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Picks can’t be traded this year after they’re used

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In 2004, the Chargers drafted Eli Manning with the first pick in the draft.  Three spots later, the Giants picked Philip Rivers.  Eventually, the players were traded, with the Chargers getting some extra stuff including a 2005 first-round pick that was used to acquire Shawne Merriman.

This year, picks may not be traded after they are made, if the lockout has not ended.

“The Manning-Rivers type of trade cannot happen this year due to the lockout rules,” NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told PFT via e-mail on Friday.   “A trade at this time can involve only draft picks.   Once a pick is made, the player cannot be traded (or signed) until a new league start begins.  No player transactions are currently permitted.”

Future draft picks may be traded as well.  Chris Mortensen of ESPN reported last month that the league has informed teams that any team that gives up a 2011 draft pick for a future draft pick does so at its own risk, given the chance that the Tom Brady antitrust lawsuit will result by next April in a ruling that the draft is illegal.

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  1. mataug says: Apr 1, 2011 8:35 PM

    unless there is a new CBA before the draft ?

  2. panther17 says: Apr 1, 2011 8:37 PM

    If the draft is ever ruled illegal, it would kill the NFL.

  3. Patriot42 says: Apr 1, 2011 8:53 PM

    Whoa is me. Everything is going to h***l in a handbag. Whenever the players go broke they will be back. The ones that went through their money blowing it on fancy cars and giving them to their homeboys.

  4. connie75 says: Apr 1, 2011 9:06 PM

    That pic is hilarious. “Daddy I don’t WANT to go to San Diego! Daddy do something!”

  5. nobledictator1278 says: Apr 1, 2011 9:12 PM

    How can a draft be illegal. The way I understand it, these players do not have to sign with the team that picks them. As long as thats a option I don’t know how it is illegal.

    If it is their wish to play in the NFL, then they have to follow NFL rules, in this case, players are picked by a team and only that team may sign them for a year. That’s the rules of the league that these players wish to play for. Nothing is forcing them to play in this league. That’s why players can be drafted and never report to camp rather go play baseball or basketball or whatever it is they do.

    Seems like a stupid lawsuit and a waste of time to me.

    This is what I don’t get about the entire thing, the players are opting to play in a league, they don’t have to if they don’t wish. They could take their talents elsewhere should they wish to do so until they sign a contract stating contrary. I refuse to believe their was a gun to their head to sign that contract.

    I really want to hate whitey here and stick it to the man, but I don’t understand how these players have any gripe, when they voluntarily sign these contracts, if they can get better terms elsewhere then do so. But they have to understand that the NFL is a league, and has its own sets of rules that the 30 clubs agree to abide by. If in those rules it says that certain clubs have certain rights on players they draft that is the rule of the NFL, and something these players are willingly opting for.

    Makes no sense to me.

  6. profootballwalk says: Apr 1, 2011 9:18 PM

    “Patriot42 says: Apr 1, 2011 8:53 PM

    Whoa is me. Everything is going to h***l in a handbag. Whenever the players go broke they will be back. The ones that went through their money blowing it on fancy cars and giving them to their homeboys.”

    More from the never-ending supply of PFT racists.

  7. Kave Krew says: Apr 1, 2011 9:53 PM

    They can’t trade immediately after the draft without a CBA, but can they and would they hold on to that pick until the CBA is in place?

    I mean, until the CBA is signed, no draft pick gets signed, no draft pick gets into the playbook, etc….so what is the difference between a draft day trade and an August trade?

  8. realitypolice says: Apr 1, 2011 9:54 PM

    nobledictator1278 says:
    Apr 1, 2011 9:12 PM
    How can a draft be illegal. The way I understand it, these players do not have to sign with the team that picks them. As long as thats a option I don’t know how it is illegal.
    =====================

    I don’t know what you do for a living. But let’s just say you were an accountant.

    Imagine if every accounting firm in America joined together and had a draft for new accountants coming out of college.

    Now imagine you were from Miami and got drafted by an accounting firm in Des Moines, Iowa.

    And you said, “I don’t want to move to Des Moines”. So they said, “that’s fine, don’t go. But you won’t be allowed to work at any other firm anywhere in the country for at least a year”.

    It’s easy to say that these guys don’t have to sign with the team that drafts them. But the NFL is a monopoly- these players have no other option to make a good living playing football other than to go to the NFL.

    I don’t expect the average fan to be able to relate to NFL players. But it isn’t fair to deny them rights you and I take for granted, no matter how jealous you are about how much they make.

  9. brewdogg says: Apr 1, 2011 10:03 PM

    profootballwalk says:
    Apr 1, 2011 9:18 PM
    “Patriot42 says: Apr 1, 2011 8:53 PM

    Whoa is me. Everything is going to h***l in a handbag. Whenever the players go broke they will be back. The ones that went through their money blowing it on fancy cars and giving them to their homeboys.”

    More from the never-ending supply of PFT racists.
    ————————————-

    Why, because he said “homeboys”? Please…. Here’s one for you:

    I’m sure you have seen those little sheets of paper where they ask you to identify your ethnic heritage. Did you ever pay attention to those?

    African-American
    Latin American
    Native American
    Asian-American
    White

    Damn it, I’m not white, I’m European-American!!!

  10. paulbrownsrevenge says: Apr 1, 2011 10:04 PM

    white guys blow money on crap to, or they turn into ryan leaf.

  11. promin1 says: Apr 1, 2011 10:06 PM

    @profootballwalk….Go F yourself. From the racists.

  12. johnnyshore says: Apr 1, 2011 10:07 PM

    The lockout won’t force me to stop watching the NFL, but the draft being ruled illegal probably would.

  13. thefiesty1 says: Apr 1, 2011 10:44 PM

    If you pick a kid in the draft thens tick with him. You should only be able to trade him if you can agree on a contract. Then make a trade for a pick next year.

    The pic of Eli and family was because he had told SD Not to draft him. I don’t blame him or his family.

    This year should be interesting when Cam’s daddy doesn’t approve of where or who drafts him. Then we’ll really get the the slavery issue and race card being played.

  14. promin1 says: Apr 1, 2011 10:49 PM

    Gotta love this country now. The word racist is thrown out for every and any instance now. God forbid someone criticize a black person in any way, they are instantly called a racist. Its hilarious. All the guy said was “homeboys” and here comes Johnny soap box to the rescue to start throwing out the racist label. Freedom of speech idiots. We can have opinions on anyone and anything whether you like it or not.

  15. deljzc says: Apr 1, 2011 11:02 PM

    Last time the players sued over anti-trust issues (like the draft and free agency and such), Judge Doty called together Tagliabue and Upshaw and told them how he was going to rule BEFORE doing so (he was going to be forced to rule in favor of the players).

    He told them to work it out before he did that and ruined the whole structure of the NFL (which Upshaw KNEW would ruin football long term and cost the players money).

    That’s when Upshaw and Tagliabue finally got the 1993 CBA deal done.

    I suspect there will never be an official ruling on the lawsuit (only the injunction is up for discussion on April 6th). That the judge will encourage the parties to work it out before it ever gets to that.

    There is no doubt the professional sports model is illegal under current labor law. Just because it works for the benefit of everyone doesn’t make it legal. But neither side really wants to blow it up. It’s just the THREAT of blowing it up that creates leverage for the players.

    deljzc.blogspot.com

  16. reuben4boston says: Apr 1, 2011 11:02 PM

    Realitypolice, your example fails because it is two completely different payscales. It’s not because we are just lowly workers, it’s because players, while they are drafted to a city that is not their choice, they are fairly compensated for that move. In your scenario, for all things to be equal, that accountant would have to make enough to afford the move, or at least have enough money guaranteed in the form of a contract to easily cover the costs. If we adopt a better payscale for an accountant, say, a basic six figure salary, at the very minimum of 100,000 dollars, no person on here would say that they don’t want to move to Des Moines. That small difference kills your example. If there was a minimum salary that was well beyond most jobs, the issue you raised is moot.

  17. dmazzott says: Apr 1, 2011 11:14 PM

    I’m white and I have homeboys… I just don’t buy them cars and watches. Is that racist?

  18. indyeagle says: Apr 1, 2011 11:15 PM

    Reality,

    Your example is kind of close, but not really. NFL players have many different options to play football. The CFL, UFL, Arena, etc….

    They can freely go play in any of these leagues and choose not to play in the NFL.

    To stick with your example of assuming someone is an accountant:

    You graduate from school and have an offer to work for a large accounting firm that pays you $1 million a year. The downside is that you have to move to France. Or, you can go work for a smaller firm in your hometown for $60,000 per year. The choice is yours, however, if you choose to run with the big dogs, you have to go where they tell you, when they tell you and how they tell you.

    The NFL is no different. Go play in the Arena league if you don’t want to move to Buffalo.

  19. ttommytom says: Apr 1, 2011 11:17 PM

    If the draft becomes illegal then this League will revert to the pre draft days of baseball. Players will sign with the handful of teams that have the most money or better stated, want to spend the most money.

    The Seahawks owner has Microsoft stock money to burn. Or the big market areas who always make big money. Parity is the best thing for pro football and everyone knows it. Some owners with money do NOT want to spend it (thus the salary floor). Anyone think Cincinnati could even field a professional team?

    The lawsuit will not win because no one wants it to win. This will be settled sometime before that type of court ruling.

  20. nightman13 says: Apr 1, 2011 11:22 PM

    @Patriot42

    I believe you meant “woe is me” not “whoa is me.”

    Well unless you are Joey Lawrence.

  21. schemefactory says: Apr 1, 2011 11:29 PM

    i’m sure the vikings will still find a way to F this up.

  22. 1historian says: Apr 1, 2011 11:41 PM

    Strictly speaking the draft IS illegal – athletes should be able to go to work wherever they want just like anyone else.

    It would be funny if it were declared illegal – the excrement would truly hit the air circulator BIG TIME.

  23. lostsok says: Apr 2, 2011 1:51 AM

    @profootballwalk is right. There ARE a lot of racists on this board (and in this country). Most are white, but as we learned from Warren Moon this week, many are themselves minorities.

    It’s not hard to tell them. They tend toward broad generalizations. For instance, Nnamdi Asomugha is universaly regarded as one of the nicest people in sports, let alone football. He’s a highly intelligent man who not only spends his own money but donates his valuable time to many worthy causes.

    Yet…when discussing players and money…it’s not Nnamdi that people refer to, but some anonymous (and clearly black) player giving “to his homeboys.”

    Sorry, but that most certainly IS a racist comment.

    I guarantee that there have been as many dumb white players that spend money on strippers and cars as black players, just as there have been both a Dan Marino or a Nnamdi Asomugha to provide the exception to the rule.

    The key here is not skin color but what is UNDER the skin. Arrogance is arrogance, whether it is Ryan Leaf acting like he should be in the Hall of Fame before he throws his first pass, or Cam Newton with his OBVIOUSLY phony smile, the results will be the same. Stupid is as stupid does.

  24. TIM says: Apr 2, 2011 2:25 AM

    The CBA has a clause in it that allows a draft. Of course if there is no union and no agreement that the union signed,then the draft IS illegal.
    BUT …the union decetification is a sham,as we all know and besides that there will be NO football until a CBA is signed and therefore there will be no team trying to employ any of the rookies until those rookies and all the players (union) have agreed to go by the CBA (which allows the draft)instead of Federal law.

  25. 8man says: Apr 2, 2011 8:26 AM

    @profootballwalk:

    I prefer the term bigot. It’s not that I think I’m better than someone different than me, it’s just that I don’t like anyone different than me…

  26. dkeyser says: Apr 2, 2011 9:12 AM

    @ RealityPolice…

    You make some good points but there are some things you’ve overlooked. The NFL is the only pro football league in the world that is worth anything. All the other pro sports have teams that a kid can go to if they are drafted and do not want to play for the team that drafted them. Hockey players can go to Europe, as can basketball players. Baseball players can go to Japan. Now having said that, when a kid works his entire life to play professional football, he is basicly saying that he will play for the team that drafts him. Other than Eli Manning that is..
    Now you used accounting as an example. Now if there was some sort of well established accounting league well before you were born and all you wanted since you could remember was to be an accountant, then you worked your way through high school and did well in college so you could be drafted in said league, and when you got drafted in said league and sent to Des Moines, you cant just say, “i dont wanna go there”. Well too bad. Those were the rules for the last 50+ years. You were well aware of the rules when you worked your butt off to be eligable for the draft. If you dont like the well established rules perhaps you should have commited yourself to another trade.. This may seem like a poor anology but Beggers can be choosers

  27. oldbyrd says: Apr 2, 2011 9:14 AM

    When the union gets done with this, it won’t even be called football. Just like they have been allowed to screw everything else up.

  28. 2009kenny says: Apr 2, 2011 9:53 AM

    Reality Police>>> how can you compare the NFL players to accountants? Pretty poor analogy if you ask me. Is there a minimum wage for accountants where the minimum was 325,000 dollars? There is a reason players can make that amount of money, it is because of the competitive balance which is made possible by the rules the league has put together and the draft is the primary one. Btw, the NBA, MLB all feature drafts which no one has challenged. Please, let’s be real

  29. juancorsair says: Apr 2, 2011 10:08 AM

    realitypolice says:

    I don’t know what you do for a living. But let’s just say you were an accountant.

    Imagine if every accounting firm in America joined together and had a draft for new accountants coming out of college.

    Now imagine you were from Miami and got drafted by an accounting firm in Des Moines, Iowa.

    And you said, “I don’t want to move to Des Moines”. So they said, “that’s fine, don’t go. But you won’t be allowed to work at any other firm anywhere in the country for at least a year”.

    The flaw in your argument is that the NFL is not the only professional sports league in the U.S. Players can opt to play for the UFL or the CFL if they wish. However, they would not be able to make quite as much money doing so.

    A more correct allegory to the NFL draft would be those people who join the Royal Canadian Mounted Police or the Ontario Provincial Police (and I would assume, the FBI or DEA). They are told where they work in Canada, Ontario and (if the FBI and DEA have similar rules) in the United States, with little input into the matter. Same goes for those who join trade unions and sit on the waiting list for job sites to report to, and if they don’t join the union they will have a hard time finding work as well. Of course, police officers, DEA agents and trade unionists don’t make quite as much money as the lowest-paid NFL player, either.

  30. packa7x says: Apr 2, 2011 10:17 AM

    @realitypolice

    Bad analogy.

    The NFL is only one football league…countless others in America–UFL, AFL, a whole bunch of minor leagues. A better analogy is…

    You get a job as a janitor and all you want to do is work with the guys who sweep the 1st floor, but your boss thinks you’d be a help upstairs sweeping those floors because there are enough sweepers on the 1st floor. Maybe after a year or two one of those janitors will leave and you can move down there.

    The NFL is not a monopoly. And why is it a RIGHT to play for the NFL? I’m a Sports Management major at a pretty well known school, when I graduate, I will not have the opportunity to work for an NFL team…or anything close to that. I will have to start with a semi-pro team and work my way up. There are barriers to entry in all professions.

    Nobody is forcing these guys to play pro football, that was their choice. The draft has been around since before their parents were born. Countless CBAs have been signed agreeing to it. All this is is a leverage tool. If they don’t like their working conditions, don’t sign the contract. John Elway didn’t want to play for the Colts so he played baseball. Eli Manning didn’t want to play for the Chargers so he cried and cried and cried until he got his way.

    The draft is GOOD for the players. A team is not going to draft you unless they have you in their plans. If there is no draft, a few teams would get all the talent. There would be insane depth on a handful of teams and most of them wouldn’t see the field. With the Draft, if a team picks you, they like your abilities, they have a need for you, and you will likely have an opportunity to prove yourself.

    But no it’s the big bad owners trying to rule the world!

  31. thumper00 says: Apr 2, 2011 10:21 AM

    @realitypolice
    Don’t 100% of players come out of college? whats keeping them from finding employment outside of football, if the free education didn’t prepare them for the REAL WORLD then shame on them , thats life be responsible for yourself.
    Its the players CHOICE to play football no one is forcing them, just like any accountant in this country is free to move on to somthing else………Are you qualified to do ONLY one thing. players play because they WANT to, not FORCED to…MONEY MONEY MONEY show me the MONEY………….

  32. packa7x says: Apr 2, 2011 10:29 AM

    “There is long legal precedent holding that a union may negotiate entrance requirements to employment through collective bargaining, and that receives the same legal protections as other permissive bargaining subjects. The player draft is a violation of the Sherman Act except when it falls within the Nonstatutory Labor Exemption due to arms-length collective bargaining. The draft could have ended at any of the CBA renegotiations over the years if the players had so chosen. So to say, with such conviction, that the draft is not something the players have ever agreed to and to suggest otherwise is just wrong, is itself … well, just wrong.”

    A post by a lawyer on a football board. So for the entire duration of the draft, the players have agreed to it. Sham anyone?

  33. hiflyer1 says: Apr 2, 2011 12:11 PM

    my my, you know the owners want to punish the players, but why no trades of drafted players. seems they want to punish themselves as much as the players.

  34. touchdownroddywhite says: Apr 2, 2011 12:27 PM

    @packa7x:

    You are making a point based on the notion that the draft is the cause of the lawsuit and the decertification is the effect.

    The possible ending of the draft is “collateral damage” in the war being waged between players and owners.

    I don’t think some people realize that the players are literally threatening to destroy the NFL if they don’t get paid the way they would like to be paid. It’s actually their only REAL leverage.

    Think about the fact that a draft is one of the cornerstones of competition for the NFL, as is the salary cap. Both of which go out the window without the union and collective bargaining.

    Perhaps it wouldn’t be a bad thing for the players to win the war. It would cripple the NFL, and I’m not sure that is really that bad of a thing in the grand scheme. The ground work is laid. New superstars are coming out of highschool and college all the time, and they were doing so even before it was possibly worth millions. That means they’ll continue to do so for what will likely end up being a great sum of money.

    The NFL has become too big and almost NEEDS to fail to help preserve the sport, imo.

  35. zizzod says: Apr 2, 2011 1:10 PM

    Guess it was a smart move to trade a first round pick in 2011 for Richard Seymor

  36. Kave Krew says: Apr 2, 2011 9:01 PM

    profootballwalk says:
    Apr 1, 2011 9:18 PM
    “Patriot42 says: Apr 1, 2011 8:53 PM

    Whoa is me. Everything is going to h***l in a handbag. Whenever the players go broke they will be back. The ones that went through their money blowing it on fancy cars and giving them to their homeboys.”

    More from the never-ending supply of PFT racists.

    zizzod says:
    Apr 2, 2011 1:10 PM
    Guess it was a smart move to trade a first round pick in 2011 for Richard Seymor

    ———————————————————————————-

    Why was it a smart move? Because Belichick is white? Is it automatically smart if it involves a white guy?

    And you spelled Seymour wrong

    Ok ok, just having some sarcastic fun with some ridiculous statements……..and it leads me to this i read in an email today…it would be very applicable in this post…..

    24 Things You Would Agree With:
    #4- there is a need for a sarcasm font

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