Hit or miss? That’s pretty black or white. When last we were discussing the draft I believe my argument on hit or miss was about high #1 draft picks. Sure, you can do it with #1s, but with 7th rounders? You’re reaching at best. And second round picks are hardly huge busts… I want Jackson on the team and think we should resign him. Is he AP? No, but AP was picked #7 overall.

The truth is, a team can only have a certain amount of huge superstar talent. The cap prevents having too many great players. Colledge is a fine talent, but he’s gonna want big bucks and we can probably replace him.
Are we going to have a discussion about Cullen Jenkins sucking too? We’re going to probably let him go… Must mean he sucks or this is just NFL parity playing out.

But the difference between championship teams isn’t the number of super star blue chip players – it’s the second level guy who aren’t probowl guys, but play very solid football or a little better.

And you idea of asking Joe Nobody off the street is ridiculous. How would they know our roster? Most know another team by what the see on Sports Center. Many NFL fans don’t even know how a roster is put together.

So Chad Greenway can be considered an “average linebacker”?

you know, cause all he has are “TACKLE” stats and not sacks/interceptions/forcedfumbles?

You should know me better by now. Do you really think I don’t know who Blackmon is? Are you going to accuse me of not watching Vikings games now? I did see those PR TDs in both games in 2008. Including him and Moll was the bait to get someone to jump in and defend them, knowing whoever did would also defend Colledge and Spitz. I should have known you’d be the one….. Oh well, here we go again.

Colledge is the starter because there isn’t anyone better, not because he is good. Same with Spitz. By the logic you use to defend these two picks, Marcus Johnson and Ryan Cook were good picks too. Are you prepared to go there? I’m not. Face facts…. Sitton is the first above-average interior lineman the Packers have had since they let Rivera and Wahle walk away.

And please tell me you’re not really buying into that roundabout-backhand-Jackson-Flynn-deflect attention defense of the Brohm pick. There is no way to make it pretty. A 2nd round pick was used on a player cut in training camp. That is a colossal bust. Period. There is no justification, regardless of who else is at the position.

But let’s move on to the fail rate. 41 picks from 2005-2008. 24 misses is 60%. In order, Underwood, Coston, Hawkins, Bragg, Campbell, Whittiker, Hodge, Rodgers, Martin, Culver, Tollefson, Harrel, Rouse, Barbre, Clowney, Wynn, Harris, Brohm, Thompson, and Giocamini make 20 clear misses. I even left Terrence Murphy alone…. (to be frank, I cringe when I think of him being part of that WR group…..he had talent.)

Pat Lee – I know some still hold out hope for him….
Brandon Jackson – fine, he is a good 3rd-down back, but that’s not what the Packers spent a 2nd to acquire
Brett Swain – he has his defenders too, but 6 catches in 3 seasons….
Mike Montgomery – hit or miss? You tell me. But remember who you are talking to and try to think ahead to the rebuttal. Here’s a little help…. Defending this pick is contradictory to an attack you made on me for defending a previous Vikings pick.
Colledge and Spitz – not worth their draft position

Choose to defend whoever you want. These 6 are at least still on the roster…. But I dare you to put these 6 out to an unbiased observer and ask them to categorize as hits or misses. I’m willing to bet at least 4 would come back as misses. There’s your 60%.

Look, goombar, you have a decent mind for football, and much of what you have to say I agree with. But you let your homerism shine through too often. While you are not as vehement in it as some others, you still have anybody wearing Packers colors on a pedestal. Packers fans have every right to be proud of the team and the season they just had, but don’t let it blind you to certain truths.

Bad post! Bad post!

You just don’t know what you’re talking about. You’re throwing out names that either you don’t know what happened to the people or don’t know who they are.

Daryn Colledge was our starting guard and will be a prized FA. Blackmon was a good returner, when healthy and was picked up immediately. Jason Spitz was a starter, but got out played by Wells – provided great depth. Again, another team will be picking him up, he’s got talent. It’s this approach that lead to us losing 16 guys and we still win a SB.

Tony Moll was traded for Derrick Martin, a STs player and back up safety. But due to the fact Peprah’s worked out so well and the Packers don’t hold players back if they have good attitudes, we released Martin. But the guy is a good player and some team is gonna get a good solid player.

And Thompson’s fail rate isn’t 60%. Try reversing (40%) that and you’d be closer. Not every pick is going to be CM3. Some are STers and back ups. But having good back ups is what makes SB runs possible.

Oh, and the 2nd on Brohm doesn’t matter when you have Rodgers and draft Flynn in the seventh. But where it is funny with the vikes is when they use a second on Tjak, do very little in development, then sell out the future and destroy his confidence by bringing in a 40 yo has been and the whole thing turns to crap.

And what do you have behind that? A guy drafted as a Wr… See the big difference? We drafted Brohm to develop. When it didn’t work, no harm we moved on with a late round crap shoot 7th rounder who played well. We didn’t abandon the most important position.

The vikes did and that’s why Pack fans make such jest of the situation.

And to Brewdogg-Thanks for pointing out Ted Thompson put together a Super Bowl champion with a 60% fail rate. He’s a way better GM than I originally thought.

Not everyone can be as big of a ‘DOer’ as you, and write about what they’d do, for a living.

You say: Justin Harrell (1st). Heck, add Brian Brohm (2nd), Pat Lee (2nd) and Terrence Murphy (2nd – shortened career – spinal chord narrowing) to the mix.

I’ll go ahead and throw out: Aaron Rodgers (1st), BJ Raji (1st), Clay Matthews (1st), Brian Bulaga (1st), Greg Jennings (2nd), Nick Collins (2nd), Jordy Nelson (2nd), James Jones (3rd), Jermichael Finley (3rd), Josh Sitton (4th), Johnny Jolly (6th), James Starks (6th), Desmond Bishop (6th), Matt Flynn (7th).

Waiting on you, MJD…
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Heck, I’ll field this one……

First off, let me ask you to be completely honest with yourself…. If the Vikings had used a 2nd round pick on a QB and cut him in training camp, do you really believe that it would be mentioned as little by Packer fans as the Brohm thing is mentioned by Vikings fans? Be honest….. You know little jimmy would be bringing it up every other day.

But aside from that, let’s be a little more real about TT’s drafting. While I am not about to argue that he has done a very good job of assembling talent, he is far from infallible.

The 2007 draft was mentioned earlier, but the picks after Jones were conveniently ignored to highlight the 6th-round picks. After Harrel, Jackson, and Jones came Aaron Rouse, Allen Barbre, and David Clowney, all three major misses.

The 2006 draft was worse. Yes, the Packers got Hawk and Jennings, but top-75 picks were used on Daryn Colledge, Abdul Hodge, and Jason Spitz. Cory Rodgers, Ingle Martin, Will Blackmon, and Tony Moll were all selected before Jolly.

The nine picks after Rodgers and Collins in 2005 yielded only Poppinga.

In fact, from 2005 to 2008, Thompson has about a 60% fail rate on his draft picks.

Once again, not trying to diminish the success he has had. He has hit on many of his high picks and and plucked some good late-rounders. But compensatory picks gained from letting veteran FAs leave and trading down gave him more chances to hit those late-round bargains, and the misses have been much more frequent after the second round than the hits have been.

The point is, Harrell is far from the only blemish on his record. He misses as often as anyone else. And with key players aging, like Driver, Woodson, Clifton, Jenkins, and Pickett over 30, and Collins, Grant, T Williams, and Jennings fast approaching 30, he needs to hit in the next couple of years or watch the team, and his reputation, fall to mediocrity.

I would hope that, given the way that many of you revere him, if that event should become reality, you will be the loyal fans you proclaim yourselves to be.

Ooh, Michael David, aren’t we cranky. You guys get really pissy when you’re told that you’re no where near as smart as you like to think you are.

How does TT not know what he’s doing? And even if he doesn’t, its not related to people knowing what they’re talking about. The man just built a super bowl winning roster. That alone justifies what he says about people not knowing anything. Drafting Harrell and Brohm doesn’t mean TT doesn’t know what he’s talking about or doing at all.

Yes he hasn’t played as well as where he was drafted but he is in no means a bust.

I disagree while 1 or 2 picks may have luck on it.

There is a reason why teams like Detroit, Cleveland, Carolina and others seem to draft high consistantly its not luck.

Just like teams that find good value are better like Indy, Pitt, NE , and GB.

Nobody knew who Justin Harrell was before he was drafted. He had injury issues coming in and only the brilliant Ted Thompson thought he was worth the 16th pick.

Who are you speaking for? This is getting stupid – fans of other teams telling us how we feel. I was done with Favre when he threw SIX PICKS against the Rams in the 02 playoffs. I knew then, that’s all he’d ever do when the season was on the line. Proven correct, thanks.

Yes, we loved Favre at one time. Then later, I couldn’t wait for him to leave. If you don’t believe me, I don’t care. Ted, Mike, Aaron, Dom Capers, etc., got it done. Favre has done nothing but ruin seasons for about a decade now. Up, over, and OUT.

Can the sports world STOP acting like Tom Brady who was kind of awkward, slow, and very average being drafted in the 6th round is so terrible?

JaMarcus Russel has/had all the talent one would want in a QB, his lack of motivation is not something anyone could predict. Plus he was drafted by the Raiders. Who would say anyone in the Raiders organization is an expert? Al Davis has done an exceptional job at tanking the franchise but acting like they are doing their best.

And New England didn’t draft Brady thinking he was going to become the QB he DEVELOPED into, he got thrown into the starting role due to the franchise QB Bledsoe went down due to injury.

Since being drafted. Tom has had a lot of good talent around him, had some very smart football minds around him, and the team hasn’t done anything since they got busted for cheating. He is definitely one of the best QB’s right now, hindsight is 20/20.

For every Tom Brady there are tons of Dan Marinos, John Elways, Peyton Mannings, and Phillip Rivers.

The worst part of the whole thing is how many dumb idiots think they are smart by mentioning Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round.

For the record I was against the Harrell pick because of the injuries but I was also against other picks that turned out great. Can’t just pick one and make a case out of it.

How many Packer fans make up this group you’re claiming are hypocrites? Just curious if I’m the only one who was happy Favre was traded and Rodgers got the job. Pretty sure I’m not the only one, but maybe you’re right and I’m a trend setter. Feel free to back your claims, moron.

Again with the A.J. Hawk love. He’s an average linebacker and wasn’t worth the 5th overall pick.

When he drafted Harrel, you called for his head again. Aj Hawk -as a 5th overall pick, Thompson was way off.

Now you have become hypocrites.

Rest assured Harrel was a horrible pick and you should own up to it. And you were wrong about the Brett Favre move and again you should own up to it. The fact is these “experts” get about as many picks right as the GM’s of these teams. And Thompson has proved to be no different than the “experts”.

Let’s look at that 2007 draft again. Harrel, B. Jackson, James Jones, Then back to back to back picks in the 6th round, 2 from trades, Korey Hall, Desmond Bishop; Thompson traded down 7 spots in the 4th and picked up this pick along with it. Then Desmond crushes the Steeler Championship hopes with a beautiful fumble recovery. Then Thompson picked Mason Crosby 1 pick after that.

Back to back to back Superbowl Champions in the 6th round.

2007 was also Brett’s final season, They were in the NFC championship game that year too.

Thompson is better at his job than I am at mine. And I think the same applies to some other folks as well.

Anyway, what gbpackerfan said there is true, the full quote changes the entire tune of this article and makes this a non-story. Leave it be and get off TT’s case.

Not everyone can be as big of a ‘DOer’ as you, and write about what they’d do, for a living.

You say: Justin Harrell (1st). Heck, add Brian Brohm (2nd), Pat Lee (2nd) and Terrence Murphy (2nd – shortened career – spinal chord narrowing) to the mix.

I’ll go ahead and throw out: Aaron Rodgers (1st), BJ Raji (1st), Clay Matthews (1st), Brian Bulaga (1st), Greg Jennings (2nd), Nick Collins (2nd), Jordy Nelson (2nd), James Jones (3rd), Jermichael Finley (3rd), Josh Sitton (4th), Johnny Jolly (6th), James Starks (6th), Desmond Bishop (6th), Matt Flynn (7th).

Waiting on you, MJD…