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Kolb contract pricetag will make deal tougher

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A few weeks back, we mentioned how coming up with a new contract for Kevin Kolb would probably be trickier for any interested team than coming up with draft pick compensation.

Multiple personnel men that spoke with Tom Pelissero of espn1500.com agree with the sentiment.

“There’s no way I pay him like a proven guy,” said one AFC executive.  “If you give up a one, that’s your guy. You’re going to ride with him, so you’re going to pay him. But you’ve still got to make sure that the finances are such that it’s based on what he’s proven. Whether you’re dealing with the agent or not, he has to understand I’m paying part of the price in draft picks.”

Three of four sources Pelissero talked to said they would give up a first-round pick for Kolb, whose agents have reportedly spread the word will require a sizable multi-year deal with any trade.

“You can’t trade for the guy” without an extension, another source told Pelissero.  “He’s not going to play for what he’s making right now in the last year of his contract.”

Trading Kolb after the draft complicates things, but it should still happen.  Ray Didinger was a guest on PFT Live Friday and believes Kolb is as good as gone.  We agree; it only takes one team.

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34 Responses to “Kolb contract pricetag will make deal tougher”
  1. reidstinks says: Apr 15, 2011 8:26 AM

    Owners might haggle about money with the union but when it comes to paying or over paying these guys there’s always a few takers willing to spend foolishly.

  2. paulnoga says: Apr 15, 2011 8:27 AM

    Lets get football back first.

  3. MichaelEdits says: Apr 15, 2011 8:27 AM

    The Dolphins will give up a second rounder…

  4. oldbyrd says: Apr 15, 2011 8:31 AM

    Absolutely no sure shots @ QB in this draft. However their are a lot of possible busts. Like Ryan Leaf. Kolb starts right now. He still has a great deal of upside. Give him a good line and he will be a success. Teams that need a QB are finished for the season if they don’t get a viable QB. I see 49ers as the team that could most profit from Kolb.

  5. kspl1 says: Apr 15, 2011 8:32 AM

    Who cares where he goes. He’s overrated and I’m sick of hearing about him

  6. snowpea84 says: Apr 15, 2011 8:37 AM

    Just ridiculous. We’ve seen teams give up more money every single year in the draft for guys who have proven less.
    When you factor what he has shown with what else is available att the QB position you end up not only paying for what he has shown (which is good) but aklso a premium since he knows he’s your best option.

  7. haroldballsagna says: Apr 15, 2011 8:46 AM

    yea give up a first round pick for a guy who turtles at the first sign of pressure and throws only checkdowns off his back foot

  8. broncfanor says: Apr 15, 2011 8:58 AM

    The fact that people believe a 5th year back up is worth a first round pick and a big contract shows how weak this years QB class is.

  9. tombrookshire says: Apr 15, 2011 9:00 AM

    Nonsense. To attract a first round pick means that he’s done enough already. Pay the man. Matt Schaub did little really, and hasn’t done much since, but got a big payday with the Texans. I think Kolb is a better QB than Schaub. Kolb needs to play regularly behind a solid OL to and get into the game’s flow. Reid’s system suits him in as far as the short passing game, but he isn’t going to put a team on his shoulders, at least not often. He’ll succeed on a squad with a more balance attack than Reid’s pass, pass, pass offense. I would go a little heavier on the run with Kolb behind center. Thought Shanny would have played McNabb more that way last year, but he wanted to put it all on McNabb’s shoulders, and he isn’t able to do that anymore. Kolb is a smart guy and a leader, but wherever he ends up, he will be much better team general partnered with a top RB like Peterson carrying the bulk of the offensive workload.

  10. imongo says: Apr 15, 2011 9:03 AM

    Sure would be nice for Minnesota to pick him up. But not for stupid money. He is second string for a reason.

  11. herlies says: Apr 15, 2011 9:06 AM

    Kevin Kolb last year:

    5 starts

    6 fumbles

    7 TDs

    7 INTs

    76 QB rating

  12. txchief says: Apr 15, 2011 9:08 AM

    Idiotically overpaying players is largely what has gotten the NFL into the spot they’re in now. The players most often get paid on the basis of the personnel department’s estimate of potential, not actual production.

    No business of any sort other than professional sports can operate effectively long term in such a fashion. Prior to the current labor unrest, the NFL was really the only sport not in a state of decline. Unfortunately, if the players and agent get their way, the NFL will be transformed into MLB where there are few competitve teams, and there is a lack of interest by fans that don’t happen to live where the big money teams reside.

    I don’t think that the players understand that if the league is compromised, the number of high paying jobs will ultimately shrink, not increase. The NFL and its’ players have benefitted greatly from the relatively level “playing field” created by revenue sharing, the draft and a salary cap, but what is really needed is a generous player pay scale that truly rewards productive players and hastens the exit of those who don’t produce or in other ways become a detriment to their team.

    I’d also like to see the league and union develop a program to truly support the retirees that have sacrificed their bodies and sustained lasting injuries from playing the game. The “I want all the money I can get NOW!” mindset on both sides will surely destroy professional football as we know it.

  13. thereisalwaysnextyear says: Apr 15, 2011 9:09 AM

    “There’s no way I pay him like a proven guy,” said one AFC executive. “If you give up a one, that’s your guy. You’re going to ride with him, so you’re going to pay him. But you’ve still got to make sure that the finances are such that it’s based on what he’s proven. Whether you’re dealing with the agent or not, he has to understand I’m paying part of the price in draft picks.”

    This makes NO sense. When you draft a guy you use that pick on him and you pay him like a “proven guy” (assuming he’s a first round pick) and he’s done NOTHING in the NFL. At least this guy has played some games and shown he can get the ball downfield. I was stunned to read the above. What an absolute idiotic thing to say. Does this guy not watch the draft and see what the guys get paid? Maybe in a new world where there are rookie salary slots he will have a point, but not in the way things work as of now. Must have been someone from the Browns(sorry fans) to say something that absolutely out there stupid.

  14. gtmann says: Apr 15, 2011 9:55 AM

    The Eagles would be crazy to trade Kolb . We own him cheap (1.4 mil) . And with Vick’s style of play he is bound to get hurt . Plus I saw him regressing to his old Atlanta self late in the season .That pick to close the GB game was just STUPID ! It was 1st down , 33 sec on the clock , and he had Macklin wide open down the middle !!! When Vick goes down , or goes into meltdown , do you really want to hand the keys to Kafka who has NEVER taken a snap in a regular season game ?!!!

  15. kingjoe1 says: Apr 15, 2011 10:06 AM

    If Kolb messes around too much, the eagles will hold onto for the year and his career will again be stunted. If they can get a trade done, he should accept it and worry about contract later. If he can play he will make a ton of cash after the season.

  16. gotommyw21 says: Apr 15, 2011 10:08 AM

    1) Kolb was player of the week twice last year … dismantled the falcons … and had another two 300 yard games the year before. His track record is stronger than Schaub’s was.

    2) Of course he wants a long term deal and he will get one. This is all a smokescreen by Vikings and Niners so they have an excuse later as to why they didn’t trade Kolb. Too much money — look how much Newton and Gabbert get and they are both projects at best.

    3) The deal is already done. Kolb and 23d pick and ealges 3d rounder to the Cardinals for the 5th pick and Cards 3d rounder. Even if the lockout doesn’t get lifted, they can draft each other’s players and make the deal when the lockout is lifted. Good deal for both teams – fair – Whisenhunt has to win now and Kolb gives him best chance vs a rookie … and Eagles get the best player in the draft at corner Patrick Peterson.

  17. dccowboy says: Apr 15, 2011 10:17 AM

    herlies says: Apr 15, 2011 9:06 AM

    Kevin Kolb last year:

    5 starts

    6 fumbles

    7 TDs

    7 INTs

    76 QB rating

    ===========

    Agreed, I have no idea what these ‘NFL personnel men’ are seeing in Kolb. Yeah he had two great games in 2009, but then in 2010, he had a so-so game, got hurt, lost his start, and, when he started late in the season in two games he was pretty bad (37 QB rating against the woeful #31 ranked Dallas pass D. I don’t care that he didn’t have the ‘starters’, if he’s as good as these guys think he is, he should have still done better against Dallas, who made every QB they faced, even the bad ones, look like Peyton Manning) .

    I wouldn’t give up a #1 for him and I certainly wouldn’t give him a ‘starting QB’ deal on top of it.

  18. dccowboy says: Apr 15, 2011 10:30 AM

    gotommyw21 says: Apr 15, 2011 10:08 AM

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    3) The deal is already done. Kolb and 23d pick and ealges 3d rounder to the Cardinals for the 5th pick and Cards 3d rounder. Even if the lockout doesn’t get lifted, they can draft each other’s players and make the deal when the lockout is lifted. Good deal for both teams – fair – Whisenhunt has to win now and Kolb gives him best chance vs a rookie … and Eagles get the best player in the draft at corner Patrick Peterson.

    ==============

    Small problem with your ‘deal is already done’. Without a CBA (or the Judge killing the lockout) players cannot be traded during the 2011 draft, only draft picks can be traded.

  19. eaglesfan290 says: Apr 15, 2011 10:30 AM

    If you give him a contract that is highly incentive based, what’s the problem? A smaller roster bonus, workout bonus, a big bonus for making the Pro Bowl, maybe even a bonus every time he has a 300 yard game.

    I know he works hard and if he does have a good O-line he will really be a great QB.

  20. angrycorgi says: Apr 15, 2011 10:38 AM

    “We agree; it only takes one team.”

    One very, very naive team. I agree — you can’t pay this guy like a franchise AND trade a 1st rounder cuz he hasn’t proven anything. IMO, you can’t even trade a 1st rounder. A 2nd rounder and pay him a short contract with pretty good money — that makes more sense.

  21. opiedamus says: Apr 15, 2011 10:53 AM

    As for his stats: kid has been lights out in 3 of 5 games where he’s started.

    Newton in NFL: 0 for 0
    Gabbert in NFL: 0 for 0

    Any other no-name qb in the draft: 0-0

    For reference, you’d rather have Henne, Jackson, Smith, Skelton, Clausen, McCoy, V Young, Whitehurst, or Fitz?!?

    He’s worth a 1st rounder and he’s worth a contract that is less than what you’d be paying an unproven qb coming into the league. Period.

  22. hlmatty1 says: Apr 15, 2011 11:13 AM

    “He’s not going to play for what he’s making right now in the last year of his contract.”

    This right there shows why the owners will always have the support of the fans. Here is a 5th year backup who couldn’t keep on the field when handed the job with no great stats behind him. Currently, he is going to sit unless he gets traded. Yet, when possibly faced with a situation where he can start and play, “he’s not going to play for what he’s making right now in the last year of his contract?????” What typical player arrogance and sense of entitlement!

    How about this — play, have a good year and then ask for a large multi-year contract. If I were a GM and he was not willing to do that, then screw him.

  23. seabreezes51 says: Apr 15, 2011 11:17 AM

    Whatever NFC West team wants to win the division the most will trade for and sign Kolb.
    The Eagles will want to land Peterson in the draft.

  24. myeaglescantwin says: Apr 15, 2011 11:21 AM

    If you nerds ever watched Kolbs game tape you would know how off base you are.
    &
    For you guys to throw Kobs last dallas game in that equation is very misleading.

    He played with the entire scout team on O . He had 4-5-6 receivers and an OL filled with 6th&7th round draft picks.. / game accounted for 3 INTs & 1 fumbe.

    The guy needs a solid OL & a run game. SanFran would be the best suiter. Arizona needs a QB like Donovan with a cannon arm to hit Fitz. its well documented that Kolb cant hit anything over 50yds. ///////I just dont see that trade happening or any of that jumbled front seat back seat trading goin on.
    It be more likely he went to buffalo for their 2nd and 3rd rounders.

    Honestly i dont see him any higher that SanFran & Minn.. on a stretch

  25. dontouchmyjunk says: Apr 15, 2011 11:33 AM

    Kevin Kolb looks like the definition of mediocre quarterback to me. He does not have franchise quarterback skills.

  26. thankyoumayhew says: Apr 15, 2011 11:34 AM

    Sorry for repeating if this point has already been made. Kolb is not going to have to ask for a new contract. A team is not going to trade a 1st rounder for him without trying to lock him up for additional years.

  27. tombrookshire says: Apr 15, 2011 12:00 PM

    Given the Eagle$ track record picking players high in the draft, what difference does it make anyway? They will only take some smallish O lineman or D lineman that can’t play in exchange for Kolb. Then, in the 4, 5, or 6 round guy who really can play since they do pick well in the late rounds. But mostly, the Eagles FO waste high picks because Reid & co. think they are so smart while 31 other teams are so dumb.

  28. gotommyw21 says: Apr 15, 2011 12:30 PM

    dccowboy says:
    Apr 15, 2011 10:30 AM
    gotommyw21 says: Apr 15, 2011 10:08 AM

    ================
    3) The deal is already done. Kolb and 23d pick and ealges 3d rounder to the Cardinals for the 5th pick and Cards 3d rounder. Even if the lockout doesn’t get lifted, they can draft each other’s players and make the deal when the lockout is lifted. Good deal for both teams – fair – Whisenhunt has to win now and Kolb gives him best chance vs a rookie … and Eagles get the best player in the draft at corner Patrick Peterson.

    ==============

    “Small problem with your ‘deal is already done’. Without a CBA (or the Judge killing the lockout) players cannot be traded during the 2011 draft, only draft picks can be traded.”

    *******************************

    Now if you reread what I said, stop and think for a minute, maybe you will understand.

    I said: “Even if the lockout doesn’t get lifted, they can draft each other’s players and make the deal when the lockout is lifted.”

    Translation for slow cowboys fans: They can make a gentlemen’s agreement (birds and cards b4 the draft). Kobb and 23 and eagles 3d for the 5th pick and Cards 3d. So what do they do to get around the lockout “no player trade scenario”? They pick the player that the other team wants with their pick — Hence, Cards draft Peterson for Eagles …Eagles at 23 draft whoever the cards want…and so on in the 3d round. Then after the draft, after lockout is lifted or CBA is reached ..they can announce the deal officially and trade Kolb and player at 23 and 3d round player for Peterson and 3d round player.

    Comprende?

    And per the NFL trade chart the deal comes out within 20 points of each side getting the same value … if you value Kolb at what the Falcons got for Schaub deal in 2007 (two high 2s and 2 spots from pick 10 to pick 8). And Schaub had less of a track record and less seasoning then Kolb at this point. Done deal — Whisenhunt has to win NOW and can’t wait for a rookie to develop.

  29. hobartbaker says: Apr 15, 2011 1:49 PM

    Yeah, teams will line up for a 27 year old with 11 career TDs and 15 Int. Who could resist?

  30. thefiesty1 says: Apr 15, 2011 1:53 PM

    Unproven. But some team, like Arizona will give away the franchise and trade for him depending on the rookie salary cap.

  31. hobartbaker says: Apr 15, 2011 1:54 PM

    You would always have to worry that one of those wild boars Kolb hunts with a Bowie knife might be armed with a gun.

  32. nfl25 says: Apr 15, 2011 2:07 PM

    i love people that nevr watched someone play can say how bad he sux. you just mkae that assumption by looking at stats/ why dont you try looking at stats of games he started and finished. when you come into a game in the 2nd or 3rd qaurter, you are gonna have bad stats. or u r gonna have great stats if u come into a blow out and nobody is trying. the bottom line is u cant use stats unless u started and finished the game. his stats are actually amazing for the games he started and finsihed, but who knows he may wind up not being that good. but all these gm’s that post comments on PFT might be just a tad off base when they say he sux so bad. maybe the gm’s for nfl teams should just ask u guys what you think b4 they make a move.

  33. bluefan204 says: Apr 15, 2011 6:40 PM

    He hasn’t proven anything
    He hasn’t proven anything
    He hasn’t proven anything

    HE HASN’T PROVEN ANYTHING

    Get all that?

  34. pissondallas7 says: Apr 16, 2011 12:37 AM

    Love him or hate him , think he is a scrub or not ,he is still by far the best option at QB next season for alot of teams even better than the draft .
    Who cares what AFC exec has to say ,he is going to a NFC west team anyway.

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