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Vikings stadium bill will be submitted today

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The folks in Minnesota are trying to build a new stadium for the Vikings before the Vikings join in California the NBA team that once played in the Twin Cities.

Dave Orrick of the St. Paul Pioneer Press reports that a plan for partially financing a stadium with taxpayer money will be submitted to the Legislature on Friday.

The plan would raise up to $300 million via a sales tax on memorabilia and luxury seats, a lottery game, and even an income tax on the team’s players.  The plan also would permit the local government hosting the stadium to raise money via a sales tax — without the measure being submitted to the public for a vote.

The bill doesn’t specify a site for the stadium, but it specifies a process that could result in a site being picked in early 2012.

Potential locations include an area in Minneapolis near Target Field, where the Twins now play, the site of the current Metrodome, which would displace the Vikings for one or more seasons, and a location in nearby Ramsey County, site of the former Twin Cities Army Ammunitions Plant.

And if the folks in Minnesota can’t make it work in any of those locations, the fourth option goes by the initials “L” and “A”.

Join us at noon ET on PFT Live for a discussion of the situation with Vikings V.P. of public affairs and stadium development Lester Bagley.

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47 Responses to “Vikings stadium bill will be submitted today”
  1. saberstud75 says: Apr 8, 2011 9:54 AM

    If the bill uses taxpayer money, and the taxpayers have a vote or any say on it the bill will fail. It’s that simple.

  2. gregjennings85 says: Apr 8, 2011 9:55 AM

    Get this done. Keep the Vikings in Minnesota.

  3. waldoampere says: Apr 8, 2011 9:58 AM

    I’m not a Vikings fan and have never been to Minnesota but if they leave for LA it’s a total disgrace. An incredibly loyal fan base could get shafted because the pathetic owner wants more money. Makes you hate both sides in this lockout.

  4. godofwine330 says: Apr 8, 2011 9:59 AM

    Income tax on the teams players? Nothing says good luck in free agency like “extra taxes if you come here”.

  5. greengayfackers says: Apr 8, 2011 10:01 AM

    Good,let’s get it done!

  6. beerndonuts says: Apr 8, 2011 10:06 AM

    Good luck Minnesota on getting a deal done to keep your team.

    …I’d wish good luck to L.A., but those fair weather fans would find a way to screw it up and lose another NFL team.

  7. buhbay1c says: Apr 8, 2011 10:15 AM

    It will be nice when the stadium is built. Minnesota will have the four major professional sports and the facility to host a Final Four, unlike our neighbors to the east who remain content with playing second fiddle to the Twin Cities and Chicago.

  8. smarterthantheaveragebearfan says: Apr 8, 2011 10:15 AM

    An extra income tax on Vikings players? I am sure THAT is constitutional! Has it already been tried on Twins or Timberwolves players? I bet not….

    Heres a better idea that doesn’t involve taxes, lotterys, or other gimmicks. Have the owner (as any other business owner in Minnesota would have to do if he wanted a new building) pay for it!

    Where are those nutjob Tea Party types when you need them? We know they are out there-they elected Michelle Bachman. Get to work folks. We know you hate welfare for working class folks-do you have the same hate for corporate welfare for billionaires?

  9. johnnyb216 says: Apr 8, 2011 10:18 AM

    Waldoampere,
    The vikings don’t have an incredibly loyal fanbase. They don’t even have a marginally loyal fanbase. In fact, they have some of the worst, most unloyal fans in all of sports. And most of them will even admit it. That’s why they need to bypass a public vote to get the deal done. If this thing is put to a public vote, it will fail miserably. Being a packer fan, I would rather they stay in Minnesota. But in the other hand, their fans suck so bad, they really don’t deserve to keep their team. Granted, the vikings do have some die-hard fans here and there. But so do the jaguars.

  10. JimmySmith says: Apr 8, 2011 10:35 AM

    We can debate the level of loyalty in their fan base but its like debating the moral purity of a street hooker, if its in there at all, its hidden well.

    But I sincerely hope the Vikings stay in the NFC North for years to come. The Lions cannot be expected to continue to serve up easy Wins every year and the Vikings looked prime to replace them for the next decade at the bottom of the barrel.

    As they say, Skoal Vikings.

  11. mick730 says: Apr 8, 2011 10:37 AM

    I want the Vikings to remain in Minnesota. I think the Ramsey County location is the best; especially from a cost stadnpoint.

    I like the idea of a tax on luxury boxes and I would go a step futher and put a tax, or surcharge, or whatever you want to call it on all seats in the new stadium until whatever cost to the taxpayers are repaid. I would also devote 100% of all parking receipts to the repayment of the taxpayer funding. And lastly, there is nothing wrong with taxing the Viking players. They insist “they’re the game”, that they are partners in the franchise, but they refuse to contribute to any expenses in the NFL nor to the cost of either the construction of stadiums or the maintenance of these stadiums. Call it a surcharge on their paychecks. I don’t see why they should be exempt from this when the taxpayers who aren’t followers of the Vikings or Pro Football aren’t.

    300 million is a lot of money, although from a public standpoint, not a ton. Given all the options at repayment of the 300 million, it shouldn’t take long for that to occur.

  12. buckeye2280 says: Apr 8, 2011 10:41 AM

    In a era when states and cities can’t balance their own books without running debts a state will raise taxes to play for an industry that is already making 9 billion dollors is a joke. People need to start using there brains. Stop abusing yes ABUSING public Tax dollars for a GAME. Yes we all love the NFL but its a damm game that needs to build its own stadiums and fields and stop relying on tax dollars especially at a time when there just isnt enough to pay for all the social bull crap and this.

  13. chatham10 says: Apr 8, 2011 10:46 AM

    If I’m right I believe Major League Baseball players have to pay income tax in every city that they play in, would this be any different?

  14. tuckercarlsonisthevoiceofreason says: Apr 8, 2011 10:49 AM

    smarterthantheaveragebearfan says:
    Apr 8, 2011 10:15 AM
    Where are those nutjob Tea Party types when you need them? We know they are out there-they elected Michelle Bachman. Get to work folks. We know you hate welfare for working class folks-do you have the same hate for corporate welfare for billionaires?
    ___________________

    GE payed no income tax this year because they do things that the Obama administration likes, like buy electric cars, build windmills, and make mercury-laden compact fluorescent bulbs. Paul Ryan introduced a budget proposal to prevent corporations from using loopholes to escape paying taxes. It isn’t the tea party types that like corporate welfare, it’s the people you elect. And if you think putting people on endless welfare is good for them or the country, you’re dumber than the average Bears fan.

  15. 2dalake says: Apr 8, 2011 10:54 AM

    I think it’s funny when Packer fans like johnnyb216 rip Viking fans for not being loyal. Where’s the evidence of “the worst, most unloyal fans in all of sports?” If anything, Vikings fans are one of the most loyal fans in all of sports. They’ve been selling out everygame for several years. Thier fanbase keeps growning. But yet we have yet to win superbowl. It takes loyalty to stick with team who constantly disapoints. But yet we are still here, hoping one day we’ll raise the Superbowl trophy and join the likes of the Packers, Bears, Saints, etc. We may not be the sharpest tools in the shed, but you CANNOT call us the worst fans in all of sports.

  16. tuckercarlsonisthevoiceofreason says: Apr 8, 2011 10:55 AM

    johnnyb216 says:
    Apr 8, 2011 10:18 AM
    Waldoampere,
    The vikings don’t have an incredibly loyal fanbase. They don’t even have a marginally loyal fanbase. In fact, they have some of the worst, most unloyal fans in all of sports. And most of them will even admit it. That’s why they need to bypass a public vote to get the deal done. If this thing is put to a public vote, it will fail miserably. Being a packer fan, I would rather they stay in Minnesota. But in the other hand, their fans suck so bad, they really don’t deserve to keep their team. Granted, the vikings do have some die-hard fans here and there. But so do the jaguars.
    __________________

    Do you have anything to back up that opinion, johnny? Here’s a team with a 50-year history of losing big games in you-can’t-make-it-up fashion and the fans still love them. They’ve sold out every game since 1998 despite having the worst stadium in all of sports and having a lot of other entertainment options in the city. Am I supposed to believe Packer fans are great because they like to go to games in a small town where there’s nothing else to do but drink? In the ’70’s and ’80’s you couldn’t find a Packer fan with a searchlight. They had to play half their games in Milwaukee because they couldn’t sell out the games. They finally moved all the games back to Green Bay when they started winning. Now they hate the greatest quarterback they ever had because he played a couple of seasons for their biggest rival. That’s loyalty?

  17. tuckercarlsonisthevoiceofreason says: Apr 8, 2011 11:00 AM

    That extra income tax on the players makes the bill DOA. I doubt that it’s constitutional to target one profession for an increase in income tax, but regardless, the Vikings would never go for it. All it does is increase their costs to make up for the extra income tax and makes it harder for them to be competitive because of the salary cap. Hopefully, someone will come up with a more logical idea for generating new income, like a racino.

  18. whitetail28 says: Apr 8, 2011 11:01 AM

    Red McCombs, former Vikings owner was on Serius radio yesterday. He said that they were foolish not to pass this. He said that if you build the stadium you get a SB right away and the profits from that ALONE would pay back the taxpayers money used to build. He pretty much laughed at the fact that they wouldnt pass it as it would be HUGEEE for the economy there. He also said that he is looking to get back into the sport in a big way but had to leave Minnesota for the reason that there was no support for the team….
    So.. imagine the money it would bring the private sector much less the tax base there to get a SB in Minneapolis.
    The guy was at a lack of words for the ignorance. Said it was a NOBRANER, and said the taxpayers should be FOR it. pays for itself by the time of the SB in a few years and the rest is PURE PROFIT!!!!

  19. scytherius says: Apr 8, 2011 11:02 AM

    People are dying for want of food and health care and these idiots want to take public money to build a football stadium? You’ve got to be kidding.

  20. keeley2 says: Apr 8, 2011 11:02 AM

    This bill has no shot – not even the party that drafted it likes the smell of it. The one underhanded thing they did manage to accomplish was to take the vote out of the citizen’s hands (an exemption similar to what the Twins received to get their stadium approved). This of course does not sit well with a majority of people in the area and could doom this initiative for a long time. The Wilf’s have no interest in this community other than to expand their empire – do they care if their empire travels to LA? Probably not. The veiled threats are about to become overt I would assume.

  21. robbnar says: Apr 8, 2011 11:20 AM

    I used to be annoyed with packer fans posting on all Viking stories, but then I realized, they are jealous.

    They look to their western neighbor and see our technology, our indoor plumbing, our hygiene, our ability to marry outside of our family, and they find themselves feeling bad inside.

    The only thing going for their state is a good football team, so we should let them have it.

    Congratulations on your Super Bowl Victory!
    (You have to pat them on the head every once in a while, otherwise they get ornery.)

    At least this won’t last long, look how quickly Saints fans shut up…

  22. spawnsacs says: Apr 8, 2011 11:24 AM

    buhbay1c says:
    Apr 8, 2011 10:15 AM
    It will be nice when the stadium is built. Minnesota will have the four major professional sports and the facility to host a Final Four, unlike our neighbors to the east who remain content with playing second fiddle to the Twin Cities and Chicago.

    4 Lombardi trophies and counting for your “neighbors to the east.” Who’s playing second fiddle buhbay1c? Keep trying to convince yourself that your team means anything but the laughing stock, to the NFL.

  23. johnnyb216 says: Apr 8, 2011 11:25 AM

    Tuckercarlson,
    Yes, I can back that up. I live in the hell hole known as Minneapolis and I’ve witnessed all this first hand. Just talk to any Viking “fan” in the middle of a mediocre season such as last year and they will more than likely tell you they lost interest weeks ago. Also, the only reason the vikings “sellout” all their games is because local businesses and the tv station are called upon to buy the 5000-8000 UNSOLD tickets. Everybody knows that!!! If you don’t, your obviously in denial. I don’t ever recall the packers having to look for assistance in selling out their home games since their season tickets have been sold out for literally, LONGER THAN YOUR LOSER TEAM HAS EVEN EXISTED. I have to give you credit though. You are obviously one of those here and there fans I was talking about earlier. I can’t help but respect somebody who can stomach failure as often as a die-hard Viking fan.

  24. thegreenviking says: Apr 8, 2011 11:26 AM

    Why would people ever believe a judgement a Packer fan would say about a Vikings fans? Do you believe what Pepsi says about coke? What Republicans say about Democrats? What DeSmith says about Goodell?

  25. spawnsacs says: Apr 8, 2011 11:28 AM

    2dalake says:
    “Vikings fans are one of the most loyal fans in all of sports.”

    Key word here is ONE.

    And by selling out, do you mean seeking, rather begging, local corporations to buy up huge lots of tickets so you can “sell out” your games?

    Keep trying……

  26. tuckercarlsonisthevoiceofreason says: Apr 8, 2011 11:37 AM

    chatham10 says:
    Apr 8, 2011 10:46 AM
    If I’m right I believe Major League Baseball players have to pay income tax in every city that they play in, would this be any different?
    _____________________

    NFL players pay income tax in every city they play in too. The difference is that in this proposal, the income tax that they already pay will be raised to a new level. The state already gets a lot of tax revenue from having the Vikings here. There is no way you can single this job out to have a higher tax rate.

  27. tuckercarlsonisthevoiceofreason says: Apr 8, 2011 11:48 AM

    whitetail28 says:
    Apr 8, 2011 11:01 AM
    Red McCombs, former Vikings owner was on Serius radio yesterday. He said that they were foolish not to pass this. He said that if you build the stadium you get a SB right away and the profits from that ALONE would pay back the taxpayers money used to build. He pretty much laughed at the fact that they wouldnt pass it as it would be HUGEEE for the economy there. He also said that he is looking to get back into the sport in a big way but had to leave Minnesota for the reason that there was no support for the team….
    So.. imagine the money it would bring the private sector much less the tax base there to get a SB in Minneapolis.
    The guy was at a lack of words for the ignorance. Said it was a NOBRANER, and said the taxpayers should be FOR it. pays for itself by the time of the SB in a few years and the rest is PURE PROFIT!!!!
    _____________________

    Red McCombs was one of the worst owners in the history of sports. He didn’t leave Minnesota because there was no support for the team, he left because the fans hated him and he made a huge profit when he sold the team.

  28. tuckercarlsonisthevoiceofreason says: Apr 8, 2011 11:54 AM

    johnnyb216 says:
    Apr 8, 2011 11:25 AM
    Tuckercarlson,
    Yes, I can back that up. I live in the hell hole known as Minneapolis and I’ve witnessed all this first hand. Just talk to any Viking “fan” in the middle of a mediocre season such as last year and they will more than likely tell you they lost interest weeks ago. Also, the only reason the vikings “sellout” all their games is because local businesses and the tv station are called upon to buy the 5000-8000 UNSOLD tickets. Everybody knows that!!! If you don’t, your obviously in denial. I don’t ever recall the packers having to look for assistance in selling out their home games since their season tickets have been sold out for literally, LONGER THAN YOUR LOSER TEAM HAS EVEN EXISTED. I have to give you credit though. You are obviously one of those here and there fans I was talking about earlier. I can’t help but respect somebody who can stomach failure as often as a die-hard Viking fan.
    __________________

    I live here too and I actually hang out with Viking fans. Every fan base is more energized when the team is good than when the team is bad. It’s no different in Green Bay, or have you forgotten 1968 to 1994? Fans did not lose interest, though. There was a ton of passion about the Vikings last year because people were upset about what was happening. Also, it’s been years since unsold tickets were bought up by corporations so get your facts straight. By the way, have you been to the Metrodome? I go at least once a season and it is a terrible experience. That isn’t the fans’ fault.

  29. whitetail28 says: Apr 8, 2011 12:02 PM

    Laughingstalk!!!!! Had you asked any Minny fan the last two years they would have told you two reasons why they signed Favre the last two years.
    #1 reason was to win a SB right now…
    I agree with that one, although it left the team in shambles as they were warned.
    #2 that he would bring the team enough revenue to build the new stadium.
    What happened????
    Where are ALLLLLL the Vikings fans who told me this over and over??? It was all BS and Minny fans only wanted Favre to stick it to GB.
    Who won in the end?? WHERE IS YOUR SB?? AND WHERE IS YOUR STADIUM??????????????
    Even all the analysists on said that Minny signed Favre for revenue purposes to build the stadium.
    Im calling all of you out… You know who you are.

  30. kevinlone says: Apr 8, 2011 12:07 PM

    The Vikings have been selling out home games since 1998?? Really? I could have sworn at some point i recall some local business buying up the remaining tickets to avoid a blackout..If memory serves me correctly,one of those games was a playoff game?? I could be wrong i suppose,but if indeed that is the case,that certainly cant be considered as a “loya fan base”…I may go as far to say that it has happened more than once,but i digress…

  31. smarterthantheaveragebearfan says: Apr 8, 2011 12:11 PM

    tuckercarlsonisthevoiceofreason says: Apr 8, 2011 10:49 AM

    smarterthantheaveragebearfan says:
    Apr 8, 2011 10:15 AM
    Where are those nutjob Tea Party types when you need them? We know they are out there-they elected Michelle Bachman. Get to work folks. We know you hate welfare for working class folks-do you have the same hate for corporate welfare for billionaires?
    ___________________

    GE payed no income tax this year because they do things that the Obama administration likes, like buy electric cars, build windmills, and make mercury-laden compact fluorescent bulbs….

    ————–

    Sigh. Where to begin with such an uninformed person? Your screen name suggests a certain gullibility and distaste for facts but I will try anyway. GE is taking advantage of tax breaks put into Congress by their lobbyists while the GOP ran Congress. These laws are not “Obama laws”. In fact most predate Obamas election as a Senator-much less president. I suggest you read the NY Times (America’s paper of record) recent expose for a very interesting report of how GE has hired every former top Treasury person and top lobbyist in DC to evade its tax obligations.

  32. contra74 says: Apr 8, 2011 12:19 PM

    2dalake says:
    Apr 8, 2011 10:54 AM
    I think it’s funny when Packer fans like johnnyb216 rip Viking fans for not being loyal. Where’s the evidence of “the worst, most unloyal fans in all of sports?” If anything, Vikings fans are one of the most loyal fans in all of sports. They’ve been selling out everygame for several years. Thier fanbase keeps growning. But yet we have yet to win superbowl. It takes loyalty to stick with team who constantly disapoints. But yet we are still here, hoping one day we’ll raise the Superbowl trophy and join the likes of the Packers, Bears, Saints, etc. We may not be the sharpest tools in the shed, but you CANNOT call us the worst fans in all of sports.
    ———
    Well said! If anything, Vikings are one of the MOST LOYAL fanbases due to the fact that we keep on cheering for a team that has yet to win a Super Bowl. With that in mind, can it be said that the Packers are one of the MOST BANDWAGON teams out there?

  33. buhbay1c says: Apr 8, 2011 12:20 PM

    spawnsacs says: 4 Lombardi trophies and counting for your “neighbors to the east.” Who’s playing second fiddle buhbay1c? Keep trying to convince yourself that your team means anything but the laughing stock, to the NFL

    We get it, the Packers have four Super Bowl rings. It doesn’t change the fact that your state isn’t capable of supporting 4 pro franchises, hosting the Final Four or winning a World Series.

  34. misteremessenger says: Apr 8, 2011 12:36 PM

    Anyone else notice that EVERYTHING people from Illinois and Minnesota are proud of about their states is within an hour of the Wisconsin border? When was the last time you heard a FIB boasting of the glories of the flatland of Southern Illinois? Or a Minnesotan boasting about Moorhead? The fact is most of these folks don’t even know the vast majority of their own states because they come to Wisconsin for school and recreation. Can’t we all take pride in being part of the Greater Wisconsin area?

  35. Robert says: Apr 8, 2011 12:40 PM

    Vikings do not have a loyal -strong fan base.

    They did not sell out the last game at TCF—-which only holds 50,000

    The Upper Deck was empty….

    There is no money for a new venue in Minnesota.

    The Vikings history is a total an epic fail.

    This team needs to start fresh in another market.

    Los Angeles along with the Lakers would be a perfect venue.

  36. goombar2 says: Apr 8, 2011 12:42 PM

    Tucker is an idiot who so happens to be a viking fan. Coincidence? I don’t want to go there…

    Everything the guy says is wrong. The Packers played in Milwaukee during the 70’s and 80’s because they needed the money and fanbase… Right… The Packers played in Milwaukee starting in 1922… Sorta predates you concepts by 50 years…

    In the departure from Milwaukee, the Packers still to this day have season tickets for their Milwaukee fans that are gobbled up by folks that need to drive 2 hrs…

    In vikeland you can’t get folks to cross the street (literally the hot place for lofts is right there across the street!) for FREE tickets (companies buy them and give them away like candy).

    With every post Tucker makes I feel America has dumbed down a little more. Really, we need to invest in our schools in this country! Tucker is the poster child for this!

  37. pervyharvin says: Apr 8, 2011 12:43 PM

    I can’t wait until the Vikings get their new stadium. Hopefully the seats will be small enough to keep 80% of the Packer fans away.

  38. jayniner says: Apr 8, 2011 12:53 PM

    The 4th option as stated by Dave Orrick is realisitc and probably going to happen. The City of Industry and the City of LA have both given preliminary approvals to stadium locations, just waiting on developers and owners to begin submitting final plans.

    Vikins fans, you can do what we in southern california have done for as long as I can remember, watch your teams on TV.

    Like it or not, we have the demographics, financial resources and fan base to support a team(contrary to popular belief that over the past 20 years, we have not been able to keep a team in L.A., which is all true). Most of us were kids when that all happened…..times have changed and so will the Vikings organization.

    L.A. Vikings….not bad!

  39. Robert says: Apr 8, 2011 12:58 PM

    I can’t wait until the Vikings get their new stadium. Hopefully the seats will be small enough to keep 80% of the Packer fans away.

    That would mean only 20 percent of the Stadium would be filled with Purple Puke heads.

    Since Packer fans out number Viking fans 3-1 in Minny.

    Nobody in Minnesota(I am a resident) is going to pay billions of dollars for a new venue to watch Joe Webb.

    Nobody.

    Good Riddence..

    Los Angeles Vikings!

  40. tuckercarlsonisthevoiceofreason says: Apr 8, 2011 1:14 PM

    goombar2 says:
    Apr 8, 2011 12:42 PM
    Tucker is an idiot who so happens to be a viking fan. Coincidence? I don’t want to go there…

    Everything the guy says is wrong. The Packers played in Milwaukee during the 70′s and 80′s because they needed the money and fanbase… Right… The Packers played in Milwaukee starting in 1922… Sorta predates you concepts by 50 years…

    In the departure from Milwaukee, the Packers still to this day have season tickets for their Milwaukee fans that are gobbled up by folks that need to drive 2 hrs…

    In vikeland you can’t get folks to cross the street (literally the hot place for lofts is right there across the street!) for FREE tickets (companies buy them and give them away like candy).

    With every post Tucker makes I feel America has dumbed down a little more. Really, we need to invest in our schools in this country! Tucker is the poster child for this!
    __________________

    The first NFL regular season game the Packers played at Milwaukee was October 1, 1933, so it looks like everything you say is wrong. I didn’t say they started playing games there in the ’70’s; I just said they played them there.

  41. colinsnooks says: Apr 8, 2011 1:40 PM

    @Robert

    I think the idea of the seats being too small for Packer fans was a shot at the average girth of a Packer fan, not about the number of Viking/Packer fans in Minnesota.

    I doubt they are much bigger on average than anybody else, but it was pretty funny. Good for him.

  42. misteremessenger says: Apr 8, 2011 2:35 PM

    “average girth of a Packer fan”

    Pot, meet Kettle — folks in the Greater Wisconsin area (yes that inlcudes Chicago and the Twinkie Cities) tend to be a bit larger than average.

  43. stavreafavre says: Apr 8, 2011 3:47 PM

    They absolutely must build the new stadium in Ramsey County where that munitions factory was. Bombs, duds, explosions, implosions, Vikings – it’s poetry. Also it must be built with taxes on the common people. That is the mantra of 21st century America. Leave the rich alone so they can get richer. Get rid of medicare and social security. Limit government so it can’t hinder corporations. Build dormitories behind the fast food joints and WalMarts so the workers are always available. It works for China; it’ll work here.

  44. misteremessenger says: Apr 8, 2011 4:01 PM

    “taxes on the common people”

    would that be the 48% that pay no federal income tax? or the upper 2% of income earners who pay “only” 50% of all income tax? or maybe the upper 10% who pay 90% of all taxes.

    If the taxes on the “rich” were really low in this country, companies wouldn’t be moving their headquarters out of the U.S. — at some point soaking the rich doens’t work anymore and the economy goes down the tank.

  45. stavreafavre says: Apr 8, 2011 4:46 PM

    “soaking the rich”
    would that be them paying no social security taxes on income past $106,800? Paying 15% tax on corporate gains that their accountants can’t make disappear? Warren Buffett saying his secretary pays more in taxes than he does?

    Taxes will never be low enough to suit the rich.

  46. mac065 says: Apr 8, 2011 4:46 PM

    if the Viking move to l.a. ill leave Minnesota. how can every single city get a stadium deal done, and the Minnesota politicians sit on their butts and let the #1 team in a 4 state area leave?

  47. 22deuce says: Apr 8, 2011 10:09 PM

    A couple years ago there was a vote in MN on the ballot that raised sales taxes to support “clean water.”
    That money funded the DNR etc., but it also piggybacked all kinds of money to arts in the Twin Cities, including museums and grants for artists. Most of the residents of MN will never see any benefit from those millions of dollars.
    I feel many Minnesotans do see benefits of having the Vikings in town.

    I don’t like where the “clean water” money is going. I say put that “arts” money towards a stadium.

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