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Warren Moon elaborates on his concerns regarding Cam Newton criticism

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Hall of Fame quarterback Warren Moon has made more waves than the thing in the sky after which he is named with his recent remarks regarding possible racism in the criticism of quarterback Cam Newton.

Moon’s comments have been limited, with quotes to Mike Freeman of CBSSports.com and a couple of Twitter messages.

On Friday morning, Moon visited with KTAR in Phoenix.

“I just think it has racial overtones,” Moon said of the Newton criticism.  “I’m not going to say it’s totally racial.  I just think they just keep piling on.  I don’t understand why they keep piling on.  Because this is a guy that’s a very special talent that has done some very special things and they just keep trying to cut up every part of his game.  There’s no way a guy could be as successful as he’s been whatever level that he’s been on and have all these different flaws that they’re talking about right now.”

Um, Tim Tebow resembles that remark.

“It really baffles my mind to come out with all these different things that they’re talking about,” Moon added.  “How come they’re not talking to his offensive coordinator or they’re not talking to his head coach or they’re not talking to players on his football team?  They’re talking to General Managers who probably had 15 minutes with him inside of a room at the Combine but they’re not talking to the people that were with him every day of his career at the University of Auburn to get their sense of what type of person that he is.  And those are the people that I’ve talked to about Cam Newton.  I’m not only going off of what I know of Cam as far as the time that I’ve been around him, I’m going off of what I’ve talked and asked questions about myself.”

In fairness to Nolan Nawrocki of Pro Football Weekly, whose biting critique of Newton seemed to crossover at times from draft expert to spurned lover, Nawrocki told PFT Live on Thursday that he speaks to a wide range of people.  It’s possible that Nawrocki spoke to teammates and/or coaches who were willing to be more candid when their names weren’t attached to the criticism — and when they knew they were talking to someone who wasn’t in Newton’s camp, like Moon is.

As to the “an entertainer and an icon” line, Moon acknowledges that it was an unfortunate remark.

“I think it did hurt him and I think he understands that it hurt him and if you listen to him on the NFL Network he apologized for coming out and saying the things the way he said them,” Moon said.  “He felt like he didn’t say things in the proper way, but he knew exactly what he meant by what he was saying.   He just didn’t say it in the right way.  He does want to be a very special player.  He wants to be one of the greatest players to ever play the game before it’s all said and done and there’s no reason to not have goals set like that.  He did some very special things in college, some things that have never done before.  And he wants to do the same thing at the next level, but you just can’t say those things before you actually do them.  So he understands that he’s got to be very careful about the things that he says in the media.  He’s still a young guy, he’s still learning with all this media attention that he’s getting, and he’ll get better at it as he goes along.”

So who’s the best quarterback in the draft, according to one of the best quarterbacks of all time?  “I think it’s Cam Newton, I really do,” Moon said.  “And if you talk to most coaches and General Managers around they’ll say the same thing.  Yes, he does have his red flags because of some things he got involved in when he was a young guy.  And yes that recruiting scandal is still out there as far as what actually happened between Mississippi State and Auburn, and I think that story will come out in due time.  And I think I know the real story of it but it’s not for me to talk about it right now.”

Intriguing.  Moon thinks he knows “the real story,” but he’s reluctant to talk about it “right now.”  That makes us wonder whether “the real story” conflicts in any way with the explanation that Newton has been giving to the teams with which he has met.

“If you judge Cam Newton on what he’s done on the football field, what you think he can bring to the table for your organization, and then you need to spend time with him if you want to get to know him and know what kind of person he is, that’s the only way you’re gonna really find that out,” Moon said.  “You can’t just go off of some of the things that he might have done that were immature at 18 years old.   We all did immature things that we’re not proud of, but hopefully we mature from those things and that’s what they have to see.  Will he mature from these things and become better?  I think he’s already shown that he has.”

We’re waiting for more evidence to show that Newton has matured.  He hasn’t said much since his Scouting Combine media session and NFLN interview.  We’ve invited him to join PFT Live, and we’ve also previously invited Moon.  We’re going to renew the invitation to both men.

And if Moon thinks talking to Newton is the best way to get to know him, why shouldn’t Newton talk to anyone in the media who’ll listen?

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87 Responses to “Warren Moon elaborates on his concerns regarding Cam Newton criticism”
  1. scytherius says: Apr 1, 2011 3:32 PM

    I no longer care.

  2. schmitty2 says: Apr 1, 2011 3:35 PM

    With this kind of backpedaling Moon would have been a great cornerback

  3. rodfromdh says: Apr 1, 2011 3:35 PM

    Come on Tea Party fans , jump all over this one !

  4. panther17 says: Apr 1, 2011 3:36 PM

    “There’s no way a guy could be as successful as he’s been whatever level that he’s been on and have all these different flaws that they’re talking about right now.”

    Ken Dorsey. Please stand up! What were you in college? 38-2? All you did was win in college. You excelled at that level. But you had all these flaws and fell to what pick in the draft? Guess it is ok to knock a white college QB with his flaws during draft time but not a black college QB.

  5. savocabol1 says: Apr 1, 2011 3:38 PM

    How much time has Moon possibly spent with Cam?

  6. rcali says: Apr 1, 2011 3:43 PM

    Kind of feel like Moon is backing the wrong horse right now. Once he went with the racist remark, there was no coming back. When are the “slave” remarks going to start?

  7. roodlenoodle says: Apr 1, 2011 3:43 PM

    “wide range of people”???? Give me a break. That’s just Nawrocki’s way of hiding. And of course other talking heads are backing him up, seing that they are sooo respectful of him. How about “in fairness” of Cam Newton we will stop printing conjecture.

  8. rpiotr01 says: Apr 1, 2011 3:44 PM

    Maybe I’m missing something, but just what in the world is so special about Cam Newton’s game as it pertains to the NFL? All I remember of this guy is a kind of side arm, sling shot delivery. I think he can throw it a good way but I remember an ugly, Tebow like wobbler of a deep ball.

    He’s big and he can run but I don’t know. Still has an attitude problem. When’s the last time a big guy who takes off running like that succeeded in the NFL? I guess Big Ben is one.

    Meh. I can take him or leave him. I think Gabbert has just as much upside, if not more, at the 5 year mark than Newton does.

  9. gudy2shoes says: Apr 1, 2011 3:46 PM

    Moon really cares. I do not.

  10. KIR says: Apr 1, 2011 3:47 PM

    These remarks on here are incredibly myopic. Just look at the comments on here for Erik Ainge and Jonny Jolly. Both drug addicts. One guy everyone can relate to and other guy is a no good bum who should be jailed for life.

  11. marvsleezy says: Apr 1, 2011 3:52 PM

    roodlenoodle – Nawrocki said similar things about Jamarcus Russell before he was drafted and he was right – You should keep up with the news before you comment.

  12. xxwhodatxx says: Apr 1, 2011 3:53 PM

    Again with the race crap, this is a different time, there’s no way to get past anything if everytime someone is critical of black man the race card pops out

  13. KIR says: Apr 1, 2011 3:56 PM

    Not saying this applies to Cam. But, my experience with these young athletes is that they’re just immature. The people posting on here act as if these guys can’t mature. Look at some of the very worst NFL players 20 years ago some of whom are in broadcasting and or doing good things in the community. Look at them now. They might not be choir boys but you can see the maturity in their actions and words. You guys need to tone down the rhetoric a little. It’s childish and unfair.

  14. xxwhodatxx says: Apr 1, 2011 3:57 PM

    Maybe the reason they are “cutting up his game” is because some team is gonna give him millions I mean he had one great year !!!

  15. richgannon says: Apr 1, 2011 3:59 PM

    Mr.Moon

    With all due respect

    Shut Up

  16. freddyfelder says: Apr 1, 2011 4:00 PM

    They need to put The O’Jays on the Cover of Madden 12! Money, Money, Money…. MONEY! #NFLLockout

  17. pftbillsfan says: Apr 1, 2011 4:02 PM

    I’m a white guy, so typically I lack racism against me, but I agree with Moon on this. Cam is always compared to JaMarcus Codein and not Roethlisberger or other large statured white qb’s. How come there aren’t any Tebow comparisons, as a Bills fan I dont want Cam, but I really do think racism is at play.

  18. cryptker says: Apr 1, 2011 4:07 PM

    Why does Warren Moon think people care what he says? I sure don`t…

  19. tednancy says: Apr 1, 2011 4:14 PM

    “There’s no way a guy could be as successful as he’s been whatever level that he’s been on and have all these different flaws that they’re talking about right now.”

    Ken Dorsey, Tim Tebow, Frazier from Nebraska, Jason White, Eric Crouch …

    Yeah, excellent point Warren. Glad you’re not in my “camp.”

  20. emperor83 says: Apr 1, 2011 4:17 PM

    savocabol1 says: Apr 1, 2011 3:38 PM

    How much time has Moon possibly spent with Cam?
    _____________________________________

    A little tooooooooooooo much…

  21. tblitz25 says: Apr 1, 2011 4:18 PM

    This is stupid. There is only one team that has a 100% chance to claim Newton. So unless Nowacksi’s sources are from Carolina then their opinions don’t matter. Furthermore, If these “team” sources truly feel that way about Newton then they should come forward and say so because they won’t be drafting him anyways.

    Regardless, of whether or not you like Cam as a person you simply can’t deny what he’s done football field. To compare him to Jamarcus who couldn’t spell CAT if you spotted him the C and T is asinine.

  22. srackis says: Apr 1, 2011 4:18 PM

    Mike, get a copy of Nawrocki’s assessment of Jamarcus Russell and post it! His assessment was dead-on and helps his credibility on the Newton issue.

  23. bubbabart says: Apr 1, 2011 4:20 PM

    Wow…I’m in???

  24. tednancy says: Apr 1, 2011 4:20 PM

    . . . Andre Ware, Troy Smith, Chris Weinke, Danny Wuerffel, Charlie Ward, Matt Leinart, Gino Torretta . . .

    Again, wonderful point Warren. Brilliant analysis.

  25. handlethehandles says: Apr 1, 2011 4:21 PM

    This Race card crap is just crap… Unless someone actually says he is too black to do this or that.. I dont want to hear it.

    BTW if a scout was gonna pull the race card wouldnt he say something like how many good black qbs are in the nfl.. So the ratio of getting a good qb who is black is bad…

    But no one is asking if hes left handed or right handed cause it doesnt flippen matter same with his color!!!

    talk about desperate to pull the race card.. The day it comes out this guy is took money from Auburn is Moon gonna come out and say if he was white no one would care?

  26. bluepike says: Apr 1, 2011 4:23 PM

    He’s reluctant to talk about the “real story” right now? If there was anything good to say wouldn’t it stand to reason that he would say it? Afterall, he’s gone to bat for him about everything else. Or could it be that no one really believes that Cam Newton didn’t know what his father was up to – and Moon realizes it.

  27. bubbabart says: Apr 1, 2011 4:30 PM

    Moon sucks….the reason Cam is having probs is because of Cam…not his color!

  28. nesuperfan says: Apr 1, 2011 4:37 PM

    I would say that Moon’s defense of Newton is totally race based, therefore, racist.

    The fact is that Newton is being criticized, not because he is black, but because he is the biggest name in the draft, and we all know that players, with his type of ego, can be major league problems once they are part of your team. When that happens, your big-name player becomes a bust, and that is news worthy.

    I also guess that Moon has conveniently never heard of Ryan Mallett. He is projected to go near the end of the first round, top of the second, but he is getting similar negative press since he has a similar attitude issue. Yes, Mallett is not getting as much, but name-wise, he is not even close to Newton due to their relative projected draft orders.

  29. rodfromdh says: Apr 1, 2011 4:39 PM

    No , the truth card pops up . It’s no coincidence that black qb news fields the most comments on this site , sports talk radio , and other forums . Just check out all of the high energy responses . The numbers don’t lie .

  30. nesuperfan says: Apr 1, 2011 4:39 PM

    Also, did Ryan Mallett also violate NCAA rules, as it is seeming that Cam Newton did? Do that crap, and you end up on the front page of the sports section.

  31. famucancer says: Apr 1, 2011 4:44 PM

    More red meat for the awms.

  32. jamoe17 says: Apr 1, 2011 4:56 PM

    Did anyone read all of that? Mark needs to work on his efficient writing skills.

  33. danderoo says: Apr 1, 2011 4:56 PM

    You go Warren. Don’t back off from all these back benchers, hiding behind the anonymity of the internet. The reason for all the vitriolic responses is because you are hitting the nail on the head. The difference is that you played the game. The others just watched the game.

  34. bigbluefan1 says: Apr 1, 2011 5:13 PM

    What team in the NFL is racist as most players are black and other then the raiders and the dead skins all teams want to win.

    How can MOON PIE say race has anything to do with anything in the NFL?

    There are black coaches mangers and GM’s does a black man own a team no but whos fault is that ?

    I am sick and tried of this race crap always comming up if he was white and was not good would Moon say he is being bashed because he is white?

  35. leeinthemountains says: Apr 1, 2011 5:16 PM

    A black whining about racism to deflect criticism. Imagine that.

    I pretty sure to many blacks that breathing is racist.

  36. bingocostello says: Apr 1, 2011 5:23 PM

    people who break the law are kindred spirits!

  37. TxGrown says: Apr 1, 2011 5:27 PM

    “rodfromdh says: Apr 1, 2011 3:35 PM

    Come on Tea Party fans , jump all over this one !”
    __________________________________

    A completely moronic post.
    And with that said. Let’s now concern ourselves with what Cam Newton does in the Pros.

  38. stoutfiles says: Apr 1, 2011 5:28 PM

    Cam needs to disassociate himself with Warren Moon.

  39. stoutfiles says: Apr 1, 2011 5:32 PM

    “No , the truth card pops up . It’s no coincidence that black qb news fields the most comments on this site , sports talk radio , and other forums . Just check out all of the high energy responses . The numbers don’t lie .”

    Yeah, we never heard about Brett Favre, ever. We also talked about Jason Campbell every day.

    Could it be that McNabb got traded and benched, Vick made his amazing comeback, and V. Young blew up on the coach? No, that couldn’t be it. Has to be race!

  40. captainronmexico says: Apr 1, 2011 5:41 PM

    You have to give this to Cam:

    He never beat the crap out of his (black) wife, then pressured her to lie for him so he could get off, then later divorced her to start anew with a young white chick.

    Now that would be some behavior that many might criticize. Right Warren?

  41. chapnastier says: Apr 1, 2011 5:44 PM

    @ Cad

    This story is getting plenty of hits because white people are sick and tired of being called a racist whenever they are critical of someone who isn’t white. It is the biggest slam on someone to call them a racist and it can’t be taken lightley when it isn’t true.

  42. sourdough says: Apr 1, 2011 5:51 PM

    Met Warren Moon at a bar when the Super Bowl was here awhile back. Very nice guy. Even bought me a drink and had a short conversation with me. That being said, pulling the race card is weak. Warren should know better.

  43. built2tilt says: Apr 1, 2011 6:04 PM

    Chap, that’s exactly right

  44. kegpack says: Apr 1, 2011 6:12 PM

    I just lost all respect for Warren Moon…

  45. raideralex99 says: Apr 1, 2011 6:22 PM

    Maybe Moon should check out his facts first.
    Last year … how many teams made the playoffs with a black QB … only 1 team and how many wins … ZERO!
    Enough said … when you get to the pros … QBs have to more than just running skills.
    Moon had to go to Canada for 8 years to learn how to play QB plus he did sit on the bench his first year or two. Paying the big salaries to these college QBs … you better be a fast learner.

  46. jetsarestacked says: Apr 1, 2011 6:31 PM

    i’ll dismiss comments like these from warren moon the day i see a white qb come out of college and have his intelligence questioned. it just never happens. there are absolutely racial overtones there and to deny that is just plain ignorant.

  47. built2tilt says: Apr 1, 2011 6:50 PM

    There’s a popular meme that Warren Moon had an outstanding NCAA career and was ‘exiled’ to the CFL b/c of his race. I looked it up, and was surprised to see he had very pedestrian stats at U of W. No doubt, he faced discrimination but his career looks like a guy who worked his way into the NFL by constantly getting better (but by no means was a college star). His CFL and NFL trajectory were similar, a rocky start and then started to flourish. But the Oilers appear to have been VERY patient w/ him (more so than a QB expects in today’s NFL).

    His first 3 seasons are awful (13 TDs, 26 INTs his 3rd season). Props to him for working his butt off and becoming a great NFL QB, but the story doesn’t fit the facts.

  48. panther17 says: Apr 1, 2011 7:32 PM

    “And yes that recruiting scandal is still out there as far as what actually happened between Mississippi State and Auburn, and I think that story will come out in due time. And I think I know the real story of it but it’s not for me to talk about it right now.”

    I missed that the first time I read it. So the truth is not exactly out there about Cam’s recruiting scandal between Mississippi State and Auburn? Warren knows the real story of it but is not talking? Maybe the NCAA needs to talk to Warren Moon. And it’s not right for him to talk about right now? Sounds like something that could hurt Cam’s reputation and draft stock. Instead just let it come out after he is already drafted and on a NFL team. Wait till it’s season time when it will be a distraction and mess up his rookie season. He might of been able to play in the NCAA dealing with it but the NFL is not the NCAA.

  49. captainronmexico says: Apr 1, 2011 7:42 PM

    @jetsarestacked

    when you see white qb’s consistently embarrassing themselves on the wonderlic, or performing master crimes like stealing a laptop, painting their name on it and then trying the old “throw the evidence out the window” trick, you’ll see their intelligence being questioned

    dig?

  50. Deb says: Apr 1, 2011 8:00 PM

    Why are so many people bent out of shape by Moon’s comments? I’ve been critical of Newton and disagreed with Moon’s assumption that all criticism of Cam is race-based. But historically black QBs have faced more criticism than their white counterparts, so you can’t blame Moon for speculating. Obviously his own difficult experiences in the position–completely unwarranted because he was a terrific QB–are influencing his opinion.

    I’m sure some comments about Newton are tinged with racism. If you know yours aren’t–as I do–then you have no reason to be offended by Moon. And Warren needs to understand that some of us have problems with spread-offense QBs and had the same reservations about Tebow that we do about Cam. Plus, Cam is further hampered by legitimate character questions based on his history at UF and his father’s admissions regarding soliciting money from MSU. That doesn’t mean he won’t be a great pro QB. But it would keep me from drafting him in the high first round.

  51. stixzidinia says: Apr 1, 2011 8:05 PM

    JaMarcus Newton is going to make Moon look like a complete idiot for getting his back……kinda like how Maurice Clarette made Jim Brown look like a complete idiot. And why on earth would a scout talk to Newton’s teammates or coaches? Is Moon actually dumb enough to believe those people would say negative things about him and his game? You’re not going to get an honest appraisal from anybody at Auburn……..at least not until after the NCAA forces them to vacate victories from last season and takes away scholarships in the near future.

    I doubt Newton actually sees the end of his rookie contract. He’ll either be cut and out of the league within 3 years, he’ll get in trouble and end up in jail, or he’ll be flat broke in 5 years because his play on the NFL football field couldn’t keep him in the money to sustain his “entertainment icon” lifestyle. The poop nuggets in my cat’s litter box have a higher collective IQ than Cam Newton.

  52. runtheball says: Apr 1, 2011 8:30 PM

    This saddens me. Moon is the most underrated QB of all time. He wasn’t good enough to play in the NFL coming out of college but he busted his ass in the CFL and became a pros pro. Maybe Newton will suceed, but you would have to be blind to not have serious questions about him. His best throw may have been the stolen laptop out the window.

  53. macjacmccoy says: Apr 1, 2011 8:32 PM

    Warren is talking about how hes matured. That he was only 18 when he was making those bad decisions.

    Well didnt he make those “entertainer and icon” comments a couple of monthes ago? That doesnt show alot of growth on Cam’s part. It seems like he is still the same entitled kid that thinks hes better and more important then everyone else who doesnt have to follow the rules.

  54. istateyourname says: Apr 1, 2011 8:38 PM

    To compare him to Jamarcus who couldn’t spell CAT if you spotted him the C and T is asinine.

    Wouldn’t you “spot” someone the C and A? Giving the C and T is more like Wheel of Fortune.

  55. mcvb34 says: Apr 1, 2011 8:39 PM

    Hey white people you’ve never experience racism so shut up about what is racist and what is not………..

  56. pizzon says: Apr 1, 2011 8:57 PM

    success does breed resentment, which is exactly what this sounds like to me. some guy trying to make a name for himself. newton is an extremely talented guy who is probably the best QB in the draft this yr as far as talent goes. all I care about if Im an NFL coach is can the can play at this level. Im not his mother and as long as he doesnt commit any crimes I aint looking for a choir boy.

  57. realitypolice says: Apr 1, 2011 9:39 PM

    jetsarestacked says:
    Apr 1, 2011 6:31 PM
    i’ll dismiss comments like these from warren moon the day i see a white qb come out of college and have his intelligence questioned. it just never happens. there are absolutely racial overtones there and to deny that is just plain ignorant.
    ==================

    You’re kidding, right? Please tell me you’re kidding?

    I have read at least a dozen stories this off season questioning the intelligence and decision making of Ryan Mallett.

    Ummm……he’s white, isn’t he?

  58. realitypolice says: Apr 1, 2011 9:45 PM

    He did some very special things in college, some things that have never done before.
    ========================

    What did Cam Newton do in college that had never been done before?

    Win a Heisman? Pretty sure that happens every year.

    Win a National Championship? Ditto.

    Manage to retain his eligibility despite overwhelming evidence that his family extorted a huge cash payment in exchange for his services?

    You may have a point there.

  59. tchurch316 says: Apr 1, 2011 10:08 PM

    Hey white people you’ve never experience racism so shut up about what is racist and what is not………..

    ================================

    How in the hell do you know who is white and who is black by a typed statement on an online forumn?

    As for this whole story, its really quite obnoxious of Moon to think this is racial against Newton. The guy has a checkered past and has skills that do not quite translate perfectly to the NFL. I would give pause before drafting and giving this guy millions also. Tebow and Clausen are recent perfect examples of white QB’s who have gone through this same type of questioning, and for blatantly obvious legitimate reasons so far. If Newton can go out and change peoples thinking with his play and his demeanor than so be it, but as for now the criticism is warranted.

  60. champsworld says: Apr 1, 2011 10:12 PM

    I agre with Warren, must have been racism…….like when beating your wife was racism. Need to shut your mouth, that is why your not more respected here in Houston, everyone sees you as a flake.

  61. eaglelover1 says: Apr 1, 2011 11:15 PM

    Maybe Moon should check out his facts first.
    Last year … how many teams made the playoffs with a black QB … only 1 team and how many wins … ZERO!
    Enough said … when you get to the pros … QBs have to more than just running skills.
    Moon had to go to Canada for 8 years to learn how to play QB plus he did sit on the bench his first year or two. Paying the big salaries to these college QBs … you better be a fast learner.

    Hey while you are making that argument there are far more white 1st round busts than there ever wil be black. More players mean more chances to to be white I mean right. Take a look at where black QB’s go and what the team does to improve the talent around them. Mcanbb was in Philly 9 years before he got a top shelf WR. Jason Campbell 6 OC in 7 years. Hell, look at the Vikings Favre’s first season with them was a 1 game improvement over T-Jack. in the regular season and the playoffs. ONE GAME! And that was Jackson’s 2nd season as a pro first as a starter.

  62. whatswiththehate says: Apr 2, 2011 1:01 AM

    KIR says:
    Apr 1, 2011 3:47 PM
    “These remarks on here are incredibly myopic. Just look at the comments on here for Erik Ainge and Jonny Jolly. Both drug addicts. One guy everyone can relate to and other guy is a no good bum who should be jailed for life.”
    ————————-
    Let me guess which one was which.
    ——————————–
    srackis says:
    Apr 1, 2011 4:18 PM
    “Mike, get a copy of Nawrocki’s assessment of Jamarcus Russell and post it! His assessment was dead-on and helps his credibility on the Newton issue.”
    ————————–
    You such a fool. Mr Nolan done gave away the fact that he NEVER met Cam. So one wouldn’t be surprised if all he did was cut and paste another black athlete’s profile and used it as Cam’s. He defended himself yesterday when asked if he as a racist by saying that the “fake smile” comment he made against Cam he used on Clausen. So, this ‘reputable Senior Writer didn’t even bother to research Cam. He figured he didn’t need to, since you folks would simply believe the negative story since it’s on a black kid. It’s clear those in the media knows you folks are as small-minded and bigotted as can be and you wouldn’t even bother to question an article that sounds like one you read before on a previous black athlete cause you ingorantly believe that ALL blacks are the same unless otherwise said so by the media. You know, you just proved Moon right that the media is using underlining racism against CAM…

  63. whatswiththehate says: Apr 2, 2011 1:10 AM

    tchurch316 says:
    Apr 1, 2011 10:08 PM
    Hey white people you’ve never experience racism so shut up about what is racist and what is not………..

    ================================

    How in the hell do you know who is white and who is black by a typed statement on an online forumn?

    As for this whole story, its really quite obnoxious of Moon to think this is racial against Newton. The guy has a checkered past and has skills that do not quite translate perfectly to the NFL. I would give pause before drafting and giving this guy millions also. Tebow and Clausen are recent perfect examples of white QB’s who have gone through this same type of questioning, and for blatantly obvious legitimate reasons so far. If Newton can go out and change peoples thinking with his play and his demeanor than so be it, but as for now the criticism is warranted.
    ————————————
    Funny how no one cared to check the background of the rich white QB who turned out to be drug addict since jr high school but he isn’t black and media isn’t racist.

    Why don’t you learn the definition of a word before you use it. Cam’s Newton’s past isn’t “checkered.” He messed up in one year and he’s moved on. Clearly unlike you. Maybe you’re the one with the “checkered past.”

  64. king3319 says: Apr 2, 2011 1:13 AM

    Ok here we go..someone who isn’t black must not know racism…I’m black have plenty of friends of different ethnic backgrounds, all have experienced some sort of bias one way or another. If we keep calling it racism that’s what keeps it alive on the tongues of the media sports or not. Look Moon is dead wrong. Newton could be a decent QB in time but history of one good season is definitely against him. Some of the comments earlier are absolutely ridiculous, some tinge of racism “deb” c’mon!!! He’s bein more closely watched cuz he’s stolen merchandise and his family or friends extorted money for him to play!!! It’s not because of his ability or possible lack there of, face it he most likely is gonna be a bust, thankfully my Raiders aren’t in a position to draft another undisciplined waste of talent and money!!!

  65. txhc says: Apr 2, 2011 1:34 AM

    Moon should probably keep his mouth shut. He’s the only one that appears racist right now.

  66. txhc says: Apr 2, 2011 1:51 AM

    “mcvb34 says:
    Apr 1, 2011 8:39 PM
    Hey white people you’ve never experience racism so shut up about what is racist and what is not………..”

    This is ridiculous. Everybody hates white people. Shut up.

  67. play4blood says: Apr 2, 2011 2:02 AM

    Considering how Moon only got into the Hall because of his skin color, maybe he’s not the right one to be playing the race card here.

    What a ridiculous human being he is.

  68. bayouboy2 says: Apr 2, 2011 2:32 AM

    tchurch316 says:
    Apr 1, 2011 10:08 PM

    How in the hell do you know who is white and who is black by a typed statement on an online forumn? ……..

    Excellent call tchurch…….the guy is obviously a moron…….

    Now for my take on this…….I suspect that Warren Moon is using both Cam Newton and the media to further is his own agenda. He has been out of the lime light for awhile and could either be craving some more natinal attention or perhaps a small payday after Newton signs a contract. Either his cooments themselves are racisist and ignorant.

  69. jlswisc says: Apr 2, 2011 4:49 AM

    When is the last time a White CB was highly touted?
    What % of CBs are white in the NFL? Is it close to the national percentage of white people?

    Is there not a stigma against white RBs as well? A presumption they will be fbs?

    Are the answers to these questions/facts racist?

  70. alkscout says: Apr 2, 2011 4:55 AM

    Warren has an axe to grind because in his day he was a black quarterback playing out of a spread offense and the NFL didn’t want him. He went out and made them all look like idiots.

    You proved your point there Warren, and you proved it well … on the field with your play.

    Unfortunately for you, when you open your mouth you sound like an idiot and now you’re grinding that axe decades later in a different environment.

    I’m sure Nolan and I share many of the same sources and I’ve heard the same things about Newton. I’ve also heard them about Ryan Mallett. As Nolan pointed out, we all heard them about Jimmy Clausen, J.P. Losman and many others as well.

    Warren wants to pick the one black football player out of that mix and make a big deal out of it.

    Warren, that shows that you’re actually the racist, not Nolan and not anyone else who has spent time gathering that information.

    In my business you occasionally run into people like Warren Moon, both white and black and it’s literally the same thing every time…

    They come on strong, get stronger, get called out, go public and nasty, look dumb, retreat and eventually … they apologize because they look like an ass to everyone who is actually a professional because they want to save face and continue working in the profession.

    It might not be a week or a month, but we’ll hear Moon apologizing for this at some point and then I’m sure he’ll be doing a segment on a major news network about his struggles with racism.

    Don’t fight your battles through Cam Newton, Warren. You’re giving him negative pub and becoming part of the story.

  71. mrmilstead says: Apr 2, 2011 4:57 AM

    The best part is that racism is dead and everyone is treated the same. Oh yea Warren Moon knows nothing about racism in the draft. Wow PFT you WOW!!! Things for reminding us.

  72. raideralex99 says: Apr 2, 2011 5:12 AM

    OMG … Tebow and Clausen are white QBs!
    I always thought they were black the way the media attacked them … now I’m confused.

    So let me get this straight … if you criticize a black QB you are a racist and if you criticize a white QB … he’s a bust.

  73. vomitingliberals says: Apr 2, 2011 6:13 AM

    The wife beater is now pulling the race card. My how impressive, and predictable…

  74. drfever73 says: Apr 2, 2011 7:12 AM

    “Yes, he does have his red flags because of some things he got involved in when he was a young guy”

    lol, I love this line…..what? like a year ago? hahahahahaha

    I will agree that he is the best physical specimen at QB this year and would be in most years, but watch his highlight reels and try to feel confident that it translates to the NFL. He can scramble and his passing highlights look more like receiver highlights than QB. I see a contract holdout in his future if there aren’t rookie salary caps in place. I see an ego that resonates locker room discontent. I see an arm that has strength with suspect accuracy. I see an offense that was simple and didn’t offer a lot of decision making evidence or looking off safeties or other diversion tactics. I see a lot of shotgun and mot much from under center. He has good speed (4.58, we’ll call it a 4.6) matched with his build and size will be dangerous for 10 to 15 yard chunks until teams just play him for containment and the run. Too many dangers if he can’t develop an NFL passing game. Honestly, I don’t want him and that from a QB-less bengals fan. I actually think Ponder may end up being the best QB from this draft when we look back at it 4 or 5 years from now. Sorry, not a good QB class at all. If Luck would have came out, it would have had a guy worthy of an early first round draft status. I think Cam is a late first rounder because of the risk and project labels that I’m giving him.

  75. texline1 says: Apr 2, 2011 8:27 AM

    ““He felt like he didn’t say things in the proper way, but he knew exactly what he meant by what he was saying. ” Sounds like Warren may be in the same boat. That may be his dumbest line yet. Maybe Newtons trouble is his “mentors”. Every time Moon opens his mouth his imagined I.Q. drops like a rock. He’s dumb. White or black, he is just plain dumb.

  76. teal379 says: Apr 2, 2011 8:40 AM

    Wondering – ignore Cam’s race and his name.

    List me any other NFL player who has been successful and WORTH a top 5 pick in the draft who has the personal baggage Cam’s coming in with? White, black or whatever – tell me one.

    The thefts, being shopped by his father, again more stories of theft at Auburn (McShay mentioned an x-box story on the radio Friday) , his comments about being an icon etc.

    Show me another athlete from college, regardless of color who has then become a huge hit/star/stud in the NFL.

    Cam supporters, I’m not being an ass here, I just am unaware of one. What about that baggage makes you believe that it helps him in the NFL? What other NFL great has had similar baggage and how did it make you know he was going to be great? Play or locker room wise…

  77. espnfeedback says: Apr 2, 2011 10:52 AM

    Only an indictable TRUTH can cause this many angry white dudes to attack you with such intensity. Moon obviously hit a raging raw ner None of you…NOT ONE of you sociology exper have ever faced the kind of institutional Overt Racism that Mr Moon has faced. Being told de being a classic pocket qb coming out of UWashington with the best throwing arm in h class by miles. Having to leave your country to play the game that you were the Best at. Gathe yourself like a Man and forcefully breaking do the doors of the NFL and becoming a HOF! Thanks for all of your emotional, maintain the status quo, Warren Moon is just a communist agitator type rantings. Bit I’ll trust him on this subject.

    @ESPNfeedback

  78. pftequalsgreatjournalism says: Apr 2, 2011 11:59 AM

    savocabol1 says: Apr 1, 2011 3:38 PM

    How much time has Moon possibly spent with Cam?

    —————————-

    Enough that he will need a case of Listerine to get the taste of taint out of his mouth…

    Cam is a thieving, lying, over-rated icon!

  79. Deb says: Apr 2, 2011 3:03 PM

    @king3319 …

    Baby, I don’t care if you are orange or purple. What I said was: “I’m sure some comments about Newton are tinged with racism. If you know yours aren’t–as I do–then you have no reason to be offended by Moon.”

    Then I went on to mention that Newton has character issues, which is why a lot of people are critical of him. Don’t take my comments out of context and use them to prop up your absurd theories. The only ridiculous thing here is for you to point to my comment and declare it’s impossible that any criticism of Newton could possibly have even a tinge of racism. :roll:

  80. richgannon says: Apr 2, 2011 3:23 PM

    “If we keep calling it racism that’s what keeps it alive on the tongues of the media sports or not. Look Moon is dead wrong. Newton could be a decent QB in time but history of one good season is definitely against him. Some of the comments earlier are absolutely ridiculous, some tinge of racism “deb” c’mon!!! He’s bein more closely watched cuz he’s stolen merchandise and his family or friends extorted money for him to play!!! It’s not because of his ability or possible lack there of”

    Deb that is their post i don’t see one ridiculous theory here, this site is about football, yet almost every time i see a post by you, it has an attacking tone that inevitably starts an argument
    (“Don’t take my comments out of context and use them to prop up your absurd theories. The only ridiculous thing here is for you to point to my comment and declare it’s impossible that any criticism of Newton could possibly have even a tinge of racism.”)
    ……take a breath and relax. Most people dont have the time or care enough to drag through a hundred comments to find the 1 that disagrees with them and then attack that person, get over yourself and your intellect. There are other individuals here that are intelligent as well and some may disagree with you.

  81. Deb says: Apr 2, 2011 6:40 PM

    @richgannon …

    I’m perfectly relaxed, sweetie, and perfectly entitled to disagree with people just like they’re entitled to disagree with me. Funny, I don’t recall you chastising anyone for disagreeing with me. You only have a problem when I talk back. Since I don’t plan to stop talking back, you’ll have to learn to live with disappointment.

    I originally said sure, some critical comments aimed at this black guy may be tinged with racism.. Now that’s hardly a stinging indictment of white folks (like me) or a stinging indictiment of everyone criticizing Cam (as I have done).

    But king3319 says “Come on” to the idea that some negative comments about this black guy may be tinged with racism. king3319 argues that not one single solitary person in ALL those criticizing Cam has even a tinge of racism in his mind and it’s “ridiculous” for me to suggest otherwise. Yes, richgannon, that is an uber absurd theory.

    It was ridiculous enough when he said it. Now you are jumping on me for taking exception to being used to further this uber absurdity.

    Where’s Ashton Kutcher because I know I’m being punk’d.

  82. Deb says: Apr 2, 2011 6:50 PM

    Incidentally, richgannon, my posts are about football unless I’m responding to some jackass like you who is picking an argument with me. Funny again, how you didn’t seem to notice those posts you cited are always me responding to people who’ve been aggressive to me, not me being aggressive toward others. Guess you were too hellbent on putting the girl in her place to catch that little distinction. I don’t drag through comments looking for those that address me. But if those I write present a problem for you, I’d suggest you simply skip them.

    Have a nice day :)

  83. richgannon says: Apr 3, 2011 12:16 AM

    Wow Deb this isnt about you being a woman i dont care about your sex or your opinion….. my post was about your malicious tone
    “almost every time i see a post by you, it has an attacking tone that inevitably starts an argument” is what i said.

    deb says”Don’t take my comments out of context and use them to prop up your absurd theories. The only ridiculous thing here is for you to point to my comment and declare it’s impossible that any criticism of Newton could possibly have even a tinge of racism. ”

    deb says “unless I’m responding to some jackass like you who is picking an argument with me. ”

    Deb says “king3319 argues that not one single solitary person in ALL those criticizing Cam has even a tinge of racism”

    Im not speaking for King but i feel he meant the talking heads on t.v not every single solitary person on the planet. As does Moon he is talking about the people on t.v and radio not whoever decides to respond to such reports…..i personally believe its ridiculous to think the talking heads are anything but objectionable if you beleive some or even 1 is racist then i would have to agree to disagree.

    Your nothing but an angry PFT Troll, i will not exchange a single post with you from here on out….its funny that you are the common denometor in most silly disputes

    Have a good day TROLL (insert eye rolling smile here)

  84. Deb says: Apr 3, 2011 4:02 PM

    @richgannon …

    ROFLOL Now that was hysterically funny.

    I’ve been talking about the whole universe of criticism, including blog commenters. Apparently you and king3319 are just talking about sports reporters, which puts a different spin on it. Yes, sports reporters should be capable of evaluating Newton on more substantive issues than race–although they, too, have demonstrated racial bias in years past.

    Now rich … try surfing in my shoes a while. Nearly 80 comments and king3319 jumped on mine to call ridiculous. And from my perspective, it did seem a no brainer to say that some people criticizing Cam might have some racial bias. But that happens to me a lot. I’ve had guys ignore 10 comments saying exactly what mine said, only to call out mine. Then you jump in out of the blue to tell me: “get over yourself and your intellect. There are other individuals here that are intelligent as well and some may disagree with you.”

    king3319 is the one who called me ridiculous. You then jumped in without provocation and told me to get over myself when I’ve never said anything to you. Nah, you don’t have a problem with women on a football blog. That’s why you’ve never noticed those arguments you’re talking about have been me defending myself from unprovoked attackers like you. And what your “troll” tantrum demonstrated was that you can dish it out but you can’t take it.

  85. kimlewiss says: Apr 3, 2011 10:19 PM

    yes

  86. monkeesfan says: Apr 4, 2011 3:52 PM

    Moon was flat out wrong the first time and seems to know it the way he’s trying to backtrack. The fact is Cam Newton is giving football people reason to doubt he has what it takes to be a real quarterback. He has Ryan Leaf written on him.

    And in case Mr. Houston Oiler has lost track, Ryan Leaf was a white guy.

  87. axespray says: Apr 6, 2011 12:09 AM

    Didn’t the media kiss up and try to pass vince young off as an all pro franchise qb? (madden cover/interviews on latenight shows/random hype?)

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