No, actually, that’s the problem. Revenue rises, players make more, but overall team profits go down because the players are making SO MUCH money. That’s the core of the problem.

Not to mention that if I were an owner, I’d be ticked off too if I got only 40% of revenues but had to pay 100% of the costs.

Also I’ve explained this already and I’ll explain it again……NFL player salary is directly tied to Revenue. As most people already know $1 billion of NFL salary first goes to the team for expenses afterwards the revenue is split 40% owners and 60% players. Do you know what this means my simple minded friend? It means the only way for player salary to increase significantly is if revenue goes up. In 2006 NFL revenue was $6billion….under the CBA the split for that year was players $3 billion ($6billion – 1billion) * .6 . The owners get $3billion.

In 2010 with a 50% increase in revenue to $9 billion the players got ($9billion – 1billion)*.6 = $4.8billion….and the owners got $4.2 billion.*

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Now if you project ahead a few years in the current scenario if the revenue is 15 billion the players take 8.4 bill. and the owners take 6.6 bill.

This may have somthing to do with why they opted out of this.

Well, whether I’m working or posting, as a writer, my goal is to inspire a reaction

And my support is never blind. You may not agree with my opinions, but they’re well-researched.

The players still made headway in the mediation against the owners, so why they didn’t at least give a counter-proposal doesn’t sit well with fans who wanted these guys to work it out.

I think it’s a risk for the players over the long run especially. The last CBA gave the NFL stability and profitability which grew the pie. A new one would have assured the same for another decade. Now who knows? Might end up killing the goose.
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southmo that is just the point. A lot of the things you listed are true….bad economy, new stadiums, etc….And despite all that the league still made more money in 2010 than the league ever made at any point in its history. Not only that but owners made about $1.2 billion more in 2010 than they made in 2006 when the contract was first signed. So in the worst economy in years owners made over a billion dollars more than they made when they first signed the CBA in 2006. Those are numbers any other pro league in the country would absolutely kill for. So what exactly are the expense that’s killing the owners? It definitely isn’t player salary for reasons I’ve already mentioned. No one in this league is losing money. This isn’t the NBA.

$8 beer
$6 Hotdogs
$5 Bags of peanuts
$300 Direct TV: MONOPOLY
Over priced merchandise
PSL’s

Then don’t allow the players to keep robbing their respective franchises blind! These costs are necessary to continue funding player salaries! The owners have no choice but to pass the cost of doing business to you the paying customer. Economics 101 people, wake up!
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Another idiot….See my previous post breaking down how the revenue sharing works in the NFL and why it’s rediculous to blame player salary on what you consider over priced tickets etc…..I got nice numbers in there. You talk about Econonimics 101 but you don’t seem to know a thing about Economics. It is nearly impossible for player salary to be the reason for the things you listed especially in a league with no guaranteed contracts and no mandatory salary floor……Also since player salary and owner’s cuts are tied to revenue that means if player salary goes up significantly total revenue has gone up significantly and revenue paid to the owners goes up significantly….Econ 101 give me a break…I sure hope you’re not the professor.

I have never heard of ticket prices going up to meet an owners profit requirements or greed, but I have seen them rise as a direct result of trying to meet a players contract demands.
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Then you sir are the idiot. You show an utter lack of understanding as it comes to the NFL and how they price their tickets. Do you think PSL was initiated in NY because of player salaries? No they came about to help finance the billion dollar stadium the owners choose to build.

Also I’ve explained this already and I’ll explain it again……NFL player salary is directly tied to Revenue. As most people already know $1 billion of NFL salary first goes to the team for expenses afterwards the revenue is split 40% owners and 60% players. Do you know what this means my simple minded friend? It means the only way for player salary to increase significantly is if revenue goes up. In 2006 NFL revenue was $6billion….under the CBA the split for that year was players $3 billion ($6billion – 1billion) * .6 . The owners get $3billion.

In 2010 with a 50% increase in revenue to $9 billion the players got ($9billion – 1billion)*.6 = $4.8billion….and the owners got $4.2 billion.

So both owners and players made over $1billion more in 2010 than they made in 2006….So please tell me how in the world you can blame player salary for rising ticket prices??? It’s rediculous. Revenue rises…players and owners make billions….Revenue drops…players and owners make less.

Regardless what side, if any, you take on this at least try and make a somewhat intelligent argument to back up your points. You just make yourself silly because these numbers are all over the internet and anyone could easily run the numbers to show how silly your argument is.

I registered because I got tired of the reading the blind support for the players, and I wanted to vent some frustration.

So to be perfectly honest, it’s probably people like you who “put me up to that.”

ProFootballTalk.com
over 48,000 votes, 37 percent blaming both sides, 38 percent blaming the players and 24 percent blaming the owners.

Pretty big sample, so the 2:1 claim is suspect now.

scytherius, thanks for posting that stat about the fans supporting the players. It blows my mind to keep seeing people come on here and cheer on the owners to win the the court battle to prevent the injunction stopping the lockout because if the owners win that court battle, we won’t have any football this year. I’ve done searches on many of the pro-owner commenters who suddenly started flooding this site, and most registered within the last week. Gee, wonder who put them up to that?

Mike … I was flipping around for something to watch the other night and wound up with Smokey and the Bandit. It was CBs all over the place! ROFL

The players still made headway in the mediation against the owners, so why they didn’t at least give a counter-proposal doesn’t sit well with fans who wanted these guys to work it out.

I think it’s a risk for the players over the long run especially. The last CBA gave the NFL stability and profitability which grew the pie. A new one would have assured the same for another decade. Now who knows? Might end up killing the goose.

In response to the post linking to a national poll showing the fans support the players 2:1, THIS site voted a 29-106 disapproval. I guess the league shills here are upset with the reality check. ^o^

Seems like you are admitting the owners are packing the polls.

Interesting.

The fans are in favor of the fans…..as in: end this crap and get back to football.

I don’t think the fans are 2-1 in favor of the players nor the owners. There is always a tendency to support Joe Average in any labor issue, but this is so very different. There’s nothing average about either side in this face-off.

Reality Check:
The owners and the players only want to USE the fans for their own agendas in this battle. Other than that, they can give a rats blank.
When it’s resolved, they will only care that we pay the extra dollars it will take to finance the gains in the new contract as well recover any losses.

“I have never heard of ticket prices going up to meet an owners profit requirements or greed”

/ROAR

Another player rep said the window was closed.

Now its “talk to these 8 new people who haven’t been in all the talks”

Mara said about talking to players, not the union, not their reps (holy english comprehension fail batman).

A settlement to an anti-trust lawsuit, and a new CBA may not be the exact same thing.

They are not and they never claimed to be and nobody claimed that on their behalf.

The NFLPA* sent a letter to the owners replying to the owner’s invitation to talk and said “we cannot talk for the players, call one of these numbers to reach the folks that can”.

Try every lawyer firm in the freakin’ world.

$8 beer
$6 Hotdogs
$5 Bags of peanuts
$300 Direct TV: MONOPOLY
Over priced merchandise
PSL’s

Then don’t allow the players to keep robbing their respective franchises blind! These costs are necessary to continue funding player salaries! The owners have no choice but to pass the cost of doing business to you the paying customer. Economics 101 people, wake up!