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Examining whether Eagles fans appreciate the team

When Ross Tucker was on PFT Live earlier this week, he made the case that Eagles fans don’t appreciate the current run of success the team is having.  He called the Andy Reid era the “glory days” of the franchise, something we’ve often thought.

“There’s something to be said for winning the whole thing,” CSNPhilly.com’s Ray Didinger told  Thursday.  “It’s been 51 years since you won a championship. . . . When every year ends the same, you stop being happy about it.”

While the Eagles have easily been the best team in the division over the last decade, they don’t have any titles to show for it.  We’ve often thought Eagles fans have been spoiled by success, but Didinger makes a compelling case.

“When you come from the NFC East . . . And you look around.  The Dallas Cowboys have five Lombardi trophies, the Giants have three Lombardi trophies, the Redskins have three Lombardi trophies . . . the Eagles, not so much.”

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  1. johnnymcc says: Apr 14, 2011 4:44 PM

    Of course we appreciate our team. For the last 10 years, every August we think we have a legit chance to win the Superbowl. We have obviously not done that, but that feeling that the success of our team allows us to have each and every season is exciting. There are loads of teams that don’t get to experience the sense of “being in the conversation” every year, and for that, we thank you.

    But seriously, let’s get it done already.

  2. east96st says: Apr 14, 2011 4:46 PM

    “The Dallas Cowboys have five Lombardi trophies, the Giants have three Lombardi trophies, the Redskins have three Lombardi trophies . . . the Eagles, not so much.”

    Which is why the fans of the other three teams so enjoy laughing at Eagles fans. They talk and talk and talk and at the end of the season, their team NEVER lifts the trophy. It’s like the movie Groundhog Day, but the Eagles never figure out how to make it stop. Guaranteed, if there’s football come August, ALL the Eagle fans will be here posting, once again, “this is the year!” and, once again, they will fall flat. 51 years and counting!!! Greatest thing that ever happened to the NFC East. The entertainment value of watching the Eagle fans slink off in misery after another year of coming up short is absolutely priceless.

  3. wellthatsaloadofcrap says: Apr 14, 2011 4:59 PM

    Didinger gets it

  4. italyprodigy says: Apr 14, 2011 5:00 PM

    And he is speaking for whom? himself i hope. every football fan in the world gets frustrated, say things that even we know are stupid, even before we say them. we have had alot of success, but to me it is more of a travesty to lose constantly in the NFC Championship then to end the regular season 7-9, because you know the season is over instead of it hitting you all at once like the playoffs do, with the playoffs comes expectations every single time and you cannot help feeling it, its not so much feeling let down, its putting so much of your time and life into something and watching it come up just short. Don’t get me wrong, we have been one of the most consistent teams in the league for awhile now, thinking back, of course id trade all the years we got to the NFC championship for just one superbowl, thats why we all watch the game. But thats all hindsight. Eventually we wont come up short, we will win the big game, and im going to hope its this season, just like every season.

  5. stevo8drum says: Apr 14, 2011 5:06 PM

    to uderstand our pain you only need to look to a few posts ago at how we get laughed at. We have been BY FAR the best team in the NFCE during Reids tenure but its not enough…. we need a Championship.

  6. kevsright says: Apr 14, 2011 5:17 PM

    east96st says:
    The entertainment value of watching the Eagle fans slink off in misery after another year of coming up short is absolutely priceless.
    ———————————————-

    We absolutely appreciate the team, and the fact Reid has been our most successful HC. Like johnnymcc says, get it done already.

    As far as the other three teams goes..the ‘Skins fans aren’t saying much these days, so it remains our lot to keep knocking the other two teams out of the running. Isn’t that so, East96cesspool?? :mrgreen:

  7. bluefan204 says: Apr 14, 2011 5:24 PM

    This won’t be a popular opinion around here, and as a Giants fan, I love to see them come up short every year, but for all the accolades that Reid gets, I see him as being the real problem with that team. The guy is a disastrous game and clock manager, and no matter how well it’s working in any given game, he abandons the run. Stubborn arrogance and stupidity won’t win a Lombardi trophy.

    Again, not that I mind seeing it all crumble when it counts, but purely as a football fan, I don’t think they’ll ever get over the hump as long as Reid is at the helm.

  8. tombrookshire says: Apr 14, 2011 5:36 PM

    Ray Didinger is a media guy and a true fan at the same time. He is one of the most knowledgeable guys around when it comes to pro football and all things Eagles. Ray is spot on here, too. The disconnect between fans and the team is not whether they win but that the team-fan relationship is dysfunctional. Philly fans are active, passionate and completely invested in their football team from childhood. We feel like we are part-owners in a way because of our undying loyalty and the suffering we did through losing seasons and horrible owners. Today, the organization wins, yes, but victory is bittersweet. The front office takes all the credit and only grudgingly acknowledges the role of fan support. We aren’t allowed to participate in anything that doesn’t involve giving them money. They use the team like a license to print money and see the fans as a necessary evil. Reid and Lurie and Banner are some of the most tone deaf executives in sports. Reid is an arrogant, condescending coach who never offers any honest insights into the game or his own decision-making process. He routinely offers non-answers to questions and makes no effort to hide his distain for local media, the guys who ask questions on our behalf. President Joe Banner is known for making insensitive and inflammatory remarks with an arrogant smirk on his face. The owner, Jeff Lurie once tried to ban outside food in the stadium, a tradition dating back to the founding of the team. He also bragged that the Eagles is the gold standard of the NFL without winning a thing. The Steelers and Patriots may have something to say about that.

  9. janvanflac says: Apr 14, 2011 5:42 PM

    yes a SB trophy would be nice but watching them drive a stake through the heart of the Giants made this season worth it for me.

    As for the Skins…they may have 3 lombardi trophies gathering dust but they are a joke of a franchise.

    The Cowboys are only slightly less of a joke and massive underachievers, year after year.

  10. nationalmediacansuckit says: Apr 14, 2011 5:44 PM

    Eagle fan talk more #@&$ than you know and don’t have any hardware to show. Those fans are such comedians. Little chihuahua’s. All bark no bite.

  11. bluefan204 says: Apr 14, 2011 5:55 PM

    janvanflac says: Apr 14, 2011 5:42 PM

    yes a SB trophy would be nice but watching them drive a stake through the heart of the Giants made this season worth it for me.

    —-

    So it’s true. The two Giants games every year are the Super Bowl for you guys. Kinda sad, but hey…..if thats all you expect of your team, well…..who am I to judge?

  12. SKOHR says: Apr 14, 2011 5:55 PM

    Boooooooooooooo!

  13. sufferingbirdsfan says: Apr 14, 2011 5:59 PM

    Would I rather be Cleavland? No. But as Didinger said, after 51 years just being good isn’t good enough. Especially when everyone else in your division has MULTPLE rings while we’re sitting at zero. It’s way past time to get it done.

  14. terryleather says: Apr 14, 2011 6:00 PM

    Browns fans had the same situation in the late 80’s. Marty Schottenheimer took them to a couple AFC Championship games but they never could beat Denver. Marty is the classic example of a coach that racks up a ton of regular season wins and then chokes in the playoffs. He did it in Kansas City and San Diego too. Reid seems to be in the same mold.

    The Eagles GM does a great job of getting talent for the team. Maybe it’s time for him to try a new coach and hope that it gives the team the spark it’s missing. If I had to pick somebody, I’d go with Brian Billick or Rob Ryan.

  15. eaglesfan290 says: Apr 14, 2011 6:10 PM

    Trust me Eagles fans are die hard fans!

  16. kingdm8 says: Apr 14, 2011 6:11 PM

    Every time someone uses the (often overused and/or misused) phrase “not so much” I want to punch them in the throat.

  17. canadianvikingfaniii says: Apr 14, 2011 6:12 PM

    Hey at least your team isn’t the Vikings.

  18. newagerocker says: Apr 14, 2011 6:28 PM

    I listen to Ross Tucker on Sirius and I respect him, but he doesn’t get it. Ray Didinger is from the area and has been a fan his whole life, he gets it. I appreciate the fact that we don’t have perennial losing seasons anymore BUT at some point you have to take the next step. You can’t ask anything more of the fans, the Linc is sold out for years to come. It’s to the point where Grandparents are left to tell the first hand tells of the glory days gone by. Most members of the last Championship team have passed away and those left are elderly. It’s turning into a baseball town, it’s time to turn that back around.

  19. sprest83 says: Apr 14, 2011 6:31 PM

    Eagle fans don’t appreciate anything. They should all be thrown in jail! Bunch of a-holes!

  20. egls7 says: Apr 14, 2011 6:44 PM

    Of course we appreciate our team. Yes there is the occasional dumbass ignorant fan but most of us are loyal. I feel like we are the most picked on fan base

  21. jakek2 says: Apr 14, 2011 6:48 PM

    yes a SB trophy would be nice but watching them drive a stake through the heart of the Giants made this season worth it for me.
    ————–
    This is what separates Eagles fans from Giants fans. Eagle fans measure the success of their team against the Giants and Giant fans measure the success of their team against whether they hoisted Lombardi.

    I guess if you keep your expectations low, the sting of failure becomes less over the years.

  22. jakek2 says: Apr 14, 2011 6:51 PM

    “While the Eagles have easily been the best team in the division over the last decade”

    Disagree with “easily”. Arguably is more appropriate. Giants have been to two SBs, won 1, won a bunch of divisions and had the second longest playoff streak next to Colts up until last year.

  23. scampbell1975 says: Apr 14, 2011 6:53 PM

    Eagles fans don’t deserve a championship. Their fans are a bunch arrogant, brash, a holes. No one wants to go watch a game in that dump of a town with a bunch of drunken inbreds.

  24. smergaman says: Apr 14, 2011 7:05 PM

    bluefan204 says:
    Apr 14, 2011 5:24 PM
    This won’t be a popular opinion around here, and as a Giants fan, I love to see them come up short every year, but for all the accolades that Reid gets, I see him as being the real problem with that team. The guy is a disastrous game and clock manager, and no matter how well it’s working in any given game, he abandons the run. Stubborn arrogance and stupidity won’t win a Lombardi trophy.

    Again, not that I mind seeing it all crumble when it counts, but purely as a football fan, I don’t think they’ll ever get over the hump as long as Reid is at the helm.

    ————————————————-
    As an Eagles fan I think your assessment of the team and coach are spot on. Always nice to hear that fan of other teams see the exact same thing 99% of Eagles fan see.

    Very well said.

  25. janvanflac says: Apr 14, 2011 7:14 PM

    Don’t give me that BS about higher standards….as a fan, your standards don’t matter.

    Of course I want them to win it all. And the fact that they make the playoffs every year makes it more likely that they will before any of their underachieving division rivals collect another trophy. But it’s a great ride…

    And yes, watching Coughlin’s head explode was great fun…

  26. smergaman says: Apr 14, 2011 7:17 PM

    terryleather says:
    Apr 14, 2011 6:00 PM

    The Eagles GM does a great job of getting talent for the team. Maybe it’s time for him to try a new coach and hope that it gives the team the spark it’s missing. If I had to pick somebody, I’d go with Brian Billick or Rob Ryan.

    ————————————–
    Howie Roseman, Eagles GM, reports into Reid… he has absolutly no power at all.

  27. 3octaveFart says: Apr 14, 2011 7:46 PM

    Eagles fans don’t need a reason to hate.
    They hate everybody, even their own teams.
    They’re Republicans, they can’t help it.

  28. crubenst says: Apr 14, 2011 7:58 PM

    I love and appreciate the Eagles just like I love and appreciate my wife. And if she sucked on defense and I knew it would keep her from becoming a champion, I’d tell her…. because I love and appreciate her.

  29. bigbluefan1 says: Apr 14, 2011 7:58 PM

    Sorry to bust all your bubbles but the best team in the past ten years is the Giants
    What makes a team great winning it all.
    Every year 32 teams try to go the distance and do the deed.
    And who did the Giants beat for it all the unbeatable the team that had not lost a game all season they had all those wins and I know they would give them all back for just that one game.
    So the past couple years the egals beat the giants then there fans hussle back across the river and go back to there rowhomes while giants fans kick back in style
    Giants fans love there team but Egals fans live for there team get a life and while your at it move out of that third rate city.

  30. prior0knowledge says: Apr 14, 2011 8:04 PM

    The problem is Reid is a good HC and a great QB developer, but he has a serious “choking” flaw.

    Because he is such a good and consistant HC and he makes the playoffs every year, it is impossible to replace him. But his choking flaw makes it difficult for him to win big games.

  31. mattyc says: Apr 14, 2011 8:10 PM

    @ any Eagles fan that has a problem with your continued success…… Come to Ohio, I’ll rent my basement to you, every Sunday (mind you, not Monday night or Thursday night or anything past the first of Jan) you can sit & watch the Browns with me & my family.

    And for any of you that feel Andy Reid is the reason for your “MISERY”, then please, lets make a trade, & you get the bulk of the deal. I’ll give you:
    Eric Mangini, Romeo Crennel, Butch Davis, Chris Palmer, Spergon Wynn, Charlie Frye, Tim Couch, Courtney Brown, Gerard Warren, Brady Quinn, Dwight Clark, Carmen Policy, Art Modell, Jim Brown, Derek Anderson, Kellen Winslow, Todd Grantham, Brian Daboll, & Dawg Pound Mike.

    You give us:
    Andy Reid, we keep Tom Heckert & get all of their combined drafts from 2005-09 Rds 1-4 + Mike Vick.

    Thanks

  32. alkscout says: Apr 14, 2011 8:24 PM

    Dude, New York is a giant eyesore. Nastiest city I’ve ever been to.

    Philadelphia is a much, much nicer city.

    “Third rate”?

    I hope that’s a joke. Just crossing the Washington Bridge and getting a whiff of Jerome Avenue makes you want to turn around.

    Philly isn’t on par with some other cities, but it puts NYC to shame.

    Hell, I’d rather go to Trenton than NYC.

  33. bluefan204 says: Apr 14, 2011 8:51 PM

    janvanflac says: Apr 14, 2011 7:14 PM

    Don’t give me that BS about higher standards….as a fan, your standards don’t matter.

    Of course I want them to win it all. And the fact that they make the playoffs every year makes it more likely that they will before any of their underachieving division rivals collect another trophy.

    My standards matter to ME. I’m the one dropping all the money on tickets and merchandise. I expect my team to compete and win a SB every year. Division titles don’t impress me, nor does beating a division rival in the regular season and thumping ones chest about it.

    As far as “underachieving”, it’s been 51 years for the Eagles. In the meantime, 11 Super Bowls have been won by their division rivals, including 2 appearances and one win by the Giants in the past decade alone. Calling other teams “underachievers” is asinine at best, and shows that you’re not seeing the reality of the situation.

  34. nfl fan says: Apr 14, 2011 11:24 PM

    51 years without winning the big game, how is that even possible? 0-51.

    It’s hard to imagine what it must be like for eagle fans, generation after generation, to be so disappointed, time and time again. Nope, can’t imagine that as a Giants Fan…but that might explain why eagle fans are so angry.

    I just don’t understand why they act like they’re entitled to something or as if they’ve won something. In fact, look how they act towards fans of other teams, the Steelers, Cowboys, Redskins, Giants, Packers and others who have won a (or multiple) Superbowls…can you blame them, I’d be pissed.

    Don’t worry eagle fans, your Super Bowl win is coming…just hope it’s during your generation.

  35. melonnhead says: Apr 15, 2011 12:57 AM

    The Cowboys are only slightly less of a joke and massive underachievers, year after year.

    ————————————————–

    Except for the FIVE SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONSHIPS, I might agree.

  36. melonnhead says: Apr 15, 2011 1:13 AM

    Of course I want them to win it all. And the fact that they make the playoffs every year makes it more likely that they will before any of their underachieving division rivals collect another trophy. But it’s a great ride…

    ————————————————-

    Wow, “every year”? They’re on a three-season playoff streak. Congrats on the great ride?

  37. laeagle says: Apr 15, 2011 2:04 AM

    To the Giants fans who think we gauge our success by how well we do against you, sorry to burst your bubble. We enjoy beating you because you take it so well, like good little girls, and because it’s just so much fun, time after time after time, again and again and again. But it’s not our end goal.

  38. raiderinpa says: Apr 15, 2011 9:24 AM

    No matter what, these fans will complain about something… A good example was the grief they gave McNabb because they couldnt win a championship… He was one of the best QBs in the league, if you couldnt win a championship with him, there were weaker links on the team other than QB…

    Regardless, they arent as bad as the whining babies on the western side of their state!!

  39. bluefan204 says: Apr 15, 2011 8:12 PM

    laeagle says: Apr 15, 2011 2:04 AM

    …it’s just so much fun, time after time after time, again and again and again.

    Funny. Thats how we feel about every season that the Eagles rip your hearts out and stomp on them repeatedly. Meanwhile, you don’t know, nor will you ever know. Perhaps your great grandchildren will be so fortunate to see what it’s like to see your team fulfill the “end goal”

  40. zeussuperman says: Apr 15, 2011 8:32 PM

    East96st is still just sad that the Eagles personally ended the Giants season with the first walk-off punt return in history.

    And we ended their “Super Bowl Repeat” playoff run when McNabb picked the phone up to tell the guys in the booth “Hey, Vagiants — seasons over, bitches!”

    You guys only won the SB recently because you didn’t have to face the Eagles. Between the Birds and Cliff Lee telling NYC that it was a filthy cesspool he wouldn’t raise his children in, New York is basically a Philadelphia-owned subsidiary at this point.

  41. bluefan204 says: Apr 15, 2011 10:03 PM

    zeussuperman says: Apr 15, 2011 8:32 PM

    You guys only won the SB recently because you didn’t have to face the Eagles.

    Oh yeah, thats right.

    The “Gold Standard”. The standard by which all NFL teams measure their success. Everybody wants to be 0-51.

    The only thing Philly owns is the title of “Worst sports fans in the country”

    Vagiants? Seriously?

  42. jroman11 says: Apr 16, 2011 9:32 PM

    @bluefan204

    Looking back at your 1st post regarding Reid…

    The Eagles finished in the top 5 in rushing in 2010. I’ll send you the link if you want to see it. You’re certainly entitled to your opinion, but do some research before you make more inaccurate posts.

  43. bluefan204 says: Apr 17, 2011 9:36 AM

    So he runs the ball all the time? He’s not the least bit pass happy?

    You are one in maybe a million people who thinks that way, my friend. There is nothing inaccurate about my comment. Know why they finished in the top 5 in rushing?

    Michael Vick.

    100 attempts, 676 yds with 9 TD’s. Those are the stats of a backup RB on 31 other NFL teams. No research required, and still 100% accurate.

  44. jroman11 says: Apr 17, 2011 6:24 PM

    @bluefan204

    I think you forgot LeSean McCoy – 1080 rushing yards and Jerome Harrison 300+.

    Sure, it helps when your qb can run too, but let’s not make it seem like they don’t have a legitimate running game.

    Today’s NFL is a passing league. It’s not the 70’s anymore. Reid can coach.

  45. bluefan204 says: Apr 17, 2011 9:41 PM

    They most definitely have the talent to run the ball. I never disputed that. Reid simply doesn’t use that talent nearly as much as he should. I’ve seen enough Eagles games over Reid’s tenure that have made me, and everyone else in the room(which included several Eagles fans), to ask the question:

    What the hell is he doing?!

    There have been literally dozens of games in the last 5 years where the run was working like crazy, he completely abandoned it, and the game was lost. I certainly didn’t mind seeing the loss, because I’m a Giants fan, but I’m also a football fan that can be objective. He makes genuinely stupid and nonsensical decisions in games all the time. He’s a good coach obviously, but he’s not a GREAT coach like so many believe, and mark my words….when the Eagles finally win a SB, he will not be the Head Coach. He’s very good at finding talent for his club, and he knows how to bring QB’s along, but that doesn’t make him a great coach.

  46. jroman11 says: Apr 18, 2011 12:59 PM

    The Eagles and the Giants don’t run the same offense. The Eagles offense is based on the pass, not the run. They run when it’s working.

    I back up Reid because I feel that he’s a good coach capable of winning a Super Bowl. It took Tom Coughlin a while to get one. Because of the things you mentioned – talent evaluation, qb grooming, motivation, consistent 10+ win seasons – I feel that he’s an excellent coach. Top 5 in my opinion.

    The Eagles fans who don’t think Reid is a good coach have quickly forgotten the days of Kotite and Rhodes.

  47. bluefan204 says: Apr 18, 2011 3:13 PM

    jroman11 says: Apr 18, 2011 12:59 PM

    The Eagles and the Giants don’t run the same offense. The Eagles offense is based on the pass, not the run. They run when it’s working.

    I’m well aware that the two teams don’t run the same offense. This isn’t a comparison between the Giants and the Eagles.

    Philly does run the ball, but then they stop. There have been games when running would have served them a hell of a lot better, and he still kept airing it out. I have talked to literally hundreds of Eagles fans about this, and 98% of them agreed with me. In the NFL, if you can’t run the ball, even just a little bit, you are toast, regardless if you operate in a pass happy offense. In my opinion, its a major reason why they haven’t gotten over the hump.

  48. jroman11 says: Apr 18, 2011 10:00 PM

    bluefan204 says: Apr 18, 2011 3:13 PM

    jroman11 says: Apr 18, 2011 12:59 PM

    The Eagles and the Giants don’t run the same offense. The Eagles offense is based on the pass, not the run. They run when it’s working.

    I’m well aware that the two teams don’t run the same offense. This isn’t a comparison between the Giants and the Eagles.

    ___

    Then don’t turn it into one. Philly’s offense isn’t about slamming your 260 lb. back into the line of scrimmage for 2 yards a pop every other down. It’s about spreading it out with multiple receivers and backs and getting the ball down the field. And again, the Eagles were top 5 in rushing as a team last year. THEY RUN THE BALL.
    If you really knew as much as you claim about the Eagles, you would know that their defense is the problem right now. The offense is fine.

  49. bluefan204 says: Apr 19, 2011 4:38 PM

    How did I turn it into a Giants/Eagles comparison? That makes zero sense.

    Ask ANYONE who follows football and they’ll tell you that if your team can’t move the ball on the ground, you are going to struggle, because you will become one dimensional. So the Eagles were a top 5 rushing team last year…..what about the years before? Have you been watching them for long? It’s no secret that Reid abandons the run inexplicably all the time. Can’t make this stuff up, my man. It’s a fact. I grew up in Eagles country. I have literally hundreds of friends that are die-hard Eagles fans, and their biggest gripe has always been the disappearance of a rushing attack at the worst possible times.

    Don’t count on stats to tell the story.

  50. jroman11 says: Apr 19, 2011 8:17 PM

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/rushing

    Check out this link. Look at team rushing attempts.

    We’re not talking about previous seasons, right? We’re talking about Reid’s current coaching skills/ability.

    Obviously, we disagree on this topic. I will say that I felt in previous seasons they went away from the run, but that certainly wasn’t an issue last year with the emergence of McCoy & Vick. Getting Weaver back this season will only help.

    I’ve been an Eagles fan since I was a kid and that’s why I point to the Kotite/Rhodes era(s) as a main reason why fans should appreciate Reid; that certainly goes for the “hundreds” of Eagles fans that you know.

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