Comments on: Scott Pioli would draft Tyson Jackson all over again

By: CKL

CKL — Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:46:13 +0000

RE:the poster who put up Jackson’s sack #s: Why in the world would anyone be judging a 5 tech on how many sacks he has anyway? That isn’t his job.

By: goombar2

goombar2 — Mon, 18 Apr 2011 06:51:16 +0000

Because the GM is thinking long term over short term. Same reason a team would draft a QB and let him ride the pine for a few years honing his craft.

It’s nice to see everyone talking nice about BJ Raji, but he’s only got 48 tackles in the same time.

I mean, you’re a Raider fan, right? How many people were calling McFadden a bust a couple years ago? And now what do people think?

You can’t pick players with the mind set of what will they do this year. Good players need time to develop.

By: raiderapologist

raiderapologist — Mon, 18 Apr 2011 03:11:33 +0000

jeremyb91 says: Apr 17, 2011 6:33 PM

Both the Raiders and the Chiefs have equal busts considering DHB is an excellent downfield blocking WR. But both are the 4th best at their positions.
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Oakland drafted Matt Shaughnessy in the third round in that draft. The Chiefs drafted Alex Magee. KC has a lot of cash tied up in players like Dorsey and Jackson, and don’t have much to show for it.

By: freedomispopular

freedomispopular — Mon, 18 Apr 2011 01:50:11 +0000

Perhaps Bill never need Pioli after all.

By: raiderapologist

raiderapologist — Mon, 18 Apr 2011 00:15:46 +0000

goombar2 says: Apr 17, 2011 3:00 PM

D-lineman take time to develop. Tyson Jackson is supposed to be a 5 tech anyhow, if I remember right, and that takes even more time.
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They do take time to develop, but the third pick in the draft should do better than 68 tackles and 1 sack over two seasons. Why else pick him so high?

By: bradleyjames080

bradleyjames080 — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 22:58:24 +0000

I think it’s pretty possible what Pioli means is that if he were to go back to that draft, his scouting and assessments of the players would be the same as it was the first time, and that would lead him to make the same decision. i.e. there was nothing else at the time that would suggest he shouldn’t have made the pick he did. Hindsight is 20/20.

And if that’s NOT what he meant, then he obviously just doesn’t want to throw the kid under the bus while he’s STILL on the team, and still has a chance to improve/develop.

By: jeremyb91

jeremyb91 — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 22:33:03 +0000

When KC took Tyson Jackson and the Raiders took DHB, everyone frowned upon the Raiders but gave Scott Pioli credit simply because of his experience in NE. Jackson was the biggest reach in the draft considering the Chiefs could’ve had BJ Raji or Brian Orakpo. The Raiders were smart to stay away from Crabtree but could’ve also had BJ Raji and wouldn’t have had to trade for Richard Seymour.

Both the Raiders and the Chiefs have equal busts considering DHB is an excellent downfield blocking WR. But both are the 4th best at their positions.

By: hobartbaker

hobartbaker — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 20:33:15 +0000

They meant to take Jackson Tyson, a WR/KR from Smidgen State.

By: burntorangehorn

burntorangehorn — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 20:13:49 +0000

I am a Chiefs fan, and I was absolutely furious when he drafted Jackson. Jackson wasn’t even particularly good in college, and here KC was taking him in the top three. Ridiculous. At any rate, it’d be unrealistic to expect Pioli to say anything more critical than he did in hindsight, at least as long as Jackson is on the team.

Orakpo or Raji would’ve been the far better pick.

By: thefiesty1

thefiesty1 — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 19:50:05 +0000

Deny, deny, deny. What can he say? I wish I’d taken Orakpo. There is always a “reason” why a draft pick didn’t work out as expected other than “we made a mistake”. Just look at Quincy Carter drafted by the cowboys. Bust? Probably. Mistake, absolutely.

By: tbd3

tbd3 — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 19:29:05 +0000

Ask Pioli again when Jackson is no longer on the Chiefs. I assure you the answer would be very different.

By: bobhk

bobhk — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 19:25:57 +0000

Pioli is from the same school of blowhards, liars, and cheaters as Belichick and Parcells.

You know he’s lying when they cut losses with Jackson.

BTW, Haley has a lot to do with the success of Chiefs than Pioli. In New England it was Belichick not Pioli who had anything to do with success there.

By: packerfan12

packerfan12 — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 19:15:57 +0000

So, the Packers came out of this draft with B.J Raji, and Clay Matthews….

By: goombar2

goombar2 — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 19:00:31 +0000

Yeah, and last year folks were calling BJ Raji a bust and at best he could be an average player.

D-lineman take time to develop. Tyson Jackson is supposed to be a 5 tech anyhow, if I remember right, and that takes even more time. Calling him a bust right now going into his 3rd season is so stupid it’s not even funny.

Gosh, it reminds me of the idiots in the vike forum that are so sure throwing a rookie out on the field equals great success right off the bat. Sure, sometimes it happens, but 90% of the time rookies need a learning curve.

Pioli is still a top GM in my mind and KC has been getting better since he took the job.

By: canetic

canetic — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 18:42:56 +0000

The question was whether he would draft this player again. He said yes. But he never said that he would drafted him third overall again. He’d take him again, just in the the 7th round.

By: richatthelake

richatthelake — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 18:38:31 +0000

Last summer at training camp, I watched an undrafted rookie lineman handle Jackson snap after snap. Moved him on running plays & stalemating him on passing plays.

Here’s the rub, that undrafted rookie was a defensive lineman moved over to the offensive side of the ball because injuries had taken a temporary toll on O-tackles.

I saw it happen in two consecutive practices. Jackson is a bust, he will never be an NFL quality starter, never.

By: ezmoover

ezmoover — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 18:37:45 +0000

At least Pioli has the sack to man-up and admit when he’s made a mistake.

Gotta respect that.

Now I know why he’s a million dollar salaried executive.

Only in America…

By: wtfchiefs

wtfchiefs — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 18:37:11 +0000

Then he’d probably say that Tyson Jackson has been such a bust that he takes our attention away from Glenn Dorsey’s bustiness.
————————————————- Dorsey is not a bust.

….

You must not watch football

By: iced107

iced107 — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 18:33:10 +0000

1) Sometimes it takes more than just 1 or 2 seasons to make a splash. As a Ram fan,you have no idea all the criticisms I heard about him. “Never gonna rush the passer…” “god hes gonna be a bust.”

Year 3 roles around, gets some help in the middle – then wa’la…Long lead the league in QB Hurries and put up 8.5 Sacks..Plus he’s dynamite against the run. Also moving to LDE helped as well.

2)Expecting Pioli to say anything else is stupid..Not only does it make him look bad, it also hurts the confidence of the player.

Nothing positive comes from it..not even the terrible story you’d probably write with it.

By: daytonaken

daytonaken — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 18:19:07 +0000

That’s my story and I’m stickin’ to it!

By: august1969

august1969 — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 18:17:45 +0000

Pioli can do or say whatever he wants. Took the Chiefs up from the basement, not to mention what he did in New England. He’s the man. Any team would have him. Maybe not the Packers.

By: kcroyal

kcroyal — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 18:12:23 +0000

Obviously he has to say that as other posters have pointed out. He’s still on the team. He’s a two year 3-4 DE…this position takes more time than most. He’s actually not all together terrible, I think theres still potential here.

But seriously Pioli would draft someone else if he could, duh.

By: nflsucker

nflsucker — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 18:02:08 +0000

Finally, Vernon Gholston contributes something to the NFL—a yardstick that makes another sucky draft pick look like a stroke of genius.

By: xxwhodatxx

xxwhodatxx — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 17:48:10 +0000

Who??

By: moneymike23

moneymike23 — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 17:46:49 +0000

What the hell is BobGretz.com?

By: thetobygrizwold

thetobygrizwold — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 17:38:49 +0000

He wouldn’t take it back and trade down to get Clay Matthews to play opposite Tamba Hali? What!?!?

By: Mr. Super-Cool Awesome

Mr. Super-Cool Awesome — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 17:38:30 +0000

What was he supposed to say? “Tyson Jackson is the biggest bust to ever bust out of Bustville?”

Of course not. You attached his name to the quote.

I’d be interested in hearing what he has to say if you called him an “unnamed source inside the Chiefs organization.”

Then he’d probably say that Tyson Jackson has been such a bust that he takes our attention away from Glenn Dorsey’s bustiness. (pause)

By: jamoe17

jamoe17 — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 17:34:52 +0000

I wondered then and wonder now why KC didn’t take Raji. His unique size and agility does not come around very often, and KC was and still is missing a bonafide NT in their 3-4. Hindsight is 20-20, and this Packer fan isn’t complaining, but it looks to me like Pioli fell in love with a player and let that dictate the pick…while value would have pointed him to Raji.

By: thereisalwaysnextyear

thereisalwaysnextyear — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 17:28:01 +0000

““I’d take the same player again,” Pioli said this week via Bob Gretz.com. “Absolutely. Absolutely.””

I made a comment here re:Daly and Mallet and it had to do with not only learning from one’s own mistakes, but also learning from other’s mistakes. It’s the easiest way to improve performance while lessening the pain of being wrong. To hear him say this is stunning. What a moron. He clearly is letting ego get in the way of learning from a mistake. Pride is one thing, stupidity is quite another.

By: thegonz13

thegonz13 — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 17:23:50 +0000

Oh, OK… Pioli would correct a past mistake by making the same mistake!

How reassuring for Chiefs fans!