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Marvin Lewis won’t try to change Carson Palmer’s mind

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No one seems to believe that Bengals owner Mike Brown will trade Carson Palmer in 2011.

That means Palmer either caves on his retirement threat or he may have to sit out the season.  Those closest to Palmer seem to think he’s just as stubborn as Brown, which will likely lead to a long stalemate.

You’d think that Bengals coach Marvin Lewis would be the man to bridge the gap between the sides.  Perhaps he will be that guy behind the scenes.  Publicly, he’s saying he won’t try to change Palmer’s mind.

“If a guy doesn’t want to play, you don’t want to talk him out of it,” Lewis told Michael Silver of Yahoo! Sports this week.

That leaves the Bengals in a strange place. They probably need to add a rookie quarterback and a veteran, but taking a quarterback at No. 4 might be a stretch and they can’t get a veteran until the lockout is over.

“I can’t tell you how many years of experience our starting quarterback will have, if any,” Lewis said.  “Whoever it will be, we’ll be pretty confident. It’s going to be a pretty exciting thing for our football team.”

Exciting wouldn’t be the word we’d choose.

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  1. Kaz says: Apr 15, 2011 10:00 AM

    We’ve seen plenty rookie qb find success. If you want to say it won’t happen with the Bengals then just say it. Clearly Marvin is confident there won’t be that big of a drop of.. 4-12 is 4-12. I think we can get 4 wins without Carson. We did it in 08…

  2. pftdabomb says: Apr 15, 2011 10:04 AM

    I love Marvin Lewis. I know Ill get 5000 thumbs down for this comment, but there is not a coach better suited to coach for this owner. He does amazingly well with the limited resources he has and the weight of a bad owner on his back. Bill Cower, Bill Parcels, Bill Belecheck, they would not help this organization. Craft, Mara, Roney or hell, just about anyone buying the team, running and taking it out of Mike Browns hands would help this organization.

  3. jcjets says: Apr 15, 2011 10:05 AM

    “Whoever it will be, we’ll be pretty confident.” What a ridiculous statement. So you have no idea who your QB will be, but whoever it is, he’s going to be amazing!

  4. footballpoetry says: Apr 15, 2011 10:05 AM

    Good.

  5. TurdSandwich says: Apr 15, 2011 10:14 AM

    I’m sure Marvin would just as soon drop kick Carson’s teeth through a goal post after he pulled this crap just days after re-signing. What a disfunctional team I follow.

  6. frzerbowlsurvivor says: Apr 15, 2011 10:14 AM

    Marvin won’t try because he “can’t” change Carson’s mind. He is the primary reason for Carson’s choice to sit this one out unless you trade me.

  7. poodawg says: Apr 15, 2011 10:15 AM

    Loads of people talk smack about Palmer as if he did not work miracles for this team. Yes, miracles. For the Bengals, to go to the playoffs twice in 5 years, and to be a constant thorn in the side of say, the Ravens, – who are a constant playoff contender – he has done a really great job.

    I’m not saying he’s elite, but it seems most of Cincys fans quickly forget that he is one of the best 3 QBs this team has ever had in its entire history.

    I’ve said it before and I stand by it – Whatever team Palmer goes to ends up in the playoffs with at least one win once there, and the Bengals will go back to the ways of the 90s, with their next playoff appearance no earlier than 2020.

  8. bengalfannomatterwhat says: Apr 15, 2011 10:16 AM

    I’m against a qb at 4 if carson doesn’t play and no reliable qb fall to rhe second rd let jordan palmer or dan lefevour try it wouldn’t be the first time someone turned out good from nowhere brady waa a backup and platoon guy til henson lost his time and cassel didn’t even get to play qb at usc and it turned out pretty effective when brady got hurt and for kansas city. Good coaching and hard woek can go quite a ways especially if they go back to a. Power run game

  9. FoozieGrooler says: Apr 15, 2011 10:26 AM

    Why even try?
    Who wants a guy who clearly doesn’t want to be there? Would you expect to get his best effort?
    - See Moss, Randy

  10. granadosm says: Apr 15, 2011 10:41 AM

    Pretty exciting Marvin? Really? You won 4 games with a veteran QB and your team has plenty of holes. The only person I feel bad for in all of this is Jordan palmer. What a tough spot he is getting put into. I wouldn’t be surprised if they let him go if Carson doesn’t come back. Mike brown would be wise to get something for Carson while there is still great interest.

  11. ubummer says: Apr 15, 2011 10:42 AM

    The bottom line is the most important thing to Brown, and hey, if the Bengals win so much the better. If they don’t win, there’s always revenue sharing. Lewis apparently has also bought into that philosophy as long as it gives him job security. Not many other coaches would put up with it.

  12. holeinone09 says: Apr 15, 2011 10:48 AM

    Not a Bengals fan (a Steelers fan), but I can’t argue with what Lewis said. What do you expect him to say?

    Let Palmer retire, or trade him. Don’t kiss his rear end. Palmer has been way overrated IMHO. He is not terrible, but he is not as good as he or some others think he is or that he was projected to be. He is not in Big Ben’s class but you would think otherwise if you listened to some people, and I don’t get that. He has had a decent team with decent WRs to throw the ball to. They have probably had a better OL than the Steelers to protect him. They should probably consider trading him before his value is zero, and just move on.

    I enjoy our division rivalries and respect the Bengals, and hope to see great matchups with the Steelers.

  13. dickroy says: Apr 15, 2011 10:53 AM

    Hey Mike, move your team to LA and the golden boy will be happy to stay. He wants to go back to the west coast.

  14. laxer37 says: Apr 15, 2011 11:05 AM

    Mike Brown loves Jordan Palmer. Looks just like Carson but at a fraction of the price. Forget that the guy is not an NFL caliber talent and has no experience, it’s only about making money for Mike.

  15. idriveamoped says: Apr 15, 2011 11:09 AM

    @poodawg. Palmer isn’t the sole reason they went to the playoffs. Hell Palmer has lost just as many games because of his inability to read defenses, inaccurate throws, etc… and he has won by himself.

    You must still think that Palmer is the golden child in Cincinnati. Ya he might be better than the 2 on the bench, but that doesn’t mean anything. Just because there are 3 turds, and one smells slightly better than the rest, doesnt mean its 2 turds and a rose. The fact is, they are all still turds.

    How many 4th quarter pick 6′s has Palmer thrown to lose the game? How many 3 and outs has he gotten right after a huge play on defense?

  16. enders9 says: Apr 15, 2011 11:13 AM

    pftdabomb says: Apr 15, 2011 10:04 AM

    I love Marvin Lewis. I know Ill get 5000 thumbs down for this comment, but there is not a coach better suited to coach for this owner. He does amazingly well with the limited resources he has and the weight of a bad owner on his back. Bill Cower, Bill Parcels, Bill Belecheck, they would not help this organization. Craft, Mara, Roney or hell, just about anyone buying the team, running and taking it out of Mike Browns hands would help this organization.

    ——————————————–

    I agree that Mike Brown is a terrible owner.

    BUT… how is Mike Brown responsible for Marvin Lewis’ horrible time management? Or Marvin Lewis’ inability to make a single adjustment at half time?

    Mike Brown is a terrible owner, but Marvin Lewis is also a terrible coach.

  17. abengalfan says: Apr 15, 2011 11:13 AM

    frzerbowlsurvivor says:
    Apr 15, 2011 10:14 AM
    Marvin won’t try because he “can’t” change Carson’s mind. He is the primary reason for Carson’s choice to sit this one out unless you trade me.

    Based on what? You think Carson would have come back if Marvin did not?

  18. maddog111 says: Apr 15, 2011 11:20 AM

    Kaz says:
    Apr 15, 2011 10:00 AM
    We’ve seen plenty rookie qb find success. If you want to say it won’t happen with the Bengals then just say it. Clearly Marvin is confident there won’t be that big of a drop of.. 4-12 is 4-12. I think we can get 4 wins without Carson. We did it in 08…
    ———————————————-
    4-12. Keep shooting for the stars.

  19. leftcoastnative says: Apr 15, 2011 11:23 AM

    Frankly, with what little Mike Brown has done to improve this franchise other than to write himself bonus checks the past few years for several million dollars as a “consultant” I am surprised that more players have not begged out when the opportunity presented itself. Marvin, himself, could have packed up when his contract expired; however, he always has taken the extension. Carson probably is tired of being the human pinata in addition to dealing with so many dysfunctional wide receivers and says it is not worth it. Actually, cannot blame him one bit. Football is not fun when you are not winning, and it is worse when you have people in the franchise, including but not limited to owners, coaches and players, who are not putting forth the best effort to win.

  20. theroc5156 says: Apr 15, 2011 11:24 AM

    In other words; us Bengal fans should get used to another year of ineptitude.

    This is all Mike Brown’s fault. I don’t blame Palmer one bit for not wanting to play for the Bengals.

  21. enders9 says: Apr 15, 2011 11:26 AM

    poodawg says: Apr 15, 2011 10:15 AM

    Loads of people talk smack about Palmer as if he did not work miracles for this team. Yes, miracles. For the Bengals, to go to the playoffs twice in 5 years, and to be a constant thorn in the side of say, the Ravens, – who are a constant playoff contender – he has done a really great job.

    I’m not saying he’s elite, but it seems most of Cincys fans quickly forget that he is one of the best 3 QBs this team has ever had in its entire history.

    I’ve said it before and I stand by it – Whatever team Palmer goes to ends up in the playoffs with at least one win once there, and the Bengals will go back to the ways of the 90s, with their next playoff appearance no earlier than 2020.

    —————————————

    What miracle did Palmer work? Kitna had the Bengals at .500 in 03, his last year as the starting QB. So it’s not like Palmer took a 4-12 team and turned it into a one-and-done playoff team. The Bengals making the playoffs those two times was mostly because they had an easy schedule both seasons.

    Palmer has had two good years…. two. Out of 7. And this guy is a miracle worker? Every season other than 05 and 06 he has been extremely average or even flat out bad.

    I will agree with you on the Ravens though, he has had their number… well atleast until he decided to overthrow someone standing 10 feet in front of him for an easy walk-in (and very likely game winning) touchdown.

  22. nj22 says: Apr 15, 2011 11:26 AM

    Man it must be just horrible to be a Bungles’ fan. They have a chance to get rid of ultra team cancer ocho-a-hole and they keep him to spite him and in the process make their QB sick, and ruin his team leadership and have him ready to retire. Now they can get a 2nd or 3rd pick probably for the guy, not to mention they owe him the chance to play elsewhere just for making him play with not 1 but the top 2 team cancers in the history of all sports with Chad AND T.O last year! And to spite the guy who has been a loyal player they will force him into retirement instead of “giving in” and actually getting something for him. What a group of losers..they deserve Marvin as a coach!

  23. daytonaken says: Apr 15, 2011 11:55 AM

    Carson Palmer does not want to be there. The coach does not want Carson to be there. Only the owner, Mike Brown wants him there. Brownie, cmon, wake up, smell the roses, trade the guy and go on. The team is bigger than 1 player.

  24. holeinone09 says: Apr 15, 2011 12:12 PM

    One more thing. In the photo with the look on his face, doesn’t Lewis look a little bit like the Grinch? Just sayin.

  25. bengalsgm says: Apr 15, 2011 12:13 PM

    In my case, I don’t think Carson was a bad QB at all. He was very very good for the Bengals (at times). But the problem I have with Carson is that he only chose to speak up (about anything) when it was too late. He could have had the key to the city if he would have just been a leader and spoken up when things weren’t as they should have been. (see 85 and 81 and 84) It just makes me lump #9 in with the rest of those clowns.

  26. Kaz says: Apr 15, 2011 12:28 PM

    maddog111 says:
    Apr 15, 2011 11:20 AM
    Kaz says:
    Apr 15, 2011 10:00 AM
    We’ve seen plenty rookie qb find success. If you want to say it won’t happen with the Bengals then just say it. Clearly Marvin is confident there won’t be that big of a drop of.. 4-12 is 4-12. I think we can get 4 wins without Carson. We did it in 08…
    ———————————————-
    4-12. Keep shooting for the stars.

    ——

    That’s not even my point, but I’m sure you know that. Steelers fans aren’t that……well…….maybe.

  27. nineroutsider says: Apr 15, 2011 1:02 PM

    The Bungals just don’t stop being the Bungals. Yeah, my team has been garbage for the last 8 years, but the Bungals never cease to amaze me. Good thing the Niners snuffed them out the 2 times they got close. Our little gift to Cincy…

    They should actually get what they can for Palmer, who hasn’t been the same since his knee injury. The Niners better not touch this guy. Might as well keep Smith, same numbers but more upside.

  28. drbandkgb says: Apr 15, 2011 1:22 PM

    The owner is some what of an idiot..

    The Coach is a good coach… The only changes he was allowed to make was ??? None.. Mike Brown was the only one that could fire coaches.. Till this year.. Marvin gets a say now.. Sure it took 8 years!

    Dont forget We have been stuck with Bradlowski as a OC for 10 years… In his 75% pass happy system… Any QB is going to throw picks when the D knows a pass is coming.. We have the outline of a good Defense.. and a great D coach.. (Should be our head coach) If we can get a QB to manage the game we will be a good team.. Look at the 2000 Ravens.. Trent was a below Avg QB and he won a super bowl winner..

    PS STEELERS still sux :)

  29. Nevis says: Apr 15, 2011 1:34 PM

    Just another black eye on the biggest joke of a team in the last 20 years. Cincy’s year in and out drama and shortcomings makes the worst teams look more desirable.

    Brown is one of the worst owners in the league, “top” 3 for sure.

    Sorry, truth hurts….and I don’t even dislike the Bengals.

  30. abengalfan says: Apr 15, 2011 1:39 PM

    drbandkgb Brat was fired to placate Carson and the fan base. And that was Mikey’s choice not Marvin’s.
    Sorry the defense is weak, 09 was the aberation for the D not ’10.
    D played over its head in ’09 on emotion for Z loosing his wife.
    This team is far far away from contending.
    Just think of the message Carson has sent to every potential free agent; the Bengals are the NFL’s Siberia.

  31. thefiesty1 says: Apr 15, 2011 2:02 PM

    Perennial 4 or 5 win team with Mike Brown holding the purse strings. No matter what Lewis says, Carson’s going to retire since the boss is too stupid to trade him a get some value.

  32. ncsteeler says: Apr 15, 2011 2:19 PM

    If Palmer does have anywhere near $80M (even $8M) in the bank why come back to a losing team? I could see if he was a couple years younger or the Bengals were say a .500 team. He might have some motivation. As it is, it’s hard to see them winning in 2012 let alone this year. If they deal him to a borderline team like MIA, ARZ, Minn., SF, etc. then that’s a different story. Otherwise, take your money, buy a nice house on the beach and surf, golf and play tennis.

  33. jackfnburton says: Apr 15, 2011 2:25 PM

    Ah, Cincinnati. Where anything more than absolute mediocrity will NOT be tolerated. I feel sorry for fans of that team. Lewis doesn’t even seem engaged, or interested in winning, just collecting a paycheck. And ownership doesn’t seem to care whether or not the team is successful, as long as they can save a few bucks. I actually know a Bungles fan who switched to the Raiders, he was so frustrated. Now how do you like that? I hate my team so much I’d rather root for Oakland. Dark days in the Queen City.

  34. drbandkgb says: Apr 15, 2011 2:49 PM

    @abengalfan

    Brat was brought back every year by Brown.. Not by Marvin… Marvin only had a say in the D and that was just a say..

    Good or bad Mike Brown is very loyal..some times to a fault.. What most people dont understand is the Bengals is the Brown Families only business.

    They dont run some Fortune 500 company and play football owner on the weekends.. So they have to make money.. Im not saying they are poor by any means.. But this is the family business.

    Now would I like to see a new owner step in and run the team right HELL YES!!! I read a quote once that a baseball owner said.. If your in the sports business to make money your in the wrong business.. You have to loose to win…

    Sadly we will be stuck with this Family till the end.. Mike has groomed his daughter to run the team after he is gone.. From the Hard knocks show..she seemed to have some Balls to her :)

    Either way I will pull for my Bengals till the end.. I live and die with my team.. I guess maybe I should have been born in Boston :)

  35. itsmebobd says: Apr 15, 2011 3:14 PM

    @drbandkgb

    Well, I agree with most of your points. Don’t forget, we have slaughtered the ravens time and time again since marvin lewis has been our coach? Why? Because he knows them inside and out and how to beat them. Sadly, he seems to think the way that blind squirrel found a nut (ravens winning superbowl) is the way to win. Those years are long gone. He has been searching for that playmaking MLB for a good 10 years

  36. pskotte says: Apr 15, 2011 3:20 PM

    Can’t blame Palmer for wanting out, but I do blame him for quitting. A man’s true character is revealed by his words & deeds in the face of adversity. There are many men and women silently struggling in jobs they hate but can’t leave because of the economy – they are the real heroes.

    Palmer signed his contract and took his $$M money and now pouts because life is hard. Take a long look around you #9 because you can learn something about character from ordinary people.

  37. abengalfan says: Apr 15, 2011 3:21 PM

    The Brown family profession is lawyer (ing) And they’re damn good at it.
    Sadly the business they are in is pro football..
    The Family has not had a football person in it since PB passed away in ’91.
    While Katie may have some upside the rest of The Family members are pretty scary.
    Mr Katie I mean Troy B was in the bottom 1/3 of his class in law school.
    Her younger brother PB Jr makes their uncle Pete who runs the scouting dept (cough cough)
    look like Gil Brandt.
    When the IRS sued the team over PSL $ PBJ did not respond to his subpoena as he was never in the office so he never knew it was there.
    Not exactly a future front office to get excited about.
    Really the only hope is that Katie cares about being able to go out in public and is capable of being embarrassed.
    Her father has his head to far up his butt to realize what an embarassment he has become.

  38. kspl1 says: Apr 15, 2011 4:21 PM

    Some of u people r complete idiots. What ha ocho ever done to be considered a cancer or anything. He never gets in trouble. He buys tickets to home games so there’s not a local blackout. On teroad he invites fans out to the movies or dinner and pays for everyone. Yea- a real bad guy because he dances in the end zone. Can u do the river-dance, no, so shut up. He’s great for fans and the game. Stop lumping him in as a bad player or else cite one real example of how he’s a cancer or trouble maker………….I’m waiting…….

  39. drbandkgb says: Apr 15, 2011 5:29 PM

    I dont remember ready any 85 hate in here..

    If 85 would be 100% in the game id be happy…
    Seems like his TV shows or what ever else is his man concern now.. 85 is a good player.. Just needs to be more of a TEAM player..

    One day the Bengals will get it…

    Either way Im a fan till the end

  40. enders9 says: Apr 15, 2011 5:34 PM

    It is pretty stupid to compare TO to Ocho in terms of being a team cancer. Chad hasn’t divided a locker room, or destroyed locker rooms like TO has done to several teams. Sure they are both “divas” but Chad is not a cancer to any locker room.

    People call Chad a cancer because in 08 he was demanding a trade… now, those same people that continue to call Chad a cancer for demanding a trade are also excusing Carson for demanding a trade.

  41. voyager6 says: Apr 15, 2011 7:48 PM

    Two Points: Paul Brown knew that football starts in the trenches. You have to have great offensive and defensive lines to allow your talented players to succeed. Mike Brown likes the flashy passing game, thinking it draws more people to PBS. He tends to invest in the skilled positions and scrimps on the OLine.

    When Carson Palmer came into the league, Cincinnati had one of the best offensive lines in football with Levi Jones and Willie Anderson at tackle (both #1 picks) and 2nd rounder Erich Steinbach, (Who as a versitile pulling guard has yet to be replaced) and seasoned center Rich Braham and right guard Whitworth and later Bobbie Williams.

    Carson was protected, given time to pass and they opened up holes for the running game.

    Look at the line the last three years: They have 2nd Rounder Whitworth at Rfght Tackle, and the Michelin Man (Andre Smith) sometimes (5 games in two years) at Right Tackle. With left tackle, center and left guard off the scrap heap or a late round draft pick (two years with easily bull rushed center Eric Ghiucac). And Right Guard Bobbie Williams should have been replaced two years ago because he is not keeping in shape and his play has deterioriated. There is no one on the team that can play pulling guard, which eliminates whole pages from the playbook.

    Without talent at the line, no quarterback, with the possible exception of a young scrambling Mike Vick, can succeed in Cincinnati.

    This line has let Carson get beat to death and caused him to become gun shy. THAT is Mike Brown’s fault. It is also the head coach’s fault for not realizing that the line had deteriorated to the point it could no longer be patched with aging vets or undrafter FA .

    Now, in recent years, Marvin Lewis has taken more and more control of the offense. He has tied the QB’s hands and only the HC can call a timeout (and such a great job he does!) It has been rumored that he is the one not allowing Carson to audible to pass plays, but to only a couple of carefully selected running plays, resulting in it not being Bob Bratkowski’s fault for predictible play calling, but rather it is Marvin’s. This will be proven out if the offense under new coordinator Gruden is just as stale and predictible as under Bratkowski. Here we have a defensive ‘genius’ calling the basic offense. Marvin does not know what he is doing on offense.

    Under these two circumstances, it is no wonder Carson wants out. I don’t blame him.

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