Chester Pitts calls Goodell a “fraud,” Pash a “consistent turd”

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In an interview with Brock and Salk on 710 ESPN Seattle, Seahawks guard Chester Pitts agreed with the hosts that Commissioner Roger Goodell is a “fraud.”

Comparing Goodell to NFL general counsel Jeff Pash, Pitts applauded Pash for being consistent.  “He’s a consistent turd,” Pitts said.

The focal point of the current criticism seems to be Goodell’s recent comments regarding the long-term threat to the game posed by the antitrust lawsuit filed after decertification of the union.  But while plenty of people simply assume that the players aren’t really attacking the draft, the antitrust lawsuit orchestrated by the NFLPA* is poised to challenge any rules imposed by the league against a non-union workforce as violations of the antitrust laws.  Though an attack on the draft can be brushed off as a leverage play for now, that leverage can become reality as the lawsuit progresses.

Then there’s the fact that, without a labor deal in place, any future draft pick can choose to attack the draft.  The presence of a CBA that applies to multiple employers protects those employers against antitrust violations.  Without that CBA, the employers are vulnerable — both to attacks from the players formerly in the union and from players who would have been in the union.

Yes, the league pushed the players into the corner by threatening a lockout.  Yes, the league should have realized that the players could decertify the union and strip away the protections against antitrust violations.  But the players are the ones prepared to argue that any rules imposed moving forward by the NFL violate the antitrust laws.  After Saturday, the 2012 draft becomes one of those rules that potentially violate the antitrust laws.

But while the NFL hasn’t recognized its role in the current predicament, the players flatly refuse to acknowledge that their affirmative actions have indeed set the stage for an assault on the draft and any other devices aimed at securing competitive balance.

91 responses to “Chester Pitts calls Goodell a “fraud,” Pash a “consistent turd”

  1. Yes Chester, because mature & intelligent comments like that are really going to improve the situation….sounds like he might be an expert on turds.

  2. The owners got arrogant and decided they were going to teach the hired help a lesson. The problem is the ‘hired help’ was right in the first place.
    The players are right to continue to gain as much leverage as possible right now. They can always negotiate it back to the league in a new CBA. Reminding the owners how good they had it before they unilaterally walked away from the current CBA is probably a good thing for the future of football.

  3. The players have nothing to lose. They will be out of the league in 2 to 10 years. They don’t care if they ruin the game by killing the draft and the salary cap. As long as they get paid as much as possible over the next few years. The league has everything to lose because they want whats best for the game in the long run, that’s why I support the owners.

    I don’t support the owners cuz I care if some dudes I never met get rich, or cuz I hate the players, I do it cuz I love the game of football. I do have a problem with whatever players are behind this but other than that I don’t care if they get filthy rich, as long as it is not at the expense of the game.

    And anyone who says the players aren’t attacking the draft or the salary cap, you do know they are suing to stop the draft and the salary cap right? That is a fact.

  4. Yes the owners canceled the last CBA. Yes the players had no problem with the NFL as it was being played… but hey, don’t let facts get in the way of a good player bashing.

  5. Thank you Mike, for telling it like it is. Too many of your colleagues – Mike Silver, Joe Posnanski, Gene Wojesomethingski – wear their pro-union stripes instead of getting at the truth.

  6. As far as Goodell and the owners are concerned, in a perfect world they would pay the players $10 a game.

    Anything they say other than that is simply not the truth.

  7. And Chester Pitts is a fat ass moron who could just as easily be a fry cook super sizing my fry’s. Really, talk about idiotic comments and biting the hand that buys your mansions and lifestyle. Somebody post this guys Wundelic scores. I’m betting lower teens.

  8. You seem to have an all-consuming focus on how awful it would be to eliminate the draft, Mike.

    Yes, the draft is at risk. But to that I say, so what? Free agency and salary cap rules are arguably as important, or more important, to competitive balance in the league. And those clearly fall in an anti-trust lawsuit.

    Moreover, whoever said that competitive balance was the prime directive for the NFL? Sure, competitive balance keeps more fans, in more cities, interested, because their home team is more likely to have a shot each year. But plenty of fans watch baseball, and baseball can hardly be said to have competitive balance. If football had to live by baseball rules, would that be so terrible?

    Really, there’s no need to bring the danger to the draft into every single story. The draft might not survive an anti-trust challenge. We get it. Move on.

  9. “But while plenty of people simply assume that the players aren’t really attacking the draft, the antitrust lawsuit orchestrated by the NFLPA* is poised to challenge any rules imposed by the league against a non-union workforce as violations of the antitrust laws. Though an attack on the draft can be brushed off as a leverage play for now, that leverage can become reality as the lawsuit progresses…”

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    I understand that the low IQ 9-5 lifer/cubicle dwellers that make up most of the commentariat on here would fall for the Goodell “doomsday scenario”. I guessed a lawyer that owns a website would be smart enough not to drink the Kool Aid.

    I guessed wrong!

  10. Good for Chester. Goodell is a fraud, and more importantly an idiot. Can we please have a new Commish to represent this league?

  11. “Then there’s the fact that, without a labor deal in place, any future draft pick can choose to attack the draft. The presence of a CBA that applies to multiple employers protects those employers against antitrust violations. Without that CBA, the employers are vulnerable — both to attacks from the players formerly in the union and from players who would have been in the union.”

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    All true. Makes you wonder why the owners walked away from the CBA and the labor peace they enjoyed.

    Oh yeah–GREED!

  12. If pitts could play like he runs mouth he might be relevant. He is just a moronic sideshow freak in this whole mess….shut up pizzle.

  13. Wonder if Chester has ever heard of Jim Jones, no relation to Jerry. Because if Chester keeps drinking the Kool Aid he and the rest of the players are gonna DeKessler right off the bridge.

  14. This is actually pretty funny…
    …considering what a “consistent turd” Pitts played like while a Texan. And what a “fraud” of a 2nd round pick he was.

    Is this clown even in the league?

  15. Turd maybe, but consistent? You can insult a guy without having to crawl all up inside of him like that.

  16. I don’t think the players on the whole have thought about the reprecussions of their actions. No draft, no cap limits, no cap floor, loss of true parity where any team is truly capable of competing for a championship at least once a decade….

    Remember guys, baseball was once the most popular sport in America….by far. Don’t go down that same path because of your desire to stick it to the owners.

  17. i think the smart players are minding their own business, working out, saving their money and staying off the airwaves so they dont make a fool of themselves like this dude.

  18. Fans like the draft because it gives them something to talk about and a great excuse to park their lazy rears on the couch for 3 days.

    The owners know this and are overplaying the “players are trying to kill the draft” card just to garner favor with the dolts that troll this site.

    If you people had half a clue, you’d see right through this flimsy ploy for what it really is. The owners are deathly afraid of losing the draft not because they care about the fans, but b/c they lose the right to indenture young talent for their prime years. If Goodell came out and said that, players like Pitts and writers like Woj wouldn’t continue to bash him.

  19. I think the concern for the 2012 draft is sort of ridiculous with all the other issues in the NFL right now.

    The 2011 draft is going to happen.

    A bigger issue is the current players right to free agency.

    You have said all along that without a cap, there is also no floor.

    Without a CBA, the owners can have the savings they wanted in the first place, they just cannot have all the benefits of a CBA without paying the costs.

  20. It seems like very few players are actually keeping up with what is going on. Calling Goodell names is fine with me, but DeMaurice is certainly attacking the draft, among other things. i understand it’s about leverage but for those of us who do pay attention, it’s DeMaurice who should be getting the criticism for not negotiating in good faith.

  21. “The focal point of the current criticism ”

    We all know you meant to say “fecal point”

  22. Will the players ever figure out that the only thing they do when they speak out like fools they only hurt their case?

  23. Name-calling seems to be what players do best. Arguments usually devolve into name-calling by the side that feels like it’s losing the argument.

    If players don’t have anything of significance to add, they should just be quiet. If you want to call out the opposing representation, do it by making a point. Character assassination isn’t making a valid point. And if you do make a valid point and use references such as players have been doing, it takes away any validity of your point.

  24. How would the players would react if the owners started calling them names? If you lack the intelligence to make a valid argument, resort to name calling. Sad.

    Never buying a jersey of an active player again. I’ll buy a legacy jersey to support my team.

  25. I’d say his statement is 100% accurate. Goodell is the biggest phony around and the number one reason why us fans are in this situation right now. The owners started this fight, and it looks like the players are on their way to finishing it.

  26. It is painfully obvious that the players do not want to get rid of the draft, the league minimus, benefits, or anything else that is part of the previous CBAs. NONE have come out and say that is what they want. This shows exactly that the decertification and lawsuits are all just leverage plays and a means to get a better CBA for them.

    BUT, this is quickly evoling in to a “be careful what you wish for” type situation. It seems like the NFLPA has overplayed their cards with this. They are playing the nuclear option and it may very well work.

    HOWEVER, although the league “appears” to be disoriented right now, be sure that they have all contingency plans covered. They knew this would possibly happen. And don’t be surprised if the owner play their own nuclear card or have something else up their sleeve.

  27. If there is no union there cannot be a draft. There’s no union to sign off for it, and it would be a violation of anti-trust law.

    That’s just the way the law works.

  28. The labor dispute is a FRAUD and the players/owners are TURDS. Fans need to have the balls to make both sides pay – by not suckling right up to the the NFL teet like nothing ever happened when this is all over.

  29. Heres another good example why unions are a joke!!! nfl this is a good thing only to be destroyed by greedy employees!!!!! they bankrupt any buisness they sink their teeth into!! gm bankrupt,chrysler bankrupt,city schools bankrupt,steel workers bankrupt,soon to be nfl will stand for =not for long!!!unions should be happy now.lol

  30. “Though an attack on the draft can be brushed off as a leverage play for now, that leverage can become reality as the lawsuit progresses.”

    How is that the players’ fault? Given that the players are the ones who were content with the 2010 status quo and the owners are the ones who are pressing the issue, the fact that the draft will eventually go away along with the CBA and the Union can only be blamed on the owners. The players want nothing more than for things to go back to the way they just were. The owners are the ones holding football, and the draft, hostage.

    The idea that the players are “attacking the draft” seems frankly like a PR ploy to turn the fans, who love the draft, against the players. The draft can only exist alongside a CBA, and the owners are the ones who voided the old one.

  31. The players have already decided that the risk of blowing up the past setup is better than agreeing to the owners’ offer. Now it’s up to the owners to accept that their legal defense is futile and decide if accepting the players’ offer is better than blowing up everything.

  32. Food For Thought.

    Since the NFLPA is now openly attacking the draft and FA, and the delay tactics of the NFL owners in opening the new season after Nelson’s ruling, does anyone else get the sense that the Owners want to get through this draft and then shut the NFL down next week, after they have aquired the rights to drafted players? I think the owners and the league have looked at the NHL when the owners shut it down for a year until the league and their union reached a deal that was more favorable to the owners. I think we are headed in the same direction if the owners don’t get relief from the 8th circuit.

  33. smacklayer says:
    Apr 27, 2011 2:42 PM
    although the league “appears” to be disoriented right now, be sure that they have all contingency plans covered. They knew this would possibly happen. And don’t be surprised if the owner play their own nuclear card or have something else up their sleeve.

    Like what?

    Seriously, your imagination is getting carried away.

  34. Can we just flush the turd known as Chester Pitts? He’s already shown his ignorance but continues to show his lack of knowledge of the entire matter.

    I’m pretty sure if anyone else called there boss this they would be fired on the spot. I hope these players gets what’s coming to them.

  35. THIS is who the players want to represent and negotiate on their behalf?! Better set much higher standards players. No wonder this is where it is today.

  36. I don’t understand how people can criticize the owner for walking away from the previous CBA — they had the right to do so.

    If you had the right to opt out of an agreement because you though you could get (and deserved) more favorable terms in your personal lives, you would do so. If it was your money, it would be a wise financial decision. When it’s somebody else’s money, it’s greed.

    Let’s be clear: if the players thought they were on the short end of the agreement, they would have opted out as well.

    Also, can somebody explain to me how the NFL (or any league) function without violating antitrust agreements? The teams have to play to each other using a commonly agreed to set of rules for games to take place —- seems very collusive to me.

  37. @jakek2 and @clintonportishead, both of you keep saying that the fans who happen to support the owners are low IQ clueless idiots that believe the “doomsday scenario”. Both of you seem incapable of acknowledging indisputable facts. You have the opinion that the players are not really attacking the draft or salary caps, etc. but they are simply using this as leverage. OK, fine let’s pretend for a moment that you are right. Follow that to its logical conclusion then. That means that it is simply a leverage ploy for future negotiations (because they really aren’t attacking the things cited in the lawsuit). That ploy would not work unless there was no anti-trust exemption provided by the union’s agreement to a CBA. The only way to get that leverage was to decertify. The problem is that the union keeps claiming that the decert is not a sham and even wanted language in the CBA that the league could not argue that its future usage was a sham in an anti-trust case. Both of you claimed it was not a sham on several previous posts yet you are destroying what little credibility you had in order to make it seem like the players are not so bad on this point. If your IQs were half of what you think they are, you should see that. Do you know why the union does not want the sham argument to be addressed in court? Because that tactic is illegal in labor disputes. All of the anti-trust mumbo-jumbo would come to a screeching halt if the NLRB finds that the players’ decertification was a tactic to gain leverage. Either they plan on recertifying the union so that there is a CBA that provides the exemption or they are actually attempting to kill the competitive balance policies that have made the league successful. You can’t have it both ways, no matter how hard you try to distort reality.

  38. Heres another good example why unions are a joke!!! nfl this is a good thing only to be destroyed by greedy employees!!!!! they bankrupt any buisness they sink their teeth into!! gm bankrupt,chrysler bankrupt,city schools bankrupt,steel workers bankrupt,soon to be nfl will stand for =not for long!!!unions should be happy now.lol
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    Joey – Unions built this country and those industries you mentioned were just fine for the last 100 years up until your people elected that dolt to bring it all crashing down.

  39. Players like Pitts should be immediately released and barred from ever playing again as soon as this mess is finally resolved. Just another jerk player heard from. Get in line, take your best shot then GOODBYE.

  40. Name Calling? Yeah that will solve the labor dispute. Pitts should be concerned about his damn career. Cause Goddell going to be ok. He will be getting paid for the next 10-15 years.

    All the while Pitts will be long and forgetten in the NFL.

    Every day they waste in the courtroom, is money out their pocket.

    F- Both sides!

    PLAY FOOTBALL!

  41. Over the last few days (since the injunction) this has been the case. This is exactly what will happen to the league if there is no CBA. Unions are ones that killed big businesses and even countries. No one is saying owners are right, but players are definitely not right in not seeing what this can come to if there is no CBA. There will be no law, all the rich teams (big market) will get the best players and all the small market and historically sound teams (GB, BUF, Jacksonville, Tampa to name a few) will go bankrupt in no time. What I see is a disaster for football, the sport everyone of use love and wait for!

  42. Maybe the owners can just say Ok, you guys can make your own reservations for your flights to the games along with paying your hotel and food bills.

    Getting to the and from the games from your hotel and the field and back to the airport. Get your NFLPA to cover your benefits when you have concussions or tear an ACL, break your arm or your neck.

    Just sit down and get it done w/o the big a-holes shooting off their gums.

  43. @bobbyd12
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    bobbyd12 says:

    And Chester Pitts is a fat ass moron who could just as easily be a fry cook super sizing my fry’s. Really, talk about idiotic comments and biting the hand that buys your mansions and lifestyle. Somebody post this guys Wundelic scores. I’m betting lower teens.
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    says the guy who can’t spell Wonderlic… lol

  44. joey49er says:
    Heres another good example why unions are a joke!!! nfl this is a good thing only to be destroyed by greedy employees!!!!! they bankrupt any buisness they sink their teeth into!! gm bankrupt,chrysler bankrupt,city schools bankrupt,steel workers bankrupt,soon to be nfl will stand for =not for long!!!unions should be happy now.lol

    I don’t think this poster likes unions very much, so he should be happy.

    Very happy.

    Let me explain:

    1. The players no longer want to have a union, and according to the judge’s ruling they no longer are a union.

    2. The owners were every bit as much a union as the players…until yesterday. Now they must operate as separate entities, and may no longer be unified.

    So all the anti-union folks should be dancing in the streets now.

  45. Some of you are really ignorant and have no clue.

    1. EITHER the owners OR the players could have withdrawn from the CBA early. That it was the owners that decided to do it has led to a lot of people bashing only the owners. How would those same people have felt if the players had done it?

    2. What is it with these players and the namecalling? That is so juvenile and so petty. Chester Pitts, I’m pretty sure was on IR last year anyway if not out of the league completely, cut by Seattle.

    3. If the players aren’t trying to kill the draft for the future, why hasn’t Smith and his cronies come out and said it? And for all of you with the argument that “baseball is okay…”, baseball has a draft and they also have a 162 game schedule–not a 16 game schedule where players would make more difference.

    4. Its strange that when the owners withdrew from the CBA early, the players were saying how they’d agree to play this season under the current CBA–now they’re saying that all the player acquisition protocol–something THESE players have consistently agreed to over the years, are now all illegal under antitrust rules.

    5. I wonder haow many of you actually followed the NFL before 1993–the Cowboys, Vikings, Rams, Cards, and Skins, 49ers in the NFC and the Raiders, Chiefs, Dolphins, Steelers, Broncos in the AFC were the only teams that consistently made the playoffs. With no player acquisition rules in place, you’d see the big market and popular teams attract all the big name players–the Cowboys, Skins, Pats, Giants, Jets, maybe the Steelers and Eagles would rule the NFL. The small market teams would have a hrd time competing in that environment. Plus, only 5% of the players or the big money superstars would be making millions, while the supporting cast would be making pennies in comparison–there wouldn’t be any floor–meaning teams could pay as little as they want–and wouldn’t be any ceiling on what they would pay players.

    6. Why hasn’t Smith come out and said their aim is not to destory the draft and FA rules? In every interview he’s conducted and the question asked, he’s danced around it.

    7. Why, if they are clear cut winners in court, do they need additional leverage?

    8. And finally, if they get their way, it’ll be the fams that pay for the new CBA. Player costs and benefits will go up, which means ticket prices, tv subscription prices, and everything associated with those things will go up. Right now, it costs a family of 4 approximately $400 on ONE Sunday to attend a game–parking, concessions, tickets, the smallest soft drinks, 4 hot dogs, a program and 4 hats. And if you think I’m joking, 2 1/2 years ago I took my middle daughter to an Eagles game–we spent $190 for two tickets–we got two small diet cokes for $5.00 each, and we spent $5.50 each for two hot dogs–a program was $10.00 each, and parking was $25.00. So that was $246 for two of us.

  46. Btw, why is it that so many people here who are lined up against the players in the name of the “free market” all of a sudden want to keep things like the draft, the salary cap, and profit sharing – all of which fly in the face of free market capitalism?

    Hypocrites.

  47. dcviking says: Apr 27, 2011 3:10 PM

    I don’t understand how people can criticize the owner for walking away from the previous CBA — they had the right to do so. …

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    You are partially right. Yes they had the negotiated right to opt out. But since they chose to exercise that right they must be held fully accountable for the effects of that choice. And that effect is a labor war.

    The opting out owners attempt to make the players look like the bad guys is a giant fraud and insults the intelligence of anyone with an IQ over 85.

  48. @tommyf15 says: “Like what?”

    Like anything they want now that there is no CBA to constrain them. A few things that come to my mind are cancelling the season, cancelling benefits, having a 20 game season, having full pad practices everday from now until forever, requireing very difficult performance benchmarks, having full blood tests for drugs twice a day, etc.

    If the owners wanted to, they could make being an NFL football player a VERY bad profession. They obvciously don’t want to do this because they are looking at the game as whole are trying to protect it. Be the more and more you push them and the more you force them in to bad business decisions, there will be a snapping point.

    Again, be careful what you wish for.

  49. What a joke.

    You notice all the dumb namecalling is coming from one side.

    You don’t see Jerry Jones calling De Smith any names or Jerry Richardson saying Kessler is s consistant fraud…I know they may in private or whatever, but they are smart enough to know that childish namecalling is pathetic.

    The players have made this personal and that is what’s really sorry and petty.

  50. Stop it with the players are “attacking” the draft. This isn’t a chicken and egg argument. How many of the owners draft people for their other businesses? When you come out of college, if you’ve worked hard enough and are lucky you get offers! Doctors, Lawyers, teachers and MBA’s get them. That’s free enterprise.

    You really think that ALL of the owners want the draft because of “competitive balance? Owners can’t trust themselves and the draft has been legal because it’s part of the CBA. The players in a prior contract actually bargained free agency back to the owners.

    The antitrust lawsuit is a bargaining chip, just like the 18 game schedule. Man if Goodell said that the moon was made of cheese some of you guys would believe it.

  51. manderson367 says:
    Apr 27, 2011 2:38 PM
    How would the players would react if the owners started calling them names? If you lack the intelligence to make a valid argument, resort to name calling. Sad.

    Never buying a jersey of an active player again. I’ll buy a legacy jersey to support my team.

    ================

    Remember how big an issue the media made of a supposed “fist bump” of Jerry Jones? Yet the players have no problem calling the league and commissioner whatever derogatory names they feel like.

    If they were called even one of the names they’ve been calling the owners/league they’d be doing a fullcourt press crying about the lack of respect.

  52. Chester got on local radio here in Houston a while back, and all the guy could do was try and place full blame on the owners, and any time anyone, including show hosts, tried to suggest the players shared in a good part of the blame and were maybe being unreasonable on certain points, he did his best to turn it around and shield the players and the NFLPA* from any sort of liability in this mess.

    It was just overtly political, and one of the most disgusting things I’ve had the misfortune to listen to since this shebacle got going. It really got me leaning towards the owners, and the past couple weeks have only kept pushing me away from neutrality.

    TL;DR: Shut your ass, Chester.

  53. smacklayer says:
    Apr 27, 2011 2:42 PM
    It is painfully obvious that the players do not want to get rid of the draft, the league minimus, benefits, or anything else that is part of the previous CBAs. NONE have come out and say that is what they want. This shows exactly that the decertification and lawsuits are all just leverage plays and a means to get a better CBA for them.

    BUT, this is quickly evoling in to a “be careful what you wish for” type situation. It seems like the NFLPA has overplayed their cards with this. They are playing the nuclear option and it may very well work.

    HOWEVER, although the league “appears” to be disoriented right now, be sure that they have all contingency plans covered. They knew this would possibly happen. And don’t be surprised if the owner play their own nuclear card or have something else up their sleeve.
    ————————-

    You have made a fatal flaw in your argument.

    1) Many players are not aware of the lawyer’s strategy (ie. attacking the draft, etc). Steven Jackson called it an outright lie because he didn’t know what was going on. Other players have come out earlier in the offseason calling the league liars without realizing that they just weren’t important enough to be informed by their own side of what was going on.

    2) Since they decertified it doesn’t matter what the players think as they don’t have a voice in the proceedings. If the lawyers decide to take this all the way to the end, the players have to live with the results.

    When it comes to the future of their own careers most of the players have their heads in the sand.

  54. Well, no one will ever have the chance to say “Chester Pitts, what a classy guy” now.

  55. @eaglebobby
    Some of you are really ignorant and have no clue.

    1. EITHER the owners OR the players could have withdrawn from the CBA early. That it was the owners that decided to do it has led to a lot of people bashing only the owners. How would those same people have felt if the players had done it?

    2. What is it with these players and the namecalling? That is so juvenile and so petty. Chester Pitts, I’m pretty sure was on IR last year anyway if not out of the league completely, cut by Seattle.

    3. If the players aren’t trying to kill the draft for the future, why hasn’t Smith and his cronies come out and said it? And for all of you with the argument that “baseball is okay…”, baseball has a draft and they also have a 162 game schedule–not a 16 game schedule where players would make more difference.

    4. Its strange that when the owners withdrew from the CBA early, the players were saying how they’d agree to play this season under the current CBA–now they’re saying that all the player acquisition protocol–something THESE players have consistently agreed to over the years, are now all illegal under antitrust rules.

    5. I wonder haow many of you actually followed the NFL before 1993–the Cowboys, Vikings, Rams, Cards, and Skins, 49ers in the NFC and the Raiders, Chiefs, Dolphins, Steelers, Broncos in the AFC were the only teams that consistently made the playoffs. With no player acquisition rules in place, you’d see the big market and popular teams attract all the big name players–the Cowboys, Skins, Pats, Giants, Jets, maybe the Steelers and Eagles would rule the NFL. The small market teams would have a hrd time competing in that environment. Plus, only 5% of the players or the big money superstars would be making millions, while the supporting cast would be making pennies in comparison–there wouldn’t be any floor–meaning teams could pay as little as they want–and wouldn’t be any ceiling on what they would pay players.

    6. Why hasn’t Smith come out and said their aim is not to destory the draft and FA rules? In every interview he’s conducted and the question asked, he’s danced around it.

    7. Why, if they are clear cut winners in court, do they need additional leverage?

    8. And finally, if they get their way, it’ll be the fams that pay for the new CBA. Player costs and benefits will go up, which means ticket prices, tv subscription prices, and everything associated with those things will go up. Right now, it costs a family of 4 approximately $400 on ONE Sunday to attend a game–parking, concessions, tickets, the smallest soft drinks, 4 hot dogs, a program and 4 hats. And if you think I’m joking, 2 1/2 years ago I took my middle daughter to an Eagles game–we spent $190 for two tickets–we got two small diet cokes for $5.00 each, and we spent $5.50 each for two hot dogs–a program was $10.00 each, and parking was $25.00. So that was $246 for two of us.

    _______________________

    The owners are the ones who walked away- there’s no need for me to examine how I’d have felt if the players had.
    There’s no reason to let the owners off the hook on the draft yet.
    This ain’t McDonald’s, the product is the players and if you think all the concession prices were set by the NFLPA you’re sadly mistaken. The only difference is how much of that money goes in Lurie’s pocket instead of the players.

  56. smacklayer says:
    Like anything they want now that there is no CBA to constrain them.

    Smacklayer, I’m afraid you don’t get it. The anti-trust laws would constrain them from doing any of the things you suggested.

  57. Finfan68 says it best: you can’t simultaneously argue that the union is only seeking leverage via decertification and that said decertification isn’t a sham.

    You cannot have it both ways. If it’s merely a negotiating ploy, than it’s a sham. If the union is being genuine and really wants to kill the draft etc., then I think it’s pretty clear who true fans ought to support.

    Lastly, just to make a point about being a man: if you are going to hold a gun to someone’s head, you had better mean it. If it’s “leverage” you seek then you are lower than the lowest scum.

    Bring on the replacements.

  58. No matter which way you lean in this thing, if you’re being honest, you’ll admit Goodell is an ineffective commissioner who routinely pushes policies fans do not support saying “the fans want this.” When the labor dispute is resolved, it would be better for league harmony if he resigned.

  59. tednancy says:
    Bring on the replacements.

    It would be unlawful for the owners to bring in replacements in this situation.

    That can only occur when there is a strike and a union. In this case, there is neither.

  60. tommyf15 says:
    Apr 27, 2011 6:33 PM
    tednancy says:
    Bring on the replacements.

    It would be unlawful for the owners to bring in replacements in this situation.

    That can only occur when there is a strike and a union. In this case, there is neither.
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    They could fire or lay off people and then hire new people.

  61. And one day when rodger the turd has you in his office and your paychecks are at risk remember today

    Sooner all later the games will start and aholes like this will get fined or busted and oh well then it will be up to Rodger the turd to set things right

  62. tommyf15 says:
    Apr 27, 2011 7:20 PM
    eagleswin says:
    They could fire or lay off people and then hire new people.

    Incorrect.

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    When i say they, i mean the individual teams. Do you care to elaborate why i am incorrect?

  63. tommyf15 says:

    “It would be unlawful for the owners to bring in replacements in this situation.

    “That can only occur when there is a strike and a union. In this case, there is neither.”

    Unlawful? This ain’t Perry Mason, dude – it’s the real world. Of course it’s not unlawful to bring in other players. So long as they honor existing contracts, the owners can bring in whomever they want.

    Don’t you ever get tired of being wrong?

  64. eagleswin says:
    When i say they, i mean the individual teams. Do you care to elaborate why i am incorrect?

    In the context of the conversation it seemed like you meant “all of the owners”.

    The individual teams could obviously hire whoever they’d like, but if it looked like collusion or retaliation the NFL owners would be in some seriously hot water.

  65. Who the hell calls an attorney a “consistent turd”???

    Shouldn’t you be at least playing decently in order to have the audacity to that???

  66. Both sides would dearly love to have the fans on their side in the Public Relations war.

    Knowing this, with all of the dumb things coming out of the players mouths lately, why do I have the overwhelming feeling that Goddell, behind closed doors, is telling the owners “just keep quiet fellas the players are doing all of the work for us”.

    Seriously, Demaurice Smith please issue a “hey, guys, please stop saying stupid things as it’s hurting us” directive to the rank and file already?

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