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Another vote against Carson Palmer to the Dolphins

Carson Palmer, Jerome Simpson

We mentioned on Thursday that the Bengals’ website wasn’t buying a possible Carson Palmer trade to the Dolphins.   NFL.com’s Vic Carucci also thinks this is a story that is going nowhere because “Palmer is going nowhere.”

“Bengals owner Mike Brown is entrenched in his position of refusing to give into Palmer’s trade demands. And when Brown digs in, he stays there,” Carucci writes.   “Anyone who has ever dealt with him in a football or business situation will tell you as much.”

Sure, the Bengals could be swayed by a Godfather offer.   But Carucci says that offer simply won’t come.

“Regardless of how desperate another team might be for a veteran quarterback — and a bunch of them are — giving up a first- and a third-round pick, or a second-round pick, or even a pair of seconds for Palmer is never going to happen,” he writes.

We don’t think Brown will trade Palmer before the 2011 season unless he got something like a first-round pick plus more.  After all, what’s the penalty of waiting until March of 2012 to see if he could do better?

The lack of player movement before the draft hurts Palmer’s leverage and increases the chances he’ll remain a Bengal or be forced to “retire” at the age of 31.

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26 Responses to “Another vote against Carson Palmer to the Dolphins”
  1. mattsffrd says: Apr 8, 2011 10:09 AM

    so in other words, Carson is retiring this year, and the Bungles get nothing.

  2. jc1958cool says: Apr 8, 2011 10:10 AM

    no CBA no TRADE no STORY!

  3. commoncents says: Apr 8, 2011 10:13 AM

    The risk is that there will potentially not be a draft next year. Why not get something for him if you can?

  4. tatum064 says: Apr 8, 2011 10:25 AM

    The secret plan is obvious. “Suck and get Luck” with the no. 1 pick next year….the irony would be for Luck to pull an Eli Manning and request a preferential trade not to go there.

  5. ernestbynershands says: Apr 8, 2011 10:32 AM

    Mike Brown, won’t budge on moving Palmer out of Cinci. Just like the team won’t budge out if last place.
    As a Browns fan, I’m thankful Paul Brown founded the Browns. Then he founded the Been-gals so that Browns fans could feel better. Whenever things are bad in the Dawg Pound, I can always feel a little better knowing I’m not a Been-gals fan.

  6. sdills83 says: Apr 8, 2011 10:40 AM

    As a life-long Bengals fan, I’d like to see Mike Brown take a shot to his ego and let Palmer go. You can’t have a starting QB who hates the city he plays for. You can’t have a starting QB demand to be let go because he dislikes the franchise, and then expect him to come back and effectively lead like a franchise QB. You certainly can’t afford to sit on the player and get nothing. We expect Palmer to be gone, but I’m with Rosenthal when he says don’t expect much until 2012.

  7. phinheads says: Apr 8, 2011 10:41 AM

    this is good for the Phins. All of those losing seasons sucked the life outta that guy.

  8. whodeykid58 says: Apr 8, 2011 10:48 AM

    Mike Brown is so frustrating. I know nothing can happen until a new CBA, but come on man. There is no need to stubborn or bull headed here. Carson will retire and then you get nothing. I don’t care if it’s a third round pick, it beats a blank. I wish he would hire someone to run the show that actually has a clue on how to build a team.

  9. phinfan says: Apr 8, 2011 10:54 AM

    That was not ELI, that was his father.

    And the reasoning was if he went to San Diego he would be playing Peyton several times a year battling maybe for playoffs each year.

    Smart move, having him in a NFC team makes him play Peyton every other year or every 3 years. Unless they meet in a superbowl.

  10. thereisalwaysnextyear says: Apr 8, 2011 10:55 AM

    “Bengals owner Mike Brown is entrenched in his position of refusing to give into Palmer’s trade demands. And when Brown digs in, he stays there,” Carucci writes. “Anyone who has ever dealt with him in a football or business situation will tell you as much.”

    AND…this is why the Bengals are the Bungles…he’d rather let a guy retire, and you know not play, then trade him and get something of value for him. Idiot.

  11. tbparker says: Apr 8, 2011 11:10 AM

    In reading Mike Brown’s earlier comments, it really seems as though he believes there is a chance Palmer will just come back.

  12. eaglesfan290 says: Apr 8, 2011 11:11 AM

    Well I can’t say I see the logic in digging your heels in and getting nothing.

    How do you think they will get a first round + for Palmer, 1 he isn’t young, 2 he isnt all that good look at the #’s 3 who in there right mind would pay the guy what he wants when he will only be on a team for maybe 4 years at best and he is on the decline? The QB class in this draft sucks but even Al Davis wouldn’t do this deal.

  13. stoutfiles says: Apr 8, 2011 11:28 AM

    “AND…this is why the Bengals are the Bungles…he’d rather let a guy retire, and you know not play, then trade him and get something of value for him. Idiot.”

    It’s more about not setting the precedent that players can sit and whine till they get what they want. They let Carson leave, then what’s stopping Chad from doing the same thing? Why don’t they just open the floodgates?

    Carson, you signed a contract to play in Cincy. Honor it.

  14. mackie66 says: Apr 8, 2011 11:29 AM

    Folks, these so called NFL experts on NFL QB’s are not so expert.
    If I was an owner and I could get Carson Palmer for a #1 draft pick, I would be nutts not to trade. First of all, #1 picks have a bad habit of not working out, Jamarcus Russell, Alex Smith, et al. And Carson Palmer is a known, established QB. with at least 5 yrs left to play. A known established QB. The guy, the man who handles the ball 100% of every play in a football game. As a Dolphin fan, I would curl up and die if the Dolphins passed on Palmer. (if they had the chance). Talk about no brainer !!!

  15. Kaz says: Apr 8, 2011 11:39 AM

    I don’t know how many people need to say that Carson is retiring and isn’t going anwhere before people will quit writing stories about it….

  16. cdwains says: Apr 8, 2011 12:06 PM

    tatum064 Said:

    “The secret plan is obvious. “Suck and get Luck” with the no. 1 pick next year….the irony would be for Luck to pull an Eli Manning and request a preferential trade not to go there.”

    Yea the Bengals would draft him and squat on his rights until he changed his mind. Bottom line is Mike Brown will not be forced into anything, he wont trade Carson Palmer, and he wouldn’t trade Luck, or his rights so Andrew had better hope he doesnt get drafted by the Bengals because in Cincinnati, Mike always win’s (except on the football field).

  17. cdwains says: Apr 8, 2011 12:08 PM

    ernestbynershands: yea because the Browns have been much much better than the Bengals over the last decade, you must enjoy losing?

    Now Charlie Sheen, he is a Bengals fan….”Winning”

  18. patriotinvasion says: Apr 8, 2011 12:21 PM

    I’ve been saying this since 2004 — Carson Palmer STINKS! He’s never won anything…ever.

  19. cdwains says: Apr 8, 2011 12:33 PM

    phinheads says: Apr 8, 2011 10:41 AM

    this is good for the Phins. All of those losing seasons sucked the life outta that guy.

    Yea since 2003 when Palmer was drafted by the Bengals, the Bengals have had 3 losing seasons 2007, 2008 & 2010. There record since 03 is 60-67-1

    The Dolphins on the other hand have had 5 losing seasons in that same span, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2009 & 2010. With a record of 55-73 in that stretch. So I guess all the “Losing” in Miami would force Palmer to opt for another organization.

  20. cdwains says: Apr 8, 2011 12:35 PM

    I would say if you put Palmer on the Colts or the Patriots he is a top 3 QB. Put Manning or Brady on the Bengals and they are probably in the same position as Palmer. Its tough to win when you have the Brown family running the organization on nickels and dimes.

  21. thefiesty1 says: Apr 8, 2011 12:49 PM

    It ain’t going to happen. Mike Brown is obstinate.

  22. commentcentral says: Apr 8, 2011 1:56 PM

    I think if I stuck 80 million dollars in someones bank account I would expect them to play for me.

    I think Carson’s got other problems than just playing for the Bengals.

  23. rushbacker says: Apr 8, 2011 2:02 PM

    Mike Brown is like a child desperately clinging to an old toy. To his own detriment, nonetheless. Remember back when the idiot Skins tried to trade them a first rounder and another high pick for Chad Johnson a few years ago? Brown obviously has no concept of an accurate valuation of players. He’s had chances to improve the organization through trades and he stubbornly refuses to do it. I feel bad for fans of that organization.

  24. theguywhotoldtimtebowtoshutthefup says: Apr 8, 2011 2:18 PM

    How has not giving into player trade demands worked for you Mike Brown?

  25. mac3333 says: Apr 8, 2011 2:43 PM

    Why trade Palmer now? What do you get for it? NOTHING for 2011.

    Due to the CBA issue players cannot be traded. Thus Palmer will only be available to trade once the CBA is resolved. More than likely that isn’t going to happen until AFTER the draft. Thus Palmer cannot be traded for a 2011 draft pick. So there is absolutely no rush to explore this option. Especially since the Bengals really don’t want to trade Palmer. They’d rather he return. The offense heated up the last few games once Ocho SelfishO was out of the lineup. Palmer had his best 2 games of the season throwing to Jerome Simpson and Andre Caldwell.

    Mike Brown is playing this EXACTLY as it should be due to the handcuff of the CBA issue. You don’t trade Palmer in 2011 since you get nothing that benefits for 2011, unless someone wants to swap a player who can contribute right away. A rarity in the NFL. You hold firm hoping Palmer blinks first. (See Pickens, Carl ; Ochocinco, Chad) If he doesn’t then you explore the option of trading him, for a 2012 pick. Why help one of the other 31 NFL teams by trading them a possible piece to the puzzle when the compensation received wouldn’t be acquired until the next year? Just wait and get the same compensation a year later. (I’ve even read that Palmer’s value might increase next year, one year removed from a bad year and some might view his resolve against Brown as a leadership quality to be admired)

  26. mastafade says: Apr 9, 2011 8:12 PM

    At this point aren’t Palmer and Henne one in the same? That being said, the Bungals will once again show why they are one of the worst run fanchises in professional sports by letting him retire and get nothing in return. Idiots.

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