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Johnny Jolly arrested again on drug charges

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Last year, Packers defensive lineman Johnny Jolly settled charges relating to the possession of codeine by entering into a pre-trial diversion program.  Under the terms of the deal, the charges would have been dismissed if he had stayed out of trouble for a year.

He didn’t make it.

Sports Radio 610 in Houston reports, via CBSHoustonTX.com, that Jolly has been arrested for felony possession of codeine, the active ingredient in the beverage known as “lean” and “purple drank.”

Police stopped Jolly’s Escalade early Friday, for a traffic violation. Jolly reportedly presented a state identification card rather than a driver’s license.  Police thereafter learned that his license is suspended, and ineligible for renewal.

Police then searched Jolly’s vehicle and found 600 grams of codeine.

In July 2010, the NFL suspended Jolly for all of the 2010 season.  He reportedly commenced the process of obtaining reinstatement earlier this year.  Earlier this week, coach Mike McCarthy said that Jolly “definitely” remains in the teams plans.

McCarthy may be using a different word to describe Jolly’s status now, given that he faces both new charges and a likely claim that he violated his diversion program.

Meanwhile, we can’t help but wonder whether Jolly would have gotten arrested absent a lockout.  With the league shut down, suspended players like Jolly are no longer subject to unannounced testing.  Thus, to the extent that he was tempted to use codeine, the absence of a strong incentive to stay away from the substance may have set the stage for the latest incident.

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  1. dexterismyhero says: Mar 25, 2011 2:21 PM

    Turd watch reset

  2. hobartbaker says: Mar 25, 2011 2:26 PM

    It’s what makes Johnny jolly.

  3. thevillain112 says: Mar 25, 2011 2:27 PM

    “Meanwhile, we can’t help but wonder whether Jolly would have gotten arrested absent a lockout. With the league shut down, suspended players like Jolly are no longer subject to unannounced testing. ”

    I know you guys have to tie everything back to the Lockout, but he had 600 grams of codeine and was just busted with it last year. This has nothing to do with the lockout…

  4. mizzousooner says: Mar 25, 2011 2:28 PM

    Dipstick.

  5. footballpoetry says: Mar 25, 2011 2:28 PM

    Ya blew it.

  6. brewdogg says: Mar 25, 2011 2:28 PM

    Thank you for playing, Mr. Jolly, but it’s time for you to find a new vocation. Perhaps transportation should be considered…..

  7. Patriot42 says: Mar 25, 2011 2:28 PM

    Crapped his career away.

  8. worstthingss says: Mar 25, 2011 2:29 PM

    Real smart.

  9. thevikes85 says: Mar 25, 2011 2:30 PM

    absolute moron

  10. mkepackfan says: Mar 25, 2011 2:31 PM

    That’s 600 GRAMS, not milligrams…codeine in cough medicine is done by milligrams…only 100 or so milligrams in a bottle.

    So, yeah, that’s a lot. It’s been real Johnny

  11. goombar2 says: Mar 25, 2011 2:33 PM

    Gosh, what a waste of talent… He’s almost certainly gone now. I liked the idea of a second chance for a nonviolent criminal, but he’s of no use if he’ll never play and will spend another year out of the league.

    What is this guy doing in Houston? Absolutely stupid.

  12. rpiotr01 says: Mar 25, 2011 2:33 PM

    Hello, Jolly
    This is the prison warden, Jolly
    It’s so nice to have you back where you belong…

  13. Matt-NC says: Mar 25, 2011 2:34 PM

    Well his NFL career just ended.

  14. CJ says: Mar 25, 2011 2:39 PM

    mkepackfan,

    exactly. heck, the local pharmacy doesn’t carry 600 grams of codeine at a time. Not that you could buy that much at once even if they did LOL

  15. carlgerbschmidt says: Mar 25, 2011 2:39 PM

    What? Are you all vikes fans? Typical vikes fans, jump on a man when he is down. He clearly has a medical problem and needs help. Godspeed on your recovery Johnny, we’ll be waiting for you when you get back.

  16. calloustongue says: Mar 25, 2011 2:39 PM

    Embarassing he is still a Packer. What a moron. Way to throw your life away and make your Super Bowl Champion teammates look bad.

    I hope that idiot doesn’t get a ring.

  17. dchuwo says: Mar 25, 2011 2:43 PM

    Talk about a guy who doesn’t get it. My guess is he won’t have an Escalade much longer. Mr. Thompson, maybe time to rethink the plan on Cullen Jenkins.

  18. tombradyswig says: Mar 25, 2011 2:44 PM

    That’s 600 GRAMS, not milligrams…codeine in cough medicine is done by milligrams…only 100 or so milligrams in a bottle.

    So, yeah, that’s a lot. It’s been real Johnny

    yeah, more than a freaking pound!!!!
    I see why Johnny is so Jolly!!!!!!

  19. stew48 says: Mar 25, 2011 2:45 PM

    villain112 made a good comment. This has nothing to do with lockout, tackles, sacks or Goodell. Just Jolly and his addiction, which demands more and more until a dramatic change is experienced.

  20. src3346 says: Mar 25, 2011 2:46 PM

    Sounds like a great candidate to represent the NFLPA in future negotiations. Idiot!!!

  21. packfntk says: Mar 25, 2011 2:47 PM

    Idiot. you had an opportunity to provide the Super Bowl Champs with some quality depth. Have fun working at the Quickie Mart for the rest of your life. Moran.

  22. sigmaed51 says: Mar 25, 2011 2:48 PM

    what a complete moron….I understand that people have addictions, but this is absurd…GET SOME HELP!!!! you have the means for gods sake. a year long suspension should have been a wake-up call. What a waste of talent. As far as the Pack goes, ADIOS Johnny. I think now Ted must seriously consider re-signing Cullen Jenkins, I thought they should have anyway. I know they were counting on Neal and Jolly coming back making Jenkins expendable, but not anymore!!! Thanks for nothing Johnny…GO PACK GO!!!

  23. cambodianbreastmilk says: Mar 25, 2011 2:48 PM

    What’s the matter with this guy? Why can’t he stay out of trouble?

  24. 3octaveFart says: Mar 25, 2011 2:50 PM

    “Mike McCarthy said that Jolly “definitely” remains in the teams plans.”

    Sure he is, he’s the team supplier.

  25. contra74 says: Mar 25, 2011 2:53 PM

    Wow…Really?

  26. mvp43 says: Mar 25, 2011 2:53 PM

    The first 10 responses without a thumbs down! that may be a new record…..Thanks Johnny!

  27. pkrlvr says: Mar 25, 2011 2:54 PM

    If it was 600 grams of pot, he’d be charged with intent to distribute.

    It amazes me that these guys can make millions yet still can’t rise above the lifestyle. Can’t buy class.

  28. andyreidcarboload says: Mar 25, 2011 2:56 PM

    I really do believe that he had a bad cold. Sorry, a bad bad cold.

  29. jamoe17 says: Mar 25, 2011 2:58 PM

    You can’t fix dumb…exhibit: #758,763,980,342,327

  30. fortysixntwo says: Mar 25, 2011 2:58 PM

    600 grams of codeine is… just a ridiculous amount. that wasn’t him feeding an addiction, that was a serious drug dealer trying to deal some serious drugs.

    A 4 oz bottle of Cheratussin AC has 236 mgs of codeine in it.

    you have to sign for the stuff at grocery stores.

    to put this in perspective, Jolly would have had to have quite a few “smurf’s” under him, guys whose only job it is to go sign for the cough syrup. and if you think about how he got busted with that amount, imagine how many other trips the guy has made that he didn’t get caught for.

    So before anyone gets to criticising the guy, realize that he is deeply involved with a criminal organization, and probably one that would have no problem going after him and his family if he tried to get out, or to turn them in. Why he was running the drugs himself when he’s on probation, or why he was dumb enough to get himself pulled over with that kind of weight, that’s valid criticism. but these type of ventures, you don’t just get out of them like you would puttin in 2 weeks at your day job.

  31. minnesconsin says: Mar 25, 2011 3:00 PM

    Holy codeine, batman. I’ve been a vocal in the past about my opinion that Jolly was dicked around by the system. Up until now, I figured if he’d done anything wrong they wouldn’t have kept postponing the trial, dropping and refiling charges, stringing him along, etc. Clearly, I was wrong.

    First of all, he must’ve had the codeine in pill form for them to measure it so quickly. and 600 grams is a HELL of a lot of codeine. that’s 600,000 mg. To put that in perspective, 300 mg will get the average guy pretty damned high, unless he has a strong tolerance. So Jolly had enough codeine in his vehicle to get 2,000 people high? maybe the dude’s a drug lord after all…

  32. dempsey63 says: Mar 25, 2011 3:00 PM

    They could probably Photoshop his mug shot into the team’s official Super Bowl photo. What an arrogant moron!

  33. profootballwalk says: Mar 25, 2011 3:00 PM

    “Meanwhile, we can’t help but wonder whether Jolly would have gotten arrested absent a lockout.”

    “Counsel is speculating, your honor!”

  34. tremoluxman says: Mar 25, 2011 3:01 PM

    Can’t a Brutha just grab a nod?

  35. bigd9484 says: Mar 25, 2011 3:01 PM

    What an idiot. Can’t even pretend to stay clean long enough to get back in. Maybe the pack will reconsider re-signing jenkins now?

  36. buckybadger says: Mar 25, 2011 3:02 PM

    Bye Johnny, you will no longer be a Packer.

    Cullen Jenkins’ chances of coming back just got better.

  37. nfltitletown says: Mar 25, 2011 3:03 PM

    1st he gets arrested and misses a superbowl year, thus misses out on a superbowl ring. Then he gets caught with the same crap that cost him that opportunity in the first place. Not For Long Jolly, wasted potential. Hopefully something wakes him up so he can move forward with his life, his career is over.

  38. phinheads says: Mar 25, 2011 3:04 PM

    what a slob

  39. possiblecabbage says: Mar 25, 2011 3:07 PM

    Nice of him to do this before the draft. Since, you know, he’s easier to replace that way.

  40. plundergrunge says: Mar 25, 2011 3:08 PM

    My client has a persistent cough, rendering him unable to function comfortably without the use of his medicine…wait, how much? Seriously?! Stupid idiot. He’s fine. I’m done with the turd.

  41. shaggytoodle says: Mar 25, 2011 3:10 PM

    I was hoping GB would have been able to go after Baldwin from Pitt. (if still available), but now with this, Jenkins unsure he will be back next season, and Neal coming off an injury and not being on the field, I think its safe to say that GB needs to take a closer look at the Dline situation.

  42. thereisalwaysnextyear says: Mar 25, 2011 3:10 PM

    “Police then searched Jolly’s vehicle and found 600 grams of codeine”

    That sounds like a LOT. Hmm, I wonder if he was on his way to see JeMarcus…

  43. firethorn1001 says: Mar 25, 2011 3:10 PM

    I think Jolly is going to that place they refer to in the movie Office Space.

  44. moneymike23 says: Mar 25, 2011 3:11 PM

    and your team just won the super bowl w/o you and have a good chance of doing it again but it seems u don’t want to be a part of it? Unreal!

  45. 1standlong says: Mar 25, 2011 3:12 PM

    I’m guessing his traffic violation was DWB? That’ll get you every time. He’s definitely an idiot and must have been about to throw one hell of a purple drank party.

  46. slayyer30 says: Mar 25, 2011 3:12 PM

    Good bye Mr Jolly. Gave you the benefit of the doubt being that the first time you were arrested it was drugs and you weren’t killing people like other players. Now I would hope that you are gone.

  47. demo1984 says: Mar 25, 2011 3:16 PM

    Where is the packer fan that denied the packers had any turds with legal troubles.

  48. jimmysee says: Mar 25, 2011 3:23 PM

    Sad news
    :-(

  49. wetpaperbag2 says: Mar 25, 2011 3:28 PM

    tombradyswig says: Mar 25, 2011 2:44 PM

    That’s 600 GRAMS, not milligrams…codeine in cough medicine is done by milligrams…only 100 or so milligrams in a bottle.

    So, yeah, that’s a lot. It’s been real Johnny

    yeah, more than a freaking pound!!!!
    I see why Johnny is so Jolly!!!!!!
    ————————————–

    Codeine is often prescribed in ounces or mL’s. These dosages are in mg’s. 600 grams is the same as 600mL. Thus, the 600mL is equivalent to ~21 ounces. He was busted with likely ONE bottle. So, the 600mg is not a terrible amount to have. The problem is that he likely didn’t have a prescription for it and/or his name was not on the bottle. If that is the case, then that is both a state and federal offense.

  50. Rex Grossman says: Mar 25, 2011 3:36 PM

    The ratio of Thumbs Up above Thumbs Down on these comments is astounding. Then carlgerbschmidt had to go and blow it with his awful contribution. 3 up and 34 down…get ahold of yourself, man.

  51. mick730 says: Mar 25, 2011 3:37 PM

    Jolly’s one year (indefinite) suspension actually had nothing at all to do with his first arrest in Houston two years ago; rather it was for failing multiple drug tests during the 2009 season.

    His behavior has zero to do with this CBA nonsense, nor does it have anything to do with the “greedy billionaire owners”, but everything to do with Johnny Jolly and his own behavior. Jolly failed all those multiple drug tests in 2009 and was busted previously for having over 400 grams of codeine while the CBA was in place. For the owner of this site to try and pin this on the NFL owners and the lockout is beyond absurd.

    It gives yet another in a long line of examples just over the last few weeks why the owners will never consider these people their “partners”.

    “Partners”. Absurd.

  52. bengalboi83 says: Mar 25, 2011 3:37 PM

    Don’t judge him it’s obvious that he has a real addiction/problem….In my opinion Betty Ford does him better than prison……..It’s obvious he isn’t in it for the money he has an addiction/sickness……He should only be incarcerated if it’s for financial gain because he is no pharmacy….If he doesn’t complete rehab and or future interactions/violations with the substance then he should be jailed

  53. thefiesty1 says: Mar 25, 2011 3:41 PM

    Dumb Aggie!

  54. dcninerfan says: Mar 25, 2011 3:46 PM

    Ghetto strikes again. Over a pound of pure codeine? Paging Jamarcus.

  55. ShimSham says: Mar 25, 2011 3:50 PM

    I don’t know how dumb someone can be.

  56. jutts says: Mar 25, 2011 3:59 PM

    Trade him to the Bengals..

  57. tgifinley88 says: Mar 25, 2011 3:59 PM

    sad to see talent thrown away like this. johnny was a nice guy too, met him a few times up in GB at training camp. that being said, this turd doesn’t deserve a super bowl ring and can kiss any hopes of an NFL career goodbye.

  58. elrushbo2 says: Mar 25, 2011 4:01 PM

    Yep the players need more money and benefits. Cadillac Escalades and purple drank are expensive. And yes PFT he would of been arrested again at some point maybe not on Friday but eventually because he like too many other players are just plain stupid.

  59. EJ says: Mar 25, 2011 4:04 PM

    600 grams of codeine in liquid form is not that much, I was once a pharmacist’s assistant and have worked with the stuff before.

    He probably paid off a pharmacist to accidentally drop and write off a bottle as damaged.

    He was probably starting to hurt financialy and thought he could make some money on the side, idiot. Ruined his career too.

  60. minnesconsin says: Mar 25, 2011 4:35 PM

    wetpaperbag2 says:
    Mar 25, 2011 3:28 PM
    Codeine is often prescribed in ounces or mL’s. These dosages are in mg’s. 600 grams is the same as 600mL. Thus, the 600mL is equivalent to ~21 ounces. He was busted with likely ONE bottle. So, the 600mg is not a terrible amount to have.
    ————–
    EJ says:
    Mar 25, 2011 4:04 PM
    600 grams of codeine in liquid form is not that much, I was once a pharmacist’s assistant and have worked with the stuff before.
    ————-

    The fact that they’re measuring it in grams suggests it was pill form and that’s a TON of codeine. None of the reports indicate whether it was liquid or pills, but a gram is a unit of mass, not of volume.

    But 600 grams is 600 grams, liquid or pills. If it was liquid, that’d be one hell of a concentrated solution, surely meant to be diluted before consumed.

  61. terrellochouno says: Mar 25, 2011 4:39 PM

    If I’m ever unfortunate enough to spend time in prison, I sincerely hope I’m not bunked with a guy named Johnny Jolly. I just can’t see any good coming from that,

  62. lawyermalloy says: Mar 25, 2011 4:44 PM

    When you get a job I’ll take a Big Mac, fries and a coke!

  63. tholte1 says: Mar 25, 2011 4:47 PM

    The Packers can’t even trade the loser now!

  64. uncommon1 says: Mar 25, 2011 4:53 PM

    He was “definitely in the plan” for the returning Super Bowl Champs. If that isn’t enough incentive to stay clean than he has no business being in the “Artist Formerly Known as The NFL”

  65. wafflestomp says: Mar 25, 2011 4:54 PM

    Addiction or stupidity, who cares.
    I’m tired of all these idiots who screw over the rest the players who are trying to do right.

    Nobody owes you anything in the world. This is the simple truth of life. It should be a privilege to wear an NFL uniform and reap the benifits of the league, not an automatic yes just because you possess enough talent.

    The league as a whole should require higher standards from all of their employees.

    Jolly was a decent player who had a huge upside and he threw it all away because he’s a complete moron. I don’t feel sympathy, I feel revulsion.

    Good riddance

  66. thejuddstir says: Mar 25, 2011 4:54 PM

    Tell us again Packer fans how there are no Packer-turds…..Jolly, Underwood, Chmura, Rodgers, Favre, etc. etc…..there is no clean in the NFL or any professional sport for that matter.

  67. oldbyrd says: Mar 25, 2011 5:05 PM

    Throw the key away and call the Union.

  68. easyeddie says: Mar 25, 2011 5:07 PM

    carlgerbschmidt says:
    Mar 25, 2011 2:39 PM
    “…….. jump on a man when he is down. He clearly has a medical problem and needs help. Godspeed on your recovery Johnny, we’ll be waiting for you when you get back.”

    He’s asked for all the trouble he’s gotten into, yes.

  69. keramidas21 says: Mar 25, 2011 5:11 PM

    thats a shame, he was a great player.

  70. nickvpackfan says: Mar 25, 2011 5:14 PM

    Michael Irvin anyone…

  71. gbpsb45 says: Mar 25, 2011 5:14 PM

    Check my math here … there is roughly .5g of codeine in 100mL of PERSCRIPTION cough syrup. That make 1g in each .2L of syrup, or 100g in 20L, and 600g in 120L … 120L of syrup would equal 31.66 GALLONS of perscription cough syrup … and you would have to have it on you, in your Escalade, when the cops stop you! Moron doesn’t begin to do this guy justice …

  72. rcunningham says: Mar 25, 2011 5:23 PM

    Hey where’s JimmySmith???

  73. kcjohnson2 says: Mar 25, 2011 5:32 PM

    Won a Super Bowl without him. Will win another Super Bowl without him.

  74. 12titles says: Mar 25, 2011 5:35 PM

    somewhere, Cullen Jenkins is smiling….

  75. emossome84 says: Mar 25, 2011 5:35 PM

    @carlgerbschmidt says:
    Mar 25, 2011 2:39 PM
    What? Are you all vikes fans? Typical vikes fans, jump on a man when he is down. He clearly has a medical problem and needs help. Godspeed on your recovery Johnny, we’ll be waiting for you when you get back.

    ———————-
    Really man? You’re gonna go that route? Read any article with a Vikings tag and you might reconsider that point of view. There are numerous Green Bay fans on here who negatively comment on every single Viking article whether its related to crime or not(believe it or not some of the Vikings articles actually aren’t…). Don’t act like Packer fans are saints and also don’t assume that every bad comment about a Packer comes from a Viking fan. Unless you really are that ignorant.

  76. beerndonuts says: Mar 25, 2011 5:37 PM

    demo1984 says: Mar 25, 2011 3:16 PM

    Where is the packer fan that denied the packers had any turds with legal troubles.

    ______________________________________

    I don’t know who that fan was, but the day TT can make roster moves again I’m sure GB will be one player closer to squeaky clean.

  77. rockymtnphinfan says: Mar 25, 2011 5:39 PM

    Prison warden: welcome back Johnny, we saved this big ole rock here for you to break into little rocks. Get to work!

  78. schemefactory says: Mar 25, 2011 5:40 PM

    good.

  79. ampats says: Mar 25, 2011 5:43 PM

    Jimmysmith is like Puxantany Phil.

    When it is a post about the Vikings, Patriots etc he comes out of his hole, but when its about his beloved Packers,

    Its six more weeks of winter since he doesn’t come out of his hole.

  80. ted1sheckler says: Mar 25, 2011 6:06 PM

    Where are all the big mouths like Jimmy? Come on turd, you are all over Vikings threads ripping them to shreds. So typical that you aren’t anywhere to be found. couple this with the bs that went on in the Dells over the summer, you should have nothing to say.

    By the way, this isn’t sad or tragic, its pure stupidity.
    He never impressed me as a Sharp person. Just wait, Finely is next up. Count on it.

  81. stairwayto7 says: Mar 25, 2011 6:06 PM

    Stay classy Packer fans! You had a tight end named Mark Chumura who was in a hottub with a 14 year old, NFL int leader in Favre, cancer survivor hater in Rodgers and now a coedine addict! Typical Packer fans will say nothing!

  82. garyman1 says: Mar 25, 2011 6:09 PM

    Scratch ONE NFL career…. he was given a second chance (per McCarthy’s comments) and blew it. He did it to himself and the Pack will move on just fine.

  83. claymaker says: Mar 25, 2011 6:14 PM

    What a complete Douche. We have seen some real idiots these last few years, but this guy may be the cream of the crop. Don’t you just hate stupid people?

    Dear Johnny Jolly:

    “Here’s Your Sign”

  84. pack15forever says: Mar 25, 2011 6:22 PM

    Packers need to resign Cullen Jenkins. Johnny Jolly is an idiot.

  85. chipwade says: Mar 25, 2011 6:26 PM

    Holy Dumb F@Ck.

  86. purpleguy says: Mar 25, 2011 7:08 PM

    It’s too bad he didn’t learn his lesson after the first round and that neither he, his agent, team or family arranged for the teatment he probably needed. Instead on harping on how big of a dope he is or using this news to trash the Pack, it’s just sad the guy has screwed up his professional and personal life.

  87. judsonjr says: Mar 25, 2011 7:11 PM

    What an idiot.

    From the legal side, I’m pretty sure that in Texas if you pour some cough syrup w/ codeine in a drink, the size of the whole drink is what they measure. They consider the drink an accelerant or something.

    So my guess is that he had a medium soda (21oz=600 grams) with codeine in it. I figure after he gets caught a couple more times, we will know for sure.

  88. whatswiththehate says: Mar 25, 2011 7:19 PM

    And where is the sympathic mentioning of something being wrong with him ?

    Or yes, that reserved for “certain” players.

    You sports media folks, so transparent.

  89. brewdogg says: Mar 25, 2011 7:26 PM

    wetpaperbag2 says:
    Mar 25, 2011 3:28 PM
    tombradyswig says: Mar 25, 2011 2:44 PM

    That’s 600 GRAMS, not milligrams…codeine in cough medicine is done by milligrams…only 100 or so milligrams in a bottle.

    So, yeah, that’s a lot. It’s been real Johnny

    yeah, more than a freaking pound!!!!
    I see why Johnny is so Jolly!!!!!!
    ————————————–

    Codeine is often prescribed in ounces or mL’s. These dosages are in mg’s. 600 grams is the same as 600mL. Thus, the 600mL is equivalent to ~21 ounces. He was busted with likely ONE bottle. So, the 600mg is not a terrible amount to have. The problem is that he likely didn’t have a prescription for it and/or his name was not on the bottle. If that is the case, then that is both a state and federal offense.

    ——————————————

    You’re kidding, right? Seriously…..are you aware of how messed up you can get off that stuff?

    “Doses of 800 mg or more have caused prolonged miosis, muscular weakness, semiconsciousness, delirium, convulsions, rapid pulse, and finally circulatory collapse or respiratory paralysis.” – rxMed

    So I think it’s safe to say that 1g of this stuff is deadly. Dude had 600….. But you’re right, it’s not that much. A few years from now, 20oz bottles of pure codeine will be sold in every gas station…..

  90. itsmebobd says: Mar 25, 2011 7:33 PM

    Obviously Jolly is not just using codeine. 600 Grams of codeine is ALOT. Codeine is the weakest of the legal opiate family here in the USA (with Darvon, Darvocet AKA Propoxyphene off the market now) and is definitely the least likely to be abused. Codeine doesnt posess the same addictiveness as most other opiates, because tolerance is quickly developed, and the drug is easy to overdose on. Once you’re hooked on codeine, you’re likely to puke, vomit, and OD than u are to get a buzz off it. Likely, Jolly was in posession of this 600 grams of codeine to distribute it massively. Apparently this guys NFL salary isnt enough. He’s likely paying top dollar to someone to obtain codeine, and then making drinks such as “codeine, sizzurp (one of the variations of it), and LEAN” Anyhow, this guy isnt a big time drug dealer, trying to spread horrific drugs to people. He’s merely an idiot spreading around some feel good juice to his home boys. Reguardless, 600 grams is alot. I see this being an all-or-nothing type penalty here. The judge will either see this as a less dangerous drug, and give him a couple years prohbation and fine the heck outta him, or they are gonna nail it to him felony distribution and all, and he’s gonna do prison time. No middle ground here. Will be interesting to see how this pans out. Also, Codeine is supposedly easily accessible in the NFL locker rooms via the doctors there. Some have switched to codeine for its lower potential for abuse compared to the vicodin they constantly handed out before.

  91. genericcommenter says: Mar 25, 2011 8:13 PM

    I’m not saying he doesn’t need to take responsibility for his own actions, but I am curious if the NFL and/or whatever “program” these guys are involved in provides access to some kind of treatment for their problem. I realize not all drug users are addicts ( and to be frank and realistic I think it’s a joke that codeine is classified how it is), but there might be some addiction or other underlying health issue here. Of course, he could just be an idiot who casually uses the stuff- and regardless of my opinion on drug laws someone in his situation would do well to not use the stuff. Players suspended from the NFL for drug use often seem to have other health problems that make the drug use more likely and in some cases are suspended for drugs that actually treat their significant health issues. Of course, in a culture that considers a muscle strain a worse health issue than a significant mental illness, I don’t really expect much room for that kind of logic.

  92. adsbad28 says: Mar 25, 2011 8:29 PM

    hey jonny boy tell me how that puple drank tastes in prison u fat worthless pig

  93. gwhempel says: Mar 25, 2011 8:45 PM

    The Packers are stacked at a lot of positions, so they could afford to mix luxury with this new need. Move up in the draft and take J.J. Watt, the state of Wisconsin will collectively pee it’s pants.

  94. loytomaki says: Mar 25, 2011 8:47 PM

    That sucks, I was hoping he would straighten his crap out.

  95. nickynick04 says: Mar 25, 2011 9:12 PM

    He just flushed his life down the toliet…..now he can tell Packer stories in prison and tell inmates his appeal is coming and he s gonna play for the Packers again

  96. deconjonesbitchslap says: Mar 25, 2011 9:15 PM

    Well this is good news for the packers and very bad news for everybody else.

    last time he was arrested, the packers won the superbowl.

  97. pervyharvin says: Mar 25, 2011 9:23 PM

    What else would you expect from a Packer loser? Clay likes juice. McCarthy likes cupcakes and Rodgers likes gerbils. Addiction is a beoitch!

  98. gophersnot says: Mar 25, 2011 10:08 PM

    carlgerbschmidt says: Mar 25, 2011 2:39 PM

    “What? Are you all vikes fans? Typical vikes fans, jump on a man when he is down. He clearly has a medical problem and needs help. Godspeed on your recovery Johnny, we’ll be waiting for you when you get back.”

    Are you kidding me? That moron Jimmy Smith bags on the Vikings for anything. Half the time he spews crap about players/ stories which have nothing to do with the Vikings. Now, the shoe is on the other foot and you are whining and crying “unfair.”

    Your response was almost as pathetic as Jimmy’s usual posts.

    Pride comes before a fall ye proud Packer fans.

    Troll.

  99. melonnhead says: Mar 25, 2011 10:31 PM

    last time he was arrested, the packers won the superbowl.

    —————————————————-

    Actually the last time he was arrested (July 2008) the Packers went 6-10.

  100. deathmaskdivine says: Mar 25, 2011 10:32 PM

    The only reason this is a story is because of this county’s insane drug laws. Codeine is legal in most parts of the world including Canada yet he’ll probably have to do jail time for this. Another non-violent offender behind bars.

  101. shaggytoodle says: Mar 25, 2011 10:42 PM

    The Packers do have a player that does make bad choices here and there.

    I don’t see where the guy can rip Rodgers and say he is a turd, but whatever floats your boat.

    I do know that GB does try to stay away from them, Marshawn Lynch and what not, but money changes people.

    They by no means have a squeky clean record, there are always a few, but if they can help it, they do try to avoid.

  102. cameran0804 says: Mar 25, 2011 11:20 PM

    LOVE IT!!! The fact that the packers have to wait for there rings & now fat jolly, this is the BEST news i have heard all off season!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  103. jwadz says: Mar 26, 2011 12:11 AM

    Packer fan born and raised. Truth hurts Teddy and the white eyes missed on this one – it happens to the best and more often to the worst GMs. I was shocked to hear MM’s take on Jolly being in the plan – really??? Jolly does not have an addiction problem he has a drug dealing problem. That is why he was suspended by the NFL for a season. The cops couldn’t nail him but the private investigation by the ex-FBI agents the NFL employees showed enough for Roger Dodger to go mid-evil on his ass and give him a year for a first time offense and no one in the union went to bat for him because he is a d-bag. Good ridance and enjoy your Texas prison time sure it will be fun and better than playing in the NFL. Uhhh Ted I have Cullen Jenkins agent on the line one….

  104. dempsey63 says: Mar 26, 2011 2:07 AM

    Somewhere, Justin Harrell is smiling…

    The Thin Green-and-Gold Line can do without Johnny Jolly. I’m not buying into the addiction theories, because Jolly appears to enjoy being known on the party scene as a distribution kingpin who can make others adore him by catering to their pursuit of happiness.

    Jolly reminds me of a guy who roamed the Paulsboro, NJ, truckstop during the mid-’80s calling himself “The Doctor”: “Coke…smoke…PCP… What’ll it be? I’m the doctor. Come see me!”

    He had his opportunity to throw himself on the altar of addiction martyrdom, but he instead chose to throw his friends under the bus a year ago by claiming that the codeine was theirs. This time around he has nobody else to blame, and the fact that one go-round with the Texas justice system didn’t scare him straight indicates that some meaningful prison time might be just the prescription for him.

    To those that argue that codeine is over-regulated in this country as opposed to Canada, fine: the Edmonton Eskimos are welcome to outfit this drug pusher in their faux-Packers uniforms.

  105. chuckyd317 says: Mar 26, 2011 2:21 AM

    UFL UFL UFL UFL….. See your Codeine’d up ass in Omaha… if they will take Maurice Clarett they will definitely take you. Way to disgrace the most honored team in all of Football you Douche….

  106. 1historian says: Mar 26, 2011 7:27 AM

    This is too bad but the guy has no one to blame but himself.
    The sooner he realizes this the better off he will eventually be. Programs or no programs – it is up to HIM to take care of this problem.

  107. backindasaddle says: Mar 26, 2011 10:22 AM

    He be drivin his Escalade wit his suspended license to find some mo Purple Drank!

  108. trajanthe1st says: Mar 26, 2011 10:38 AM

    Back to the projects for this dumb ass , ghetto rat! “Purple Drank” ..really?
    How fu##cking stupid can a grown man be?

  109. realitypolice says: Mar 26, 2011 10:47 AM

    fortysixntwo says:
    Mar 25, 2011 2:58 PM

    So before anyone gets to criticising the guy, realize that he is deeply involved with a criminal organization, and probably one that would have no problem going after him and his family if he tried to get out, or to turn them in.
    ===========================

    And he got into this organization how? Was he forced? Just walkin’ down the street one day when someone walked up to him and handed him a gallon of Codeine and said “hey, guess what? You’re in a criminal organization now!”

    Or could it possibly have been his personal choice?

    Everyone is responsible for their actions. If you think someone shouldn’t be criticized for getting themselves tangled up in the kind of organization that would hurt your family if you tried to leave, that’s up to you.

    I personally believe that someone who had the means to make millions legitimately and chose to be a drug dealer should be criticized.

    Call me crazy.

  110. rtmus53 says: Mar 26, 2011 11:18 AM

    Real men of genius…….

  111. stellarperformance says: Mar 26, 2011 11:50 AM

    I miss the good old days when I could get interested in responding to Packer-haters on this site. It’s too easy to stay above all of that now…….now that the Packers are champions of the greatest sport on the planet. The insults and slurs all lead to the same question: As fans of the greatest team in the NFL, with the best venue, the best coaches, the best history, the best tradition, the best management, even the best uniforms….who do you think we would rather be……us……or you? I’m trying hard to keep from laughing with pleasure at the desperation and envy your ill-will represents. But keep trying if it makes you feel good (we’re not incapable of compassion for the less fortunate.)

  112. packerzman says: Mar 26, 2011 12:38 PM

    pervyharvin says:
    Mar 25, 2011 9:23 PM
    What else would you expect from a Packer loser? Clay likes juice. McCarthy likes cupcakes and Rodgers likes gerbils. Addiction is a beoitch!

    Oh PervyHarvin..
    wanna know another thing Matthews,McCarthy,Rodgers,everyone else on the roster and the entire Packer nation likes?…A SUPER BOWL TROPHY!! Something your band of trash talking POSERS you call a fanbase and your pathetic franchise know nothing about…now save yourself the embarrasment of trying to make some witty insulting comeback and go back to your moms basement…put on your Viking underoos…and replay the 4 Super Bowl losses and ALL the NFC Championship game losses AGAIN trying to finally figure out why your band of chokers cant win ANY game of significance.

  113. cameran0804 says: Mar 26, 2011 5:09 PM

    @packerzman your a clown!!!!!!!!!!!!

  114. mountaindont says: Mar 26, 2011 8:29 PM

    Hey Johnny GOOD LUCK WITH THE VIKINGS !!

  115. mountaindont says: Mar 26, 2011 8:34 PM

    . Why the Vikings are the most inept team in professional sports history

    ** 4 Superbowl losses

    ** 5 straight losses in NFC Championship games

    **Gary Anderson who had just completed the first perfect regular season in NFL history (not missing a single extra point or field goal attempt the entire year), missed a 38-yard attempt with less than 2 minutes remaining in NFC championship game that most likely puts Vikes in Superbowl in 98.

    **in 2003 Arizona’s last second touchdown on 4th and 28 against Vikings eliminated Vikings from playoffs. The moment of Arizona’s touchdown was actually the first moment the entire season in which the Vikings hadn’t led their division. The Vikings became the second team in football history to miss the playoffs after getting off to a 6-0 start

    **The “Hail Mary” pass Drew Pearson caught against the Vikes in 75 NFC championship to give Dallas the win in the final minute.

    **Jim Marshall’s wrong way run

    **The Herschel Walker trade in which Vikings gave Dallas three 1st rounders, three 2nd rounders, plus a 3rd and a 6th rounder in addition to 5 players. Walker lasts only 3 seasons in Minnesota
    ** In 1999 the Vikings select Michigan State Defensive end Dimitrius Underwood with the 29th overall pick. Underwood spent one day in camp and walked out. It was eventually shown Underwood suffered from mental Illness. The ineptness of the Vikings comes into play because his coaches at Michigan State warned NFL scouts that he was not mentally stable enough to play in the NFL.
    .
    **Vikings despite being favored, The Vikings lose 41-0 in NFC championship game in 2000.
    **Green Bays Antonio Freeman makes one of the all time great miracle catches in overtime to defeat Vikings in 2000
    **2003 In yet another move of ineptness the Vikings are on the board in the first round of the 2003 draft with the 7th overall pick. The Vikings missed the deadline to make the pick. Meanwhile, the two teams immediately behind Minnesota on the board Jacksonville and Carolina rushed their cards to the podium in New York and made their picks before the Vikings.
    ** With 19 seconds remaining in the 2010 NFC Championship game the Vikings call a timeout on 3rd and 10 at the Saints 33 yard line. They had one timeout remaining, so the smart money was on them running the ball and hoping to gain four to five yards — thus setting up an approximately 45-yard field goal as time expired to win the game. On that next play the Vikings are penalized for 12 men in the huddle. The penalty pushed them out of FG range and most likely cost them a trip to the Superbowl. See below for nail in the coffin on the next play
    **2010 Favre`s 4th down 4th quarter interception with seconds remaining vs Saints in NFC championship puts New Orleans in Superbowl.
    * Between 1986 and 1990, nine Vikings were arrested for drunken driving, and receiver Buster Rhymes was treated for cocaine dependency.

    * In 1988, citing “overwhelming negative response” from the public, the Vikings released convicted sex offender Mossy Cade.

    * In 1994, Joey Browner is charged with third-degree rape in Minneapolis. Charges are later dismissed.

    * In 1995, running back Keith Henderson pleaded guilty to three counts of fourth-degree criminal sexual conduct.

    * 1995, Star Minnesota Vikings quarterback Warren Moon is arrested in Houston and charged with misdemeanor assault after he slapped his wife, choking her “nearly to the point of unconsciousness.” Moon is later acquitted after his wife refuses to testify. A few months previously, Moon had been charged with sexual assault by a Vikings cheerleader in a case that was settled out of court.

    * That year, Moon allegedly struck his wife in the head with an open hand and choked her to the point where she almost passed out, according to police in Missouri City, Texas.

    She did not press charges and, although the case went to trial anyway, Moon was found not guilty.

    * In 1995, the Star Tribune reported that the Vikings paid $150,000 to head off a sexual harassment suit against Vikings assistant coach Richard Solomon, coach Dennis Green’s closest friend on the staff.

    * In 1996, James Harris, Minnesota Vikings defensive end, pleads guilty to third-degree assault for beating his wife.

    * In 1999, safety Orlando Thomas was disciplined by the NFL after pleading no contest to the misdemeanor charge of simple battery on his wife.

    * In 2002, receiver Randy Moss knocked a traffic cop to the ground with his car, then was charged with drug possession. He later reached an out-of-court settlement with the officer.

    * In 2002, two women claimed to be sexually assaulted at the team’s Arctic Blast fundraiser.

    * In 2004, linebackers E.J. Henderson and Michael Nattiel and tight end Steve Farmer were arrested after officers said they saw the players assaulting a man outside the Tabu nightclub in Minneapolis.

    * In 2005, running back Onterrio Smith was suspended by the NFL for a year for violating the league’s substance abuse policy, two months after being caught at an airport with The Original Whizzinator, a kit designed to circumvent drug tests.

    * Also in 2005, coach Mike Tice was fined by the NFL for scalping Super Bowl tickets, and defensive tackle Kevin Williams was arrested on charges of domestic abuse.

    * Wide receiver Kelly Campbell driving a stolen SUV high with a stolen and weapon, with 16 grams of marijuana

    * Daunte Culpepper’s SUV involved in drug arrest

    * Former running back Ted Brown was indicted by a Mille Lacs County grand jury in late 2003 on first-and third-degree criminal sexual conduct charges after an incident at a team function on Lake Mille Lacs. He remains free on bail.

    Brown is charged in a February 2003 incident during the Vikings’ annual Arctic Blast event at Eddy’s Resort. Prosecutors allege that Brown forced sex on an intoxicated woman who was unable to consent.

    * Tommy Kramer DUI
    * Donald Igwebuike involved in drug trafficking
    * Robert Tate threatening to have the mother of his child beaten up by his cousin
    * Kenny Mixon not 1, not 2, but 3 DUI’s while with the team
    * Former Executive Mike Kelly getting a DUI going to bail out players at the Arctic Blast
    * Denny Green Sexual Harassment Allegations
    * EJ Henderson DUI
    * January 2011 Vikings De Everson Griffin being arrested 2 times within 3 days. He was Drunk in public and then 3 days later was tased by the police after trying to run away after being pulled over for suspicion of felony battery.
    * 2010 Vikings trade a 3rd round draft pick to Patriots for WR Randy Moss. Moss is cut 4 games later
    *Oh, yeah, that whole sex boat scandal too.
    * 2011 Vikings sign Johnny Jolly ??
    I`m sure there are things I missed but this is why

    I believe the Vikings are the most inept team Professional sports history

  116. packerbacker12 says: Mar 26, 2011 11:45 PM

    “Tell us again Packer fans how there are no Packer-turds…..Jolly, Underwood, Chmura, Rodgers, Favre, etc. etc…..there is no clean in the NFL or any professional sport for that matter.”

    Rodgers was never arrested, moron.

  117. packerbacker12 says: Mar 26, 2011 11:54 PM

    Am I really reading posts from Viking fans calling Packer players idiots? If I recall, one of the Vikings own was recently arrested on carrying a firearm whilst another one was arrested twice in not even a week span.

    So yeah you idiots have no room to talk.

  118. brewdogg says: Mar 27, 2011 12:57 AM

    @ mointaindont

    Is there some personal issue you need to have addressed?

    I just went back through the posts, thinking I must have missed something, but aside from pervy (who we all know is the Viking’s version of jimmysmith), the posts talking about Jolly and the Packers organization are from tags that I don’t recognize from Vikings threads. This leads me to believe that Vikings threads aren’t the only ones where certain Packers fans go talk s**t every time someone gets arrested.

    And yet you decide to list everything you can think of from the last 25 years that reflects poorly on the Vikings organization, and a couple from 40 years ago just to top it off.

    Because I don’t hold all Packer fans responsible for butt-hurt jagoffs like you, I won’t go back 40 years and detail every failure the Packers have on their record. i.e. a certain serial killer… But you might want to review it for yourself before you post something like this again, before somebody does. And it wouldn’t hurt to give Dr. Phil a call. Although I think his first question will be “Were you molested as a child by a woman with long, blonde, braided pigtails?”

  119. brewdogg says: Mar 27, 2011 3:46 AM

    For example, before you bring up Mossy Cade again, you might want to remember:

    http://articles.latimes.com/1988-10-27/sports/sp-410_1_mossy-cade

  120. brewdogg says: Mar 27, 2011 8:52 AM

    packerbacker12 says:
    Mar 26, 2011 11:54 PM
    Am I really reading posts from Viking fans calling Packer players idiots? If I recall, one of the Vikings own was recently arrested on carrying a firearm whilst another one was arrested twice in not even a week span.

    So yeah you idiots have no room to talk.
    ———————————————

    Actually, that is one of the tags I don’t recognize from Vikings threads. If he is a Vikings fan, he doesn’t post much. I could be wrong…..but don’t assume it is a Vikings fan.

  121. cameran0804 says: Mar 27, 2011 12:42 PM

    @mountiandont you put the same post on here once before, way to be original you clown!!!!

  122. packerzman says: Mar 27, 2011 4:08 PM

    cameran0804 says:
    Mar 27, 2011 12:42 PM
    @mountiandont you put the same post on here once before, way to be original you clown!!!!

    well well well…is that all you’ve got stored up in that miniscule little brain of yours is to call people CLOWNS and add a lot of exclamation points so everyone knows you’re reeeaaalllly mad and serious? Ive got news for you camerano804…all you are is the epitomy of what every Packer fan already knows about Viking fans like you..a mouth breathing maggot who comes to all the blogs and chats thumping their chests and running their mouths every 10 years when your team has the slightest bit of success…only to run back down to your moms basement clutching whats left of your brINT Favre bobblehead doll after your team does what it has done time after time after TIME…choke away every opportunity it has ever had at greatness.

  123. pluto62 says: Mar 27, 2011 7:59 PM

    jj has some talent on the d-line. too bad he’s a idiot and screwed up again. i was a big fan of his.

  124. revolution22 says: Mar 27, 2011 10:37 PM

    Not only can the guy NOT kick the Purple Drank habit, he seems to be amping it up! Way to throw away millions potentially, JJ. Well, his decisions will at least give us a bit more cap room. We don’t need him anyway. The proof is in the XLV.

  125. cameran0804 says: Mar 27, 2011 10:43 PM

    @packerzman you sound like you have been sipping on johns purple drink you greengay fudgepacker @ those are some pretty big words for a clown. I saved the exclamation points this time you clown

  126. rodgersequalsmvp says: Mar 27, 2011 10:47 PM

    See you later you Jolly fat piece of garbage. If you want to deal drugs, then go deal drugs, go sip on some purple drank with fat Jamarcus Russell, maybe sell it to a couple high school kids for their lunch money. Or, how about this…go to jail, go directly to jail, do not pass your urine test, do not collect a massive NFL player salary. Dip sh!t.

  127. sjoyner59 says: Mar 28, 2011 6:25 PM

    who cares

  128. juancorsair says: Mar 28, 2011 7:57 PM

    What an idiot. However, with a$$clowns like Mike Vick and Pacman Jones getting second (and third) chances to play, I doubt we have seen the end of Mr. Jolly in the NFL. However, I doubt we will ever see him again suited up in the Green and Gold.

    BTW: Any millionaire athlete who resorts to drinking “sizzurp” when they can afford the finest liquors on the market must have sub-70 IQ at best. Getting high by drinking codeine laced syrup is something you’d expect from high school kids and the hardcore street crowd. End of story.

  129. axespray says: Mar 29, 2011 4:53 AM

    heres my Dan Rooney Impersonation:

    “Mr Goodell, anything illegal that my players do is not a crime! they should not be suspended! I know that my organization is full of classless hacks! but they should have special treatment! think of the fans commissioner…the poor old little fans.”

  130. cypresshill says: Mar 29, 2011 10:47 AM

    O Johnny, you crazy kids, as Grandma always said as I was walking out the door, don’t be stupid I raised you better than that, yes Grandma I know, Johnny was stupid…

  131. sandiegosmith says: Mar 30, 2011 10:44 PM

    dempsey63 says:
    Mar 26, 2011 2:07 AM
    Somewhere, Justin Harrell is smiling…

    The Thin Green-and-Gold Line can do without Johnny Jolly. I’m not buying into the addiction theories, because Jolly appears to enjoy being known on the party scene as a distribution kingpin who can make others adore him by catering to their pursuit of happiness.

    Jolly reminds me of a guy who roamed the Paulsboro, NJ, truckstop during the mid-’80s calling himself “The Doctor”: “Coke…smoke…PCP… What’ll it be? I’m the doctor. Come see me!”

    He had his opportunity to throw himself on the altar of addiction martyrdom, but he instead chose to throw his friends under the bus a year ago by claiming that the codeine was theirs. This time around he has nobody else to blame, and the fact that one go-round with the Texas justice system didn’t scare him straight indicates that some meaningful prison time might be just the prescription for him.

    To those that argue that codeine is over-regulated in this country as opposed to Canada, fine: the Edmonton Eskimos are welcome to outfit this drug pusher in their faux-Packers uniforms.

    ___________________________________

    For the record, the Edmonton Eskimos began wearing Green and Gold in 1949 (adopted from the near by University of Alberta), one year prior to the Packers officially changing to those colors in 1950… I would submit that the Packers currently wear faux – Eskimos uniforms.

    Education is good…

  132. whatswiththehate says: Apr 1, 2011 7:19 AM

    So let me see, Erik Aignes have been doing drugs since before high school and enters the NFL and with at addiction and no one knows about. When the you sports folks finallyfind out about it there is no negative spin to his story but instead you want the world to feel sorry for him.

    Yet, every move the black athletes make seem monitored and reported back to sports media so you can then have this “here we go again” tone to your articles.

    I seriously would like to the extremely preoccupation of everything the black athletes do while the white ones continue to fly under the radar until they either confess or you feel like publically announcing that they got in trouble after the second or third time.

    I guess cause you know the truth about the society why more they many want to accept. All one has to do is read some of these postings vs, the ones about Erik Aignes to see my point.

    And what is even more funny and so obvious, is no one ever posted that Erik has thrown his football career away. If anything it’s the usual, “give the kid a chance” sympathy..

  133. brewdogg says: Apr 5, 2011 1:48 PM

    @ whatswiththehate

    a) You have me there, I was unaware that Eric Ainge had a drug problem. I’ll look in to that.

    b) The equantity he had suggests intent to distribute, making Jolly not an addict, but a dealer.

    c) It’s his second arrest for a quantity that would suggest intent to distribute. After the first, while his image and rep have taken a hit, I’m sure the Packers would have brought him back on, and while we Vikings fans (and many others) would have taken our shots at him and the Packers about it, ultimately he would have been judged from that point forward on how he conducted himself after his arrest. The second arrest for the same infraction changes that.

    Claiming racism over this issue is ignorant, and I would submit that any difference in perception or reality based or race is racism, including one that favors non-whites. For example, depending on where you live, imagine that that obnoxious young black guy strutting around shooting his mouth off was white. He is black, so other black men just brush him off, and white men just ignore him. What would happen if he was white? Can you honestly tell me that he would be ignored the same way that the black man was?

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