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Ted Thompson on the draft: Most people don’t know what they’re talking about

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There’s a cottage industry of experts on the NFL draft at this time of year who are only too happy to pontificate on every player’s strengths and every team’s needs.

The general manager of this year’s Super Bowl winner suggests you not listen to those experts.

“There’s a lot of interest in the draft,” Green Bay General Manager Ted Thompson said, via Peter King’s Monday Morning Quarterback. “It’s great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don’t know anything about what they are talking about.”

Thompson may be right, but the funny thing is that it’s not just most of the people commenting on the draft who don’t know what they’re doing: It’s many of the people conducting the draft, too. It’s not the experts who made JaMarcus Russell the first overall pick or Tom Brady a sixth-round pick, it was NFL general managers.

And it wasn’t a draft expert who took Justin Harrell in the first round in 2007. It was Thompson.

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  1. huskerguy says: Apr 25, 2011 7:46 AM

    “And it wasn’t a draft expert who took Justin Harrell in the first round in 2007. It was Thompson.”

    True… but that expert also won the Super Bowl. Not every pick pans out but a good GM knows how to fix it.

  2. thereisalwaysnextyear says: Apr 25, 2011 7:51 AM

    Yeh well at least Thompson is getting paid to make those picks and has won a Super Bowl. He’s not just getting paid to talk/write, but he has accountablility. Careful throwing those rocks back in his direction.

  3. rawsmoove says: Apr 25, 2011 7:55 AM

    Thats an epic Fail, Boom. Roasted

  4. krow101 says: Apr 25, 2011 7:57 AM

    You could build a mountain out of all the high picks these NFL GMs have blown over the years. They’re nothing special on the draft either.

    And please, don’t blame all the draft hype on these so-called ‘cottage industry’ experts. They made it the media event it is today… the one the NFL is now mercilessly pimping.

  5. tv426 says: Apr 25, 2011 8:11 AM

    Don’t make the mistake of thinking that because a team one a SB the GM is some sort of guru in personnel evaluation. EVERY team takes part in the annual crap shoot that is the NFL Draft. You can measure people all you want but how they respond at the next level is as big a mystery as there is. So the article is correct in that event the GMs don’t know much, due solely to the “human element” involved with each individual drafted.

  6. joetoronto says: Apr 25, 2011 8:12 AM

    TT, the latest “genius”.

    You can put him up there with past geniuses, like Brian Billick.

  7. jimr10 says: Apr 25, 2011 8:12 AM

    And, Justin has been injured almost the entire time. Not an excuse. Just a fact.

  8. ilpackerbacker says: Apr 25, 2011 8:13 AM

    All of the Ted/Mike/Aaron non-supporters from August of 2008 can go suck it. Justice was served. No one gives two craps about Justin Harrell. Every GM bombs once in a while.

    Ted Thompson rules. Hope Favre learned his lesson … not a good idea to bite the hand that feeds you. You lose.

  9. misterunderhill says: Apr 25, 2011 8:14 AM

    A little defensive perhaps Michael? Ted Thompson is spot on, and your anecdotal evidence of Justin Harrell and Tom Brady provides jack for insight. Try again – but this time, perhaps pause for a moment to consider the depth of your response.

  10. CKL says: Apr 25, 2011 8:15 AM

    There’s no context for that quote in PK’s column but one could also interpret it as meaning “talking heads don’t know what teams are actually thinking and how they judge/rate guys” and not so much “talking heads are morons who don’t know anything about drafting players”.

    As for PK’s Harrell comment, even people who are great at stuff eff up from time to time. It doesn’t mean they didn’t do their due diligence or know what they wanted. When it comes to evaluating human beings and their skills and how they will fit in a totally different atmosphere (and in the NFL, scheme), there are many variables. There’s a difference in evaluating someone wrong because you ignored gigantic warning signs (i.e. JaMarcus Russell et al) and a guy just not working out when you pick them but you did a good job evaluating and he failed for unforseen reasons.

    Of course sometimes they just plain eff up too. Fall in love with the wrong quality (athleticism, Combine #s etc.) My guess is that it’s usually because they minimize some concern or another that they shouldn’t have or overrate something they shouldn’t have.

  11. gophersnot says: Apr 25, 2011 8:17 AM

    The best part of this article: it was aimed directly at Jimmy.

  12. baronvonmonocle says: Apr 25, 2011 8:25 AM

    A little oversensitive, are we? Or is this the beginning of the usual gang up on anyone critical of the media?

  13. harmcityhomer says: Apr 25, 2011 8:36 AM

    Even the experts are making educated guesses and gambles. I love reading mocks and a variety of opinion about prospects, but sometimes the level of certainty people use bothers me. No one really knows what a prospect will do.

  14. balzosteel says: Apr 25, 2011 8:40 AM

    Ted Thompson is the truth. There really is nothing anybody can comment negatively towards him, because he is right AND he composed more than 90% of the team that won a Super Bowl. Nothing much more to say on the man or this matter – let’s move along shall we?

  15. rudedog36 says: Apr 25, 2011 8:41 AM

    I read something recently that thompson has drafted 50 some odd players, and 30 or so are still with the team. Freeking awesome.

    Im sure all of the other 31 teams have never picked a player that didnt work out.

    Pretty sure he knows what he’s doing.

  16. Packernet says: Apr 25, 2011 8:41 AM

    Funny how you pick Harrell for your example. Not Aaron Rodgers, not A.J. Hawk, not B.J. Raji, not Clay Matthews. Thompson must know something – he’s wearing a Super Bowl ring.

  17. packattack1967 says: Apr 25, 2011 8:42 AM

    ding ding ding. The most overrated event in all of sports. The biggest crap shoot also. Look at any first round in history. 1/3 are busts, 1/3 are serviceable, 1/3 have probowl type careers.

  18. pleasantsurpriselefty says: Apr 25, 2011 8:47 AM

    No fair taking a shot at Matt Millen since he is no longer a GM. Picking on the over matched does not reflect well on your upbringing.

  19. clintonportisheadd says: Apr 25, 2011 8:50 AM

    Packernet says: Apr 25, 2011 8:41 AM

    Funny how you pick Harrell for your example.

    ============

    He didn’t-Peter King did in the article he was referencing. He just “borrowed” it from him.

  20. jimmysee says: Apr 25, 2011 8:56 AM

    I figure Ted made up for the Harrell pick when he signed Howard Green off the waiver scrap heap after Howard was dumped by the Jets.

    Personnel is a moving train. One pick – success or failure — does not define the GM.

  21. papapreacher says: Apr 25, 2011 8:58 AM

    Don’t know if it helps, but here is the full quote from Thompson.

    On if all the so-called draft experts affect him: “It doesn’t. We don’t keep score in April. If guys turn out to be good players, then we did our job. If a guy comes in, and he’s not a good player or (doesn’t) contribute, then we haven’t done our jobs. I think the fans understand that. There’s a lot of interest in the draft. I think that’s great. Quite frankly, most of the people who are commenting on it don’t know anything about what they’re talking about because I’m supposed to know a lot, and I don’t know all the stuff those guys know.”

  22. JimmySmith says: Apr 25, 2011 9:08 AM

    There isn’t a GM that’s perfect, Thompson just happens to be better than most. Furthermore, Thompson sticks to his system come hell or highwater and his roster has been either the youngest or in the top 5 youngest for the past 4 years so as the collective roster improves, so does the team.

    For the jealous Viking fans taking a cheap shot swipe at Thompson for drafting a bust like Harrell, stop by sometime and see what a trophy case really looks like.

    Losers.

  23. axespray says: Apr 25, 2011 9:16 AM

    “And it wasn’t a draft expert who took Justin Harrell in the first round in 2007. It was Thompson.”

    Got any Terrence Murphy jokes while you’re at it?

  24. pacstud says: Apr 25, 2011 9:20 AM

    So if a GM misses, he’s no better than a blogger?

    Not really sound logic there kiddo :(

  25. dramah says: Apr 25, 2011 9:29 AM

    Use the entire quote… He’s pointing out the inaccuracies across the board, from ‘industry experts’ to GM’s, which I agree with. Stop dissecting quotes to find fragments you can pretend to be offended by…oh, wait…that’s the only way to get readers…

  26. gbpackerfan says: Apr 25, 2011 9:41 AM

    When you quote someone, don’t take it out of context. Quote the WHOLE thing!

    Here’s Thompson’s whole sentence.

    “Quite frankly, most of the people who are commenting on it don’t know anything about what they’re talking about because I’m supposed to know a lot, and I don’t know all the stuff those guys know.”

  27. nflguru12 says: Apr 25, 2011 9:50 AM

    5 Years, 2 NFC Championship games, and a Super Bowl.

    Anybody else want to question the Favre decision?

    Thompson is spot on, half of you clowns have no idea what your talking about.

  28. packattack1967 says: Apr 25, 2011 9:53 AM

    @Michael David Smith do we REALLY need another blogger taking cheap shots at TT or any other GM for draft busts? There is more written on that subject than any other in sports I can think of. Try to contribute something here we dont see on every team forum in the world.

    Thanks, the readers

  29. gregjennings85 says: Apr 25, 2011 10:01 AM

    Yeah, nice call, Mike.

    Not everyone can be as big of a ‘DOer’ as you, and write about what they’d do, for a living.

    You say: Justin Harrell (1st). Heck, add Brian Brohm (2nd), Pat Lee (2nd) and Terrence Murphy (2nd – shortened career – spinal chord narrowing) to the mix.

    I’ll go ahead and throw out: Aaron Rodgers (1st), BJ Raji (1st), Clay Matthews (1st), Brian Bulaga (1st), Greg Jennings (2nd), Nick Collins (2nd), Jordy Nelson (2nd), James Jones (3rd), Jermichael Finley (3rd), Josh Sitton (4th), Johnny Jolly (6th), James Starks (6th), Desmond Bishop (6th), Matt Flynn (7th).

    Waiting on you, MJD…

  30. cusoman says: Apr 25, 2011 10:06 AM

    JimmySmith – I challenge you to once, just once, to post on this site without mentioning the Vikings.

    Anyway, what gbpackerfan said there is true, the full quote changes the entire tune of this article and makes this a non-story. Leave it be and get off TT’s case.

  31. pftmz says: Apr 25, 2011 10:09 AM

    I didn’t read all the comments, so i beg your pardon if the obvious has already been explained.

    Let’s look at that 2007 draft again. Harrel, B. Jackson, James Jones, Then back to back to back picks in the 6th round, 2 from trades, Korey Hall, Desmond Bishop; Thompson traded down 7 spots in the 4th and picked up this pick along with it. Then Desmond crushes the Steeler Championship hopes with a beautiful fumble recovery. Then Thompson picked Mason Crosby 1 pick after that.

    Back to back to back Superbowl Champions in the 6th round.

    2007 was also Brett’s final season, They were in the NFC championship game that year too.

    Thompson is better at his job than I am at mine. And I think the same applies to some other folks as well.

  32. bombacim says: Apr 25, 2011 10:11 AM

    You hilarious Packer fans. After Thompson traded Favre away because he knew he had a better future with Rodgers you called for his head. Yet he knew better.

    When he drafted Harrel, you called for his head again. Aj Hawk -as a 5th overall pick, Thompson was way off.

    Now you have become hypocrites.

    Rest assured Harrel was a horrible pick and you should own up to it. And you were wrong about the Brett Favre move and again you should own up to it. The fact is these “experts” get about as many picks right as the GM’s of these teams. And Thompson has proved to be no different than the “experts”.

  33. billsfan1 says: Apr 25, 2011 10:22 AM

    as a 34 year old bills fan, i have seen the good in drafting (late 80s and 90s) and the bad (2000’s plus – lol)… the fact is even the great evaluators miss…. take Mike Williams, the texas tackle from 2002. Cant miss prospect and generally considered a future pro bowler…. The Bills were given mad props for that pick…. That being said, all the research in the world cant always check for a persons heart once they cash that rookie deal in…..Was he a bust, HELL YES! but u cant always predict the heart of a player….
    As far as i can tell, the Packers have drafted well over the years and TT should get much credit……

  34. mtpack says: Apr 25, 2011 10:37 AM

    Dave is obviously butthurt. 1 really bad pick in the last seven years. How about the Collins pick in round 2 that he collectively got a “reaching” tag for? Bishop in 5, Jennings in 2 and so on. There was about 2 or 3 guys who Ted didn’t draft or bring in off the street that helped win the whole thing this year. To suggest TT knows as much as the so called “experts” is laughable . This is very reactionary, pretty lame, David.

  35. thephantomstranger says: Apr 25, 2011 10:48 AM

    Packernet says:
    Apr 25, 2011 8:41 AM
    Funny how you pick Harrell for your example. Not Aaron Rodgers, not A.J. Hawk, not B.J. Raji, not Clay Matthews. Thompson must know something – he’s wearing a Super Bowl ring.
    __________________

    Again with the A.J. Hawk love. He’s an average linebacker and wasn’t worth the 5th overall pick.

  36. kennyrogerschicken says: Apr 25, 2011 11:00 AM

    bombacin-

    How many Packer fans make up this group you’re claiming are hypocrites? Just curious if I’m the only one who was happy Favre was traded and Rodgers got the job. Pretty sure I’m not the only one, but maybe you’re right and I’m a trend setter. Feel free to back your claims, moron.

  37. butch815 says: Apr 25, 2011 11:02 AM

    Wasn’t it Thompson who straightened out the Seahawks and the person most responsible for getting the them to the playoffs?

  38. buckybadger says: Apr 25, 2011 11:37 AM

    Ted Thompson is one of those guys who could care less what anyone thinks about his work. Hopefully he keeps on keeping on now that he has had success. I used to wonder what the hell he was thinking. Taking guys in the 2nd round from small schools like Jennings and Collins but I stopped complaining because I got tired of being wrong all the time.

    For the record I was against the Harrell pick because of the injuries but I was also against other picks that turned out great. Can’t just pick one and make a case out of it.

  39. bender4700 says: Apr 25, 2011 11:45 AM

    To avoid having to be hear about how average college QB who started out 7th on the depth chart was drafted at the RIGHT spot, I will have the TV on mute. And because talking heads talk so much they forget what they say.

    Can the sports world STOP acting like Tom Brady who was kind of awkward, slow, and very average being drafted in the 6th round is so terrible?

    JaMarcus Russel has/had all the talent one would want in a QB, his lack of motivation is not something anyone could predict. Plus he was drafted by the Raiders. Who would say anyone in the Raiders organization is an expert? Al Davis has done an exceptional job at tanking the franchise but acting like they are doing their best.

    And New England didn’t draft Brady thinking he was going to become the QB he DEVELOPED into, he got thrown into the starting role due to the franchise QB Bledsoe went down due to injury.

    Since being drafted. Tom has had a lot of good talent around him, had some very smart football minds around him, and the team hasn’t done anything since they got busted for cheating. He is definitely one of the best QB’s right now, hindsight is 20/20.

    For every Tom Brady there are tons of Dan Marinos, John Elways, Peyton Mannings, and Phillip Rivers.

    The worst part of the whole thing is how many dumb idiots think they are smart by mentioning Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round.

  40. ilpackerbacker says: Apr 25, 2011 12:01 PM

    “You hilarious Packer fans. After Thompson traded Favre away because he knew he had a better future with Rodgers you called for his head. Yet he knew better”.

    Who are you speaking for? This is getting stupid – fans of other teams telling us how we feel. I was done with Favre when he threw SIX PICKS against the Rams in the 02 playoffs. I knew then, that’s all he’d ever do when the season was on the line. Proven correct, thanks.

    Yes, we loved Favre at one time. Then later, I couldn’t wait for him to leave. If you don’t believe me, I don’t care. Ted, Mike, Aaron, Dom Capers, etc., got it done. Favre has done nothing but ruin seasons for about a decade now. Up, over, and OUT.

  41. duffer58 says: Apr 25, 2011 12:12 PM

    Thompson of course is correct. Kiper and Mcshay are bad enough. But when Espn has clowns like Mark Schlerth commenting on draft it is like a SNL skit.
    Justin Harrell has had injuries that nobody can predict.

  42. stellarperformance says: Apr 25, 2011 12:24 PM

    There is a lot more luck involved than any of the GM’s or other “experts” are willing to admit…..which is another reason why rookie pay scales need to be tiered and controlled.

  43. thephantomstranger says: Apr 25, 2011 12:54 PM

    duffer58 says:
    Apr 25, 2011 12:12 PM
    Justin Harrell has had injuries that nobody can predict.
    _________________

    Nobody knew who Justin Harrell was before he was drafted. He had injury issues coming in and only the brilliant Ted Thompson thought he was worth the 16th pick.

  44. shaggytoodle says: Apr 25, 2011 1:59 PM

    There is a lot more luck involved than any of the GM’s or other
    _______

    I disagree while 1 or 2 picks may have luck on it.

    There is a reason why teams like Detroit, Cleveland, Carolina and others seem to draft high consistantly its not luck.

    Just like teams that find good value are better like Indy, Pitt, NE , and GB.

  45. packerbacker12 says: Apr 25, 2011 3:27 PM

    There is no such thing as a ‘draft expert’. Anyone can predict where a player goes.

  46. packerbacker12 says: Apr 25, 2011 3:28 PM

    “Again with the A.J. Hawk love. He’s an average linebacker and wasn’t worth the 5th overall pick.”

    Yes he hasn’t played as well as where he was drafted but he is in no means a bust.

  47. chochav says: Apr 25, 2011 3:36 PM

    This is a clear fallacy because you’re comparing two different things. TT says, “most of the people that are commenting on it don’t know anything about what they are talking about.”

    How does TT not know what he’s doing? And even if he doesn’t, its not related to people knowing what they’re talking about. The man just built a super bowl winning roster. That alone justifies what he says about people not knowing anything. Drafting Harrell and Brohm doesn’t mean TT doesn’t know what he’s talking about or doing at all.

  48. dd393 says: Apr 25, 2011 7:04 PM

    “And it wasn’t a draft expert who took Justin Harrell in the first round in 2007. It was Thompson.”

    Ooh, Michael David, aren’t we cranky. You guys get really pissy when you’re told that you’re no where near as smart as you like to think you are.

  49. acdc84 says: Apr 25, 2011 7:23 PM

    Tom Brady didn’t have a good AFC Title game so he’s not a superstar QB? Tiger Woods didn’t win the tournament yesterday so he’s not an expert golfer? Ben Affleck did “Reindeer Games” but he isn’t a great actor? Come on now, as long as you’re hitting at a much higher percentage than your average peer you should get some credit, and I think TT has proven that.

  50. lilsmoky says: Apr 25, 2011 8:27 PM

    acdc, I was with you til you mentioned Affleck, then I had to bust out laughing.

  51. brewdogg says: Apr 25, 2011 8:56 PM

    gregjennings85 says:
    Apr 25, 2011 10:01 AM
    Yeah, nice call, Mike.

    Not everyone can be as big of a ‘DOer’ as you, and write about what they’d do, for a living.

    You say: Justin Harrell (1st). Heck, add Brian Brohm (2nd), Pat Lee (2nd) and Terrence Murphy (2nd – shortened career – spinal chord narrowing) to the mix.

    I’ll go ahead and throw out: Aaron Rodgers (1st), BJ Raji (1st), Clay Matthews (1st), Brian Bulaga (1st), Greg Jennings (2nd), Nick Collins (2nd), Jordy Nelson (2nd), James Jones (3rd), Jermichael Finley (3rd), Josh Sitton (4th), Johnny Jolly (6th), James Starks (6th), Desmond Bishop (6th), Matt Flynn (7th).

    Waiting on you, MJD…
    ————————————-

    Heck, I’ll field this one……

    First off, let me ask you to be completely honest with yourself…. If the Vikings had used a 2nd round pick on a QB and cut him in training camp, do you really believe that it would be mentioned as little by Packer fans as the Brohm thing is mentioned by Vikings fans? Be honest….. You know little jimmy would be bringing it up every other day.

    But aside from that, let’s be a little more real about TT’s drafting. While I am not about to argue that he has done a very good job of assembling talent, he is far from infallible.

    The 2007 draft was mentioned earlier, but the picks after Jones were conveniently ignored to highlight the 6th-round picks. After Harrel, Jackson, and Jones came Aaron Rouse, Allen Barbre, and David Clowney, all three major misses.

    The 2006 draft was worse. Yes, the Packers got Hawk and Jennings, but top-75 picks were used on Daryn Colledge, Abdul Hodge, and Jason Spitz. Cory Rodgers, Ingle Martin, Will Blackmon, and Tony Moll were all selected before Jolly.

    The nine picks after Rodgers and Collins in 2005 yielded only Poppinga.

    In fact, from 2005 to 2008, Thompson has about a 60% fail rate on his draft picks.

    Once again, not trying to diminish the success he has had. He has hit on many of his high picks and and plucked some good late-rounders. But compensatory picks gained from letting veteran FAs leave and trading down gave him more chances to hit those late-round bargains, and the misses have been much more frequent after the second round than the hits have been.

    The point is, Harrell is far from the only blemish on his record. He misses as often as anyone else. And with key players aging, like Driver, Woodson, Clifton, Jenkins, and Pickett over 30, and Collins, Grant, T Williams, and Jennings fast approaching 30, he needs to hit in the next couple of years or watch the team, and his reputation, fall to mediocrity.

    I would hope that, given the way that many of you revere him, if that event should become reality, you will be the loyal fans you proclaim yourselves to be.

  52. cleonslamminsalmon says: Apr 26, 2011 1:15 AM

    I think people are forgetting how huge AJ Hawk played this year when Barnett went down. A key player on a Super Bowl champion is not a bust. (I can see why Vikes fans wouldn’t know any better)

    And to Brewdogg-Thanks for pointing out Ted Thompson put together a Super Bowl champion with a 60% fail rate. He’s a way better GM than I originally thought.

  53. goombar2 says: Apr 26, 2011 5:50 PM

    brewdog-

    Bad post! Bad post!

    You just don’t know what you’re talking about. You’re throwing out names that either you don’t know what happened to the people or don’t know who they are.

    Daryn Colledge was our starting guard and will be a prized FA. Blackmon was a good returner, when healthy and was picked up immediately. Jason Spitz was a starter, but got out played by Wells – provided great depth. Again, another team will be picking him up, he’s got talent. It’s this approach that lead to us losing 16 guys and we still win a SB.

    Tony Moll was traded for Derrick Martin, a STs player and back up safety. But due to the fact Peprah’s worked out so well and the Packers don’t hold players back if they have good attitudes, we released Martin. But the guy is a good player and some team is gonna get a good solid player.

    And Thompson’s fail rate isn’t 60%. Try reversing (40%) that and you’d be closer. Not every pick is going to be CM3. Some are STers and back ups. But having good back ups is what makes SB runs possible.

    Oh, and the 2nd on Brohm doesn’t matter when you have Rodgers and draft Flynn in the seventh. But where it is funny with the vikes is when they use a second on Tjak, do very little in development, then sell out the future and destroy his confidence by bringing in a 40 yo has been and the whole thing turns to crap.

    And what do you have behind that? A guy drafted as a Wr… See the big difference? We drafted Brohm to develop. When it didn’t work, no harm we moved on with a late round crap shoot 7th rounder who played well. We didn’t abandon the most important position.

    The vikes did and that’s why Pack fans make such jest of the situation.

  54. brewdogg says: Apr 27, 2011 11:35 PM

    Goombar, goombar, goombar…….. (sigh)

    You should know me better by now. Do you really think I don’t know who Blackmon is? Are you going to accuse me of not watching Vikings games now? I did see those PR TDs in both games in 2008. Including him and Moll was the bait to get someone to jump in and defend them, knowing whoever did would also defend Colledge and Spitz. I should have known you’d be the one….. Oh well, here we go again.

    Colledge is the starter because there isn’t anyone better, not because he is good. Same with Spitz. By the logic you use to defend these two picks, Marcus Johnson and Ryan Cook were good picks too. Are you prepared to go there? I’m not. Face facts…. Sitton is the first above-average interior lineman the Packers have had since they let Rivera and Wahle walk away.

    And please tell me you’re not really buying into that roundabout-backhand-Jackson-Flynn-deflect attention defense of the Brohm pick. There is no way to make it pretty. A 2nd round pick was used on a player cut in training camp. That is a colossal bust. Period. There is no justification, regardless of who else is at the position.

    But let’s move on to the fail rate. 41 picks from 2005-2008. 24 misses is 60%. In order, Underwood, Coston, Hawkins, Bragg, Campbell, Whittiker, Hodge, Rodgers, Martin, Culver, Tollefson, Harrel, Rouse, Barbre, Clowney, Wynn, Harris, Brohm, Thompson, and Giocamini make 20 clear misses. I even left Terrence Murphy alone…. (to be frank, I cringe when I think of him being part of that WR group…..he had talent.)

    Pat Lee – I know some still hold out hope for him….
    Brandon Jackson – fine, he is a good 3rd-down back, but that’s not what the Packers spent a 2nd to acquire
    Brett Swain – he has his defenders too, but 6 catches in 3 seasons….
    Mike Montgomery – hit or miss? You tell me. But remember who you are talking to and try to think ahead to the rebuttal. Here’s a little help…. Defending this pick is contradictory to an attack you made on me for defending a previous Vikings pick.
    Colledge and Spitz – not worth their draft position

    Choose to defend whoever you want. These 6 are at least still on the roster…. But I dare you to put these 6 out to an unbiased observer and ask them to categorize as hits or misses. I’m willing to bet at least 4 would come back as misses. There’s your 60%.

    Look, goombar, you have a decent mind for football, and much of what you have to say I agree with. But you let your homerism shine through too often. While you are not as vehement in it as some others, you still have anybody wearing Packers colors on a pedestal. Packers fans have every right to be proud of the team and the season they just had, but don’t let it blind you to certain truths.

  55. axespray says: Apr 28, 2011 8:42 AM

    “Again with the A.J. Hawk love. He’s an average linebacker and wasn’t worth the 5th overall pick.”

    So Chad Greenway can be considered an “average linebacker”?

    you know, cause all he has are “TACKLE” stats and not sacks/interceptions/forcedfumbles?

  56. innoculo says: May 1, 2011 12:10 PM

    To be fair, Justin Harrell was looking pretty good until he blew out his ACL last year. Dude just couldn’t stay healthy, but the skills seemed to be there.

  57. goombar2 says: May 2, 2011 7:45 PM

    You’re trying to twist my words to make an argument, but you’re missing my point.

    Hit or miss? That’s pretty black or white. When last we were discussing the draft I believe my argument on hit or miss was about high #1 draft picks. Sure, you can do it with #1s, but with 7th rounders? You’re reaching at best. And second round picks are hardly huge busts… I want Jackson on the team and think we should resign him. Is he AP? No, but AP was picked #7 overall.

    The truth is, a team can only have a certain amount of huge superstar talent. The cap prevents having too many great players. Colledge is a fine talent, but he’s gonna want big bucks and we can probably replace him.
    Are we going to have a discussion about Cullen Jenkins sucking too? We’re going to probably let him go… Must mean he sucks or this is just NFL parity playing out.

    But the difference between championship teams isn’t the number of super star blue chip players – it’s the second level guy who aren’t probowl guys, but play very solid football or a little better.

    And you idea of asking Joe Nobody off the street is ridiculous. How would they know our roster? Most know another team by what the see on Sports Center. Many NFL fans don’t even know how a roster is put together.

  58. duanemccoy says: May 3, 2011 11:39 AM

    This is a pretty funny article. Michael takes a cheap shot at the guy that just put together a super bowl champion with nearly an entire roster of players he drafted or signed as an undrafted player. Very professional. Glad Ted can tell it like it is too.

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