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Gruden: “I did fail miserably in developing Shaun King”

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Jon Gruden and ESPN NFL Draft producer Jay Rothman held a conference call Tuesday to discuss draft prospects, and Gruden’s excellent QB Camp shows.

We had the final question of the hour.  With our Cam Newton and Jake Locker questions  already taken, we lived up to Gruden’s negative blogger stereotype and asked about Shaun King’s recent criticism of Gruden.

“I did fail miserably in developing Shaun King and I’m sorry he’ll miss our show,” Gruden said.

We give Gruden credit for the funny response.  He didn’t point out that he’s never coached a first-round pick at the position, saying he misses working with quarterbacks and that he could have done a better job developing them.

ESPN’s senior director of communications Bill Hofheimer seemed a little less amused than Gruden as the call wrapped.

“I wish we had a better question to end on,” Hofheimer said.

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  1. mightymightylafootball says: Apr 19, 2011 1:40 PM

    Thumbs up, Chuckie, thumbs up.

  2. chadmurdigan says: Apr 19, 2011 1:42 PM

    If Gruden’s was a “funny response,” I’m headed out for a date this evening with three supermodels on their dime.

  3. medtxpack says: Apr 19, 2011 1:44 PM

    some team needs to hire this guy badly……

  4. snookau says: Apr 19, 2011 1:47 PM

    When Gruden was coaching, ESPN couldn’t go 10 minutes without taking a shot at him for “collecting quarterbacks”.

    Guess they still don’t know he doesn’t know squat about the position. Why else would they give him his own QB show?

    Run through the list of QBs Gruden used in his last 5 years in the league. Its scary. Very scary.

  5. hobartbaker says: Apr 19, 2011 1:53 PM

    Anything that P.O.s that third rate organization is a good thing. On a level playing field someone like Blaine Gabbert would do mental acrobatics on Gruden. It would be the Cirque de Soliel vs. a mound of rubble.

  6. bucyou2 says: Apr 19, 2011 1:56 PM

    He could not spot talent in the draft if it fell in his lap (which it did time and time again)

    Current Buc starters from the Gruden/Allen draft regime.

    Quincy Black
    Geno Hayes
    Barrett Ruud
    Michael Bennett
    Aqib Talib (maybe?)
    Tanard Jackson (maybe?)

    Jeremy Zuttah
    Jeremy Trueblood (maybe?)
    Davin Joseph
    Earnest Graham

    How can you justify that? Its unacceptable. While the players were overacheiving with little or no talent around them, Gruden got the credit for the playoff appearences?

    Out of 50+ selections from 2002-2008 this is the best of the best that Gruden drafted.
    Horrible and embarrassing.

    When did he have a prolific offense? Why is he an “offensive guru?” He is media hype.

    Thank god the Glazers finaly came to their senses and got a real GM in there, and what appears to be a heck of a HC.

    You can say you are sorry for not developing King, but what about ALL THE OTHER PLAYERS DRAFTED!!!!

    None turned out to be worth their salt and I find it hard to believe it was all their fault. If New England can win with mostly no name players, how come Gruden cannot come anywhere near that success? Simple answer is he is over rated and cannot develop players or game plan with “the best of them.”

    He is not an elite coach and I don’t think NFL teams have been ringing his phone of the hook.

    Thanks for the 2002 season. Too bad you stayed on after that….

  7. bubbabart says: Apr 19, 2011 1:56 PM

    I never was a Chuckie fan….I thought Tampa was downright stupid paying Oakland that ransom!

  8. mjke3041 says: Apr 19, 2011 1:56 PM

    Gruden did fail developing shaun king, thats why when king became a free agent he signed with the cardinals and last almost a full year before being cut. Dont forget, King played under Tony Dungy for 3 years and throw a whopping 24 td passes to 18 ints. Dungy replaced him with Brad Johnson before Gruden even got their. King was developed in the arena football league either… he was 1-5 as a starter there. He did last 2 games in the CFL before being cut….I guess no cfl or afl coaches could develope king either!!!!!!!!!!!!

  9. mrplow3 says: Apr 19, 2011 1:57 PM

    What is Gruden apoligizing for?

    Peyton Manning, Joe Montana, and Vince Lombardi combined into one super human couldn’t have developed anything out of Shaun King.

  10. jjzimmpa says: Apr 19, 2011 1:57 PM

    I am confused on this story… So Gruden failed at making a less than average QB great? If I remember correctly, didn’t Gruden get King to a Championship game, only to lose in the closing minutes? That’s doing very well considering the QB’s talents

    I was under the impression that Gruden was an Offensive Guru who has taken the likes of Brad Johnson, Rich Gannon, Jeff Garcia and made them above average QB’s, pro bowl QB’s, some even Super Bowl QB’s.

    The only reason King didn’t “develop” into a great QB was cause he wasn’t. King was a 6ft 1ft 228 pound QB from Tulane that could run an offense but not throw deep with touch. Weak arm strength and less than average accuracy. He was a mini Dilfer (game manager) only a bit more mobile.

    After leaving the Buccs, Denny Green couldn’t develop King with the Cards and same with the Lions and Rod Marinelli and also same with Dungy and his staff with the Colts.

    Its safe to say that Gruden is an Offensive Guru NOT a QB guru, BIG difference.

    Also safe to say no matter who the coach, who King was throwing too, King wasn’t going to be an all star in the NFL.

    Gruden is a great coach for many reasons, obviously developing QB’s just isn’t one of them.

  11. shian11 says: Apr 19, 2011 1:58 PM

    Jon gruden made brad Johnson a superbowl champion who dominated in the playlets that year. With no offensive coordinator or qb coach, I guess gruden had nothing to do with that!!!

  12. Land Snark says: Apr 19, 2011 2:00 PM

    “I wish we had a better question to end on,” he said.

    I guess you should have scripted a better media session bub.

  13. jjzimmpa says: Apr 19, 2011 2:03 PM

    King took a Dungy ran team to the playoffs not Gruden ran. Still proves my point, King was a less than QB, no matter the coach.

  14. schemefactory says: Apr 19, 2011 2:04 PM

    maybe it was the fault of the crappy tampa bay economy?

  15. helinhater says: Apr 19, 2011 2:04 PM

    Alright.

    Now it’s Shaun King’s turn to admit that he did a terrible job of developing himself.

    This is a two-way street.

    No one will make you a player.

    Case in point: Tom Brady.

    Shaun King was Tee Martin…only he was an underdog with a good story.

    But he sucked as much as Tee when it came time to play professionally.

  16. bunjy96 says: Apr 19, 2011 2:06 PM

    Sickening might be a better word than scary.

  17. andyreidcarboload says: Apr 19, 2011 2:08 PM

    Gruden took the high road. He has too many options at this point for him to get into a pissing match with a failed NFL hyped prospect. At this point, Gruden is in a pretty enviable position. He is just enjoying the ride.

  18. big007hed says: Apr 19, 2011 2:11 PM

    Gruden is terrible with young QBs… he likes them old and grizzly…

  19. JackLeone says: Apr 19, 2011 2:14 PM

    & I wish we had a better answer to that last question…

  20. ampats says: Apr 19, 2011 2:18 PM

    Doesn’t Shaun King also work for ESPN?

    I would like to see Gruden, Keyshawn Johnson and Shaun King locked in a room and see who comes out. There seems to be bad blood between these former TB players/coach.

  21. raiders1237 says: Apr 19, 2011 2:21 PM

    Grudens a Super Coach who cannot make chicken salad from chicken sh*t!!!Go RAIDERS!!!!!!

  22. biggerballz says: Apr 19, 2011 2:22 PM

    hahah how do you like that king, keep your mouth shut next time.

  23. kingofthenorse says: Apr 19, 2011 2:28 PM

    Love Gruden-that being said Mariucci’s QB film study on NFL Network seemed to be a better look into what these guys are made of at the position. Gruden gives you a good look at what kind of guy they are. I really like both of these segments and hope they do it for years to come.

    PS-I think Newton looked like an idiot in his sit down-kept covering his mouth when he answered-seemed disingenuous to me-compares himself to a gun? Gruden was like “what the @#&! is this guy talking about?” Newton proceeds to seemingly freestyle his metaphoric response with more garbage that made little to no sense…and Gruden responds with-“Wanna go throw?”-as if to say, “ok that was stupid, lets go do something your good at because you’re crashing and burning right now and I feel bad for you.” I’ve been going back and forth on whether this guy is a one in a million guy-take him #1 or complete bust. This interview sealed his fate in my eyes. HE IS A BUST!!!

  24. islandjag says: Apr 19, 2011 2:40 PM

    I’m not the biggest Gruden fan, but don’t remember any of those qb’s lighting it up anywhere else either. Young or old. Garcia and Gannon were fired from their teams.

    And Simms was developing rather nicely until he left his spleen on the field.

  25. ginuwin794 says: Apr 19, 2011 2:49 PM

    He did turn Rich Gannon into a league MVP. But Gannon was a vet at the time. Still, he deserves credit for that.

  26. mike106 says: Apr 19, 2011 2:54 PM

    Shaun King was a quarterback !!!!!!!!!! did he know that..

  27. smarterthantheaveragebearfan says: Apr 19, 2011 2:57 PM

    It was big of Gruden to not point out that while at Green Bay he picked up Brett Favre’s dry cleaning and fan mail thereby allowing him time to become a star QB………..

  28. BC says: Apr 19, 2011 2:58 PM

    Wait a minute. Wasn’t King a first-round pick? From Tulane, right?

  29. thegonz13 says: Apr 19, 2011 3:00 PM

    Gruden has won a Super Bowl with Brad Johnson at the QB spot and has used a plethora of veterans at the position. So much for the QB guru label…

  30. toe4 says: Apr 19, 2011 3:04 PM

    Hofheimer will rethink his opinion that was a great way to end any and all criticism of Gruden.

    Fantastic job by both the interviewer and the interviewee.

    Those that can, do. Those that can’t become producers.

  31. armchairgm9 says: Apr 19, 2011 3:10 PM

    Gruden isn’t doing these QB camps because of his expertise with the specific position. He’s doing it because he’s fun to watch and it makes good tv.

    I still remember him making fun of C.J. Spiller last year. He showed a clip of Spiller getting sick on the sidelines and then showed a clip of the other team’s cheerleaders. “Do you know what the cheerleaders are cheering right here, CJ? They’re cheering, ‘Spiller’s on the sidelines! Spiller’s on the sidelines!”

  32. tombrookshire says: Apr 19, 2011 3:14 PM

    Seen Gruden’s show and it is a rare glimpse of what goes on between coach and player. Love the jargon and chalk talk with the players, then the on-field drills and coaching Grudog does. He really tries to get inside the players’ heads to get them to admit things about themselves and their play. He is a QB headshrinker.

  33. JSpicoli says: Apr 19, 2011 3:17 PM

    Marques Tuiasisopo

  34. JSpicoli says: Apr 19, 2011 3:19 PM

    islandjag says:
    Apr 19, 2011 2:40 PM
    I’m not the biggest Gruden fan, but don’t remember any of those qb’s lighting it up anywhere else either. Young or old. Garcia and Gannon were fired from their teams.

    And Simms was developing rather nicely until he left his spleen on the field.

    FYI, Gannon was 9-1 as a starter the previous year for KC, until Elvis Grbac got healthy and Mart. E. Shottenheimer Super Genius pulled Gannon and lost the first playoff game.

    Gannon was a battler and a good Qb before Gruden ever coached him.

  35. 6thsense79 says: Apr 19, 2011 3:19 PM

    andyreidcarboload says:
    Apr 19, 2011 2:08 PM
    Gruden took the high road. He has too many options at this point for him to get into a pissing match with a failed NFL hyped prospect. At this point, Gruden is in a pretty enviable position. He is just enjoying the ride
    ——————————-
    Failed hype project? Who the hell was hyping Shaun King?

  36. ronithan23 says: Apr 19, 2011 3:32 PM

    He could not spot talent in the draft if it fell in his lap (which it did time and time again)

    Current Buc starters from the Gruden/Allen draft regime.

    Quincy Black
    Geno Hayes
    Barrett Ruud
    Michael Bennett
    Aqib Talib (maybe?)
    Tanard Jackson (maybe?)

    Jeremy Zuttah
    Jeremy Trueblood (maybe?)
    Davin Joseph
    Earnest Graham

    How can you justify that? Its unacceptable. While the players were overacheiving with little or no talent around them, Gruden got the credit for the playoff appearences?

    Out of 50+ selections from 2002-2008 this is the best of the best that Gruden drafted.
    Horrible and embarrassing.

    When did he have a prolific offense? Why is he an “offensive guru?” He is media hype.

    Thank god the Glazers finaly came to their senses and got a real GM in there, and what appears to be a heck of a HC.

    You can say you are sorry for not developing King, but what about ALL THE OTHER PLAYERS DRAFTED!!!!

    None turned out to be worth their salt and I find it hard to believe it was all their fault. If New England can win with mostly no name players, how come Gruden cannot come anywhere near that success? Simple answer is he is over rated and cannot develop players or game plan with “the best of them.”

    He is not an elite coach and I don’t think NFL teams have been ringing his phone of the hook.
    ——————-
    You accurately point out that Gruden/Allen were awful at spotting talent in the Draft, but your argument fails in its assertion that he’s not a good Coach. The fact that he took teams with such crappy talent (his fault) to respectable records indicates he’s, in fact, pretty good as a Coach. I agree with you that he’s far from great, but would I take him over some of the unproven Head Coaches (Hue Jackson) or other retreads (John Fox)? Probably.

  37. myopinionisrighterthanyours says: Apr 19, 2011 4:12 PM

    While some of it I’m sure was Gruden, King needs to check the mirror as he had a somewhat lesser case of “JaMarcus” work ethic. QB’s like that develope themselves … around the gut.

  38. danderoo says: Apr 19, 2011 4:13 PM

    Gruden never met a QB he couldn’t smooze. King just didn’t have the right kind of clay to be molded into something special. He did a good job of handing off to his RBs. That was special.

  39. thefiesty1 says: Apr 19, 2011 5:10 PM

    If you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Oh, wait, he did. Kind of late to own io now.

  40. jbniner says: Apr 19, 2011 5:21 PM

    Shaun King is an idiot. The show is not about developing quarterbacks, it’s about highlighting the challenges these players will go through as they transition to the pro game. A superbowl winning coach is more than qualified to have these conversations.

    As to Shaun King…he was a mediocre QB who was replaced by a journeyman vet prior to a superbowl winning season. This says much more about King’s NFL talent than Gruden’s QB knowledge. Bottom line…you can’t make chicken salad out of chicket sh-t.

  41. jjoseph20 says: Apr 19, 2011 5:53 PM

    Here’s a fact.

    Shaun King’s Win% with the Bucs > Jon Gruden’s Win% with the Bucs

  42. bucyou2 says: Apr 19, 2011 7:36 PM

    ronithan23. You are right, however, it is pretty widely felt that the players overachieved and that’s is based on the piss poor play calling. In my opinion, he is a predictable play caller. He also never shook things up with unique or trick plays to throw DCs off balance. I’m glad more people are seeing how horrible he and Bruce Allen were at talent evaluation. Not a single super star and dozens of busts.

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