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Amani Toomer: Roger Goodell uses Gestapo-like tactics

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Former Giants wide receiver Amani Toomer says the way NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell deals with players is reminiscent of the tactics employed by the secret police of Nazi Germany.

“I think the way Mr. Goodell has handled this, the way he’s kind of using his power, is like the kind of a Gestapo-type situation, controlling the players, not letting the judicial system do its work,” Toomer said Wednesday, in comments that were repeated on ESPN Radio Thursday morning. “It rubs a lot of players the wrong way, and that’s why you see a lot of players now lashing out at Mr. Goodell.”

Toomer is far from the first person on the players’ side of the debate to offer a harsh assessment of Goodell, and it’s becoming clear as the lockout wears on that many NFL players don’t have a lot of respect for the commissioner.

But Toomer’s comments go far beyond what any player has said about Goodell previously. It’s one thing for Derrick Mason to call Goodell a joke. It’s quite another for Toomer to liken Goodell to a Nazi.

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  1. airraid77 says: Apr 21, 2011 11:05 AM

    its the players that are using the nuclear weapon…not the owners.
    Its the players that went to litigation. NoT THE OWNERS.
    ITs the players that wont negotiate, NOT THE OWNERS.

  2. packfntk says: Apr 21, 2011 11:07 AM

    My God, this is ridiculous. I thought these guys were college educated?

  3. mightymightylafootball says: Apr 21, 2011 11:08 AM

    *hand in palm, sigh*

    Nothing like a good ‘ol extremist analogy to make your point – badly.

    If asked, could Ammani actual describe the realities of the “Gestapo-type situation” in Warsaw in 1943?

  4. gtfan says: Apr 21, 2011 11:08 AM

    “Gestapo” may be taking it a bit far, but the man certainly carries himself as a dictator, and it certainly seems like that is partly responsible for the enormous rift between the two sides. I have a hard time blaming the players for not letting the owners shove a lot of concessions down the players’ throats after they’ve had to deal with Goodell doing the same as judge, jury and executioner all season.

  5. hoobsher says: Apr 21, 2011 11:08 AM

    yes, because amani toomer was forced into the ghettos of germany and beaten savagely and taken from his family and shipped to a camp and starved and forced to work and killed

    thats TOTALLY what goodell is doing to the players.

    theres smart players like troy polamalu and then theres guys like this and adrian peterson who ruin it for the smart players by saying something dumb to try to get their point across

  6. bigbigodnarb says: Apr 21, 2011 11:08 AM

    It’s pretty obvious he meant gestapo in the colloquial sense.

  7. canadianvikingfaniii says: Apr 21, 2011 11:08 AM

    Ja, mein Herr OberCommissioner Goodell is a tyrant.

  8. huskersrock1 says: Apr 21, 2011 11:09 AM

    Toomer obviously doesn’t know what a nazi is or what the Gestapo did. When they come to round you and your children up for certain death or they hall you in and torture you for hours, then you can compare Goodell to Himmler.

    By the way, Goodell is not preventing the justice system from working, he is a citizen just like you.

  9. gtfan says: Apr 21, 2011 11:10 AM

    airraid77, who exactly canceled the CBA? Who imposed the lockout? Players negotiated the last CBA, had it canceled, got locked out, and now everyone expects them to suck it up and negotiate a new one? Negotiating with the owners has worked wonders in the past, obviously.

  10. paulitik74 says: Apr 21, 2011 11:12 AM

    @airraid77
    It’s a lockout, not a strike.

    You may not like the players, or how they are handling it, but it’s the owners keeping us from having a season. This could all be worked out while the season went on under 2010 rules.

    Let the lawyers do what they do, and lets’ have some damn football this year.

  11. krow101 says: Apr 21, 2011 11:13 AM

    Toomer’s such a clown. He’s always angry about something.

  12. greengoldcheese says: Apr 21, 2011 11:14 AM

    Hey Amani, did you ever think that clubbing and partying all night with a gun in your pants, that oh yeah, goes off when your surrounded by other people might rub a lot of players (not to mention Goodell) the “wrong way?”

    Shut up and grow up! Be happy your “Gestapo-type situation” didn’t end with anybody but you getting shot.

  13. apac6586 says: Apr 21, 2011 11:14 AM

    And the WTF? comment of the year goes too… Amani Toomer!

  14. nfl25 says: Apr 21, 2011 11:15 AM

    i read somne strange posts from some emotional player backers saying that they dont belive the owners are suffering and losing money, and they also said what do owner backers have in common with the owners and we hate the players cuz they make alot of money blah blah blah.

    the owners arent suffering. they made a billion dollar investmnet and they are allowed to make money off of it. nobody said the owners are suffering. if anything wouldnt we be mad at the owners cuz they make way more than the players?

    we want whats good for FOOTBALL, that just happens to be whats good for the owners. most player backers seem like they are in love with the players so they want them to get as much $$ as they can. i just want whats best for the game. everyone should want whats best for the game. u r in love wit this player now but in a couple years he will be gone and u will be in love wit another player.

    my advice is to back ur team and organization and stop falling in love wit certain players

  15. vietnambob2473 says: Apr 21, 2011 11:15 AM

    Who gives a damn what Amani Toomer says? He doesn’t even have a spot in the league any more so he’s making stupid comments to get a little exposure. The guy couldn’t even make a bad KC team starved for WR talent.

  16. jw731 says: Apr 21, 2011 11:16 AM

    Simply put….This has gone far enough

  17. nolanorth says: Apr 21, 2011 11:16 AM

    Once again I stress.. Free education to play football and they do not learn a single thing.

    YOU WERE GIVEN A FREE EDUCATION.. ARE YOU F-ING SERIOUS??????

    I wonder if the players will now refer to themselves as the lost survivors of the Holocaust..

    Will Derrick Mason part the sea to free his brothers in shackles and escape from the tyrant known as Goodell…

  18. djstat says: Apr 21, 2011 11:20 AM

    The fact that NFL players have compared the labor dispute to slavery and Nazi Germany is a disgrace. Amani Toomer, as Giants fan, I officially despise you and hope you lose all of your money in retirement for having the nerve to compare a labor dispute to 13 Million people being killed by the Nazi’s. You are a pathetic excuse for a man.

  19. jw731 says: Apr 21, 2011 11:20 AM

    Tell me Amani……….is Go0dell rounding you up in the far outskirts of Poland to exececute you simply because of your heritage?…And anyone wonders why the owners will win with this idiotic mindset….

  20. skummyone says: Apr 21, 2011 11:20 AM

    Wow, Godwin’s law comes up yet again.

  21. cmstrick says: Apr 21, 2011 11:21 AM

    Amani, I don’t think you’re getting your point across.

    I think what you meant to say is that you’re butt-hurt because the current commissioner isn’t willing to jeopardize the future of the league just so he and the owners can keep kissing your spoiled asses.

    Anytime you need help expressing yourself, shoot me an email. I’m always here…

  22. thevikes85 says: Apr 21, 2011 11:21 AM

    First these morons trivialise slavery now the holocaust?I’m done,seriously these people are actual idiots i will not read another story of what an NFL player thinks,Good Lord.

  23. irishfalcon says: Apr 21, 2011 11:21 AM

    Some people take everything so literally… no he is not saying Goodell is actually a member of the Nazi party; but his main point that Goodell’s method’s are often both totalitarian and heavy handed is a fair one

  24. thephantomstranger says: Apr 21, 2011 11:22 AM

    greengoldcheese says:
    Apr 21, 2011 11:14 AM
    Hey Amani, did you ever think that clubbing and partying all night with a gun in your pants, that oh yeah, goes off when your surrounded by other people might rub a lot of players (not to mention Goodell) the “wrong way?”

    Shut up and grow up! Be happy your “Gestapo-type situation” didn’t end with anybody but you getting shot.
    _______________

    Uhhh…I think you’re thinking of Plaxico Burress.

  25. Kave Krew says: Apr 21, 2011 11:22 AM

    If i am The Commish, then i take all these criticisms by players and ex-players as a compliment. This means that all these “tactics” are effective and making players think twice when about to do something stupid.

  26. friendlylittletrees says: Apr 21, 2011 11:22 AM

    Sounds like Toomer is taking advice on speaking from Jalen Rose.

  27. thephantomstranger says: Apr 21, 2011 11:23 AM

    I’m sure the owners aren’t big fans of De Smith either, but they aren’t stupid enough to make comments like this.

  28. dccowboy says: Apr 21, 2011 11:23 AM

    Really? I’d be willing to bet that Mr Toomer doesn’t have the faintest idea how the Gestapo treated people. To try and make that comparison is ludicrous.

    How many NFL players have simply disappeared during the night for instance? That is how the Gestapo ‘treated’ people.

    ====================================

    gtfan says: Apr 21, 2011 11:10 AM

    airraid77, who exactly canceled the CBA? Who imposed the lockout? Players negotiated the last CBA, had it canceled, got locked out, and now everyone expects them to suck it up and negotiate a new one? Negotiating with the owners has worked wonders in the past, obviously.

    ++++++++++++++

    Okay, so who decertified while still negoitiating with the owners?

    The ability to ‘opt out’ was available to both Owners and Players and was negotiated and agreed to by the players as part of the last CBA. Why express outrage that one side or the other elected to exercise the option? Why act like it was some preemptory action by the owners that the poor, defenseless players had no idea was possible and no control over? If the players didn’t want that option to be available, they shouldn’t have agreed to it as part of the CBA.

    When the players decertified (while in continuing to ‘negotiate’ with the owners in another room for an hour after they decertified), the owners had no choice but to ‘lock the players out’. They had no one to negotiate the terms of a new deal, the old deal was not in effect, there were no ‘rules’ for them to follow. I suppose they could have imposed their own set of rules on the players, but that was probably illegal under anti-trust.

  29. rpiotr01 says: Apr 21, 2011 11:26 AM

    Lol. Besides the nazi comparison, I love the general logic. The players drop a first strike nuclear bomb, literally trying to destroy the NFL as it’s been known for the past 60-70 years, but Goodell is the bad guy for trying to prevent that. How dare he try to stop the process that will change the game forever, and for the worse!

  30. citizenstrange says: Apr 21, 2011 11:26 AM

    Whenever I see Amani Toomer’s name in my head I always hear Arnold Schwarzenegger pronouncing it:
    Ah-mah-nee Tooh-mah

  31. jnbnet says: Apr 21, 2011 11:26 AM

    These guys lash out at Goodell because he is the one who has enforced the rules. They will lash out at anyone who enforces the CBA. How would the NFL be better if players were allowed to do whatever they wanted? If players followed the rules, Mr. Goodell would not have to suspend or fine anyone.

  32. bigd9484 says: Apr 21, 2011 11:26 AM

    ITS NOT A TOOMER!

  33. adrianpetersonisthevoiceofreason says: Apr 21, 2011 11:28 AM

    You go, Amani!

  34. flyerscup2010 says: Apr 21, 2011 11:29 AM

    i’m willing to bet that the vast majority of the people on here who constantly complain about the players are more likely to identify with the political party whose members often compare the president to hitler. thus, i’m trusting they will voice no disapproval here.

  35. nfl25 says: Apr 21, 2011 11:29 AM

    gtfan,

    big differnce between canceled the contractand OPTED OUT. they were allowed to OPT out just like the players were allowed to OPT out. if the players didnt want the owners to be able to do this, then they should not have put the opt out clause in the last agreement

  36. bigbigodnarb says: Apr 21, 2011 11:30 AM

    You people are seriously stupid. Gestapo is frequently used just to refer things that are overly disciplinarian. Toomer was not actually saying that Goodell is like a Nazi.

    Check the word’s wiki page:

    “Sometimes the word Gestapo is used colloquially for other organizations which are felt to be disciplinarian: see Nazism in popular culture. An example is in the book version of the Tron movie, where while inexpertly destructively driving a big vehicle a character says “This kind of romp is going to annoy the local gestapo.” “

  37. jnbnet says: Apr 21, 2011 11:30 AM

    greengoldcheese says:
    Apr 21, 2011 11:14 AM
    Hey Amani, did you ever think that clubbing and partying all night with a gun in your pants, that oh yeah, goes off when your surrounded by other people might rub a lot of players (not to mention Goodell) the “wrong way?”

    Shut up and grow up! Be happy your “Gestapo-type situation” didn’t end with anybody but you getting shot.

    ———————————————————-
    O K
    I give up

  38. airraid77 says: Apr 21, 2011 11:30 AM

    who signed the agreement that allowe EITHER SIDE TO BACK OUT OF THE Agreement.
    which came first the litigation or the lockout?
    NO LITIGATION AND Continue NEGOTIATIONS equal NO LOCK OUT.

  39. richm2256 says: Apr 21, 2011 11:30 AM

    ENOUGH!!!!

    These million dollar morons need to stop using references such as “slavery” and Gestapo.

    Seriously.

    Those two issues are far too serious for people being paid millions of dollars to willing play their sport to be using to describe their greedy atempt to wrest billions MORE dollars from the owners.

    People DIED as a result of the Gestapo. People DIED as a result of slavery, or trying to escape it. You idiots willingly signed contracts to get milions of dollars for playing a freaking GAME!

    Sit out all you want you greedy ba$tards, but shut the hell up with these stupid analogies that make you look like self-inflating jack-a$$es.

    Please.

  40. dryzzt23 says: Apr 21, 2011 11:32 AM

    If Toomer is “suffering” under such tyranny, then why does he not quit?

    In fact the media should be ripping Toomer to shreds for even talking about this, Jews everywhere(and Germans too) should rip Toomer

  41. bigbigodnarb says: Apr 21, 2011 11:33 AM

    @nolarth

    You’re wrong. College athletes aren’t given a “free” education. “Free” means you receive something but offer nothing valuable in exchange. College athletes play sports and the school makes millions. That education wasn’t free.

  42. rskills says: Apr 21, 2011 11:35 AM

    I love the picture they chose of Goodell for this article, almost looks like he’s saying heil Hitler!

  43. hank10 says: Apr 21, 2011 11:35 AM

    Maybe he meant Gazpacho-style tactics. Because any college educated adult would not compare a simple labor-strife in 2011 with a state-run secret police force in 1930s and 1940s Germany. Would he?

  44. bigperm33 says: Apr 21, 2011 11:38 AM

    The word choice was poor, but the point is still correct. Goodell from day one on the job has tried to be this tough, no nonsense bully. He makes decisions based on what he and only he thinks. The player conduct policy is a great example – if a player wants a suspension reduced, the player has to go talk to Goodell one one one and basically kiss up to the commissioner. Goodell from day one on the job has talked about a lockout and all the bogus needs of the owners – he does not allow facts to get in the way of his argument, and he will use anything and say anything to force the players to do what he wants. And all he wants is the owners to make more money, because he knows no matter what he does, no matter how badly he screws things up, if he makes the owners money, he will have his job for as long as he wants. The owners have only one issue on their side – rookie wage scale. The NFL already has a hard salary cap, the NFL already is the only major professional sport where the contracts are not guaranteed, the NFL routinely brags it is the most popular sport, the NFL already has tv ratings that dwarf all other sports – yet Goodell and the owners are insisting things are so bad they had to lockout the players. What he has done is a complete and absolute joke, and it is shocking to me that it appears he is getting away with his actions. There are hundreds and hundreds of players – dont let a few who say stupid things or say something in the heat of the moment they shouldnt, distract from the larger issue – Goodell and the owners, who make millions for a league making billions, are willing to shut everything down to squeeze out every extra cent they can from the players (and from the fans – they want the fans to pay and pay for their new stadiums, and if the fans wont pay, they will get that extra money from all tax payers). Goodell and the owners are greedy and their actions are shameful.

  45. cscfriarbob says: Apr 21, 2011 11:38 AM

    Godwin’s rule seems to apply here. I don’t care how pissed you are, unless the person in question actually IS a Nazi (and even then it’s a big risk), you’re shooting your own foot off to try to compare him to them.

  46. chapnastier says: Apr 21, 2011 11:38 AM

    Are these players serious? I can’t get over how seriously these guys lack judgment. We all have issues with our bosses but come on.

  47. pftard says: Apr 21, 2011 11:39 AM

    Now, now.., let’s not put words in peoples mouths. Toomer didn’t call Goodell a Nazi. He implied that he’s Nazi-ish. Let’s keep the facts straight here…,

  48. krow101 says: Apr 21, 2011 11:40 AM

    greengoldcheese… I think you’re confusing Toomer with Burress.

  49. emmonsh says: Apr 21, 2011 11:40 AM

    not sure the concentration camps paid 5 million a year. you are the biggest loser ever. man the more i read i hope they lock them out for 2 years

  50. tednancy says: Apr 21, 2011 11:42 AM

    Anyone who uses “Gestapo” as a colloquialism is ignorant of the Holocaust in particular and of history in general.

    Even if Toomer is stupid enough to believe this analogy, he is all the more stupid for saying it in public.

    He also timed his comment to coincide with Passover. What a smart, sensitive man he must be.

  51. emmonsh says: Apr 21, 2011 11:42 AM

    by the way it seems to me the players are lashing out at the union,oops i mean the nflpa,lol. and bigbob you honestly think hes not talking about nazi,s. you must be a moron

  52. salmen76 says: Apr 21, 2011 11:45 AM

    I think Amani Toomer nailed it. Wish i woulda thought of it. Goodell is just like a Nazi. I wouldn’t pi$$ on wu$$ Goodell if he was on fire.

  53. duanethomas says: Apr 21, 2011 11:50 AM

    Toomer is an ex.player therefore he is lined up with the owners/NFL. The first chink in the armor! The owners will cave by June.

    :)

  54. tednancy says: Apr 21, 2011 11:54 AM

    Even if Toomer was speaking tongue-in-cheek, he still comes off as insensitive and ignorant for making the comparison.

    I am always bemused when someone who, by rights, ought to know better makes a Nazi, Slavery, or Holocaust analogy. At best, Toomer appears to be crass, insensitive, and possibly ignorant. At worst, he appears to believe that acting as commissioner of the NFL is akin to committing genocide.

    Nice move Amani.

  55. siggy00 says: Apr 21, 2011 11:57 AM

    He’s right though. Rozelle and Tags had clout but they made the NFL about the players, about the owners, Goodell makes everything about HIM.

    Goodell has no respect for the game. Who covered up SpyGate and gave the Pats a slap on the wrist? Goodell. Think Rozelle would have? I don’t.

    Suspending players based on accusations alone? Revealing “details” about a supposed “confidential” investigation days prior to the start of the playoffs?

    Goodell has no respect for tradition. Changing how the draft is conducted (Prime time on Thursday night? LOL).

    The “new” conference trophies look like something you’d buy for $10 at a flea market. What was wrong with the old ones? They had class and dignity.

    The league was just fine until this jerkoff took over.

  56. snowpea84 says: Apr 21, 2011 12:01 PM

    Every time these players open their mouths they seem to validate the idea that, well, they are absurd and have the ideas that pass through their heads shoould not be taken seriously. So when they come out saying they want whats fair, why would I think they have any concept of what that actually is. Why would I think they are capable of understanding why waht they want is not fair and is not good for the game.

  57. really2011 says: Apr 21, 2011 12:02 PM

    I am pretty sure, the Commissioner being the “judge, jury, and executioner” was agreed to in the last CBA. (which was in place when Goodell took the job). So again, some of us are actually mad at people exercising their legal right.

    The Commissioner actually use the power given to the office by both sides in the last CBA.

    The owners lockout in the absence of an agreement.

    The players decertify to gain legal leverage.

    The owners trying to restart mediation outside of Minnesota.

    C’mon are we really so stupid that we miss the fact that the posturing is all about gaining leverage. Shouldn’t the owners want to win, shouldn’t the players want to win? They are using all of there resources and tactics.

    My only advice for the players, in the wake of arrests, etc. is to stay away from slavery, Gustapo, and statements about voting a new board of executives when you have “decertified.”

  58. kingjoe1 says: Apr 21, 2011 12:03 PM

    Hey – So maybe Toomer should be required to visit the Holocaust Museum to realize what he is saying.

    How about we also have Adrian Peterson visist a museum on Slavery.

    It seems that there are a number of folks need to get a jolt of reality in their lives.

  59. kevinfromphilly says: Apr 21, 2011 12:08 PM

    I don’t know about Goodell, but Brad Childress always had a scary resemblance to Col. Klink. You think maybe Favre had a secret tunnel under the Metrodome?

  60. thespeaker08 says: Apr 21, 2011 12:10 PM

    Oh, Sure, fellas! Come use our athletic facilities for free but don’t even worry about playing those silly little games this fall… No biggie!

  61. steel086 says: Apr 21, 2011 12:12 PM

    irishfalcon, bigperm33,

    You both make excellent points. All of the people want to claim the players are morons, still stupid and got a free education are hilarious to me. Because in all thier infinite wisdom, fail to understand the point he tried to make, although he could have used a more descriptive statement to go along with his analogy. I agree that the Commish has too much power. Any of you that think that to appeal a ruling, that you should have to beg the person who made the ruling for leniency is foolish. The goverment even has a check and balance system, so why not the NFL.

  62. whatswiththehate says: Apr 21, 2011 12:12 PM

    nolanorth says:
    Apr 21, 2011 11:16 AM
    Once again I stress.. Free education to play football and they do not learn a single thing.
    —————————
    Let’s not get it twisted. Their education was not FREE. That’s the BS those who are in control want to sell you as they make million off the backs of the students who can’t even sell their own DAMN posessions. And in your mind that is FREE..No wonder you folks behave the way you do..

    You totally clueless as to the history of this country but is quick to want to school others about what other countries did.

  63. niceh11 says: Apr 21, 2011 12:16 PM

    Toomer went to Michigan–I’m sure he’s more intelligant than 80% of you clowns.

  64. ramsfanjoe says: Apr 21, 2011 12:16 PM

    Please Amain, you are playing a game! You made hundreds of thousands if not millions playing it. dude, get out a history book and read about the Nazi Gestapo and what they really were before you insert the whole shoe store in your mouth again!

  65. niceh11 says: Apr 21, 2011 12:18 PM

    christ…intelligent I mean.

  66. ramsfanjoe says: Apr 21, 2011 12:18 PM

    Got to hand it to you Amani, you didn’t want to be a small potatoe by just sticking your foot in your mouth, you went all out and inserted the entire shoe store in it. Good Job!

  67. imongo says: Apr 21, 2011 12:26 PM

    I can’t remember how much money the Jews made in prison camps, but I’m pretty sure the Nazi’s didn’t pay them very much. And the NFL owners don’t kill too many players do they? The “Gestapo-type situation” seems pretty apt otherwise. With smart, intelligent comments like these, the players and veterans are sure helping their cause. Amazing how little the owners say isn’t it? Who’s smarter here?

  68. abengalfan says: Apr 21, 2011 12:27 PM

    Lucky for Toomer former players are not subject to drug testing.

  69. CKL says: Apr 21, 2011 12:29 PM

    dccowboy says:
    Apr 21, 2011 11:23 AM

    When the players decertified (while in continuing to ‘negotiate’ with the owners in another room for an hour after they decertified), the owners had no choice but to ‘lock the players out’. They had no one to negotiate the terms of a new deal, the old deal was not in effect, there were no ‘rules’ for them to follow. I suppose they could have imposed their own set of rules on the players, but that was probably illegal under anti-trust.
    ________________________________
    That’s the impression I had as well. Had the owners not locked the players out, any rules they would have tried to impose would have then been challengeable by the NFLPA* in court under anti-trust laws. Perhaps they could have gotten the NFLPA* to hold them harmless on those, not sure. But once the NFLPA* decertified I think the owners only sure option if they wanted to avoid anti-trust challenges was to lock out.

    NFL25, you said it best in your two posts on how I feel. It’s the game not either side that’s important.

    As for Goodell, I don’t like how the owners have empowered him to be judge, jury and executioner on things. I feel the players have a right to have an appeals process that is made up of independent or separate parties, not “oh you have to appeal only to the person who decided the suspension”.

  70. roynp3 says: Apr 21, 2011 12:32 PM

    No wonder the owners and players want to settle this in the courts. If this was a public relations battle, they’d have already both lost.

  71. eslaught says: Apr 21, 2011 12:33 PM

    Remember when the Gestapo would round up jews and other “non-desirables” and then commit mass murders? Amani doesn’t because he played football for too long. Maybe the players have something with long-term mental health care.
    Goodell is a joke, a Nazi, and a slave driver (speculation)?
    Players are criminals, rapists, and PED users. (actually proven by the legal system)!
    Good job players, you are proving why you don’t deserve any more than you already have.

  72. skinscc says: Apr 21, 2011 12:46 PM

    Ok obviously Toomer has never held a real job. If you are employed somewhere, and say for example you are arrested during your employment for lets say…..assault. I can promise you that your employer will have a problem whenver he finds out, and their will be consequences, in addition to the judicial system.

    This is why players like this should stick to playing and let the people writing the paychecks make the decisions.

  73. chapnastier says: Apr 21, 2011 12:56 PM

    @ flyerscup

    That is funny that you point out political party affiliation with supporting the players since George Bush was called a Nazi and Hitler for his entire administration. All presidents get labeled as Hitler by the other party!! Geez, the idiocy is on high alert today.

  74. pitch87mph says: Apr 21, 2011 1:03 PM

    I think this also demonstrates an axiom, “No good deed goes unpunished.” It’s difficult to know what goes on behind the scenes. Case in point, a friend of mine is a close friend of one of the Patriots players (who shall go unnamed) and he told me about the post game meet and greet his friend invited him to, the behavior of the players (and for some of them, the brutish behavior of their entitled families)… and while I guess the story wasn’t surprising, per se, It’s certainly outside the realm of any reality the guy on the street would recognize.

    Similarly, publicly, Goodell seems to very much wish to be a “friend” to the players (notwithstanding this recent lockout–I’m talking about pre-lockout). And I always questioned this approach. Like a father to his son, you can be “friends” later in life (to extend the analogy, in this case, after the players have retired from the game). But when you’re responsible for disciplining them, showing them how to be a man (so to speak), there has to be a little bit of fear (or at least authoritative respect). I think Goodell wants to do the right thing, but these players are mostly boy-men. And in a sense, Goodell is their daddy. And while he can be “friends”, he has to maintain their respect. And that seems to not be there. And I would partially blame that on Goodell being too close to the players–trying to be their friend. The reality is that’s not his role. Like sons to their fathers, sometimes they “hate them”. But as they grow, they realize what they were doing. Maybe that will happen in the long run with these players. But seems more like they find his reaching out to players to be disingenuous–and he’s losing their respect (if he ever had it). If I’m Goodell, I say F*&K the players. Drive a hard (but fair) bargain. The long-term growth and success of the game depends on economic sustainability. Otherwise we get a situation like baseball or basketball–where teams seemingly move every few years, we know the 5 or 6 teams that have any chance of winning it, and small markets suffer intolerable play. Just my $0.02.

  75. jameswestphal says: Apr 21, 2011 1:09 PM

    Ignorant clown making a disrespectful/ridiculous statement. Nice. How about you keep your yap shut and let the Union handle it you fool?

  76. voiceofrealism says: Apr 21, 2011 1:10 PM

    I do think it’s important to know what the players are thinking. If one of them ever decides to do that…..I’m all ears.

  77. dragonfly99 says: Apr 21, 2011 1:11 PM

    Its stupid comments like this and Adrian Peterson’s remarks that really leads to the public siding with the owners. I thought these guys were college educated. It doesn’t say much for our higher education system for college atheletes

  78. warmachine2112 says: Apr 21, 2011 1:13 PM

    Well, that Gestapo simile has to be pretty specific given that the Gestapo operated without any recourse to judiciary following an act of legislation in 1936.

    So, either Mr Toomer has a detailed knowledge of specific events within Germany between 1934 and 1936 (which would imply a very complex thesis-level information source) or he’s talking in a manner that may be mistaken for the venting of a lower orifice.

    Either way, releasing inflammatory views at this juncture is neither terribly intelligent or productive for anyone related to the situation (Mr Toomer falls in that category as a retired player, since they in turn have links and potential litigation going forward).

  79. nfl25 says: Apr 21, 2011 1:19 PM

    ckl,

    what a lot of player backers dont get is that we really dont hate the players. it kind of seems that way cuz its like “owner backers vs player backers” so we may take some jabs at them but most of us have no problem with the players other than the dumb things they say sometimes.

    the only problem i have wit the players is that i worry they get their way and ruin the game. other than that i am happy for them that they play pro ball and make tons of money. during this lockout it should be obvious to everyone that most players are not smart biz men or role models. you cant give people like that all the power in the game or u end up with the NBA.

  80. richm2256 says: Apr 21, 2011 1:20 PM

    bigperm33 says:
    Apr 21, 2011 11:38 AM
    The word choice was poor, but the point is still correct. Goodell from day one on the job has tried to be this tough, no nonsense bully. He makes decisions based on what he and only he thinks.

    ————————————————–

    And this is different from De Smith how???

    The Players Union has been every bit as bad as Goodell.

  81. mac3333 says: Apr 21, 2011 1:21 PM

    Toomer made the egregious mistake of invoking anything Nazi related. Once you compare something to the atrocity of the Nazi regime then you lose your audience, no matter how salient the point is.

    But remove the word Gestapo from his statement and you have a valid point. Goodell has reigned as Judge, Jury and Executioner for too long. His capricious decision making has brought this criticism on himself. By making judgements all on his own without any guidelines Goodell has opened himself up to this criticism. The players feel he wields too much power, and I agree with them. Goodell passes down judgement on his own accord. This leaves the players no real way for review as the appeals go directly to the NFL.

    There is a reason there are appellate courts and why we have separation of duties as it relates to Judges and Juries. Goodell does not have to abide by normal rules and he has no fear of reprisal as he answers to no one.

    Goodell has brought the criticism on himself by refusing to give up his ultimate power. The lack of transparency from the league office has put a very nasty taste in the players mouths. It would be sweet justice if the players held out at the end refusing to come back UNLESS Goodell is sent packing. Would the owners really hold that firm a line on Goodell or would they sacrifice him knowing they could chuck a stone and hit 100 other Lawyers who would turn tricks for the job.

    The players hold more power than they realize. I just hope they use it to their full advantage and send Marshall Goodell packing. (See, invoking Stalin gets the point across as well as invoking Hitler, without the negative backlash)

  82. garyln7 says: Apr 21, 2011 1:22 PM

    Amani Toomer is an idiot.

  83. elyasm says: Apr 21, 2011 1:33 PM

    @sigyoo
    I would hardly call losing a 1st round draft pick and $750,000 in fines for filming from an improper location a ‘slap on the wrist’.

    When Tagliabue took away the Broncos’ 3rd round draft pick because Shanahan skirted the salary cap in order to keep Elway and Terrell Davis on the team and went on to win two Super Bowls with them, now THAT was a slap on the wrist.

  84. dexterismyhero says: Apr 21, 2011 1:37 PM

    Sounds like Amani has a couple of other toomers floating around in his head.

  85. burntorangehorn says: Apr 21, 2011 1:40 PM

    Hurray for other people who immediately thought of Godwin’s Law.

    Godwin needs to add slavery and communism to his law, though.

  86. Deb says: Apr 21, 2011 1:40 PM

    Nothing about Goodell has changed since so many were complaining about him last season. You can still support the owners and think the players are idiots … but that’s no reason to suddenly decide Goodell is doing a good job when he’s not.

    1. He claims European expansion and season expansion are fan driven when they don’t appear to even have fan support.

    2. He alienates everyone with his dictatorial management style. (Like having people “detained” by rent-a-cops because they walked through a public hotel lobby during the combine.)

    3. He’s a businessman, not a football guy and seems to have trouble understanding unique aspects of this business.

    4. He gives lip service to head trauma, but instead of studying how best to address it, he throws out fines … which didn’t reduce head injuries. And under his watch, the league cut funding to paralysis research.

    5. He gives lip service to personal conduct but no punishment to arrested players Brandon Underwood or Vince Young.

    6. He gives lip service to the “integrity of the game” but has done nothing to address the crazy bad officiating that seems to get worse each year.

    But woo-hoo, the fields run pink in October (if you want to help, just give money–it’s not necessary to paint stadiums the color of Pepto Bismol). And half the time you can’t tell who’s playing because they’re all wearing retro uniforms that were restyled in the first place because they were so gosh-darn ugly.

    This guy really needs to go.

  87. bengalfannomatterwhat says: Apr 21, 2011 1:44 PM

    So he is a nazi for setting rules at safety and the image of the league. And he is lrading negotiation talks.

    I wonder if the ppl in nazi germany had gestapos aimed at their safety and negotiating a fair deal that helps both sides?

    Highly doubt it but what do I know

  88. tednancy says: Apr 21, 2011 1:56 PM

    mac333 says:

    “The players hold more power than they realize. I just hope they use it to their full advantage and send Marshall Goodell packing. (See, invoking Stalin gets the point across as well as invoking Hitler, without the negative backlash)”

    What the hell are you talking about? “Marshall” Stalin? What’s next, Benito Hitler? Mao Hirohito? Francisco Tito?

    I’m not sure what’s more laughable: your flimsy argument against Goodell or your assault on history?

  89. kd75 says: Apr 21, 2011 1:59 PM

    Gestapo was Mussolini, not Hitler. Nazis had the SS, not Gestapo, that’s Itallian.

  90. simplesimon1 says: Apr 21, 2011 2:07 PM

    To: Amani Toomer

    To reference the negotiations of the NFL to the NFLPA, a GAME, as on level with the attrocities of WWII by the Germans makes you the official turd of the year.

    There are reasons why you don’t simply fling around Hitler and associates in describing everyday things, even current warmongers you tend not to agree with or like.

    1) By doing so you completely discredit the sacrifice the allied forces had to make to stop Germany’s attrocities.
    2) By doing so you make light of the most brutal ethnic cleansing the World has ever seen and cheapen it’s memory, thus, completely diminishing what the Jews had to go through.
    3) By doing so we forget what happened in the past, we treat people differently as a result of our lack of knowledge, and we almost guarantee it occuring at some point again.

    Note to the players. Evertime you open your mouths you seem to put both feet firmly in.

  91. laeaglefan says: Apr 21, 2011 2:10 PM

    Toomer can get away with making stronger statements about Goodell that current players can, since he’s retired and there’s nothing that Goodell can do to him later.

  92. simplesimon1 says: Apr 21, 2011 2:15 PM

    I’m also, as a secondary thought on something, completely confused. I’ve seen a few comments on here exclaiming that the players are in the right. Well, I look at it like this.

    I think the players wanted this to go to litigation. When the owners offered their proposal before the lockout occurred, it was negotiable but the players wanted none of it. They have not disputed this fact. They had pre-empted to say no to anything the NFL offered.

    How do I know this. First, because aside from a couple aspects they got everything they wanted, and then some. In fact, the NFL even said the 18 game schedule was completely taken off the table, and would only be possible in the future with both sides voting yes. This has not been disputed.

    That’s why I don’t understand how they can be in the right. It’s like me asking my boss for a raise to $20/Hr, him saying I’ll do that plus give you an extra week of holidays, and I say, screw you. Doesn’t make much sense.

  93. mac3333 says: Apr 21, 2011 2:19 PM

    Tednancy:

    “What the hell are you talking about? “Marshall” Stalin? What’s next, Benito Hitler? Mao Hirohito? Francisco Tito?

    I’m not sure what’s more laughable: your flimsy argument against Goodell or your assault on history?”

    1) Its JOSEPH STALIN (If you mean FIRST NAME)

    2) Marshall is a title, like General Eisenhower. Hence MARSHALL STALIN ..

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,937135,00.html

    Count the references to “Marshall Stalin”.

    I will take Time Magazine’s account over some random comment from the PFT brigade …

    Now who’s grasp on history is “flimsy”?

  94. mac3333 says: Apr 21, 2011 2:23 PM

    It should read Marshal Stalin. I have erroneously added a extra “L”. So I apologize for my misspelling of his name, but the sentiment remains the same. So if you want to criticize me on a spelling error go ahead. It only proves you have no real critique other than cosmetic BS …

  95. tednancy says: Apr 21, 2011 2:24 PM

    kd75 says: Apr 21, 2011 1:59 PM

    Gestapo was Mussolini, not Hitler. Nazis had the SS, not Gestapo, that’s Itallian.
    ==============================

    Seriously?

  96. mac3333 says: Apr 21, 2011 2:26 PM

    “Gestapo was Mussolini, not Hitler. Nazis had the SS, not Gestapo, that’s Itallian.”

    Yeah, not so much …

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestapo

  97. kevsright says: Apr 21, 2011 2:32 PM

    First one goof compares playing a game and being paid millions for playing as slavery…

    Now, Tumor compares Goodell to the Nazi secret police?

    If any proof were needed that these drones never cracked a book, that question has been answered.

  98. tommyf15 says: Apr 21, 2011 2:39 PM

    “But Toomer’s comments go far beyond what any player has said about Goodell previously. It’s one thing for Derrick Mason to call Goodell a joke. It’s quite another for Toomer to liken Goodell to a Nazi.”

    Hitler had absolute power.

    When it comes to disciplining players, Goodell has absolute power.

  99. skoobyfl says: Apr 21, 2011 2:41 PM

    Der US Führer.

  100. tednancy says: Apr 21, 2011 2:41 PM

    mac333, the honorific you cite is “Marshal” not “Marshall.” Moreover, Stalin had many titles, and yes, Marshal was one of them. However, I think we both know that nobody ever refers to Stalin as “Marshal.”

    Nice job digging up a bizarre link that may or may not even be legitimate purporting to be a Time Mag. article from 1955, which also appears to be a translation.

    I still think you mixed-up Joseph Stalin with Marshal Tito. Your quest to manufacture an excuse notwithstanding. Do you also call George Washington “General Washington?”

  101. thefiesty1 says: Apr 21, 2011 2:47 PM

    Another player mouthing off without a clue. They screwed themselves and are only trying to save face. so just shut up and beg the league to please let’s us play and then keep your mouth shut.

  102. ezwriter69 says: Apr 21, 2011 2:51 PM

    So you keep working for the Gestapo, because the money’s good? That says a WHOLE lot more about you than about Goodell…. have some pride, man, you’re working for the Gestapo because they pay you? Clearly we know how you’d have reacted had you REALLY been around during the days of the Gestapo, anything goes, I’ll do anything, work for anyone, just pay me…
    I’ll say it again, if I can get it in without being censored, when you work for the Gestapo, for someone who treats you like a slave, and you keep cashing those checks, that makes you a bleep for hire, a working girl, a whoooore, a slimeball who’s demonstrated to the world they’ll do ANYTHING for money.

  103. mac3333 says: Apr 21, 2011 2:52 PM

    I know exactly who Marshal Stalin was.

    It was fresh in my mind because they refer to him as that in “The Kings Speech”, which I just watched. It was a continuity problem in the movie because the refer to him as “Marshal” before he was named that rank in the Red Army.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1504320/goofs

    Anachronisms: In the conversation with Bertie after delivering the Christmas proclamation, King George V refers to Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin as “Marshal Stalin”. In reality, Stalin was awarded the title of “Marshal of the Soviet Union” in March 1943 after the conclusion of the Battle of Stalingrad and more than 7 years after the death of George V.

    So yeah, I KNOW what I am talking about. So I apologize for the spelling error. But if that’s all you have then you have nothing …

  104. puntpasskick says: Apr 21, 2011 3:02 PM

    airraid77 says:
    Apr 21, 2011 11:05 AM

    its the players that are using the nuclear weapon…not the owners.
    Its the players that went to litigation. NoT THE OWNERS.
    ITs the players that wont negotiate, NOT THE OWNERS.

    ———————————————-

    What would’ve been a better alternative for you, *ahem* the players; have the owners bend them over just for the sake of football?

    – It the owners that opted out of a CBA that they agreed to in the first place, and it’s not the players responsibility to appease the owners by agreeing to give up an extra billion dollars.

    – It’s the owners that were proven in federal court to have set up a “lockout chest” from TV contract money, not the players.

    – It’s the players who worked with the owners in the week of March 11th ( three or four days before, and before the owners committee halted negotiations ) to shrink the gap from $ 1 billion to $ 700 milion.

    -It’s the owners who offered a laughable ‘last effort” proposal that was only $50 million dollars ( the final demand was $ 650 million) less than what was negotiated earlier in the week.

    It was only applauded for its minor details ( that would’ve been agreed to anyway if the money was right ) and that’s what the NFL wants you to believe, that it was so good that the players are “bad guys” for turning it down.

  105. yahmule says: Apr 21, 2011 3:07 PM

    Toomer should be ashamed of himself for stealing Glenn Beck’s schtick.

  106. bluefan204 says: Apr 21, 2011 3:07 PM

    Stupid, stupid thing to say. I do, however, agree with Amani in the aspect that Goodell does seem to like wielding his power aimlessly. He sticks his nose where it doesn’t belong all the time. I don’t blame the players for not liking him. I can’t stand the guy myself.

  107. melikefootball says: Apr 21, 2011 3:35 PM

    Players like Toomer that wags his lips in this manner is why many fans ask–These guys went to College??

  108. ubummer says: Apr 21, 2011 3:39 PM

    He didn’t mean Gestapo, he meant gazpacho, one of those South American cowboy guys.

    Those aren’t gazpachos, those are gauchos.

    I thought gaucho was one of the Marx brothers.

    You mean like Lenin?

    No, he was one of the Beatles, the one that got shot.

    Wait, what was the question again?

  109. frankvzappa says: Apr 21, 2011 3:57 PM

    i wonder what he would think of David Stern

  110. granadafan says: Apr 21, 2011 4:13 PM

    Adrian Peterson thanks the stars that Toomer came out and made an even more stupid comment than he did.

    This is why the owners are winning the war in the court of public opinion. They have said very little and are used to orders by their negogiators/ lawyers to keep their mouths shut because they’ve been in the business world. There are only 32 owners to keep track of by the owner’s negotiators while there are thousands of players to to deal with, most of whom have little education and can barely form two sentences.

  111. sigmanuob163 says: Apr 21, 2011 4:33 PM

    If the players want to make the money the owners make have them go to school, get educated, take the risk and start a business or multiple business then take a leap of faith and buy a franchise. The players are employees…..if they dont like the deal they are getting find another job. Its the owners that are taking 100 percent of the risk…..NOT the players.

  112. cmstrick says: Apr 21, 2011 4:42 PM

    niceh11 said: Apr 21, 2011 12:16 PM

    Toomer went to Michigan–I’m sure he’s more intelligant than 80% of you clowns.
    ___________________________

    Post of the year!

    Thanks. Best laugh I’ve had in weeks!

  113. steverkasi says: Apr 21, 2011 5:28 PM

    This is simply disgusting. Maybe Mr. Toomer should talk to some Jews who survived the nazi times to get things in perspective. I can’t believe i read this comparison.

  114. trajanthe1st says: Apr 21, 2011 5:38 PM

    I wonder if idiot Tommer even knows if the Gestapo were used during World War One or Two. He doesn’t strike me as the history scholar type.

    He does strike me as over paid , under educated moron that would be working at the car wash if he wasn’t playing football.

  115. trajanthe1st says: Apr 21, 2011 5:42 PM

    niceh11 said: Apr 21, 2011 12:16 PM

    Toomer went to Michigan–I’m sure he’s more intelligant than 80% of you clowns.
    ___________________________
    I guess you went to Michigan along with him. Its apparent, that Toomer is not a history major and you can’t spell worth a f###k!
    If you are going to insult someones intelligence, it helps if you spell it right.

    Tool!

  116. t1mmy10 says: Apr 21, 2011 5:50 PM

    ” we’re treated like slaves,” “goodell runs the league like a he’s a nazi.”

    What they should really be saying: “life is too hard making millions for playing a game.” These “tough” pros sound like melodramatic teenagers, and its disgusting that they are serious enough about their comments to show that they have absolutely no understanding of hardships others (past or present) have faced.

  117. Deb says: Apr 21, 2011 6:17 PM

    @simplesimon1 …

    Where did you get that the players got everything they wanted? The owners currently receive $1 billion off the top of the revenue pie to cover expenses before the pie is divided between owners and players. The owners’ chief reason for opting out of the current CBA was because they want an additional billion off the top before revenues are divided. That wasn’t even addressed in the last offer made prior to decertification.

    The 18-game season and other issues were just a smokescreen thrown up during the season to distract the general public from the pertinent point that the owners were trying to skim an additional billion from the revenues. That way, they could “give” on those areas and people would think they’d been oh soooo generous. Obviously it worked.

  118. commandercornpone says: Apr 21, 2011 6:45 PM

    truthfully, amani, if that is the way your name is supposed to be spelled and pronounced (Rs are free in wheel fo fortune, btw)…

    the fact you exist here and are allowed to talk at all undercuts your whole point.

  119. goldsteel says: Apr 21, 2011 8:04 PM

    Despite the insightful historical lessons here, the point of Toomer’s overreaching remark is there is an unpleasant climate developing between the players and the Commissioner.

    To me Toomer gives the Commissioner too much credit in the process. Goodell works for the owners. Goodell represents how the owners wish to be seen. In short, look good and make stupid decisions.

    Mr. Rooney, why did you fight so hard (5 votes) to make Goodell the Commissioner? Goodell is without a doubt the most anti-Steelers commissioner in the history of the NFL.

  120. bluefan204 says: Apr 21, 2011 9:34 PM

    trajanthe1st says: Apr 21, 2011 5:42 PM

    If you are going to insult someones intelligence, it helps if you spell it right.

    It also helps if you at least try not to omit Grammatical pieces of the sentence when you insult someones’ intelligence for insulting someone elses’ intelligence.

    “He does strike me as over paid , under educated moron”

    Sound familiar? And it’s TOOMER, not TOMMER, ya schmuck.

  121. doe22us says: Apr 22, 2011 12:25 AM

    Imagine if Goodell didnt put the hammer down these guys will be running haywire,,, no problem with his heavy handed approach here. If you cant abide by basic rules of society, then you deserve all the punishment you can get

  122. goatpudding says: Apr 22, 2011 10:38 AM

    Wasn’t it one player that made the slavery comment out of 1500+ players? wasn’t it one player that has now made a Gestapo comparison? And yet so many of these comments act like it’s something we’re being fed intravenously 24/7. We all want football this season, but there’s really no right or wrong side to this from the fan’s perspective. We all lose. We are just buying into one side or the other in order to vilify and thus vent our frustrations. Don’t play this game. It was only one owner that though Drew Brees and Peyton Manning were incapable of understanding a financial document. To say that all owners are that disrespectful would also be a stretch. Just let them sling their mud at one another. The less people that pay attention, the quicker this may all be resolved. My two cents.

  123. jennstergersburnedretinas says: Apr 22, 2011 10:52 AM

    @ DEB

    Can you please stop being a shill for the players? At least take a look at the other side and realize that both sides are killing the game. Seriously, you post intelligent and insightful comments on a football BLOG all the time, you’re smart enough to know that this isn’t a one way street.

  124. Deb says: Apr 22, 2011 11:42 AM

    @jennstergersburnedretinas …

    Thank you for the positive comments in your criticism. Although I support the players overall, I agree they’ve made major mistakes in their handling of the situation. De Smith is an accomplished attorney (despite his Huggy Bear vocabulary), so comments portraying him as stupid couldn’t be further from the truth. But he’s always struck me as antagonistic.

    Litigators enjoy litigating–it’s what they’re best at. But Smith always seemed to be salivating for a court battle, and his rhetoric isn’t helpful. A less dramatic personality may have been able to work out a deal without taking it this far. I’m convinced the rank-and-file never wanted a league without rules or a draft, and that Brady and Manning allowed their names to be attached to the suit because the leadership convinced them their “wattage” was good for the cause. Few players fully understood the leadership’s strategy and are now wondering how they got themselves into this antitrust quagmire that’s threatening the league as they know it.

    Unfortunately, De Smith on the players’ side and Goodell/the lockout on the owners’ side have created so much bad blood, all they seem willing to do is argue about the bad blood. I don’t know the answer, but you’re right … there’s plenty of blame to go around.

  125. theebighaus says: Apr 22, 2011 3:43 PM

    “I didn’t fully understand the meaning of what I said..”
    Oh Amani. Thanks for reminding me of a great Mark Twain quote, “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt”.

  126. peanutbutter&jelly says: Apr 22, 2011 11:11 PM

    this is just another example of a player or in this case former player running off at the mouth like so many others and i bet they sit around wondering why so many fans are for the owners on this issue.the players & former players are killing themselfs in the court of public opinion they really should just shut up because the more of them that talk the more we understand how much they don’t know and we also wonder how these people ever made it to college let alone finnish.

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