about it, the Players circumvented the spirit of the Labor Relations law by decertifying so they wouldn’t be forced to negotiate (!)… and filed a court case.

This action allowed the Owners to lock them out as is fully their right to attempt to defend themselves.

This chain of events is most certainly, completely, totally on the Players

But we are an afterthought in all of this. Neither side gives a crap about the most important entity, THE FANS.

To me its soo funny how they project the revenue increases. those are OUR hard working dollars they are fighting about. and yet we have no voice….