Comments on: Rex Ryan reflects on Vernon Gholston

By: rc33

rc33 — Sun, 10 Apr 2011 17:36:40 +0000

The Patriots talked up Ghoulston plenty prior to the draft despite having a glaring need for ILB’s.
There was talk about his athleticism might allowing to move inside and how Belichick loves big LB’s.
After Ghoulston went at #6, New England traded down 3 spots, picking up an extra third rounder, then taking the guy they wanted all along (Mayo).
No one else needed an ILB between the 7th and 11th picks and the Patriots were smart enough to parlay that difference into something.
Botttom line was N.E. had to replace Bruschi, Seau and others that offseason. Picking a position change candidate at with the 7th pick would’ve been beyond a huge gamble, to the point where you were certain it was a smokescreen.

By: j0esixpack

j0esixpack — Sun, 10 Apr 2011 17:24:03 +0000

Funny to watch Jets fans throw Mangini under the bus, as he did draft Gholston and he and Tannenbaum got tricked by Belichick.

But Jets fans also know that Rex Ryan promised to turn things around with Gholston

Of course, by now Jets fans know what Ryan’s “promises” are worth

By: mizzousooner

mizzousooner — Sun, 10 Apr 2011 16:09:34 +0000

I agree with some of the others, to my knowledge Gholston isn’t a bad dude and if he has handled his money well he should be in good shape financially.

His only real problem is that he was picked about 5 rounds to early in the draft, which happens multiple times each year. The switch to the 3-4 probably didn’t do him any favors either.

By: pondbridge

pondbridge — Sun, 10 Apr 2011 15:45:54 +0000

Watch BB transform him into a credible DE or even (gasp) right tackle on offense.

By: blazklobucar

blazklobucar — Sun, 10 Apr 2011 15:39:39 +0000

That picture at the top, VG sacking Matt Schaub is a bit misleading, don’t you think? I don’t think he ever got this close to a QB.

By: zackd2

zackd2 — Sun, 10 Apr 2011 13:48:21 +0000

Pats “duped” the Jets, just like Kraft claims he knew what he was getting with Brady in the 6th round.

By: blackglass3

blackglass3 — Sun, 10 Apr 2011 13:17:57 +0000

Don’t like the Jets, but you can’t blame Rex for Gholston. It was the previous piece of crap head coach and current piece of crap owner/GM that saddled Rex with that gutless punk.

You can coach until you’re blue in the face; if the guy has no heart he’s got no shot in the NFL. Rex, Belichick, hell even the ghost of Vince Lombardi can’t change that.

By: reticarga

reticarga — Sun, 10 Apr 2011 08:38:17 +0000

He was a total bust but I think some people are a bit revisionist about what their initial assessment of the player. Seems like a lot more people are calling it a bad pick now than in 2008.

He was very productive at Ohio State and Kiper and PFW both had him rated as the top DE. Despite the plays off and lack of violence in his game etc.

By: ihateannouncers

ihateannouncers — Sun, 10 Apr 2011 06:57:25 +0000

He has plenty of talent, but is obviously missing the desire to excel at the NFL level. Hard to believe he couldn’t pick it up under Ryans’ coaching, but I don’t believe he is done yet. He will go cheap to another team and will get another chance to prove he is not a bust.
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stairwayto7 says:
Apr 10, 2011 12:42 AM
Another overrated bust Ohio Stae player in the NFL!

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Not sure where this comes from, other than the fact that TOSU has more players drafted to the NFL than 80-90% of the rest of the NCAA so I guess it would figure that they would have more busts than most schools. I would wager that other schools in this category (Miami,USC, Tennessee, etc) would have similar numbers.

P.S. Hey stairway, where did your last SB MVP go to school??

By: andyreidisfat

andyreidisfat — Sun, 10 Apr 2011 06:05:39 +0000

I have said it before and I will say it again. Ihope This guy goes to a team that plays a 4-3 and gets a bunch of reps playing where he should DE. I think he might be able to play. I am still not sure why the jets took him. He never fit a 3-4 linebacker or a 3-4 DE.

Good luck to him and hope he gets himself in the right situation.

By: stairwayto7

stairwayto7 — Sun, 10 Apr 2011 04:42:23 +0000

Another overrated bust Ohio Stae player in the NFL!

By: lostsok

lostsok — Sun, 10 Apr 2011 04:37:24 +0000

His career is far from over? Well…I guess someone MIGHT need a special teams backup player…

By: waldoampere

waldoampere — Sun, 10 Apr 2011 04:22:34 +0000

“Gholston reflects on Ryan.”

Gholston was drafted by Mangini.

By: deljzc

deljzc — Sun, 10 Apr 2011 04:18:31 +0000

Everyone talks about his “Saturdays” but he did have 14 sacks his last year at OSU.

Gholston is actually a nice guy. He tries hard to make everyone around him happy. Even though football wasn’t his passion look how far his athletic ability actually got him.

The guy just didn’t have that “Michael Jordan” competitive gene that would have made him a good (maybe great) NFL player. He lacked instincts to just “let go” on the football field and let his athleticism and competitive juice just take over. That wasn’t the way he was wired.

Believe me, the Jets weren’t the only team that liked Gholston. If they didn’t take him someone else in the top 10 would have, maybe even the mad genius Belichick (we never really will know that).

By: brownsfrown

brownsfrown — Sun, 10 Apr 2011 03:57:13 +0000

Draft bust?

A former Jet?

He has a home in Cleveland with the Clowns!!

By: raiderapologist

raiderapologist — Sun, 10 Apr 2011 03:22:56 +0000

I guess it’s nice they didn’t go out of their way to bash the kid for sucking so much. But it’s just one player. I would trade JaMarcus Russell and Darrius Hayward-Bey for Gholston straight up.

By: tfbuckfutter

tfbuckfutter — Sun, 10 Apr 2011 03:19:09 +0000

The Patriots are going to act interested just to get Brad Childress to sign him….

To play on his bowling team.

By: duffer58

duffer58 — Sun, 10 Apr 2011 01:33:03 +0000

Not every pick works out. Every team misses some. Pats duped Jets? LOL
Where do you come up with such nonsense?

By: paulieorkid

paulieorkid — Sun, 10 Apr 2011 01:26:37 +0000

It always kills me how that even now in the 21st century, a segment of NFL personnel people chub up over what a player looks like in his undies – or – how many times said player can press two and a quarter – or – who can figure out how much time it will take before two choo choos collide going 30 mph and 45 mph from opposing directions on the same rail starting 15 miles apart. [The answer is 12 minutes to that last one.]

A real key to projecting who can play on Sundays is who actually PRODUCED on Saturdays.

No question: it’s not that simple and there are other factors and indeed shades of grey are involved. However, identifying those who could PLAY on Saturdays – goes a long way toward identifying who actually had the intestinal fortitude to drive himself to compete at the highest level in a collision sport.

For Gholston, he had physical gifts few experience – yet he was Vernon Inconspicuous when he was going up against the 20 year old Bob Wozniak OLs of Purdue, Iowa, Minnesota, etc. So of course, he wasn’t going to fare well playing against the big boys on Sundays.

And don’t look it up – there is no real Bob Wozniak. Just a “Grabowski” type of name to make a point.

By: mataug

mataug — Sun, 10 Apr 2011 01:06:31 +0000

I haven’t heard a bad thing(as in off field issues) about him, so hopefully he invested his money wisely.

By: stupadassle

stupadassle — Sun, 10 Apr 2011 00:48:47 +0000

Great Player? Danny Woodhead is a great player? Come on.

By: saberstud75

saberstud75 — Sun, 10 Apr 2011 00:32:22 +0000

VG= Epic BUST

Zero sacks, forced fumbles, or fumble recoveries in 3 seasons…. Total.

By: tonyinmd

tonyinmd — Sun, 10 Apr 2011 00:15:24 +0000

Terrell Suggs struggled at first? You mean being the defensive rookie of the year and 12 sacks your first year is struggling? Wow…

By: raynman49

raynman49 — Sun, 10 Apr 2011 00:14:21 +0000

There were red flags all over the place before that draft. Just a bad job by the Jets. He took plays off in college. Why didn’t they see that?

By: hobartbaker

hobartbaker — Sun, 10 Apr 2011 00:12:22 +0000

Gholston reflects on Ryan.

Badly.

By: patriotsdefense

patriotsdefense — Sat, 09 Apr 2011 23:38:10 +0000

“The Jets nevertheless were infatuated with Gholston, perhaps because they believed that the Patriots were, too. The grift will be completed if the Patriots indeed give Gholston a second chance and turn him into a great player, like they did last year with former Jet Danny Woodhead.”

Is it me or did i just hear the sound of millions of NY Jets fan jumping off the Brooklyn Bridge? I think the Patriots will pick up Gholston and them drop him a couple weeks into camp. The guy can’t play and you can’t teach talent which he has little off. But 6th overall came with straight cash hommie. guy should be set if he doesnt spend it like dez bryant.

By: dewalt2990

dewalt2990 — Sat, 09 Apr 2011 23:37:52 +0000

Sounds like square peg syndrome to me.

By: kevo126

kevo126 — Sat, 09 Apr 2011 23:33:01 +0000

“Ryan compared the player to Ravens linebacker/defensive end Terrell Suggs, who struggled at first after being taken high in the draft, but who eventually flourished under Ryan.”

suggs had 12 sacks his rookie year and was defensive rookie of the year. how is that struggling???? wow.

By: ny82jy

ny82jy — Sat, 09 Apr 2011 23:13:07 +0000

Whoever wants him take him. If he plays better good for him and the team that picked him up . But I will never regret the jets dumping him and I am glad that he is FINALLY off the team.