Comments on: Pioli explains needs over value, and Jeff Marriott over Tom Brady http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/19/pioli-explains-needs-over-value-and-jeff-marriott-over-tom-brady/ ProFootballTalk on NBCSports.com Sun, 19 May 2013 17:05:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: bcgreg http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/19/pioli-explains-needs-over-value-and-jeff-marriott-over-tom-brady/#comment-1035934 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 12:32:10 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=125964#comment-1035934 @ medtxpack

When Starr was drafted, there were only 12 teams in the league. So, to say he was drafted in the 17th round when there were only 12 teams doesn’t sound so great now does it? According to Pro-Football Reference, Starr was taken 200th overall. Brady was taken 199th. Same spot even though Brady was a 6th round pick compared to a 17th rounder.

Starr was a great QB no doubt, but he was on a loser team before Lombardi got there. GB finished near or at the bottom every year Starr was there until Lombardi. After that, they won. So was it Starr? Or Lombardi? Brady has won ever since he stepped in for Bledsoe. And, don’t say it’s because of Belichick because the Pats were 5-12 with the Bledsoe-Belichick combo in 2000-2001. Brady’s a MUCH better QB than Starr. Starr doesn’t even make it into the top 5 all time discussion. He’s the next tier, which is great, but not top 5.

I am not disparaging Starr at all. He was great, but he doesn’t have the same story as Brady. But, if you bothered to do any research, you’d know that ESPN originally aired a SportsCentury feature on Starr on January 12, 2004.

]]> By: majmalphunktion http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/19/pioli-explains-needs-over-value-and-jeff-marriott-over-tom-brady/#comment-1035723 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:00:57 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=125964#comment-1035723 i.e. Matt Cassel in 2008. Look at that roster. That Cassel did that well was because that roster the year before went 18-1.People also forget that Cassel is a pro bowl QB, not Antwon Randel El or some other QB scrub. Sadly that year…or fortunately for 31 other teams fans, Brady went down. The Pats were primed to run the table again.

The reason this is a story is how in this day and age do so many miss on this guy? It wasn’t like he was invisible in college…only won a bowl game for fricking Michigan…

Disbelievers, go look at Brady’s stats…if you can stand it.

]]> By: nepatriots128154 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/19/pioli-explains-needs-over-value-and-jeff-marriott-over-tom-brady/#comment-1033018 Tue, 19 Apr 2011 20:08:00 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=125964#comment-1033018 medtxpack says: Apr 19, 2011 11:50 AM

Brady is a great player but i think they are overplaying this whole ordeal. like he was the best draft pick ever or something….please…..

Bart Starr was taken in the 17th round at pick 200(some say 199)! Wheres his special?!

Brady can keep the “tuck rule game” and all his close calls where someone else on his team kicked the winning field goal…..Bart Starr ran it in himself in the Ice Bowl….boom roasted!

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Starr was taken in the 17th round and Brady in the 6th. However, rounds were much shorter when Starr was chosen. In fact, both players were pick 199, just in different rounds. Also, nice job discrediting his 3 Super Bowls and 2 MVPs because he didn’t kick the game winning field goals. Quarterbacks throw the ball, field goal kickers kick it. Wanna also discredit his touchdown passes because he didn’t catch them? He drove them down the field when it mattered most and set them up for the game winning field goal.

People talk about Brady being taken in the 6th round because he is the greatest draft steal of all time. There isn’t even a debate on that. When one of the greatest and most successful QBs of all time becomes a complete afterthought and falls to the 6th round, of course people will make a big deal about it.

]]> By: 6thsense79 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/19/pioli-explains-needs-over-value-and-jeff-marriott-over-tom-brady/#comment-1032958 Tue, 19 Apr 2011 19:28:06 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=125964#comment-1032958 citizenstrange says:
Apr 19, 2011 2:43 PM
Oh yes the mighty, mighty Matt Cassel led Patriots who couldn’t even make the playoffs even though they rotated through the pee poor afc west and played in the equally pee poor afc east, a division that was won by the same Dolphins who had won ONE GAME the season before.

A mediocre high school team could have gotten 10 wins with that schedule.

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You sir no nothing at all about football. 1st off no medicore HS qb makes it to the NFL. Every single NFL Quarterback was a star on the high school level. In any case Matt Cassel is indeed mighty. He had a great season with the Chiefs and helped carried a team that was bad last year into the playoffs.

New England has a great system and were able to identify two lightly regarded QBs that fit their system. As proof that it is a combination of both the player and system Cassel went out and had a pro bowl year last year with a different team.

]]> By: citizenstrange http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/19/pioli-explains-needs-over-value-and-jeff-marriott-over-tom-brady/#comment-1032875 Tue, 19 Apr 2011 18:43:17 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=125964#comment-1032875 Oh yes the mighty, mighty Matt Cassel led Patriots who couldn’t even make the playoffs even though they rotated through the pee poor afc west and played in the equally pee poor afc east, a division that was won by the same Dolphins who had won ONE GAME the season before.

A mediocre high school team could have gotten 10 wins with that schedule.

]]> By: cleanface http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/19/pioli-explains-needs-over-value-and-jeff-marriott-over-tom-brady/#comment-1032862 Tue, 19 Apr 2011 18:32:01 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=125964#comment-1032862 Will Pioli just admit that they got lucky drafting Brady? Everyone knows it. They took a flier on him late in the draft and he turned out to be awesome. If they had any clue as to how good he would be they would have drafted him a lot sooner.

]]> By: frankvzappa http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/19/pioli-explains-needs-over-value-and-jeff-marriott-over-tom-brady/#comment-1032834 Tue, 19 Apr 2011 18:08:29 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=125964#comment-1032834 medtxpack says:

Brady is a great player but i think they are overplaying this whole ordeal. like he was the best draft pick ever or something….please…..

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he WAS the best draft pick ever, thats the point…

]]> By: bowlhounds http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/19/pioli-explains-needs-over-value-and-jeff-marriott-over-tom-brady/#comment-1032814 Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:54:12 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=125964#comment-1032814 kratos7002 says:
Apr 19, 2011 11:58 AM
If I am Brady I make the patriots pay big time in money to pass on me every round. without Brady they are nothing more than a 500 team.

Apparently you were asleep for the 2008 season when a guy named Matt Cassell quaterbacked em to an 11-5 record

]]> By: tr975 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/19/pioli-explains-needs-over-value-and-jeff-marriott-over-tom-brady/#comment-1032809 Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:47:02 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=125964#comment-1032809 tomwill21 says:

Who is Jeff Marriott?

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The hotel guy

]]> By: CKL http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/19/pioli-explains-needs-over-value-and-jeff-marriott-over-tom-brady/#comment-1032807 Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:44:34 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=125964#comment-1032807 I don’t know if Pioli told the story because it didn’t listen to the podcast yet but when he was in NE he talked about how one of the things he did to remind himself that you can’t rest on your laurels and how much luck sometimes factors into the draft is that he kept a photo of Brady and the other guy they picked in the 6th round ahead of Brady on his desk.
As a Pats fan, I will always have big love and respect for Pioli because I know he had opportunities elsewhere (including one with his father in law)and he stayed in NE for a couple extra years because he felt loyalty for how BB helped him along in his career. SP=class guy. That old school mentality isn’t that common anymore.

]]> By: moondog7 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/19/pioli-explains-needs-over-value-and-jeff-marriott-over-tom-brady/#comment-1032805 Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:43:43 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=125964#comment-1032805 kratos7002 says:
Apr 19, 2011 11:58 AM
If I am Brady I make the patriots pay big time in money to pass on me every round. without Brady they are nothing more than a 500 team.

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Or they are a 10 – 6 team with a QB who never started a game since high school (matt cassel). Bradys a great QB but hes benifited from great coaching, defense, and a kicker whos an all time great. QBS dont win or lose super bowls, teams do. If Brady had been drafted by Clevland would he still be this great player? Who knows

]]> By: We'reFineThere http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/19/pioli-explains-needs-over-value-and-jeff-marriott-over-tom-brady/#comment-1032788 Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:31:28 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=125964#comment-1032788 Kratos, tell that to Matt Cassell. One could easily argue that if Brady was drafted by a team like the Lions or Bengals he could be a Jeff Marriott.

]]> By: fground http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/19/pioli-explains-needs-over-value-and-jeff-marriott-over-tom-brady/#comment-1032786 Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:28:36 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=125964#comment-1032786 Well actually kratos7002 they were 11-5 without Brady in 2008.

]]> By: philyeagles5 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/19/pioli-explains-needs-over-value-and-jeff-marriott-over-tom-brady/#comment-1032783 Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:25:04 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=125964#comment-1032783 how is does this qualify as news? he was drafted over a decade ago. like hes the only player to be drafted after someone even though hes better? give me a break. hop off this guys nuts already.

]]> By: dbo2020 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/19/pioli-explains-needs-over-value-and-jeff-marriott-over-tom-brady/#comment-1032777 Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:18:11 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=125964#comment-1032777 Well, does this pretty much end any useless debate over need versus BPA? I mean, the Pats could have lost out on Brady because they went with need in the 5th round. They got lucky Brady was still there a round later.

]]> By: citizenstrange http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/19/pioli-explains-needs-over-value-and-jeff-marriott-over-tom-brady/#comment-1032776 Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:15:32 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=125964#comment-1032776 Is the above Brady scream the one they use on CSI Miami when David Caruso puts on his sunglasses?

]]> By: cylondetector http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/19/pioli-explains-needs-over-value-and-jeff-marriott-over-tom-brady/#comment-1032742 Tue, 19 Apr 2011 16:41:35 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=125964#comment-1032742 Any sentence that begins with “If I am Brady…..” is doomed to failure.

]]> By: kratos7002 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/19/pioli-explains-needs-over-value-and-jeff-marriott-over-tom-brady/#comment-1032687 Tue, 19 Apr 2011 15:58:16 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=125964#comment-1032687 If I am Brady I make the patriots pay big time in money to pass on me every round. without Brady they are nothing more than a 500 team.

]]> By: tomwill21 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/19/pioli-explains-needs-over-value-and-jeff-marriott-over-tom-brady/#comment-1032679 Tue, 19 Apr 2011 15:51:33 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=125964#comment-1032679 Who is Jeff Marriott?

]]> By: medtxpack http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/19/pioli-explains-needs-over-value-and-jeff-marriott-over-tom-brady/#comment-1032675 Tue, 19 Apr 2011 15:50:13 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=125964#comment-1032675 Brady is a great player but i think they are overplaying this whole ordeal. like he was the best draft pick ever or something….please…..

Bart Starr was taken in the 17th round at pick 200(some say 199)! Wheres his special?!

Brady can keep the “tuck rule game” and all his close calls where someone else on his team kicked the winning field goal…..Bart Starr ran it in himself in the Ice Bowl….boom roasted!

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