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League ramps up the P.R. effort

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At a time when the players are expressing concern regarding their ability to step out of their element and handle P.R. efforts and legal issues and business realities and other things unrelated to playing football, the NFL is applying the proverbial pedal to the metal.

The league’s labor propaganda website, NFLLabor.com, contains a post listing all the great things the owners did for the players.

Before the owners, you know, locked the players out.

In our view, the league has detected — as have we — the beginnings of cracks in the foundation of the players’ resolve.  The fact that lockout fund payments will begin roughly five months before game checks are missed suggests that plenty of players won’t be able to survive a lockout that lasts into the regular season, if they even can make it that far.

Still, it doesn’t mean that the league should be exploiting any actual or perceived weakness.  In the end, the two sides need to be happy with the deal that they do.  If the players end up taking the best package they can get simply because they’re sick of fighting, the underlying problem will remain, setting the stage for future labor strife.

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  1. commoncents says: Mar 30, 2011 1:44 PM

    The players are creating the negative PR themselves. I really did not think i would be on the side of the owners but the players brought this lockout on themselves.

  2. airraid77 says: Mar 30, 2011 1:44 PM

    SHOULDNT BE BE EXPLOITING? Like the NFPLA EXPLOITING the owners in court?
    THE OWNER DONT OWE THE PLAYERS ANY COURTESY at all. THE PLAYERS SUED THE OWNERS…not the other way around……and they have propoganda machine? what do you think you are for the owners?

  3. airraid77 says: Mar 30, 2011 1:46 PM

    Please stop the insanity!!!
    believe it or not the owners want to make money just as much as the regular guy. and should be allowed to.

  4. thewhitestguyhere says: Mar 30, 2011 1:47 PM

    How about he owners just realize that they got their rear ends handed to them in the last negotiation, and realize that they arent going to get back everything they lost after one contract. Start working towards a better agreement, but undertsand it’s going to take multiple contracts

  5. dgtalmn says: Mar 30, 2011 1:48 PM

    And the beat goes on…

  6. thewhitestguyhere says: Mar 30, 2011 1:49 PM

    How about he owners just realize that they got their rear ends handed to them in the last negotiation, and realize that they arent going to get back everything they lost after one contract. Start working towards a better agreement, but undertsand it’s going to take multiple contracts.

  7. nfl52 says: Mar 30, 2011 1:50 PM

    PFT always takes shots at the owners

    the players continue to say how they hate R Godell and how they are treated unfairly. i dont hear the owners saying how horrible the players are. the owners may talk about the good things they do, but i would too if my employees were going on tv shows and saying that i treat them like slaves.

    the players arent good at the PR thing? being good at PR has nothing to do with shooting at your sister boyfriedn, not paying your jewelry bill, getting arrested for all kinds of stupid stuff. why not try just being a respectable human being, then you donthave to worry about anything. i know its not all the players but the ones acting like that make it worse for all of them

  8. rpiotr01 says: Mar 30, 2011 1:54 PM

    “If the players end up taking the best package they can get simply because they’re sick of fighting, the underlying problem will remain, setting the stage for future labor strife.”

    Likewise, if the league accepts whatever deal because the courts set the parameters, we’ll be right back at it in a few years.

    If the league wins the April 6 ruling, I can guarantee they’ll back off the P.R. stuff and get down to business.

  9. nj22 says: Mar 30, 2011 1:54 PM

    The league has no need to step the PR. The players getting arrested everyday is all the PR they need.

  10. Deb says: Mar 30, 2011 1:55 PM

    Do the league’s efforts include persuading PFT to censor perfectly innocuous posts by those of us who openly sympathize with the players? Or is that just more business as usual on a site where on-topic, rational adult discussion containing no obscenities is now routinely censored for inexplicable reasons?

  11. firethorn1001 says: Mar 30, 2011 1:56 PM

    I’d ramp up negotiation efforts myself.

    Then again, I don’t have $9B so what do I know.

  12. Deb says: Mar 30, 2011 1:57 PM

    @airraid77 …

    Awww … bless those poor little owners. I didn’t realize they’d been prevented from making money just like the rest of us :roll:

  13. chapnastier says: Mar 30, 2011 2:00 PM

    Why is it called a “propaganda website”? I understand your traffic is at an all time low and you know 98% of your readers are pro-owners so saying stuff like this will force us to comment but there has to come a time when journalistic integrity comes into play. It is not propaganda if it is the truth. All their website does is tell the fans what they have done. Now if you look at the unions website, it is littered with nonsense that doesn’t even dignify being called propaganda.

    Since you the players said “we are at war”, the owners need to exploit every single one of their weaknesses. They could start by exploiting how the players walked away from the table… oh wait, they already did that!

  14. broncobeta says: Mar 30, 2011 2:03 PM

    Ah, the Slave Benefit Plan Package.

    Player benefits
    » Bert Bell/Pete Rozelle Retirement Plan
    » Second Career Plan
    » Supplemental Disability
    » Player Annuity Program
    » Group Insurance
    » Health Reimbursement Account
    » 88 Plan (Dementia)
    » Joint Replacement Plan
    » Drug Prescription Discount Card Program
    » Medicare Supplement Program
    » Vested Inactive Life Insurance
    » Severance Pay
    » Post Season Pay
    » Performance Based Pay
    » Injury Protection
    » Workers Comp
    » Pre-season Per Diems
    » Meal Allowances
    » Practice Squad Post-season Pay
    » Moving and Travel
    » Off-season & Rookie Orientation
    » Tuition Assistance Plan

    Sounds like a sweet deal. I just wish dying for your country was just as lucrative of a industry as the NFL, that way some of our soldiers overseas would comeback shell-shocked and penniless.

  15. PFTiswhatitis says: Mar 30, 2011 2:04 PM

    But Mike, why not put off today what can get done tomorrow (and reap the rewards too)?

  16. skoobyfl says: Mar 30, 2011 2:10 PM

    Greed gets you exactly where you don’t want to end up, which is the way this is heading.

  17. rsjem1979 says: Mar 30, 2011 2:14 PM

    commoncents –

    You apparently forgot about the owners threatening a lockout for TWO YEARS. Seems like the NFL PR operation has worked on you, since you blame the players for taking appropriate legal action to prevent what they’d been threatened with over and over and over.

  18. broncobeta says: Mar 30, 2011 2:20 PM

    The league doesn’t have to ramp their P.R. effort, the players are doing that themselves.

    See “Aqib Talib surrenders to police”

  19. nfl52 says: Mar 30, 2011 2:23 PM

    when the last agreement was signed, the players and owners agreed that if it wasnt working out for either party, that either party could opt out and redo the agreement. so they want to redo the agreement. there is nothing wrong with that.

    if the players wanted to opt out (everyone knows they wont with the deal they have) but IF they did. would all these people that love the players be mad at them for it? or u r mad only if the owners opt out?

    how bout the people that said the owners wanted the lockout cuz they got lockout insurance. now that you see that the players have done the same exact thing, are you saying the same thing about them?

  20. orbearider66 says: Mar 30, 2011 2:31 PM

    So, given you’re sometimes pretty obvious bias towards the players, would that make THIS the player’s propaganda site?

  21. bigd9484 says: Mar 30, 2011 2:38 PM

    God I hope they add negotiating the CBA to Madden 12!

  22. orbearider66 says: Mar 30, 2011 2:46 PM

    @rsjem1979 … what legal action? Do you mean deciding more than a year ago that they would decertify and then negotiating in bad faith?

    Just as it is fair for the players to openly discuss decertifying, it is okay for the owners to discuss locking the players out. The difference is that I think the owners were willing to actually honestly negotiate a new deal while the players were planning to decertify all along.

    For what it’s worth, I haven’t been won over by the NFL PR machine, I’m just literate and have read what both sides have been saying. I’ve read a lot on here and, despite definite pro-union coverage, I still think the players are wrong.

  23. CKL says: Mar 30, 2011 3:00 PM

    bigd9484 says:
    Mar 30, 2011 2:38 PM
    God I hope they add negotiating the CBA to Madden 12!
    ________________________________
    If they do, would De Smith have a “DIG IT” stick?

  24. nflfan101 says: Mar 30, 2011 3:01 PM

    Per PFT:

    “Still, it doesn’t mean that the league should be exploiting any actual or perceived weakness. In the end, the two sides need to be happy with the deal that they do. If the players end up taking the best package they can get simply because they’re sick of fighting, the underlying problem will remain, setting the stage for future labor strife.”

    Two points:

    1. Apparently, it is ok for the players to exploit any actual or perceived weakness of the owners, but not the other way around. Why not?

    2. You are right that both sides need to be happy with a deal. The owners are not happy with the last deal. The underlying economic problem set the stage for the current mess and now, the players will not even negotiate to see if the issues can be resolved.

  25. realfann says: Mar 30, 2011 3:08 PM

    If the owners had THAT good a case why do they need spend so much effort on PR?

    It’s like the story on the accounting, only those businesses with something to hide have a problem opening their books.

    Only folks in the wrong need to spend so much on PR.

    Just look at Jurry Jones: just an honest, open, average American businessman trying to make a buck or two in a bad economy.

    Yeah right.

  26. vetdana says: Mar 30, 2011 3:10 PM

    I am starting to see large cracks in the FANS resolve…..to keep supporting this charade !!

  27. realfann says: Mar 30, 2011 3:12 PM

    By the way: there’s also cracks appearing in the owners side.

    Both the Bears and Bronco’s have said they’ll open their books.

    Something “honest” Jurry Jones refuses to do.

    So three clubs will open books (these two plus the Packers). That’s 9% of the owners willing to play ball with the players.

    I think PFT should poll each franchise and ask if they’re willing.

  28. Deb says: Mar 30, 2011 3:30 PM

    How is this a pro-player site when my pro-play post has been repeatedly censored since last night? It doesn’t contain any obscenities or any profanity. It simply answers another commenter’s question. I know most of you have had posts censored for no reason, but this is getting ridiculous.

  29. 305phinphan says: Mar 30, 2011 3:31 PM

    @realfann

    If you went to your boss and demanded to see the companies books, what do you think he would say to you?

    Why is the NFL the only Monopoly in the United States where the workers (players) are getting a bigger piece of the pie than the CEO?

    The Owners need to stick to their guns, these players are starting to get outrageous with their contracts and demands.

    If the owners do not put a stop to this NOW we will see the 1st billion dollar contract for a player by 2020.

  30. dewalt2990 says: Mar 30, 2011 3:32 PM

    Everyone is losing.

  31. orbearider66 says: Mar 30, 2011 3:32 PM

    So 2 teams willing to show their books is an indication of cracks in the owners’ resolve? BTW … the Packers are obligated to show their books since they are a public company so I wouldn’t really count them.

    Given that the players have had to release their lockout fund five months early (before players start losing checks) tells me that they are desperate. If these guys haven’t been able to save the money that they were paid in Dec. / Jan., there’s no way they’re going to be able to survive five or more months on the lockout pay.

    I think the players are in big trouble and, if they are smarter than they’ve shown so far, they’d be running back to the negotiating table to try to work out a deal (while they still have some leverage) as fast as they can.

  32. rsjem1979 says: Mar 30, 2011 3:35 PM

    @orbearider66

    I’ve read what the NFL is saying, I just don’t happen to take it at face value.

    Fact is, with revenue sharing existing as a collectively bargained quantity, the onus is on the owners to justify that the players should take a smaller share.

    And it seems to me their interest in negotiating only ramped up once their TV security blanket was taken away. So I’m sorry I don’t believe they were sincere about negotiating “in good faith” as you put it, nor do I believe that they wouldn’t have locked the players out had they not decertified.

    We can go around in circles on this, but it’s the owners who opted out of the CBA, made an absurd initial offer, then got angry when the players didn’t accept their subsequent offer without specific documentation regarding their financial situation.

    The fact that people continue to side with billionaire owners who initiated this entire ordeal is baffling.

  33. rsjem1979 says: Mar 30, 2011 3:36 PM

    And just as a follow-up, the owners know the best deal FOR THEM would come at the negotiating table. They also seem pretty opposed to a legal solution – probably because they know they’re going to lose.

  34. stavreafavre says: Mar 30, 2011 3:40 PM

    All of this stuff almost makes me wish we were back in the days of the Brett Favre daily rumor off-season PFT. Almost.

  35. phelbin says: Mar 30, 2011 3:42 PM

    It’s fantastic how few fans support the players. If you paid attention to PFT, ESPN, Fox Sports, and every other major outlet, you’d think it was the other way around. Just goes to show that the news media doesn’t really get their audience as well as they think they do.

    I hope the owners get everything they want and more out of this lockout. The players are employees…generously-paid employees. They don’t share in the risk of the business, and shouldn’t be compensated additionally when the risk pays off. The game has grown because some very smart people have made some very good business decisions…the players had absolutely nothing to do with that. The players have ridden on their coat tails and now they’re demanding more money? Get the hell outa here!!

  36. Marv says: Mar 30, 2011 3:44 PM

    @realfann

    Unless one of the really powerfull owners (Jerry, Bob Kraft or maybe Irsay) is willing to open the books nothing will happen. The Bears and the Broncos really aren’t the teams/owners that matter the most here, nor do they have the power pull the power people over. The Packers are a special team, since they really aren’t the same kind of business the other teams are!

  37. orbearider66 says: Mar 30, 2011 4:07 PM

    Someday some labor professor is going to write a paper about how not to negotiate. Love em or hate em but the players have successfully decertified their way into a corner and are on the verge of losing all of their negotiating rights. Plus, if it is determined that they didn’t officially (emphasis on officially) decertify until after the CBA expired (and would have to wait six months to decertify) then they are officially screwed.

    Either way, I think the * organization is about to turn on itself.

  38. paperlions says: Mar 30, 2011 4:25 PM

    I love all of the hate for the players…..you know, the guys everyone tunes in to watch on Sunday. No one loves the NFL because of the owners, each of whom have made more money owning a team than even the wealthiest player will make his entire career, but everyone is on their side.

    The owners make more than the players (there are only 32 owners and over 900 players) and risk nothing, many are totally incompetent (Bidwell, Brown, Jones, Snyder, Adams, etc.) and each makes tens of millions of dollars/year doing nothing. I guess I’ll be on their side too; seems popular.

  39. tcdun says: Mar 30, 2011 4:28 PM

    Boy oh boy ,the writer of this piece is sure biased in favor of the spoiled brats that WALKED OUT of the negotiations .
    He calls the League’s web site a propaganda site ,even though the League is only posting the facts about the decent offer that they put on the table just before the players WALKED OUT and WENT ON STRIKE by decetification.
    Let’s recap…The owners made many concessions and made at least 8 offers that were improved over anything they had made before,and then the players inept leadership decided that instead of making some counter offers,as the owners expected,that they would GO ON STRIKE !
    Then AFTER the players WENT ON STRIKE,the owners retalitated by locking out the STRIKERS !
    Now all we hear on that “propaganda” site that the owners run is that they want to start the talks up again as soon as possible so a fair deal can be made to benifit both sides and the fans !
    And all we hear from the union is that they wish the League had not locked them out and are in court to stop the evil lockout ,LOL !
    Remember there was NO lockout and there would not have been a lockout,if the players had continued the talks and had not gone out ON STRIKE !!!

  40. realfann says: Mar 30, 2011 4:33 PM

    @305phinphan

    1. My business is public so the books are already available.

    2. If my business was private and my boss asked me to take a 20% pay cut because the companies profits were falling, I would ask to see the company books.

    3. If he refused, I would quit and go work for another company in a similar job. My pay with that other company would be set by me negotiating with my new boss. My old boss would have no say in what I would earn and what I would earn would be comparable to my current earnings.

    4. NFL players can’t do that. If they quit their current team (business) because of having to take a pay cut, they won’t be hired by another team (business) because all the teams are in collusion not to hire me.

    See the difference? In the NFL the owners operate under conditions that are illegal in my work.

    If the owners do stuff a player doesn’t like, the player can’t quit and go work for somebody else doing the same job he’s worked and trained to do for all his life since being a teenager.

  41. realfann says: Mar 30, 2011 4:34 PM

    @Marv

    My underlying point is that the cracks in the players ranks are no more real than the cracks in the owners facade.

    Sorry to be too subtle.

  42. realfann says: Mar 30, 2011 4:38 PM

    @orbearider66

    The players have been talking to the owners for two years. The offer from the owners hasn’t materially changed in that two years.

    The players are going to court to force the owners to start some REAL negotiations.

    Like in the 1980′s when the owners were forced to negotiate by the courts.

  43. realfann says: Mar 30, 2011 4:41 PM

    @phelbin

    And if you look at blogs around the country, you’ll find about two thirds of the real football fans support the players because it’s the owners that are taking games away from us.

    Plus who possibly could be a real fan of Jurry Jones or Dan Snyder??

    It’s only different on this blog and other high profile blogs because the owners are planting a bunch of stoolies making, for the most part, pretty dumb comments supporting Jurry Jones & his pals.

  44. tcdun says: Mar 30, 2011 4:44 PM

    Oh,for those of you who are ignorantly supporting the players…
    The CBA that just ran out had a clause in it that forced the League to give the union all the financial info they could ever want. The owners gave the info without complaint every year (an independently audited overview of the NFL as a whole and every team in general).
    Then in the negotiations that the union WALKED OUT of and went ON STRIKE,the owners offered even more specific info about each team and more on the overall League from any independent auditing firm the union and owners agreed on.
    The only thing was that the union would not be allowed to publish any of the info,under penalty of law . The union didn’t like that because what they want is dirt on all the owners so they can blackmail them into an agreement that they couldn’t get in fair negotiations.
    The players AND the owners really miss Gene Upshaw !!! D. Smith is a joke and the players are following this sleezy lawyer to possible ruin.
    To the players,FIRE the stubborn ambulance chaser and put a REAL nfl man in his place.

  45. Deb says: Mar 30, 2011 4:57 PM

    Gee, I’d love to comment further on this thread, but the censors won’t let me play today. Is this ProFootballTalk or ProFootballGag people with whom you don’t agree?

  46. Deb says: Mar 30, 2011 4:59 PM

    tcdun …

    You have no idea what you’re talking about, but I’m not allowed to comment further. Did someone say this is a pro-player site? Well, Mike forgot to tell the censors. They’re distinctly pro-owner. If you have a pro-player comment, you can’t publish it here.

  47. phelbin says: Mar 30, 2011 5:05 PM

    @realfann

    “Stoolies making dumb comments…planted by the owners.” Wow…really? Perhaps the aliens on the grassy knoll are consulting with the very-much-alive Elvis Presley, colluding with the owners on how they can turn the tide of public opinion against the downtrodden and misunderstood slaves (players).

    Come on, realfann! Join us in the real world and see that the issue is much more complex than the owners did the locking out, therefore they’re taking away the games. How about decertification before the expiration of the CBA? How about the NFLPA* not countering an improved offer by the league? They had their minds made up before they even pretended to negotiate. Why don’t you place any blame on them? I suspect that the facts are irrelevant to you, and you’d blame the rich guys simply because they’re the rich guys.

    @tcdun

    You’re exactly right. Even publicly traded companies aren’t required to disclose everything, nor should they.

  48. nfl25 says: Mar 30, 2011 5:46 PM

    deb
    i think that you should change ur name. it seems as though they are just doing that to you. maybe they think you are going to curse or something. my posts go through instantly.

    can we please stop the owner backers are planted to say these things? the truth is everyone i know backs the owners, but we are all 22-35. if you went on a website where younger people (13 to early very early 20′s) you would find most of them back the players. i am not saying its that cut and dry but the majority of young people back the players. this site tends to have older people on it (early 20′s on up)

  49. thumper00 says: Mar 30, 2011 6:03 PM

    @paperlions
    what the hell are you talking about? Do you really think the owners just sit and collect the money , PLEASE, you know NOTHING about making money, risking money on a business and expecting a return of that investment…….are you some nine year old on moms computer……In any business the OWNER loses if it fails , Players are employees and loose nothing if the team fails thay still get their paychecks…………

  50. airraid77 says: Mar 30, 2011 6:43 PM

    deb,
    put yourself in the owners shoes…Imagine having to pay somebody…..Then imagine them saying we want all the rewards and you take all the risk……..
    IF YOU HAVE ANY BUISNESS SENSE AT ALL, you cannot back the players……

    NFL25,
    Most of the so called younger generation doesnt realize what they are supporting…….But as they get older and they realize the trickle down effect of liberlism, and poor mouthing, they will switch…..Remember we won the last election…much to the liberals dismay.

  51. thefiesty1 says: Mar 30, 2011 6:54 PM

    The players resolve isn’t cracked, it’s broken after their unions sold them down the river by walking out on the meetings.

    Now there are about 1700 different view points from the players. A few waiting on the injunction, then they’ll cave too.

  52. Deb says: Mar 30, 2011 7:08 PM

    @nfl25 …

    The censors and I have not been playing nice today. But I’m not the only one. Plenty of people are complaining here and on other sites about deleted posts. I just complain really loud :lol: But it’s a random thing that has nothing to do with cursing. I’m not much for cursing, and they’ve blocked all the colorful curse words anyway ;)

    Your age theory doesn’t fit. I’m over 35 and solidly back the players. I know others on the site who are older than I am and feel the same. My views are shaped partly by my love for NFL history. I know how players were treated through the life of the league and what it’s taken for them to get where they are. And I understand that their piece of the pie supports past as well as current players.

    For whatever reason, PFT’s audience skews more to the political right, and the Tea Party movement is radically anti-union. That’s why many of these commenters are coming down so hard on the players. It has nothing to do with knowledge of these issues. Nationally, I think the players have more support.

  53. airraid77 says: Mar 30, 2011 7:26 PM

    DEB, You dont understand unions……
    UNIONS KEEP THE UNEMPLOYABLE employed…..
    The good worker gets the same as the bad worker in a union……
    The union drives up the the cost for the buisness owners, which drives down revenue for the owner which eventually leads to a state that is poor and a people that is totally state run…..think USSR.

  54. Deb says: Mar 30, 2011 7:52 PM

    @airraid77 …

    I don’t disagree with your characterization of unions. That’s certainly one negative aspect of a union shop. On the other hand, without unions workers were paid only a fraction of their worth, they received no benefits, they had no recourse against employer abuses. Workers died in workplace accidents as a result of unsafe equipment and conditions. Humane treatment of workers came only with union and government intervention. And that is especially true in the National Football League.

    The NFL is one union shop that does not force employers to keep bad workers. Most players never receive the bulk of their highly publicized contracts because the contracts are renegotiated, or they are cut or traded long before the original contract plays out. Unless a contract is guaranteed, a team can cut a player at any time and that’s it. The owners are profiting from tremendous stadium revenues that aren’t even part of the revenue packages they divide with players. The owners bid players to their current salary levels and are not losing money on the current CBA. They simply want to ensure they make a whole lot more going forward.

  55. thumper00 says: Mar 30, 2011 7:55 PM

    This is typical of the you owe me generation just like the people who think the goverment should support them………..
    As the older generation knows you have to earn your way through life, not just expect people to GIVE you something……………..

  56. commandercornpone says: Mar 30, 2011 9:17 PM

    well… of course the big bad owners smell blood in the water.

    and the players wont starve. they can always cave (oakley-ewing moments on cue?)… big bad he-men that they basically arent.

    or they could… GOD FORBID… GET REAL JOBS.

    i know…

    … THE HORROR… THE HORROR…

  57. commandercornpone says: Mar 30, 2011 9:28 PM

    i am probly older than most of yall and i bet on games primarily.

    do i like the owners – no.

    do i think the players and especially the union head are total jackasses – pretty much.

    a lot of people are having to take pay cuts these days. the players, in comparison, do not look very thankful, or committed to keeping all of their brethren employed. and like that basketball strike, the ones with the most to gain really wont lose much. the ones with the most percentage wise to lose, cant possibly gain much if anything.

    it is a rich players’ and union* mgmt decert.

    it is clear duh was aiming to decert a long time ago and drive to the court of his choice.

    i do not side with the union*.

    increasingly, the public and the players will see the union* as what it is – a totally separate entity out for itself.

    just like is happening all over the nation.

  58. Deb says: Mar 30, 2011 10:13 PM

    @commandercornpone …

    Hon, playing professional football is a real job. I guarantee you that if you went through the physical fitness regimen of an elite athlete and compared it with the typical day of the average office worker, you’d find the athlete puts in many more grueling hours as a rule.

    Studies have shown the typical office worker spends only about four hours of an eight-hour day actually working. The rest of the time is consumed by breaks, chats with coworkers, surfing the Internet, talking on the phone, going to lunch, daydreaming, etc., etc. I can’t stand Ochocinco … but do you know what it takes to maintain that body? And have you seen an NFL playbook lately? The plays are somewhat more complicated than they were when you played high school ball.

    The reason elite athletes earn what they do is because they’ve worked to condition themselves to a level other men can’t or don’t want to reach. That’s what makes them hard to replace.

  59. airraid77 says: Mar 30, 2011 10:19 PM

    deb,
    DEB, unions corrupt market value…..Look at california, michigan, and ny?
    In a free market, especially now a days, if your employer treats his workers bad, the good ones, go ones else where, the bad ones stay, and he just goes out of buisness.
    The unions didnt fix anything, the law just got enforced. which it should have been all along.
    YOU CANNOT DICTATE MARKET VALUE….Housing bubble? because everybody has the right to own a home even if they cant afford it. BOOOM! California union worker of the state? when you are paying otherwise 20 k a year employees as much as 15 times their worth? Your headed for bankruptcy. and this is where the nfl is headed….look up laffers curve.
    Wisconsin…..You can only raise taxes so much…..or if you are liberal get the 2010 elections. and if you act like a liberal as a conservative, you get 2008.
    While we are at it, I am still waiting for al gore to explain when he knew the sunami was going to hit japan, and when it was going to hit japan.

  60. airraid77 says: Mar 30, 2011 10:29 PM

    smartest thing i have heard you say yet…..
    MOST FANS HAVE NO IDEA how hard professional athletes work. And horrified to find out how the good one work at it.

  61. Deb says: Mar 31, 2011 12:04 AM

    @airraid77 …

    Thanks for finally agreeing with me on something! :) Look, I know there are issues with unions and with government regulation. But history has shown us that big business cannot be trusted to act responsibly toward workers or the public without oversight. I’m an ideological liberal, but I’m practical. The answer in most of these cases is somewhere down the middle.

    But the NFL is a different animal. The NFLPA can serve a positive role without creating those kind of problems, but both sides need to give. I think there are some personality issues here. De Smith strikes me as abrasive–really wish David Cornwell were in that position. And I wouldn’t trust Roger Goodell if he told me the sun was hot. If those two could be pushed to the side, I think some of the owners and players could work out an agreement.

    The biggest issue is that the owners need to be more forthcoming with the players about their long-term revenue concerns. I don’t think it’s so much about financial hardship today as it is about the amount of money they’ll be dividing 10 years from now. If the owners talk about how they want to invest future revenue in the league or in testing to improve player safety, I think they’ll get further with convincing the players to take less than if they keep BSing them about profits being down when they’re not.

  62. airraid77 says: Mar 31, 2011 9:27 AM

    listen deb, I dont trust big brother, certainly dont think unions are healthy. I will trust big buisness long before I unions or big brother.
    Lawyers suck….its a mistake the nfl and most buisnesses’s make. and they pay for it.
    The players need to understand that if they want their needs taken care of after football, then it needs to be taken out of their end of the pie…..But its insanity to think and to ask the owners to pay for your life after the age of 30………

  63. Deb says: Mar 31, 2011 11:20 AM

    @airraid77 …

    Ever hear of the Pinto. Ford had reports showing the Pinto would explode on rear impact. But they ran the numbers and decided it would be cheaper to pay off the families of those killed in the explosions than to redesign the car. That’s a true story. In my mind’s eye, I still see the face of a woman horribly burned in one of those explosions being interviewed about that decision. How does someone with a soul decide to destroy lives rather than fix a car because it’s cheaper?

    Through history, Big Business has repeatedly made the decision to put personal profits ahead of the lives and safety of human beings. They’ve willingly released poisons into communities and let workers labor in asbestos-lined buildings knowing people would contract cancer, they’ve worked small children in factories, owned real slaves. These practices continue today whenever businesses can get away with it. And where the practices have been discontinued, it hasn’t been because someone suddenly grew a conscience, but because a union or government regulator forced their hand.

    Government and union bosses can be just as duplicitous as business, that’s true. The love of money is the root of all evil, and absolute power corrupts. That’s why you have to keep constant watch over all these entities.

    The players are taking care of their future needs and the needs of past players out of their end of the pie. That’s a lot of men to receive benefits out of the players’ revenues. That’s why they want the owners to stop trying to shrink their portion at a time when revenues are growing by leaps and bounds unless they can show a good reason for doing so.

  64. airraid77 says: Mar 31, 2011 11:41 AM

    deb, its called enforcing the laws on the books…..its really simple. You dont need oversight, unions or any other of that crap to enforce the laws on the books.
    LOOK UP LAFFERS CURVE….this is the central argument to the owners case….they can only raise ticket prices and such so much before they price themselves out of buisness………
    The players much to their dismay, will be on well fare sooner than later……if the owners are forced to keep up the pace……
    The owners wont lose money for long, they will just shut down. They will not go broke for the sake of anybody. NOR SHOULD THEY HAVE TO.

  65. Deb says: Mar 31, 2011 3:00 PM

    airraid77 …

    Laws on the books. Uh-huh. First, how do you suppose those laws got to be on the books? Good ol’ liberal labor organizers, that’s how. People gave their lives fighting for workers’ rights in this country. Neither big business nor government just put those laws on the books. Second, a lot of money greases the hands of government lackeys to keep those laws from being enforced. That’s why you need oversight. Come on … you’re not naive. We had laws and rules and all that nice stuff when Ford was sending its little bombs on wheels out to roam the highways.

    I know about the Laffer curve, and understand the owners’ concern. That’s why I’m saying they should talk frankly with the players instead of resorting to some of the smoke-and-mirrors they pulled this season. Will all the players get it? No. But don’t underestimate the intellect of the players at the negotiating table. On the other hand, the owners are not on the verge of going broke. The Doomsday Scenario you’re painting is decades away. Both sides need to work toward center.

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