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		<title>By: thefiesty1</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just what the fans need, more lawyers and more legal strategies.  This mess is too F&#039;ed up to fix. No thanks to the layers and an Obama appointed judge.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just what the fans need, more lawyers and more legal strategies.  This mess is too F&#8217;ed up to fix. No thanks to the layers and an Obama appointed judge.</p>
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		<title>By: airraid77</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[airraid77]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 18:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[wholeftthegateopen,
the owners wouldnt have to do that for very long.
the players would sh it. 50 million dollars 3/4 of the players would almost immediately be out of work, the salaries would be cut devastatingly so, and the players have a deal, the owners on the table.
it would take the players about a 24 hours to figure sign the deal or life as we know it is gone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wholeftthegateopen,<br />
the owners wouldnt have to do that for very long.<br />
the players would sh it. 50 million dollars 3/4 of the players would almost immediately be out of work, the salaries would be cut devastatingly so, and the players have a deal, the owners on the table.<br />
it would take the players about a 24 hours to figure sign the deal or life as we know it is gone.</p>
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		<title>By: Deb</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@chap ...

Take your personal political obsessions out of this because they make you sound foolish. Read the post from the attorney that appears just after yours. The writing has been on the wall in Big &lt;strong&gt;BOLD&lt;/strong&gt; Letters for a long time. The owners simply ignored it. 

The NFL is a gold-producing goose paying billions of dollars of which the &lt;em&gt;owners&lt;/em&gt; reap the lions share no matter how much they choose to poor-mouth and how much gullible people choose to believe them. But after generations of exploiting talent, they didn&#039;t like the simple idea of players having some of the eggs. So like the king, they&#039;re now standing on the brink of strangling the goose. 

We are at this point because the owners opted out of a sound CBA and tried to get &lt;em&gt;more&lt;/em&gt;. They rejected a player offer that would have given them &lt;em&gt;more&lt;/em&gt; but not &lt;em&gt;enough&lt;/em&gt;. They played fast and loose with the law in planning their lockout strategy and got shut down. They didn&#039;t stop. The players caught them off-guard with a quick end-around. They didn&#039;t stop. Instead they gambled everything on a flawed legal stragegy. It&#039;s time to stop and sign an agreement before they lose everything.  But some men simply can&#039;t take No for an answer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@chap &#8230;</p>
<p>Take your personal political obsessions out of this because they make you sound foolish. Read the post from the attorney that appears just after yours. The writing has been on the wall in Big <strong>BOLD</strong> Letters for a long time. The owners simply ignored it. </p>
<p>The NFL is a gold-producing goose paying billions of dollars of which the <em>owners</em> reap the lions share no matter how much they choose to poor-mouth and how much gullible people choose to believe them. But after generations of exploiting talent, they didn&#8217;t like the simple idea of players having some of the eggs. So like the king, they&#8217;re now standing on the brink of strangling the goose. </p>
<p>We are at this point because the owners opted out of a sound CBA and tried to get <em>more</em>. They rejected a player offer that would have given them <em>more</em> but not <em>enough</em>. They played fast and loose with the law in planning their lockout strategy and got shut down. They didn&#8217;t stop. The players caught them off-guard with a quick end-around. They didn&#8217;t stop. Instead they gambled everything on a flawed legal stragegy. It&#8217;s time to stop and sign an agreement before they lose everything.  But some men simply can&#8217;t take No for an answer.</p>
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		<title>By: wholeftthegateopen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wholeftthegateopen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[airraid77 says: Apr 26, 2011 8:48 AM

The owners need to union bust….sorry if that inconvenient truth hurts your feelings.
if I am the owners, I dont do a deal, I Set a cap at 50 million dollars and its a free for all after that.
that would get the players attention almost immediately.
almost immediately half the leagues players are out of jobs.
And dont let the players re-constitute their union.
You wanna sue? we can play hard ball to.


The only problem with your argument is that is EXACTLY what you can&#039;t do! What you are proposing only works if every team has to decide on it&#039;s own rules for doing business...the LEAGUE no longer exists, all anti-trust exemptions no longer apply and you are now 32 separate businesses. When have you ever seen 2 businesses agree on anything? the hardball you propose playing means there will be NO NFL FOOTBALL. I don&#039;t understand why so many people don&#039;t understand that THE OWNERS don&#039;t exist without a UNION - anti trust 101, high school level civics class.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>airraid77 says: Apr 26, 2011 8:48 AM</p>
<p>The owners need to union bust….sorry if that inconvenient truth hurts your feelings.<br />
if I am the owners, I dont do a deal, I Set a cap at 50 million dollars and its a free for all after that.<br />
that would get the players attention almost immediately.<br />
almost immediately half the leagues players are out of jobs.<br />
And dont let the players re-constitute their union.<br />
You wanna sue? we can play hard ball to.</p>
<p>The only problem with your argument is that is EXACTLY what you can&#8217;t do! What you are proposing only works if every team has to decide on it&#8217;s own rules for doing business&#8230;the LEAGUE no longer exists, all anti-trust exemptions no longer apply and you are now 32 separate businesses. When have you ever seen 2 businesses agree on anything? the hardball you propose playing means there will be NO NFL FOOTBALL. I don&#8217;t understand why so many people don&#8217;t understand that THE OWNERS don&#8217;t exist without a UNION &#8211; anti trust 101, high school level civics class.</p>
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		<title>By: teddyrex</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[teddyrex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[rad312, maybe you should not talk about things you don&#039;t know about.  for example, i wouldn&#039;t talk about advanced medicine or how to deep fry french fries, because I don&#039;t work in those fields.  nor would i claim that the refusal of my doctor to give me chemotherapy reflected a political bias.

the law and facts here are very very clear, which is why the NFL keeps losing in front of both Republican and Democratic-appointed judges.  The fact that you&#039;d call this political bias, without any evidence backing up your claim, without any apparent understanding of the legal issues or facts under consideration, clearly paints YOU as the political hack.  Get a clue, stop listening to talk radio, and start actually researching things before you spout off on them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rad312, maybe you should not talk about things you don&#8217;t know about.  for example, i wouldn&#8217;t talk about advanced medicine or how to deep fry french fries, because I don&#8217;t work in those fields.  nor would i claim that the refusal of my doctor to give me chemotherapy reflected a political bias.</p>
<p>the law and facts here are very very clear, which is why the NFL keeps losing in front of both Republican and Democratic-appointed judges.  The fact that you&#8217;d call this political bias, without any evidence backing up your claim, without any apparent understanding of the legal issues or facts under consideration, clearly paints YOU as the political hack.  Get a clue, stop listening to talk radio, and start actually researching things before you spout off on them.</p>
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		<title>By: tremoluxman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tremoluxman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the legal dick contests, the owners have consistently come up short.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the legal dick contests, the owners have consistently come up short.</p>
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		<title>By: hatesycophants</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hatesycophants]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One more thing... @ pappysarcasm,

I love and have fought for my country.  I would fight again if called.  Since you hate her so, enjoy Europe?  South America?  Canada?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing&#8230; @ pappysarcasm,</p>
<p>I love and have fought for my country.  I would fight again if called.  Since you hate her so, enjoy Europe?  South America?  Canada?</p>
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		<title>By: mdh67</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mdh67]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[pappysarcasm says: 
Apr 26, 2011 9:19 AM 
This is BS. The communist liberal socialist wasteland we call minnesota of has once again spewed vial chiat all over a good thing! Since when does/can a court order a businessman to take on partners?! The owners should all declare their businesses shut down and declare firesales of all team equipment and facilities, on the day camps would have otherwise opened! 

The owners may have had poor legal strategy knowing the odds they are facing in that COURT, but they are right that they should not be forced to share any revenue or open there books or anything else these criminals are demanding!

Option 12: if the players win, all high $$ veterans are cut immediately, and sign a 53 man roster of undrafted rookies for $30 and hour with a minimum obamacare and no pension of anykind!

What a pitiful place this country has turned into!
__________________________

What you are proposing is far more un-American.  What you fail to understand is that the owners have the benefit of not having to compete against each other.  This is what is an antitrust violation. Businesses cannot work together to set prices or artficially impact the market.  So, owners can now compete against each other for players with no draft or free agency rules.  If one team doesn&#039;t want to sign high priced veterans, I am sure another team will.  If this means that smaller market teams cannot compete, well then that&#039;s too bad for them.  That is just the way capitalism works.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pappysarcasm says:<br />
Apr 26, 2011 9:19 AM<br />
This is BS. The communist liberal socialist wasteland we call minnesota of has once again spewed vial chiat all over a good thing! Since when does/can a court order a businessman to take on partners?! The owners should all declare their businesses shut down and declare firesales of all team equipment and facilities, on the day camps would have otherwise opened! </p>
<p>The owners may have had poor legal strategy knowing the odds they are facing in that COURT, but they are right that they should not be forced to share any revenue or open there books or anything else these criminals are demanding!</p>
<p>Option 12: if the players win, all high $$ veterans are cut immediately, and sign a 53 man roster of undrafted rookies for $30 and hour with a minimum obamacare and no pension of anykind!</p>
<p>What a pitiful place this country has turned into!<br />
__________________________</p>
<p>What you are proposing is far more un-American.  What you fail to understand is that the owners have the benefit of not having to compete against each other.  This is what is an antitrust violation. Businesses cannot work together to set prices or artficially impact the market.  So, owners can now compete against each other for players with no draft or free agency rules.  If one team doesn&#8217;t want to sign high priced veterans, I am sure another team will.  If this means that smaller market teams cannot compete, well then that&#8217;s too bad for them.  That is just the way capitalism works.</p>
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		<title>By: footballfan292</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[footballfan292]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So you think the owners would have a better chance in a conservative court?

The US Supreme Court is a conservative court. And it ruled 9-0 against the NFL in the Needle case. 9-0!!!! The league couldnt get one conservative on the Supreme Court to agree with them?

Something is very, very wrong with the NFL&#039;s legal strategy. And they will continue to get destroyed in front of every court until they fix it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you think the owners would have a better chance in a conservative court?</p>
<p>The US Supreme Court is a conservative court. And it ruled 9-0 against the NFL in the Needle case. 9-0!!!! The league couldnt get one conservative on the Supreme Court to agree with them?</p>
<p>Something is very, very wrong with the NFL&#8217;s legal strategy. And they will continue to get destroyed in front of every court until they fix it.</p>
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		<title>By: hatesycophants</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hatesycophants]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My question to all of you posters (save chapnastier and other obvious bigots) is; where the hell have you all been?  This site and these stories in particular have been plagued by seemingly hundreds of posters in support of the owners.  For those of us who are reasonable and haven&#039;t fallen victim to the Conservative (most of you who claim this set have no idea what the word means) versus Liberal narrative, the legal position of the owners has always been untenable.  Yet, for months this place has seemed like the Heritage Foundation website.

The owners have the enviable position of being a very poorly regulated monopoly.  Since when does middle America shill for that?

Glad you&#039;re all still out there.  Let&#039;s put this nastiness behind us and play some football!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My question to all of you posters (save chapnastier and other obvious bigots) is; where the hell have you all been?  This site and these stories in particular have been plagued by seemingly hundreds of posters in support of the owners.  For those of us who are reasonable and haven&#8217;t fallen victim to the Conservative (most of you who claim this set have no idea what the word means) versus Liberal narrative, the legal position of the owners has always been untenable.  Yet, for months this place has seemed like the Heritage Foundation website.</p>
<p>The owners have the enviable position of being a very poorly regulated monopoly.  Since when does middle America shill for that?</p>
<p>Glad you&#8217;re all still out there.  Let&#8217;s put this nastiness behind us and play some football!</p>
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		<title>By: rad312</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rad312]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is amazing to me with your continued editorials portraying the owners as being dumb or above listening to their legal representation.

The majority of the owners have very successful business enterprises outside of football.  So it must be dumb luck that the owners have been successful outside of football however when matters pertain to football they are just simply devoid of common business sense and practices.

The owners all have separate business interests outside of football so they have been successful in various other industries.

So when it comes to the common business interest which is the NFL the common failure point has been the Minnesota court system.

Not labor disputes as a number of owners have other business interests which either employ union members or have business dealings with unions

The common failure point has been the Minnesota court system!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is amazing to me with your continued editorials portraying the owners as being dumb or above listening to their legal representation.</p>
<p>The majority of the owners have very successful business enterprises outside of football.  So it must be dumb luck that the owners have been successful outside of football however when matters pertain to football they are just simply devoid of common business sense and practices.</p>
<p>The owners all have separate business interests outside of football so they have been successful in various other industries.</p>
<p>So when it comes to the common business interest which is the NFL the common failure point has been the Minnesota court system.</p>
<p>Not labor disputes as a number of owners have other business interests which either employ union members or have business dealings with unions</p>
<p>The common failure point has been the Minnesota court system!</p>
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		<title>By: tdotsteel</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The NFL owners have been soundly defeated in court up to now because they have no legal ground, liberal or conservative court notwithstanding.

This is what is wrong with America, the law should  be interpreted based on jurisprudence as opposed to partisan leanings which some on this board would prefer to support their political bias.

The Jerry Jones et al  essentially operate a monopoly, have the best system in sports and are willing to kill the golden goose because they want to skim another billion off the top, not reveal their books......because they feel like.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NFL owners have been soundly defeated in court up to now because they have no legal ground, liberal or conservative court notwithstanding.</p>
<p>This is what is wrong with America, the law should  be interpreted based on jurisprudence as opposed to partisan leanings which some on this board would prefer to support their political bias.</p>
<p>The Jerry Jones et al  essentially operate a monopoly, have the best system in sports and are willing to kill the golden goose because they want to skim another billion off the top, not reveal their books&#8230;&#8230;because they feel like.</p>
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		<title>By: airraid77</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[airraid77]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How can you have a conservative or strict reading of the law and be an activist?LOL!
Liberal means you interepret the law the way you see fit.....shocking that you dont understand the difference.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can you have a conservative or strict reading of the law and be an activist?LOL!<br />
Liberal means you interepret the law the way you see fit&#8230;..shocking that you dont understand the difference.</p>
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		<title>By: yokoromo</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The ruling may be &quot;in favor of the players&quot;, but the owners are actually getting EXACTLY what they want: 
no minimum salaries, no revenue sharing, no guarranteed benefits, not being forced to sign top ten draft picks to big money contracts, the ability to run a franchise any way you like, etc.

The small market teams will make more money by spending less. The big market teams will make more money by not having to share as much with small market teams.  This solves the biggest obstacle that the owners faced in the last CBA negotiation.

Best of all, when the competitive ballance of the league is destroyed, the owners can point to the players and say, &quot;It&#039;s all their fault!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ruling may be &#8220;in favor of the players&#8221;, but the owners are actually getting EXACTLY what they want:<br />
no minimum salaries, no revenue sharing, no guarranteed benefits, not being forced to sign top ten draft picks to big money contracts, the ability to run a franchise any way you like, etc.</p>
<p>The small market teams will make more money by spending less. The big market teams will make more money by not having to share as much with small market teams.  This solves the biggest obstacle that the owners faced in the last CBA negotiation.</p>
<p>Best of all, when the competitive ballance of the league is destroyed, the owners can point to the players and say, &#8220;It&#8217;s all their fault!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: bronco1st</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bronco1st]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s probably because the owners won&#039;t take their lawyer&#039;s advice because they feel they are above the law and want to attempt to force their own selfish beliefs. Okay owners sheep, now hit me up with the TDs!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s probably because the owners won&#8217;t take their lawyer&#8217;s advice because they feel they are above the law and want to attempt to force their own selfish beliefs. Okay owners sheep, now hit me up with the TDs!</p>
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		<title>By: moochzilla</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;They need to get their cases out of liberal courts. Its that simple.&quot;

Yeah, screw the law.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They need to get their cases out of liberal courts. Its that simple.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, screw the law.</p>
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		<title>By: rad312</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whether a brilliant strategy by the NFLPA, a colossal blunder by the owners, or a matter of circumstances however the multiple defeats can be directly linked to the liberal court rulings and oversight by Doty and the Minnesota court system.

The owners need to get to the 8th Circuit to level the playing field.

Having a blind following of either the owners or the players reminds me so much of politics where a percentage of our population simply vote along party lines.

The reality is both sides have valid points, which need to be collectively bargain by business people and not the lawyers looking for wins through litigation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether a brilliant strategy by the NFLPA, a colossal blunder by the owners, or a matter of circumstances however the multiple defeats can be directly linked to the liberal court rulings and oversight by Doty and the Minnesota court system.</p>
<p>The owners need to get to the 8th Circuit to level the playing field.</p>
<p>Having a blind following of either the owners or the players reminds me so much of politics where a percentage of our population simply vote along party lines.</p>
<p>The reality is both sides have valid points, which need to be collectively bargain by business people and not the lawyers looking for wins through litigation.</p>
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		<title>By: moochzilla</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But when daddy gave them the team he said they could do whatever they wanted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But when daddy gave them the team he said they could do whatever they wanted.</p>
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		<title>By: livenbreathefootball</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Judge Nelson also gave the owners a chance to see reason before handing down her decision.    That was what the two week delay was for.    But, the owners refused to take the opportunity given to them, still believing that rich people with rich lawyers don&#039;t lose in court.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judge Nelson also gave the owners a chance to see reason before handing down her decision.    That was what the two week delay was for.    But, the owners refused to take the opportunity given to them, still believing that rich people with rich lawyers don&#8217;t lose in court.</p>
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		<title>By: nflsucker</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The deal the owners had before might not have been their dream deal, but everybody prospered, including overhyped draft picks who proved to be busts with guaranteed money. 

It just seems that reasonable people on both sides could agree to a rookie wage system that protects owners from the future Jamarcus Russells and Vernon Gholstons getting mega-rich for doing nothing.

Then, play some damn football.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The deal the owners had before might not have been their dream deal, but everybody prospered, including overhyped draft picks who proved to be busts with guaranteed money. </p>
<p>It just seems that reasonable people on both sides could agree to a rookie wage system that protects owners from the future Jamarcus Russells and Vernon Gholstons getting mega-rich for doing nothing.</p>
<p>Then, play some damn football.</p>
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		<title>By: themohel</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The owners, I think, have been in a tough position over the past 20 years.  Generally labor relations is a game of mutually assured destruction - the lockout/strike weapons systems generally force both parties to accept something both dislike but can live with.  If one side can remove the other side&#039;s weapons by simply stating &quot;we are no longer a union, at least for a few months,&quot; it removes the necessary balance.  In the long run this balance can only be restored by continuing the legal route until the end and trying to get a ruling from the Eighth Circuit (either now or after a trial).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The owners, I think, have been in a tough position over the past 20 years.  Generally labor relations is a game of mutually assured destruction &#8211; the lockout/strike weapons systems generally force both parties to accept something both dislike but can live with.  If one side can remove the other side&#8217;s weapons by simply stating &#8220;we are no longer a union, at least for a few months,&#8221; it removes the necessary balance.  In the long run this balance can only be restored by continuing the legal route until the end and trying to get a ruling from the Eighth Circuit (either now or after a trial).</p>
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		<title>By: ggeden</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The NFL owners only chance at redemption is a CBA the players would re-certify to accept. Because the NFL is looking down the barrel of the American Needle result.

The whole anti-trust issue in sport has been brewing for decades and probably ought to get finally settled like this is heading (needle).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NFL owners only chance at redemption is a CBA the players would re-certify to accept. Because the NFL is looking down the barrel of the American Needle result.</p>
<p>The whole anti-trust issue in sport has been brewing for decades and probably ought to get finally settled like this is heading (needle).</p>
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		<title>By: rocketdogsports</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is nothing more frightening than well funded ignorance, teamed with the arrogance that wealth brings, in action.  The NFL owners are a very frightening bunch of delusional and misinformed greed mongers. Their strategy has been a failure from the beginning on the same scale as that repeated massive boondogle; invading Russia. 

And yes, I know the players are no chior boys themselves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing more frightening than well funded ignorance, teamed with the arrogance that wealth brings, in action.  The NFL owners are a very frightening bunch of delusional and misinformed greed mongers. Their strategy has been a failure from the beginning on the same scale as that repeated massive boondogle; invading Russia. </p>
<p>And yes, I know the players are no chior boys themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: zaggs</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One major reason for their string of losses is that the league is forced to go in front of a judge (Doty) who would never vote against the friends he has met with in private several times.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One major reason for their string of losses is that the league is forced to go in front of a judge (Doty) who would never vote against the friends he has met with in private several times.</p>
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		<title>By: salmen76</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How bout dat Mike? Ha Ha. All you high-powered &quot;X&quot; lawyers said the league was right all along and that the league would and should win. Now what? Ha Ha. As usual Mike, you are wrong again. Players win this big victory in your face. So you can type your bull crap excuses about the law and why yall lost all you want to but bottom line is, You Lose Again Mike! Ha Ha. To hell with all those rich owners cuz they don&#039;t matter. They don&#039;t play football. The players endure the playing and us fans endure the paying. Geaux Saints!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How bout dat Mike? Ha Ha. All you high-powered &#8220;X&#8221; lawyers said the league was right all along and that the league would and should win. Now what? Ha Ha. As usual Mike, you are wrong again. Players win this big victory in your face. So you can type your bull crap excuses about the law and why yall lost all you want to but bottom line is, You Lose Again Mike! Ha Ha. To hell with all those rich owners cuz they don&#8217;t matter. They don&#8217;t play football. The players endure the playing and us fans endure the paying. Geaux Saints!</p>
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		<title>By: stanklepoot</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hapnastier says: Apr 26, 2011 8:17 AM

They need to get their cases out of liberal courts. Its that simple.
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In the name of all that&#039;s holy, please move on from that ridiculous argument. The NFL isn&#039;t just losing anti-trust cases in &quot;liberal&quot; courts. They&#039;re losing them everywhere, including the currently conservative-leaning Supreme Court. You&#039;re making the same mistake the owners are making. You&#039;re blaming everyone else because you don&#039;t like the outcome.

I have to say, while I&#039;m a democrat, most of my friends are either Republicans or conservative leaning independents. We get along just fine, and we have some interesting debates from time to time. It&#039;s you die-hard right wingers that are so frustrating. You&#039;re so blinded by your ideology that you refuse to recognize any facts that don&#039;t agree with that ideology. The NFL doesn&#039;t keep losing anti-trust cases because everyone who rules against them is some raging liberal out to get every rich guy they can get their hands on. They keep losing because there arguments aren&#039;t in line with anti-trust law. When it came to labor negotiations, they used to be protected by anti-trust exemptions that arose from the fact that the players were unionized and there was a negotiated cba in effect. That&#039;s no longer the case, and so now those exemptions are gone. It&#039;s as simple as that. The only way to rule against the players in this case is to rule that the decertification never happened. Since the players have the right to dissolve the union, and since they followed the appropriate process to do so, that&#039;s hard to prove in court.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hapnastier says: Apr 26, 2011 8:17 AM</p>
<p>They need to get their cases out of liberal courts. Its that simple.<br />
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In the name of all that&#8217;s holy, please move on from that ridiculous argument. The NFL isn&#8217;t just losing anti-trust cases in &#8220;liberal&#8221; courts. They&#8217;re losing them everywhere, including the currently conservative-leaning Supreme Court. You&#8217;re making the same mistake the owners are making. You&#8217;re blaming everyone else because you don&#8217;t like the outcome.</p>
<p>I have to say, while I&#8217;m a democrat, most of my friends are either Republicans or conservative leaning independents. We get along just fine, and we have some interesting debates from time to time. It&#8217;s you die-hard right wingers that are so frustrating. You&#8217;re so blinded by your ideology that you refuse to recognize any facts that don&#8217;t agree with that ideology. The NFL doesn&#8217;t keep losing anti-trust cases because everyone who rules against them is some raging liberal out to get every rich guy they can get their hands on. They keep losing because there arguments aren&#8217;t in line with anti-trust law. When it came to labor negotiations, they used to be protected by anti-trust exemptions that arose from the fact that the players were unionized and there was a negotiated cba in effect. That&#8217;s no longer the case, and so now those exemptions are gone. It&#8217;s as simple as that. The only way to rule against the players in this case is to rule that the decertification never happened. Since the players have the right to dissolve the union, and since they followed the appropriate process to do so, that&#8217;s hard to prove in court.</p>
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		<title>By: mdh67</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the owners&#039; strategy has been to starve players out regardless of the legal merits of their position.  They knew they could engage in a lockout for some period of time to put pressure on the players. 

I don&#039;t think it is likely their attorneys led them down this road with bad advice.  I am sure they were advised that losing on lockout was a possibility or even a likelihood.  Certainly attorneys can drink their own kool-ade but I cannot believe they would have told the owners the lock out was a guaranteed winning strategy.  I am sure their are many  memos on this point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the owners&#8217; strategy has been to starve players out regardless of the legal merits of their position.  They knew they could engage in a lockout for some period of time to put pressure on the players. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it is likely their attorneys led them down this road with bad advice.  I am sure they were advised that losing on lockout was a possibility or even a likelihood.  Certainly attorneys can drink their own kool-ade but I cannot believe they would have told the owners the lock out was a guaranteed winning strategy.  I am sure their are many  memos on this point.</p>
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		<title>By: salmen76</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doesn&#039;t look like to me i already said it cuz yall won&#039;t post it. Two different things here moderator man. What a job? Moderator man. What cha gonna be when you grow up? Ha Ha. I kill me. Geaux Saints!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t look like to me i already said it cuz yall won&#8217;t post it. Two different things here moderator man. What a job? Moderator man. What cha gonna be when you grow up? Ha Ha. I kill me. Geaux Saints!</p>
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		<title>By: pappysarcasm</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is BS. The communist liberal socialist wasteland we call minnesota of has once again spewed vial chiat all over a good thing! Since when does/can a court order a businessman to take on partners?! The owners should all declare their businesses shut down and declare firesales of all team equipment and facilities, on the day camps would have otherwise opened!   

The owners may have had poor legal strategy knowing the odds they are facing in that COURT, but they are right that they should not be forced to share any revenue or open there books or anything else these criminals are demanding!

Option 12: if the players win, all high $$ veterans are cut immediately, and sign a 53 man roster of undrafted rookies for $30 and hour with a minimum obamacare and no pension of anykind!

What a pitiful place this country has turned into!  :(]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is BS. The communist liberal socialist wasteland we call minnesota of has once again spewed vial chiat all over a good thing! Since when does/can a court order a businessman to take on partners?! The owners should all declare their businesses shut down and declare firesales of all team equipment and facilities, on the day camps would have otherwise opened!   </p>
<p>The owners may have had poor legal strategy knowing the odds they are facing in that COURT, but they are right that they should not be forced to share any revenue or open there books or anything else these criminals are demanding!</p>
<p>Option 12: if the players win, all high $$ veterans are cut immediately, and sign a 53 man roster of undrafted rookies for $30 and hour with a minimum obamacare and no pension of anykind!</p>
<p>What a pitiful place this country has turned into!  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: salmen76</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[salmen76]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Moderator is only posting comments favorable to his cause, The League&quot;. Ha Ha. Whether you posts our comments or not will not change the fact the lockout has been lifted. YOU LOSE. Players win, Fans win. We are what matters most anyway. The players endure the playing and we the fans endure the Paying. Owners do nothing whats so ever besides just be rich. Geaux Saints!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moderator is only posting comments favorable to his cause, The League&#8221;. Ha Ha. Whether you posts our comments or not will not change the fact the lockout has been lifted. YOU LOSE. Players win, Fans win. We are what matters most anyway. The players endure the playing and we the fans endure the Paying. Owners do nothing whats so ever besides just be rich. Geaux Saints!</p>
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