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Schefter: Dalton, Ponder both likely to go in first round

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PFT’s Mike Florio reported late Wednesday that the Cincinnati Bengals will be working out two quarterbacks in Texas on Friday: Christian Ponder of Florida State and Andy Dalton of TCU.

Just reading the tea leaves, the Bengals’ draft strategy — based on the two “eleventh hour” workouts — is to select Georgia receiver A.J. Green with the fourth overall pick and pray Dalton or Ponder falls to their second-rounder at No. 35.

The second part probably won’t happen, according to ESPN’s Adam Schefter.

“It doesn’t look like either Christian Ponder or Andy Dalton,” Schefter said on SportsCenter Thursday, “is going to make it into the second round.”

Let’s assume the Bengals stick to the first portion of their apparent strategy. They’ll probably have to trade back into the first round for a quarterback. a costly proposition that will require multiple draft picks that otherwise could be used to fill Cincinnati’s numerous holes on defense.

The logic of drafting a receiver before a quarterback is obviously flawed, particularly when the biggest weakness on the roster is the most important position in pro sports. But Bengals owner Mike Brown is still holding out hope that Carson Palmer changes his mind about retirement.

It’s going to hurt when he doesn’t.

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29 Responses to “Schefter: Dalton, Ponder both likely to go in first round”
  1. pftard says: Apr 21, 2011 4:11 PM

    How sweet would it be to see the Bengals trading back into the first round w/ draft pics to the Ravens, who both Mayock and Helmet-hair Mel Kiper said should trade out of the first round?

  2. hedden93 says: Apr 21, 2011 4:12 PM

    5 years from now I think Ponder will be considered the best QB from this draft.

  3. frostbelt says: Apr 21, 2011 4:20 PM

    Carson has sucked for the Bengals the past few years… I prefer they move on to be honest. Start fresh and build up from the draft!

    They need something new to get past the Ravens and Steelers

  4. goawayeverybody says: Apr 21, 2011 4:23 PM

    There will be only three quartebacks in the first round: Newton, Gabbert, and one other, probably Mallett.

  5. rc33 says: Apr 21, 2011 4:23 PM

    Can’t help but think that Belichick, with those 17th and 28th picks, and the way he typically approaches the draft, will fleece somebody looking for QB help.
    The potential for no free agency this season is making teams with Quarterbacking needs desperate.
    Great draft to be a second-tier QB prospect.

  6. Kaz says: Apr 21, 2011 4:24 PM

    No it isn’t. The one person we can trust not to be foolish enough to trade the farm to get back in the first for qb’s that many had as 3rd/4th round picks 3 months ago is Mike Brown. Not because he doesn’t beleive they are good, but because he cherishes his picks.

    Possibly 6 qb’s supposedly going in the first round after people (scouts and pundits) claimed there was no franchise QB’s after luck declared (or didn’t) and that this was the worst QB class in years should be remembered. I certainly hope Mike Brown does.

  7. brutus9448 says: Apr 21, 2011 4:25 PM

    well if they draft aj green the chances of palmer coming back are more than if they draft ponder

  8. berniemadoffsides says: Apr 21, 2011 4:26 PM

    After Jax @ #16, the Seahawks are really the only threat to take a QB in the 1st. I don’t agree with Schefter’s opinion here at all.

  9. bsizemore68 says: Apr 21, 2011 4:27 PM

    Its his team and money, I wonder how long the fans will support this team. Bill

  10. nowathand twitter.com/Chris_M_Bach says: Apr 21, 2011 4:29 PM

    I’ve been saying for over a week now that if you listen to what Leslie Frazier’s all about – leadership and dedication – that he has been won over by Christian Ponder.

    Ponder reminds me of Drew Brees and actually – I believe – has more arm strength than Brees and throws better on the run. I’m not saying he’ll have a better career than Drew Brees but he could be the best QB of this class (I still have Gabbert ahead of him and Newton just behind him as one tier) if he ends up with the right offense, like Drew did in New Orleans.

    Carson Palmer has $80 million reasons not to come back to the Bengals.

  11. profootballwalk says: Apr 21, 2011 4:34 PM

    Belichick in his bunker, deep below Gillette Stadium:
    “Muahahaha!”

  12. We'reFineThere says: Apr 21, 2011 4:43 PM

    FREE KOLB

  13. shackdelrio says: Apr 21, 2011 4:51 PM

    Can anybody look at that picture and seriously not think Dalton = Brad Johnson 2.0?

  14. diehard82 says: Apr 21, 2011 4:55 PM

    With Seahawks the only real threat to take a QB after Jacksonville at 16, the best way to ensure you get the QB you want is to trade with them, not after them, taking the chance that they select the guy you want. The good news is that Seattle will probably be willing to discount heavily, so Cincy could probably move from 35 to 25 for only a 4th and 5th rounder, retaining their 3rd. Or simply swapping their 3rd (66) for Seattles 4th (99).

  15. thereisalwaysnextyear says: Apr 21, 2011 4:59 PM

    “The logic of drafting a receiver before a quarterback is obviously flawed”

    You sound pretty sure, but they are the ones making football decisions for a living. If they can get the WR they want and a qb they like(and maybe think is more ready to play right away) why not draft the top WR first and the QB you like later? PFT I guess assumes everyone likes Newton. I’d take Ponder every time over Newton. You might not get the flash, but I don’t think Ponder is capable of being a bust. Just my opinion. I sure hope the Skins can get Ponder.

  16. ampats says: Apr 21, 2011 5:00 PM

    The Patriots 28th pick will be traded for a QB needy team.

    Now watch the Patriots select Ingram with that pick.

  17. thevillain112 says: Apr 21, 2011 5:20 PM

    “The logic of drafting a receiver before a quarterback is obviously flawed”

    Calvin Johnson before Matt Stafford
    Roddy White before Matt Ryan
    Andre Johnson before Matt Schaub
    Larry Fitzgerald before Kurt Warner (Granted he wasn’t young)

    Need I go on?

    You throw on young QB into the Bengals lineup and he will get chewed up by the AFCN defenses (Similar to David Carr in Houston).

    You get a WR of AJ Green’s caliber and that young QB at least has a chance to succeed. It’s not like he’s walking into the Rams situation with the NFC West…

  18. docredskin says: Apr 21, 2011 5:26 PM

    Nothing means anything this time of year. We all forget that every year because we’re all so ready for any football-related news come spring. I think Dalton will have the best career of all the QB’s based on what I saw on the field, not by Todd McShay saying his stock rose two weeks ago.

  19. thefiesty1 says: Apr 21, 2011 5:36 PM

    Good for Andy, but I hope he’s still there for the Colts to get him in the second. They need defensive help and an OT first and won’t spend a first for Dalton to back up Manning. Then they’ll be screwed without a franchise QB in a couple of years when Manning hangs ‘em up.

  20. thehighhat says: Apr 21, 2011 5:42 PM

    Schefter is just spreading rumors for the teams that want to trade out of the end of the first round.

  21. cbusmike75 says: Apr 21, 2011 5:47 PM

    There is no way the Bungals don’t screw the pooch and NOT pick $cam Newton with the #4 pick. By working out these QB’s the coaching staff is desperately trying to get Mikey Boy Brown to see that there is sunshine after the rain of his tears if the Panthers set themselves back even further and draft $cam first. They’ll probably pick Green or that horrible kid with the degenerative knee condition from Clemson. There is no way they trade back into the 1st-round by giving up picks when Mikey Boy cherishes those picks to pluck cheap, questionable character guys he can pay less to fill holes and shoe-sting a team together. Besides, there is always going to be a time to sign available “talent” the likes of Neil O’Donnel, Scott Mitchell, Gus Frerotte, Shane Mathews…which always worked out for Mikey Boy in the past.

  22. ryanclark25 says: Apr 21, 2011 6:00 PM

    @ diehard82

    according to the draft chart your suggestion makes sense with them getting the 2nd 4th 5th (its only behind the value of the 25th by 25 points which is nothing) but i think carroll and the G.M would want to be on drugs to do it…..at 35 they potentially miss their shot at a qb they like due to the panic buttons getting pressed the second a qb not named gabbert or newton goes off the board, and at 25 guys in positions of need like jimmy smith at cb and almost certainly brandon harris aaron williams, any of the offensive linemen bar smith and pouncey, and at least one faller from the talented DE class will all quite likely be on the board for them to take….if i was a hawks fan I’d be much much happier to stay put rather than risk 5-6 prospects for the sake of an extra 4th 5th

  23. bigtrav425 says: Apr 21, 2011 7:40 PM

    No way they both go in the first round unless these teams panic for some reason even then id be shocked

  24. hitdog042 says: Apr 21, 2011 8:21 PM

    The Bengals should not take a qb at 4 no matter what. When you pick that high in this draft there’s too much risk with qbs. The Bengals do not want to draft a guy and pay him a ton if he’s not that much different than the 4 qbs after him.

    Therefore they are smart not taking a qb and taking the 2nd round risk that they all may be gone.

    AJ Green is the right pick. The guy is almost a sure thing.

    Eventually this lockout will be over and trades will happen. They will get a shot at a qb one way or another.

    If not they are still better off with Green than a qb who doesn’t pan out.

  25. whatswiththehate says: Apr 21, 2011 9:56 PM

    thereisalwaysnextyear says:
    Apr 21, 2011 4:59 PM
    “PFT I guess assumes everyone likes Newton.”
    ——————————
    I guess you must be confusing the sports media placing Cam’s name in almost every negative spinned article so folks can respond the same ask “liking” him. Maybe it’s your blind hate for him that is clouding your vision.

  26. whatswiththehate says: Apr 21, 2011 10:06 PM

    cbusmike75 says:
    Apr 21, 2011 5:47 PM
    There is no way the Bungals don’t screw the pooch and NOT pick $cam Newton with the #4 pick. By working out these QB’s the coaching staff is desperately trying to get Mikey Boy Brown to see that there is sunshine after the rain of his tears if the Panthers set themselves back even further and draft $cam first. They’ll probably pick Green or that horrible kid with the degenerative knee condition from Clemson. There is no way they trade back into the 1st-round by giving up picks when Mikey Boy cherishes those picks to pluck cheap, questionable character guys he can pay less to fill holes and shoe-sting a team together. Besides, there is always going to be a time to sign available “talent” the likes of Neil O’Donnel, Scott Mitchell, Gus Frerotte, Shane Mathews…which always worked out for Mikey Boy in the past.
    ————————-
    Yeah, guys with “questionable character” ain’t given a chance to grow up like those others who do immature stuff like sit on a woman’s face while she’s examining him while he’s in college. Nope, we don’t give guys like Cam a second chance but we damn sure give it easily to the Peyton Mannings of the world.

  27. shaggytoodle says: Apr 21, 2011 10:52 PM

    Round 2 talent usually becomes late first round busts when teams try to trade back and get a guy they like.

    Browns-Quinn
    Bills-Losman
    Bears-Grossman
    Redskins-Cambell

  28. tatum064 says: Apr 22, 2011 8:27 AM

    hedden93 says: Apr 21, 2011 4:12 PM

    5 years from now I think Ponder will be considered the best QB from this draft.
    ===========================
    or he’ll be Chad Pennington 2.0 …may get you into a playoffs, then eventually get hurt trying to do too much to overcompensate for a weak arm…

  29. darktick says: Apr 22, 2011 11:19 AM

    Newton is a joke! A liar,cheater,and thief! Anybody that chooses him will be sorry they did! First off let’s look at QB like him that was before him Vince young how has his great NFL career been? Both Vick brothers really what have they done??? Newton will be another big NCAA football big head thinking his sh!t don’t stink and he is untouchable till he falls flat on his face and all you stupid Auburn and Newton fans will turn on him and say I knew that was going happen! Grow up and see the truth about him he is not that good. Oregan’s D pretty much stopped him he was putting numbers up like he did to other sec teams. Auburn and Newton was just plan lucky to championship. The school will be on suspension or probation for years to come after this and national title taken away.

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