A.J. Green, Patrick Peterson are at the other end of the Wonderlic curve

AP

Quarterbacks Greg McElroy and Blaine Gabbert blew the curve on the Wonderlic test at the Scouting Combine, scoring a genius-level 43 and 42, respectively.

According to Pro Football Weekly, receiver A.J. Green (pictured) and cornerback Patrick Peterson notched a 10 and a nine, respectively.  Both are widely believed to be on track to be drafted in the top 10.

The score prompted an unnamed scout to tell PFW that “A.J. won’t reach his full potential” and that “[i]t’s hard for dumb receivers.”

Green’s agent, Ben Dogra, objected to the characterization from the unnamed scout.  “There’s a reason why that [unnamed source] probably will remain a scout for a long time instead of becoming a decision-maker — and you can quote me on that,” Dogra told USA Today.  “It’s very hard to make a blanket statement like that.  It’s one piece of the puzzle.  A kid running a 4.33 in the 40 doesn’t mean he will be a Hall of Famer, either.  It’s all relative.”

“I was just thinking [too long],” Green told USA Today.  “Everybody has their own opinion.  I know what I can do.  I am going to work hard to be the best.”

Dogra and CAA also represent Gabbert, who told Rich Eisen of the coincidentally-named Rich Eisen Podcast before learning the outcome of Gabbert’s Wonderlic test that he scored a 42 on a practice test.  It’s unknown whether Green took a practice test, or whether he scored higher than a 10 on it.

As NBC’s Tony Dungy told PFT Live last month, the Wonderlic score is simply another factor to consider, and that it’s not in any way conclusive as to a guy’s football intelligence.

47 responses to “A.J. Green, Patrick Peterson are at the other end of the Wonderlic curve

  1. Here’s why Ben Dogra is wrong:

    True, a kid running a 4.33 in the 40 doesn’t mean he will be a Hall of Famer. It’s probably because he was physically gifted but lacked the aptitude to apply his skills.

    A kid with quick critical thinking and problem solving skills can adapt to make the right play. He can then be trained to run fast, turn quick, improve technique.

  2. I’m not picking on anyone that does well on the test but “genius”? Half the people I know, myself included, maxed the test. It’s just not that difficult. And we are no Mozarts.

  3. So, if in the end the score doesn’t matter – why did you write a story on how abnormally low the scores were?

  4. There has got to be a definitive pattern between Wonderlic scores and success.

    Yeah, so a kid can beat the odds once in a while, but a team would rather chance it in the 3rd round rather than a top 10 pick.

  5. It’s called a Bell curve. The single digit scorers have to wear a bell around their neck so the farmer can locate them more easily.

  6. If it’s not a big thing, then why is Green’s agent giving the story legs by going ballistic about? Just askin.

  7. Racist comments that don’t use any derogatory/offesnsive terms so that the commentators can hide and say they aren’t racists……ready go……………..

  8. Wasn’t the big rumor back in the day that Vince Young scored a 6 or a 12 on that particular test?

    I was living in TX at the time and seems to me everyone was talking about how it didn’t mean anything, it wasn’t true and that he had an amazing football IQ and that’s the only one that matters in the NFL.

    Amazing how quick VY made the hall of fame…..

  9. Roddy White scored a 4 on his and he’s a top 10 if not top 5 wideout today. Green’s 10 means nothing.

  10. The agent has it exactly right (puke) – the Wonderlic is just a piece of the puzzle.

    All the smarts in the world aren’t worth diddly if you don’t have the work ethic to go with it.

  11. It would be a bigger red flag if the QB’s had a bad score but a WR and CB getting low scores, don’t sweat the details. “Hey A.J, go deep on this next one…make him eat his heart out” -And he’ll do it too

  12. Although I generally think the Wonderlic only illustrates whether you’re good at taking standardized tests, I was lmao at the scout saying “it’s hard for dumb receivers.” That’s the quote of the day.

  13. As the Bengals of a few years ago and some of the dipsh*ts this offseason have shown, you dont need a great deal of brains to play in the NFL

  14. He’ll be OK as long as he can count to eight…the number of zeroes in the contract he signs. He’s been studying questions:
    How many in $15,000,000.00 A.J.? uhhh 8!
    $25,000,000.00 (pause)…8!

    No problem…

  15. Brief portion of AJ’s Wonderlic Test.

    1. 5(y)-5+3=28

    what does Y equal?

    a) Pizza
    b) Baloon
    c) 6
    d) Racecar
    e) None of the Above

  16. @razic3k

    You don’t think on a football field. You just do and react. It takes conditioning and training. The reason why the wonderlic is given is to test how quickly a player can prepare for this test.

    It’s like all of the other combine tests. They have an expected range to score in. Scoring at your projection = no change. Scoring well below = stock falls. Scoring well above = stock goes up.

  17. You can really only reach one of two inescapable conclusions from these scores: (1) the 2 players are complete dopes becasue they couldn’t even get an average score with prior agent-arranged preparation and study; or (2) their agents are complete dopes because they failed to properly prepare two complete dopes to succeed on a test on which the average 14 year old can score at least a 15.

  18. He can then be trained to run fast, turn quick, improve technique.

    You cannot be trained to run much faster than your God given ability, that is well known. Every Coach on the planet will tell you “You cannot teach fast”. You can get people into better condition, and work with them to improve technique, but there is just not much you can do with teaching “fast”.

  19. The reason people put up red flags for bad wonderlic scores is because it is a test that is quite easy to prepare for. Everyone knows what the questions are, and with a few hours practice just about anyone should be able to get a decent score.

    So some teams may take this as a sign that a player is not willing to put the time in to prepare for something he should have considered important to his future.

  20. “I’m not picking on anyone that does well on the test but “genius”? Half the people I know, myself included, maxed the test. It’s just not that difficult. And we are no Mozarts.”

    Anyone who mentions Mozart in conjunction with a football test probably scores lower than either of these two.

  21. Somewhere Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson are holding press conferences demanding a Mr. Wonderlic to stop the hatred.

  22. So.. I see… now you tearing down posts that you don’t agree with which contain no profanity or hate.
    This web site is becoming someone’s personal soap box with an agenda.

  23. I admit – the score may not indicate how well the guy catches a ball, runs a route or practices but it will give a good indication to if he is smart enough to handle the 25 million you’re about to give him. If not the money itself but smart enough to surround himself with the right people to look out for him.

    Do you really want your stud receiver broke in 16 months, hitting up that wonderlic maxed out lineman for “folding money” you know, just $300,000 to get him through???? What kind of dynamic does that bring to the locker room?

    Or holding out/sitting out 2 years into a 4 year deal because he’s waist deep in paternity suits, hookers and collection agents and needs more money? Contract and production be damned…

    It’s not just about football ability here – the last thing you need is a guy who isn’t bright enough NOT to be an issue off the field.

  24. What was Randy Moss’ score? When you can fly by em it doesn’t take a lot of thought. “Super Freak” can’t do it anymore but that is 30 million dollars down the road and he now owns a NASCAR team. I wonder how that wonderlic worked out?

  25. I predict Greg McElroy will be a terrible quarterback, regardless of his great Wonderlic score.

    And Vince Young, despite his awful Wonderlic result, turned out pretty well as an NFL quarterback, despite the fact that he’s very temperamental.

  26. Did anyone see Peyton Hillis on Sports Nation last night? He must have taken the test twice and scored a cumulative 10.

  27. That’s like saying a person with a Masters Degree is smarter than a person with a bachelors degree. All that means is they have another piece of paper to hang on their office wall. So, they scored well on the Wonderlic, good for them-it doesn’t make them a better player.

  28. Trollaikman,

    My crying 4 week old just woke me up so I was killing time on here while rocking him. Your comment caused me to laugh so hard I woke him up again. Thanks a lot and very well played! A “sicks” almost made me piss myself.

  29. baous says:
    Mar 23, 2011 6:46 PM
    Roddy White scored a 4 on his and he’s a top 10 if not top 5 wideout today.

    ^ anyone is a top ten wideout when they play against the nfc west/nfc south/browns/bengals

    how much catches did Roddy have against The Packers and Steelers again?

    If I had to rank WRs, it’d be Calvin Johnson Jr/Andre Johnson/Larry Fitzgerald/Greg Jennings/Brandon Marshall/Reggie Wayne/Miles Austin/DeSean Jackson/Marquis Colston/Chad Ochocinco/Wes Welker/ probably Jordy Nelson and then Roddy White.

  30. So what Business Schools are Green and Peterson applying to?? Oh right. They will make more than all of you Wonderlic-guru commenters will in a lifetime. Advantage Them.

  31. steelertom says:
    Mar 23, 2011 7:56 PM
    cant teach speed and cant fix stupid. catch 22
    ————————————-
    You just described Big Ben

  32. A comment to razic3k who posted first. You cant teach anyone to run a 4.33 40, or turn on a dime at full speed.

    In fact its a lot easier to teach someone to score high on the wonderlick than it is to improve their athletic ability by the time they reach the NFL.

    These guys are maxed out from a decade of hard training. They are not going to suddenly find a bunch of speed or agility once they reach the NFL.

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