So HGH Testing is kinda like that scene from that Kurt Russell Movie, THE THING!

In an NFL Lockerroom, QB Tom Brady holding a torch and some medical equipment: “We’re Gonna Find out who’s who!”

Fire Goodell.

Sorry about your situation CKL, but I believe that you should know what you’re investing in. Investing in an NFL team isn’t like a normal investment. I would bet the owners couldn’t find a guy that has actually lost anything. Even the Dolphins, who “lost” 7.7 million last season, would have made a profit if the owners hadn’t illegally had money held back from the TV deals. No one considers paying their mortgage losing money. It’s a long term investment. And most homes will never see the level of appreciation NFL see. There is no real risk for NFL owners.

The players health issues are another story. You can’t sell 10 concussions at the end for a profit. The more we know, the more it becomes clear that the players are the ones taking the real risk.
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Well let’s put it this way…what the local tax entity feels my home is valued at for tax purposes isn’t even close to what I could put it on the market for right now. In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s worth less now than what we paid for it. But the tax valuation keeps going up. So in a way that puts me in the same situation as owners.

But you are correct that the issue isn’t losing MONEY for the owners..it is decreasing profit margin. I am not sure what you do with your investments but when I see the margin going down I want to boost it back up. I don’t think I have made it that clear but I don’t care if it’s one dollar or 100, I am in no position to make it my business how much is “too much ” for someone to profit from their investment (provided it’s legal). Same goes for player salaries. I have zero problem with any player taking whatever contract a team wants to give them. To me it’s the same. People don’t “earn” it any less whether their work is mental or physical whether their acumen is business or sports talent. Each thing is valuable and is worth whatever someone will pay for it.
And yes the players do take physical risk . Almost all their health issues seem to be a result of their playing days whether they are big or small issues. It’s a huge reason that I believe that once a player has played 5 years (or some such length of service/play time) they should have heavily NFL/NFLPA subsidized insurance as in the same plan they have now, until they are medicare eligible.
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dcbronco says: Apr 6, 2011 12:40 PM

Also CKL, the average NFL owner made over 10 million in profit. I assume saying they aren’t making enough is a Terrell Owens style I have to feed my family thing. But if you’re making that kind of money and are having a hard time getting by. Maybe you are like one of those homeowners that got one of those sub-prime or “NINJA” loans. If the debt is too much. You can’t afford to be an NFL owner.

The reality is they buy the teams knowing they will make that debt back through tax shelters, publicly funded sweetheart stadium deals and sweetheart tax deals. The vast majority of Americans would be doing well if everything they pay for was up for negotiations too.
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I am 100% opposed to public funding for stadium structures..and one of the many reasons is that the stadium owner already does get tax incentives to have a stadium in a certain place…as do many non NFL building/business owners in cities benefit from giant tax incentives. I’m not thrilled with any tax money going to fund building private buildings but at least let the people who will have to pay the tax vote on it for crying out loud.
But think of how angry you would be if you were Mr. Kraft who paid for his own stadium and has no PSLs watching a guy like Mike Brown or Ralph Wilson suck up a bunch of their profits while paying for nothing stadium related. I am starting to think the owners have more to bitch at with each other quite frankly.

My comments about Goodell had nothing to do with decertifying blah blah blah.

Last season, Goodell making a big to-do about hitting to convince Congress there was no need for oversight. He issued a lot of fines and made a lot of noise … but he didn’t do anything substantive that actually reduced the number or severity of head traumas. It was all smoke and mirrors. So is this HGH thing.

There’s no reliable HGH test or proof of its effect on adult players. What are the health risks of HGH? Steroids are dangerous yet the NFL allowed them for two decades. Do you know why the NFL banned steroids? Because of pressure from PLAYERS, specifically Lyle Alzado who was dying from their side-effects. Not until Alzado went public did the NFL take the issue seriously. Steroids made players bigger, stronger, faster. Better football, more money. The league didn’t care until Alzado created bad PR.

Goodell and the owners don’t care anymore about HGH than they did about steroids. They care about playing hardball and making fans think players are cheating and hurting the “integrity” of the game … as if Goodell has any integrity. All the guy does is create bad blood with the players … and most of the fans were sick of him, too, until they decided their players were the bad guys.

chapnastier says: Apr 6, 2011 11:00 AM

“They are hiding business information that may or may not give a competitive advantage to other competing businesses. This is simple, hopefully one day you will get it.”

What other businesses?
Name one. C’mon, just one

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As Jerry Jones has stated they do not want to share information with other organizations. What I don’t get is your constant attempts to debate me with logic as opposed to insults.

The reality is they buy the teams knowing they will make that debt back through tax shelters, publicly funded sweetheart stadium deals and sweetheart tax deals. The vast majority of Americans would be doing well if everything they pay for was up for negotiations too.

- the blood test is being argued for hgh
- they arnt using a hgh blood test, but a general blood test (which is the reason there’s no way to our former DROY actually took hgh since there’s multiple reasons to have an elevated level in the blood. Unlike pot, where it won’t be there if u don’t take it, we all already have hgh in our system.
- the form of hgh thats most likely being used, can’t be detected by the blood test administered
-Derrick mason had surgery last year, and passed his blood test. He’s also an advocate against steroids. His issue is this is a ploy by Goodell to make the players look bad. It’s not a part of the CBA that needed to be hashed out, Goodell needs to focus on that.
-dcbronco put it best

No chance would anyone at any job agree to impromptu blood tests. Its not pissing In a cup. U may be able to give blood and carry on ur day. But ur probably not running on low body fat and running miles just to prepare for your job. I can’t come to this site anymore because it’s been flooded by uninformed idiots that try to push there flawed and void opinions. Which isn’t really their fault since they probably consider sites like this to be factual and don’t really do any type of research themselves

“They don’t want to be blood tested because they are hiding stuff.”

And the owners won’t open their books for reasons that are pure and wholesome. [ /snicker ]

OK we get it.
Owners, good.
Players, bad.

That about sums up the one-trick-pony act…

“They are hiding business information that may or may not give a competitive advantage to other competing businesses. This is simple, hopefully one day you will get it.”

What other businesses?
Name one. C’mon, just one.

What I get, is your constant attempts to speak with some authority, as though you’re involved in this.
Clue: you’re not…

The players health issues are another story. You can’t sell 10 concussions at the end for a profit. The more we know, the more it becomes clear that the players are the ones taking the real risk.

Pro player people think that if you have talent/ability you should have more rights.

“Pro owner “people think that if you invest your money and are the entity that risks the capital and has the acumen to run a company you have more rights.

I think both sides have issues they are right and wrong about.

Both my spouse and I were completely screwed by our old company and those who ran it were greedy as hell. Were they right to do what they did? Nope. But they had the right to do what they did. There’s a difference between doing right and being right. It’s too bad those two things aren’t more closely related.

*** blast Rage Against the Machine’s Bulls on Parade***

Goodell didn’t force the players to de-certify and walk away from the negotiating table after the owners presented a fair or at least a starting point. He didn’t keep the players from providing a counter offer. Nope, the players did that. They walked away, without a counter offer and stopped negotiations.

Players need to be blood tested to ensure the integrity of the game. They don’t want to be blood tested because they are hiding stuff. It has nothing to do with the current negotiations other than that the owners want that included.

Look at Minnesota where the owner and the politicians have gone out of their way to avoid having the people vote down a new publicly funded stadium. Because while you should pay for your home. You should also be paying for major corporations homes too. Owners should use their credit to acquire property just like everyone else.

They just release a report last week that said CEO are making 27% more than they were before the recession. Millions of Americans out of work and they want more. And they rape your retirement account to get it. And these are the type of people many of these owners are. You work more for less so that they can have more. The only difference in this case is that in the entertainment field the talent has the power to fight back. Some are jealous of that. Other still live with the delusion that they will one day be a rich owner too. The reality is that you will most likely always need a ticket to get into the stadium.

Goodell is a joke who spent all last season trying to be the big tough guy with players. Yes, De Smith has been too aggressive. But if this pathetic excuse for a commissioner hadn’t created such bad blood, players and owners still might have worked things out. The sooner he’s gone, the better for fans no matter whose side they’re on.

Funny how the players think drawing blood is intrusive but think its ridiculous that the owners don’t open their books .
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ZING! (And yes I know the situations aren’t EXACTLY the same but both sides are protecting themselves and to accuse one side without acknowledging the other is doing the same is hypocrisy.)

A Raven? Whining? Clutch the pearls! Surprised he didn’t get something about the refs in there. I don’t think I heard a word out of this dude until he went to Balt.

Every day that goes by, I thank goodness his wife chose Balt over NE.

Though I disagree with the notion that the fact he doesn’t know what is out there test wise means he is on it. It more likely means the OPPOSITE…he ISN’T on it. A person wanting to avoid detection who is semi-intelligent will suss out all the factors that may get him caught if getting caught via something pretty inarguable like a bona fide proven method of detection means a suspension.

They are hiding business information that may or may not give a competitive advantage to other competing businesses. This is simple, hopefully one day you will get it.

They now have a disgusting sense of entitlement that is showing up on every player. I won’t even make the “love of the game debate” because most of these guys have already made more than the average joe will in a lifetime. Sure there are some players who make league minimum… that’s still an extremely healthy paycheck. Those players shouldn’t try to live a Tom Brady lifestyle and all would be well.

If the owners won’t open the books – they’re hiding something.

Not much difference.