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Kolb contract could be trickier than trade compensation

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At this point, we’ve established the Eagles want to trade Kevin Kolb.  It also seems fair to say there will be a strong market for him, and it sounds like the Eagles should get a first-round pick in a potential trade.

Jim Trotter of Sports Illustrated points out that coming up with trade compensation would only be one part of a potential deal.

“Keep hearing that teams interested in Kolb are not scared of draft choice compensation,” Trotter writes.  “They’re scared of the contract Kolb wants.”

It’s a great point worth keeping in mind with any Kolb speculation.  Kolb may only be due $1.392 million this year, but what’s he going to want in a new contract?

Kolb got a signing bonus of nearly $11 million from the Eagles last year.  We figure the starting point for contract talks for any team that wants Kolb would be Matt Schaub’s six-year, $48 million contract from 2007 with the Texans.

It’s one thing to give up draft picks to clearly upgrade your quarterback depth chart.  It’s another thing to make that sort of investment, especially if you have to complete the contract quickly.

The lockout is working against Kolb.  Let’s say a team like the Seahawks or 49ers draft a quarterback in the first two rounds.  Will they want to give Kolb the deal he wants after that?

We ultimately think Kolb will be traded before the season.  But if the lockout doesn’t end until August, for instance, it’s going to be very tricky for teams to complete both parts of a deal for him.

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  1. cassrangers says: Mar 31, 2011 11:47 AM

    Well, if the Seahawks or 49ers draft a QB, they won’t even be trading for Kolb, so that’s not a crafty scenario to bring up….

  2. packerrube13 says: Mar 31, 2011 11:48 AM

    Please don’t compare him to Schaub. His career more closely resembles AJ Feeley. Thanks.

  3. nyctexan says: Mar 31, 2011 12:02 PM

    Watch Kolb be mediocre at best. I went to the week 17 game between he and the ‘boys… lets just say he didn’t do himself any favors.

  4. bigd88 says: Mar 31, 2011 12:05 PM

    Any team willing to trade a pick in the first 2 rounds for Kolb is certifiably, well… they would just be very VERY stupid.

  5. chillyp says: Mar 31, 2011 12:06 PM

    Who are these teams willing to trade a first round and pay a guy a huge salary who was beat out by a guy who got out of jail 2009? Look at it. Kolb had been an Eagle since 2007. He had a 2 year head start on Michael Vick in a system that has stayed the same during his whole career. Woozers.

  6. lawboy2000 says: Mar 31, 2011 12:13 PM

    Two words: Rob Johnson.

    Johnson parlayed one start into 5-years, $25-million. And he played out 4 of those years.

    Now Kolb’s starting point is 6-years, $48-million with only 6 more starts?

    Buyer beware.

  7. zackd2 says: Mar 31, 2011 12:17 PM

    “Please don’t compare him to Schaub. His career more closely resembles AJ Feeley. Thanks.”

    And what was Schaub before the trade?
    84 for 161 (52.2%) 6 TD 6 INT over 3 years.

  8. andyreidisfat says: Mar 31, 2011 12:17 PM

    packerrube13 says: Mar 31, 2011 11:48 AM

    Please don’t compare him to Schaub. His career more closely resembles AJ Feeley. Thanks.

    This is a really dumb statement coming from a PAck fan considering that the guy he really resembles the most is Arron Rodgers and we all saw how well he has played since he got chance.

    I think Kolb will do well as long as he goes to a good fit. And i would pay him the Schab deal right away as i think thats a discount considering that was years ago

  9. galvestontexans says: Mar 31, 2011 12:20 PM

    This guy is not even close to Schaub.

  10. steelerer says: Mar 31, 2011 12:31 PM

    @lawboy2000

    Thats was 13 years ago. cassell got 63 million for 6 years when he got a new contract.

    If a team traded for kolb now and got him to sign a 6 year 48 million dollar deal i actually think teams would be fine with it. thats 8 million a year for a starting qb thats less than about 20 other qbs in the league are making right now. If he ends up sucking the team would probably be able to get out from under the contract in 2 years. Think about what the stafford,bradford, and russell got before they even took a snap in the NFL. Im not saying any team should trade for him, but 6 years @ 48 million for a starter qb in the NFL today isnt that much.

  11. btowngetsdown says: Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM

    Its surprising that a team will draft an unproven QB early in the 1st round and pay that HUGE contract, but won’t give up a 1st round pick and a moderately high contract to a semi-proven QB that they really like. I’m not saying that Kolb is that good (haven’t watched him enough to make an educated assessment), but it seems like players in the league don’t get the same deal a team will give to an unproven rookie. (were Bradford or Stafford really that good?).

  12. backuppunter says: Mar 31, 2011 12:36 PM

    I’m sorry just because you’re Andy Reid’s pet for 3 years and you have looked good in a few games but looked bad in more doesn’t make you worth a big contract. I just hope none of my teams take him.

  13. gtmann says: Mar 31, 2011 12:38 PM

    Watch Kolb be mediocre at best. I went to the week 17 game between he and the ‘boys… lets just say he didn’t do himself any favors.

    Don’t forget Kolb was playing with our 2′s and 3′s against the Cowgirls 1′a

  14. Jay says: Mar 31, 2011 12:48 PM

    There is so little logic in this piece it baffles the mind.

    You say that teams will trade for Kolb but also draft for the future as well?

    Doubtful and implausible.

    You also say that they want him to be a starter but pay him 2nd string money.

    Let’s be serious. If they trade for Kolb and give him a shot at starting they’re going to have to pay him starting QB money.

    Otherwise they’re just renting him for a year and will be right back where they started.

  15. packerrube13 says: Mar 31, 2011 12:53 PM

    Andyreidisfat, How the bleep does he in any way resemble Rodgers? Rodgers was a first round pick that fell, Kolb was no where near the first round. AJ Feeley was an Andy Reid prospect who filled in for D-Nabb and had 2 300 yard games. Sound familiar? Exactly. Dolphins gave up a lot for the same thing, and look how well that worked out. Kolb has shown no track record for success. 2 games, that is it. Please explain how is liek Aaron Rodgers in any way. What an idiot Eagles fan…. A guy gets out of jail and beats him out for the job. Hilarious.

    If all of you pull up Feeley’s numbers with the Eagles, and Kolb’s, you will see my point. Until then, please don’t comment. Reid is a QB wizard, look what he made Vick into as far as a passer goes! Look what McNabb did after being away from Reid. Garcia? There are others too. Don’t be fooled by what Reid gets out of average QBs… Buyer beware.

  16. nfl25 says: Mar 31, 2011 12:57 PM

    kolbs stats in games he started and fisnished

    Loss-Saints
    61% 391yrds 2tds/3ints
    2of the ints were in the last minute when game was out of hand

    Win-Chiefs
    71% 327yrds 2td/0ints

    Win-Niners
    67% 253yrds 1td/0ints

    Win-Falcons
    79%-326yrds 3tds/1int

    Loss-Titans
    54% 231yrds 1td/2int
    both ints were last 2 minutes with game out of hand

    this is why NFL teams want him. obviously joe who delivers pizzas knows he sux though. he may not become joe montana but to say u know he sux is a little overboard

  17. nfl25 says: Mar 31, 2011 1:02 PM

    and you do realize that the game against the cowboys was k kolb and our bench guys vs the cowboys first team. its amazing we almost won. dalls didnt do themselves any favors winning that game, it cost them a couple spots in the draft. i was so happy the cowboys won that game

  18. nfl25 says: Mar 31, 2011 1:07 PM

    backuppunter

    you said
    I just hope none of my teams take him

    just how many teams do you have? and the people that say he sux, how many games have you watched him play?

  19. realfann says: Mar 31, 2011 1:23 PM

    Not sure what’s different about Kolb than any other player move.

    Contracts will have to be agreed before any free agent can be signed or any player be traded.

    If the season doesn’t start until August, there’s not much time to get it done before the games start.

    Not sure “tricky” is the correct word. These are no more tricky than any other contract negotiation except for the time factor.

    Actually might make them easier.

  20. seabreezes51 says: Mar 31, 2011 1:33 PM

    There are three teams in the NFC West that would become an instant contender for a playoff spot with Kolb.
    If one of them doesn’t make a run it will be a shocker.

  21. Jay says: Mar 31, 2011 1:37 PM

    @packerrube13 “How the bleep does he in any way resemble Rodgers?….If all of you pull up Feeley’s numbers with the Eagles, and Kolb’s, you will see my point. Until then, please don’t comment.”

    Let’s do just that:

    Feeley: 10-14, 143 yds., 71.4% 2 TD-1 INT; 86-154, 1011 yds., 55.8%, 6 TD-5 INT

    Rodgers: 9-16, 65 yds., 56.3%, 0 TD-1 INT; 6-15, 46 yds., 40%, 0 TD- O INT; 20-28, 218 yds., 71.4% 1 TD- O INT.

    Kolb: 17-34, 144 yds. , 50%, 0 TD- 4 INT; 62-96, 741 yds., 64.6%, 4 TD- 3 INT; 115-189, 1197 yds., 60.8%, 7 TD- 7 INT.

    I can totally see your point. How could anyone confuse Kolb with Rodgers when he clearly has a record more akin to Feeley.

  22. weaponx2020 says: Mar 31, 2011 1:52 PM

    Kolb has only started 6 meaningful games in his career. But in 2 of those 6 he was the NFL Offensive Player of the Week. The Eagles best win of 2010 was over the 13-3 Atlanta Falcons. Kolb started, threw for 330 yds and 3 TDs, and clearly outplayed matty ice.

    Not to mention he’s been groomed behind pro bowl QBs by two coaches with proven success of working with QBs in the NFL. Any impartial personell guy would take Kolb over a LOT of current nfl starters (Schaub, mcnabb, campbell, palmer, henne, fitzpatrick etc etc). Way more polish than any rookie, and more upside than any other free agent veteran.

    Chippyp, he got concussed week 1 against the super bowl champs, and Vick came on the field and almost single-handedly came back to beat them, then went on to win 7 of the next 8 games he started. If anyone saw Vick play in 2010 with their own eyes (6 Tds and 59 points on monday night anyone?), knew he flat out took the job. had nothing to do with kolb’s performance

  23. Deb says: Mar 31, 2011 2:15 PM

    @chillyp …

    It’s not fair to slam Kolb for getting beat out by Vick. Although I wasn’t big on Atlanta’s offense and wasn’t a Vick fan, I cried a bucket when learning of his arrest because it was so horrific and such a stupid waste. The guy is a phenomenol natural athlete who stayed in shape, already had several years as a starting QB under his belt, and was mentored by Dungy and McNabb. No matter what anyone thinks of him personally, he could easily have beaten out many of the starting QBs in the league.

  24. tombrookshire says: Mar 31, 2011 2:51 PM

    Eagles seem to ge the first part right, getting good value for players they get rid of, but not the second part, getting an even better player or two in return. They stink at evaluating high round talent and high $ free agents. They tend to get free agents from the bottom of the barrel and then are surprised when their genuises of a coaching staff can’t seem to do anything with them. The players they get in the higher rounds of the draft, which are usually linemen are journeyman types at best, with a single exception. Count on the Eagles to squander anything they get by getting rid of Kolb, who will sort of the Palmer or Shaub type of player. Won’t kill you with mistakes, but not guy who will put the team on his shoulders for you. Even McNabb did that for them for a number of seasons.

  25. bluefan204 says: Mar 31, 2011 2:56 PM

    Why? Seriously, why all the hype over this guy? He has started what…..5 total games in 4 years? Anyone who gives up a 1st round pick for this untested hype machine should have his damn head examined. He hasn’t shown anything that would indicate that he’s worth a 1st and big money. Yeah, he was a 2nd round pick, but so was Quincy Carter and Jake Plummer, and look how those stories went.

  26. josefromvictorville says: Mar 31, 2011 3:02 PM

    For a ‘veteran’ he has horrible pocket presence. He needs to be in a WCO system. Otherwise he’ll be eating dirt all day.

    Anyway he’s staying where he is. Jaboner Jackson of footballphds said that the Eagles want to see what kind of durability Vick has in a full season as starter. No rush trading him.

  27. theo547 says: Mar 31, 2011 3:05 PM

    Jay says:
    Mar 31, 2011 1:37 PM
    @packerrube13 “How the bleep does he in any way resemble Rodgers?….If all of you pull up Feeley’s numbers with the Eagles, and Kolb’s, you will see my point. Until then, please don’t comment.”

    Let’s do just that:

    Feeley: 10-14, 143 yds., 71.4% 2 TD-1 INT; 86-154, 1011 yds., 55.8%, 6 TD-5 INT

    Rodgers: 9-16, 65 yds., 56.3%, 0 TD-1 INT; 6-15, 46 yds., 40%, 0 TD- O INT; 20-28, 218 yds., 71.4% 1 TD- O INT.

    Kolb: 17-34, 144 yds. , 50%, 0 TD- 4 INT; 62-96, 741 yds., 64.6%, 4 TD- 3 INT; 115-189, 1197 yds., 60.8%, 7 TD- 7 INT.

    I can totally see your point. How could anyone confuse Kolb with Rodgers when he clearly has a record more akin to Feeley.

    ===============================
    Your compairing Feeley and Kolbs first 3 seasons behind fragile McNabb to Rodgers first 3 behind Brett Favre…. Im not going to go fan boy on you but, seriously who got better playing time?!

    Kolb will most likley be a good QB but he has a long way to go for anyone to compare him to Rodgers.

    PS the guy who said anyone would take Kolb over Schaub – Your on crack – wake up – proven vs. unproven has nothing to do with talent – ask Aliki Smith.

  28. chillyp says: Mar 31, 2011 3:08 PM

    I hear your arguments, but I still don’t think Kolb is worth that much. He was drafted in the Second round and has only played in a few games. The only game he was truly impressive was the Atl game. I just don’t see how his stock has improved to a 1st rounder. Maybe its just me…

  29. kellyb9 says: Mar 31, 2011 3:21 PM

    @steelerer – Cassel isn’t a great comparison. I don’t think he’s worth that level of compensation given his track record. Cassel played a full season almost taking his team to the playoffs, (with 11 or 12 wins). Kolb hasn’t come close to that, and in my mind, has some injury concerns.

  30. thefiesty1 says: Mar 31, 2011 3:21 PM

    How are the Eagles going to trade Kolb before or during the draft with the lockout still in place. Some team that could use him is going to wait until after they’ve drafted a QB. I think NOT.

  31. rcali says: Mar 31, 2011 3:37 PM

    Just think if he was going #1 in the draft. He’d want double what Schaub got.

  32. Deb says: Mar 31, 2011 3:39 PM

    @chillyp …

    Now I’m with you there. He’s looked good in a few starts, but there’s just not enough to go on. Someone mentioned Rob Johnson and that may be a good comparison. Glad my team isn’t searching for a QB.

  33. nfl25 says: Mar 31, 2011 3:39 PM

    its not that diffcult to compare stats. here is kolbs first few games and rodgers first few games. also whoever said aj feeleys had a few 300 yeard games for the eagles should check the stats, he has never had a 300 yerd game for the eagles. he had one 300 yard game in his career and it was for the fins. i didnt include aj feeleys stats cuz they are not good at all

    KOLB STATS

    Loss-Saints
    61% 391yrds 2tds/3ints

    Win-Chiefs
    71% 327yrds 2td/0ints

    Win-Niners
    67% 253yrds 1td/0ints

    Win-Falcons
    79%-326yrds 3tds/1int

    Loss-Titans
    54% 231yrds 1td/2int

    RODGERS STATS

    69% 201yrds 1/0
    53% 65yrds 0td/1int
    81% 178yrds 1td/0int
    63% 328yrds 3td/0int
    56% 290yrds 0/0
    51% 165yrds 2/3

  34. seabreezes51 says: Mar 31, 2011 3:44 PM

    thefiesty1 said : Mar 31, 2011 3:21 PM

    How are the Eagles going to trade Kolb before or during the draft with the lockout still in place. Some team that could use him is going to wait until after they’ve drafted a QB. I think NOT

    ————

    There are only a few QB’s in the draft that may help a team from the git go. There are a dozen teams in need of a starting caliber QB
    Do the math.
    That’s not going to change after the draft. There will be a market for him until the season starts, if it does start.

  35. nfl25 says: Mar 31, 2011 3:48 PM

    DEB

    i cant remember where we were talking so i will say it here.

    i can tell you arent really young (13-21). but you are very rare on this site. most people on this site that back the players are emotional and by the things they say you can tell they are young. you. this is the only site i post on so i cant speak for those sites. people i know personally and at work all support the owners, none of them are under 22 though. im not saying i think u r immature or anything. just an observation of most player backers. you are not at all like them.

  36. firethewalrus says: Mar 31, 2011 4:29 PM

    If the team keeps Kolb as Vick’s back-up, it will play out in one of two ways:
    -          He stays for the year then walks away in Free Agency leaving the Eagles with nothing to show from first four rounds of the 2007 draft.
    -          He stays for the year, the Eagles let Vick walk next offseason, and Kolb is (once again) named the teams’ starter.
    Would Kolb be willing to wait another year for his shot at starting in midnight green? Would Eagles fans put up with another coronation of Kolb as starter?

    Fire The Walrus

  37. Jay says: Mar 31, 2011 4:53 PM

    @theo547 “Your compairing Feeley and Kolbs first 3 seasons behind fragile McNabb to Rodgers first 3 behind Brett Favre…. Im not going to go fan boy on you but, seriously who got better playing time?!”

    Define “better” when it comes to playing time. If you want to go strictly by games and games started:

    Feeley- 7 games, 5 starts.

    Kolb- 12 games, 2 starts.

    Rodgers- 7 games, 0 starts.

    Sure, Rodgers was doing cleanup behind Favre. The same could be said of Kolb before last year.

    The original point was that there supposedly is no way you could compare Kolb’s career to Rodgers before he became the starter for the Packers.

    My point stands that all three had reasonably comparable stats and careers up until Rodgers had his breakout season in 2008.

    Feeley never had his “breakout” season because he held the clipboard for Akili Smith in Oregon.

    Kolb has yet to put together a full season, so the jury should still be out on whether or not he’s a quality QB.

  38. melonnhead says: Mar 31, 2011 5:07 PM

    Don’t forget Kolb was playing with our 2′s and 3′s against the Cowgirls 1′a

    —————————————————-

    That’s because Kolb would be a 2 or 3 on virtually any team in the NFL. I mean come on we saw how he did with the Eagles 1′s early in the season, he got benched in favor of a convicted felon that hadn’t played in two years.

  39. Deb says: Mar 31, 2011 5:50 PM

    @nfl25 …

    Agree that Kolb’s stats look good for those six games … but it’s only six games. He’d probably be a better gamble than an incoming rookie for a team in desperate need for a QB.

    Oh there are a few older player-backers here. But I’m used to being in the minority. Always march to the beat of my own drum and never seem to be in step with the crowd :)

  40. nfl25 says: Mar 31, 2011 9:26 PM

    deb

    i know kolb is an unknown. but if you looked at what he has done, there is no way you can say he is horrible. if u look at his carrer stats they look horrible. but if you look at games he started, they are good. my argument is more that you cant say he sux, not that he is great. what u r saying is def the truth, 6 games is not enough. but he has shown that he can play, that why eagles should wind up with a 1st rounder. i would take that and run

  41. bluefan204 says: Mar 31, 2011 10:37 PM

    nfl25 says: Mar 31, 2011 9:26 PM

    i know kolb is an unknown. but if you looked at what he has done, there is no way you can say he is horrible

    —-

    No one said he was horrible, but a 1st rounder is one HELL of a huge, unrealistic price to pay for a guy that hasn’t done squat overall. Leave stats out of it because they don’t mean anything in this argument. Can he be good? Of course, but he can also turn out to be terrible, and no GM in their right mind should ever take that chance and still remain employed.

  42. pissondallas7 says: Apr 1, 2011 6:52 AM

    No matter if you think Colb stinks or not he is still by far the best QB option for alot of teams next year ,even better then the draft .

  43. oldbyrd says: Apr 1, 2011 5:25 PM

    Want the bottom line??? No one coming out is setting the league on fire as a sure shot…Thats good for Kolb. He has had some very good games. Also player of the week,,,weeks.

  44. nfl25 says: Apr 1, 2011 10:42 PM

    bluefan204

    if u read the other posts there are a bunch of people saying he is horrible. i hear that all the time about kolb. i think stats do help in that argument becasue most peope that say he is horrible havent watched him play. i have seen every game he has played. i am not saying he will be joe montana but i do think what he has done so far has been pretty good. that being said if i were the egales i would take a 1st rounder and run. but if you say he hasnt done squat and nobody should give 1st rounder, then what has cam newton, mallet, locker, gabbert done? but u would use a 1st rounder on them?

  45. nfl25 says: Apr 1, 2011 10:44 PM

    bluefan204

    “Can he be good? Of course, but he can also turn out to be terrible, and no GM in their right mind should ever take that chance and still remain employed.”

    so how on earth do you get through a draft as a GM?

  46. phillychzstk2012 says: Apr 10, 2011 9:36 PM

    for all those basing their judgement off of the WEEK 17 game against the Cowboys..why havent you mentioned the fact that he played with next to NO STARTERS. The impact players were resting so “essentially” kinda like a 2nd team offense pitted against a mediocre 1st team defence. Kolb is worth everything that people say hes worth. A first rounder and more. If he has a strong group of weapons to throw to and hand the ball to, then he can win games.

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