Report: Owners get stay of injunction, lockout back on

AP

Although NFL players were being welcomed back to team facilities this morning because of Judge Susan Nelson’s injunction to end the lockout, that is changing this afternoon.

ESPN is reporting that the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit has granted a temporary stay of the injunction and reinstated the lockout, meaning players will now be told to hit the road, and doors to team facilities are being locked this afternoon.

Michael Silver of Yahoo reported this afternoon that NFL players were bracing for a ruling from the Court of Appeals that would give the owners an “administrative” stay, meaning the lockout would be back on at least through the weekend.

Then, as soon as Monday, the Eighth Circuit will hear the players’ argument against a stay. At that point, the lockout could remain on, or the players could be let back in, depending on the Eighth Circuit’s ruling. And either way, it would just be temporary until the appeals court makes a decision on the owners’ appeal of Judge Nelson’s ruling.

So just hours after players were let back into team facilities this morning, they’ll now be told that they’re no longer welcome this afternoon. And we’ll all wait until Monday to see what the appeals court does next.

UPDATE: ESPN has now retracted its report that the stay was already granted, although a stay is expected.

138 responses to “Report: Owners get stay of injunction, lockout back on

  1. The owners are doing everything possible to not have a 2011 season,..like the NHL did,..the NHL owners got what they wanted by losing a year,..the NFL will not play in 2011.

  2. you greedy bastards. these players put their lives on the line while you sit in a luxury box! the game costs people’s lives, while you sip a martini and get rich!

    SHAME ON YOU, YOU GREEDY BASTARDS

  3. At least players had time to pick up playbooks.

    Imagine how much fans will boo Goodell tonight.

  4. Awful news, but hopefully the “administrative” stay is just a formality so the Appeals court can give proper attention to the arguments.

  5. Lockout off…lockout back on…lockout off…lockout back on…

    (Why do I keep seeing a vision of a bunch of yo-yos?)

  6. The legal process at it’s finest!

    Here’s an idea.. let’s drill another hole in the sinking lifeboat since we started making progress patching up that other one.

  7. lovesportsandsurfing says: Apr 29, 2011 1:51 PM

    The owners are doing everything possible to not have a 2011 season,..like the NHL did,..the NHL owners got what they wanted by losing a year,..the NFL will not play in 2011.”

    ==============

    Of course they will. The owners are going to lose the appeal. In fact, I’ll be surprised if they get a long term stay next week.

  8. Finally, a judge that actually respects what the law actually says, instead of one who “interprets” it in favor of what the judge thinks it ought to say.

    Judge “Breakfast Club” Nelson, shut your piehole.

    Players, get back to the negotiating table and get a deal done NOW.

  9. This is getting ridiculous and I hope the NFL realizes it’s losing fans by the day. The draft allure has worn off now that the first round is over and we all just want normal offseason activities. With that not happening, expect massive tuning off.

    You’d think these guys would learn from the pro sports franchises before them that have also been down this path and in the end everyone lost, especially the fans.

  10. Anyone care to post how wonderful the owners are now and that they have all the right in the world to screw the players and the fans? Bravo, Jerry et al… Just when we started to buy back in, you manage to rain on our parade. Nice job, Dicks!

  11. Simply a terribly irresponsible decision… The ruling was made, these Judges had no right to override Nelson’s decision.

    this absolutely wreaks of corruption.

  12. So the court / judge can grant a stay on the injunction without hearing both sides’ arguements?? I have no legal background, but that sounds shady to me. Hey Mike can you shed some light on this topic? Also, I would like to know the judges name, so as a fan I can vote against him/her the next time.

  13. I don’t understand how anyone can really root for the players at this point. They want to get rid of the draft. They want to change FA in ways that will destroy competitive balance. What fan in their right mind wants this?

    You can be sympathetic to the players, but for the love of the game they CANNOT get their way in this…

  14. Worst players ever…. they are doing every possible to not have a 2011 season and ruin the game for the future.

  15. F’ing stupid…do they realize and I mean both sides they are only hurting themselves as this circus at this current pace will only put all teams behind the curve but more importantly the longer it continues the more fans I think they alienate…starting with me…

  16. The same could be said for the players leaving the negotiating table! This isn’t a one sided deal both sides are being stupid and using the courts for leverage in negotiating a new CBA.

    I am sick of this neithier side has the right to be wasting the courts time! One of these judges should just say Ok, you both have to go to binding arbitration and work this out!

  17. Yeah…these are the same owners that have the majority of PFT readers on their side.

    It’s ridiculous. How can you side with these guys? They’re the reason for no football. Not the players.

  18. Yes!

    This is what needs to be done for the long-term health of the league. Get this done right. Don’t let the players destroy the league.

  19. Lets do this. Jake Shields represents the players. St. Pierre respresents the owners. Whoever wins tonight decides if the lockout continues or not. Fair enough? At least those two battling will be better than listening to De Smith and Goodell do the “he said she said” crap.

  20. This is great news. I don’t want a half-assed NFL. I want EVERYTHING cleared up, and have there be NO threats of anti-trust lawsuits, before they open the camps back up. If this means we don’t have football camps, then that’s OK. Let’s not start up with no set rules.

    The true statement that should be made here is this…

    GET A FREAKING CBA SIGNED NOW GUYS!!!!!!!!!

  21. lovesportsandsurfing says:
    Apr 29, 2011 1:51 PM
    The owners are doing everything possible to not have a 2011 season,..like the NHL did,..the NHL owners got what they wanted by losing a year,..the NFL will not play in 2011.

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    Wrong- they’re doing everything possible to have a season….but under their terms. Same as the players………..

  22. At this rate they will be lucky if fans decide to show up for games whether they figure this out or not……amazing they are managing to ruin a great sport with an amazing fan support…What really makes me mad is the NFL got away with dragging their feet on starting a league year even though they had acourt order to end lockout….there pity story about having to scramble to set the new league year up is pathetic and they should have been prepared!!!!!!

  23. This action, along with Judge Nelson’s actions last week, are a wake up call to both sides to reach a compromise CBA now. This could go on for months or years in the courts with an unknown outcome. In the mean time, players aren’t being paid, owners are not receiving TV money and fans are seeing no games. A lose-lose-lose situation.

  24. Had enough anyone? This is the worst case scenario as I can tell. I have never been so disappointed in the NFL. Mommy make it go away.

  25. Bad news short term. Good news long term.

    Now both sides need to humbly come to the negotiating table and get a CBA done. Both need to concede and get a fair deal for both sides.

  26. The owners have already mucked the draft so they won’t be satisfied until they ruin the season as well. Why no details on the reasoning behind the unreasonable ruling?

  27. We are looking at a bad year of football regardless of an agreement, because by the time they get an agreement complete. The offseason will be gone, so teams will maybe have some preseason games to get new players or coaches time to prepare and get the gameplan complete…what a horrible offseason for football fans!

  28. This is getting ridiculous already. I’m honestly starting to believe that the owners don’t want to have a season. You guys could give me the thumbs down all you want for the comment but it’s true.

  29. Hey IDIOTS, don’t blame the owners, it takes two to negotiate and if one is De Smith then it takes a bunch more.

  30. Yep it’s true Shank just tweeted that the lockout is back on!!….So how does this work?? They just gave Ponder a playbook and now they are gonna take it away?? There is a big deal going on at Winter Park to introduce Ponder and all that and after that’s over they are gonna kick him out the door?? WTF?? Good thing the kid is really smart that’s why the Vikings reached. SKoL no matter what!!! Just get the damn thing done!

  31. “The owners are doing everything possible to not have a 2011 season,..like the NHL did,..the NHL owners got what they wanted by losing a year,..the NFL will not play in 2011.”

    Well, maybe the NFL players and their attorneys should learn a lesson from the NHL experience. The NHL players learned that they are not bigger than the game, than the league; that it is the league and the teams that live on, the players come and go. The NHL owners decided to not let the NHL union turn hockey into MLB. The NFL owners have thankfully decided the same.

    Any chance the NFLPA might listen to Tom Brady and compromise with the owners? According to all reports, except those of Smith, the owners and the players, based on the owners last offer, were really not that far apart. It seems that the only way Smith and Kessler will compromise is if they are forced to do so by a lockout and the threat of lost paychecks by the players.

  32. @thelomasbrowns says: Apr 29, 2011 1:49 PM

    Worst owners ever.

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    Like the players are any better? Much less the judge not seeing through the farce of the union disbanding knowing it’ll be reformed later?

  33. The owners told Judge Nelson this would happen–the courts have no jurisdiction in a labor dispute which is what this is–if the NLRB comes down and rules that the decertification was a sham from the start, all of a sudden, the leverage goes to the owners. And lest you boys forget, it was THE PLAYERS that walked away from negotiations. And before you bring out the tired argument that the owners waited too late to make a proposal, you will of course note that the players made NO COUNTERPROPOSAL, and decertified almost immediately. And this BS of the players had until 5pm to decertify on the day the CBA expired is bull as well; they could have waited until just before midnight to do it.

  34. Does this mean that the case before Judge Nelson cannot proceed at all pending the appeal?

    That would be awful, because the appeal could last two months.

    I hope that they resume negotiations toward a CBA on May 16th as previously planned.

  35. The sooner the lockout is lifted the sooner we will get a CBA. As long as the lockout is in place, we will have to continue to read all this litigation BS. If the owners were really serious about playing football this year, they would lift the lockout.

  36. Fact is the Owners should be allowed to Lock the Players out. Sorry but the decertification of the Untion is a COMPLETE SHAM AND BULL DOOKIE. The players have the right to go on strike and the owners have the right to lock out. Employees dont get to run the business, just like immates don’t get to run the prisons. So good for the court of appeals. The fact that Smith called what the owners proposed the worst in history is telling me the players are not compromising. They set the stage for all of this. Its not a right to play in the NFL. Those players can go take a 9 to 5 job paying 30k a year if they don’ like making 9 mil instead of 10. As far as the owners go, any saving they get should be given to the real people affect by this, the tax paying fans who pay for there damm stadiums and other things.

  37. Boycott the NFL in 2011 (or whenever this resolves). I’m not even joking.
    Show these turds that fans are not puppies who wag their tails five seconds after getting a smack on the nose.

  38. Well, the Union* is not exactly a bunch of innocent bystanders with the players being helpless victims.

    Remember, the Union said “lets negotiate”, while demanding audited financial statements, that they knew they would never get.

    Then the said, “screw you, we are not a Union* anymore.”

    The Union* reps are sleazebags as well.

  39. This is worst possible outcome for the NFL. All the goodwill from last night is flushed sown the toilet with a meaningless order from the appeals court that amounts to nothing more than a “time out.” While reinstating the lockout in the midst of the draft may not galvanize support for the players, it most certainly put Goodell in an unpleasant position when he opens the festivities tonight. I wonder if the retired players will decide not to participate in the 2nd round announcements under the circumstances. It might get loud tonight.

  40. god i hate the owners . i hope everyone can see who really wants to loose a football season. i dont know where the hell the owners think there going to make more money im done with this sport the friggin filthy rich bast__ds. im done no more season tickets no more buying anything with nfl on it nothing . go to hell owners

  41. I don’t understand the people who are all for the players…

    If the players get their way, there will be no draft, salary cap or any of the rules that allow all teams to have an equal playing field. In the end, they are going to destroy the golden goose.

    However, just from a purely individual fan perspective, we will be paying more money to consume the game of football.

    The players want more money, which means the cost will be passed onto fans.

    Player salary have increased around 461% from 1990 to 2009. From 356k to 2M.

    Who paid for that? The fans.

    We are talking about the average. We’re not talking about promotions here. You’re salary may have increased a great deal, but that would most likely be due to promotions.

    I doubt we are seeing that kind of salary growth anywhere else in the economy yet everyone is all for the players.

    Even though the goal of the players is to take more money out of your pocket.

  42. This is only a “mini-stay” to allow for further deliberation on whether a “big stay” will be granted by the 8th Circuit while their appellate review of Judge Nelson’s ruling moves forward. Nothing here really for the owners to write home about, yet… . Still, I think it was an appropriate decision by the appellate court.

  43. That’s it, I’m done. The NFL will not get anymore of my money. Maybe things will be easier for the owners/players if the pot to split isn’t as valuable as it is now.

  44. The fans are such fools and we deserve what we get. Those idiots last night chanting “We want football”. Doing that only lets the ownsers know you’re going to take whatever happens cause “please…don’t take football away from me!!!!’ A better thing to do would have been for fans to strike last night and not show up. Hang a sign from the balcony that said “Cancel the season at your own peril”….or “don’t take your customers for granted”. But instead, they grovelled and worshipped at the foot of the machine that is the NFL, like a jilted lover – on their knees chanting “please don’t leave me.”

  45. Guh, can we get some first-hand reporting instead of passing along rumors? I know this is on the Rumors/News page but this feels an awful lot like either

    – the players are hedging (preparing for the worst) and/or feeling weak or
    – the owners are trying to spread some fear about the actual ramifications of playing Red Light, Green Light with the lockout.

    As bad as it is for the fans, it’s worse for the freshly-drafted rookies who aren’t even going to have a chance to leverage that sliver of a window to get a hold of their playbooks.

    I hope these shenanigans won’t screw any players out of their workout bonuses.

  46. Just In: Several first round draft picks left the draft only to discover that their wallet was missing.

    A review of footage shows that Roger Goodell grabbed the wallets of several players during his ceremonial bear-hug. Details to follow.

  47. With luck, the stay will be in place. Perhaps the biggest lesson the players could take from NOT having football in 2011 is that the CHECK WRITERS run the business- not the McCooks flipping the burgers.

    Oh and Joe Blow Haden? Don’t know you, so you might be a 4th stringer, but…did you finish college? Just curious because 78% for the owners and 22% for the players does NOT mean the fans are on your side- idiot.

  48. these owner are f**king pathetic what did goodell say at the draft he wants football too no you don’t you are the worst person this just shows how stupid our legal system is where the judge can say no stay but the opposition can go right along around the judges back PATHETIC!!!!

  49. lovesportsandsurfing says:Apr 29, 2011 1:51 PM

    The owners are doing everything possible to not have a 2011 season,..like the NHL did,..the NHL owners got what they wanted by losing a year,..the NFL will not play in 2011.

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    The owners are doing everything possible to get the players away from the litigation table and back to the negotiation table.

    I have no doubt the players would rather be working than not but until the players want to negotiate both sides will continue to litigate and the lawyers will continue to prosper.

    The rhetoric from the players was very high during the NHL lockout as well with many player reps claiming that the players would never play under a salary cap and mocking the commissioner unmercifully.

    “The bottom line is, if they want a hard (salary) cap, we’ll sit out for the rest of our lives,” Toronto Maple Leafs union rep Bryan McCabe tells the Toronto Star.

    Dallas Stars’ Mike Modano said playing in the Central Hockey League for $400 a month “wouldn’t pay (for) my dog’s food.”

    And some other oldies but goodies from the NBA ..

    Minnesota Timberwolves’ Latrell Sprewell turned down a three-year, $27-million contract extension this summer. “I’ve got my family to feed,” he said.

    Vince Carter admitted to TNT host John Thompson that despite a $90- million contract extension he signed in 2001, he didn’t give everything he had to the Raptors and their fans.

  50. All the awesomeness of the NFL Draft has been taken from me with this news. Talk about the WORST news during one of the most exciting events. This is bad for business and will have major fan implications.

  51. Well, no surprises here… this is playing out exactly the way most thinking people thought it would.

    A lot has been made of the fact that the NFL loses, loses, then loses some more when it comes to legal action, but unless they’re doing something illegal (making it an easy call), the political mindset of the judges favors the owners from this point on…

  52. This should make all the draft picks choose a side very quickly. Give DAREUS A PLAYBOOK QUICK!!!!!! MAKE A COPY MARCELL!!!!

  53. If the players really want to play so bad, they should take the offer the owners had on the table at the end of mediation.

    The players were the ones not participating and negotiating… the owners made significant moves off of what they wanted… the players didn’t make a single move.

    The players want their cake, they want to eat it, they want someone else to buy it, and they want those people who bought it to keep investing in more cake.

    Top draft picks and quarterbacks are pocketing more cash per season than entire teams are making as business entities in profits.

    That’s not sustainable. For a long time people were able to see the players for what they are… now with a few court rulings people seem to be shifting to the players side.

    Nobody should feel sorry for the players… if the deal the owners are offering is so bad, they should find a better offer elsewhere.

    Pathetic that our government (which had Obama and congressmen saying that the league should figure out how to split up 9Bil without government intervention) is the entity dictating the terms and getting involved… the same government that can’t figure out how to split up a few trillion dollars to avoid a government shutdown.

  54. Finally found a judge(s) with their head out of their butts. Teach these greedy players what for. Amazing what happens when reasonable minds come to a decision. The players just may not get 90% of the owners money after all.

  55. Well, there goes any shot Cam Newton had of learning how to run an NFL offense by the beginning of the season.

  56. narutofan10 says:Apr 29, 2011 2:26 PM

    these owner are f**king pathetic what did goodell say at the draft he wants football too no you don’t you are the worst person this just shows how stupid our legal system is where the judge can say no stay but the opposition can go right along around the judges back PATHETIC!!!!

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    It’s also pathetic that the interpretation of the law depends on the venue. There’s a good chance that if the players had filed somewhere other than Minnesota it would be the players appealing right now and don’t fool yourself, the players would appeal just like the owners are.

  57. pacificamjr says:Apr 29, 2011 1:54 PM

    you greedy bastards. these players put their lives on the line while you sit in a luxury box! the game costs people’s lives, while you sip a martini and get rich!

    SHAME ON YOU, YOU GREEDY BASTARDS

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    I guess it’s happy hour somewhere. I’m sure Pat Tillman would have something to say about football players and putting his life on the line or at least he would if he hadn’t put football on hold to actually his life on the line.

  58. I like what owner Robert Kraft said about all of this nonsense:

    “In my opinion, we could get a deal done in the next week…If business people sat down on both sides, and we tried to get the lawyers in the background…Get lawyers away from table. Lawyers are deal breakers, not deal makers.” -Robert Kraft

  59. OH liberal get their a– handed to em….by a fair court? and not the liberal a.k.a ACTIVIST judges in minnesota.

  60. I’ve gone so back and forth on who I’m more ticked off at over this whole thing. Whenever one side seems to be the bad guy, the other one steps right up and trumps them.

  61. realitypolice says:Apr 29, 2011 2:37 PM

    Well, there goes any shot Cam Newton had of learning how to run an NFL offense by the beginning of the season.

    ——————

    He had no chance to begin with. He really needs to sit on the bench for a season and not be rushed unless he’s going to be used as a gimmic (ala Pat White or Tim Tebow).

  62. sucks to be a liberal right now….wonder when pft will start ranting about the players not serious about getting back to the negotiating table? OH wait they wont.

  63. wetpaperbag,
    If the union only consisted of players(employees) and not lawyers? half the worlds problems are solved overnight.

  64. gdpont says:Apr 29, 2011 2:13 PM

    This is worst possible outcome for the NFL. All the goodwill from last night is flushed sown the toilet with a meaningless order from the appeals court that amounts to nothing more than a “time out.” While reinstating the lockout in the midst of the draft may not galvanize support for the players, it most certainly put Goodell in an unpleasant position when he opens the festivities tonight. I wonder if the retired players will decide not to participate in the 2nd round announcements under the circumstances. It might get loud tonight.
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    Speaking of the retired players, maybe you should educate yourself on which side has been supporting the retired players. I’ll give you a hint, it wasn’t the side that refused to meet with the retired players representative and continues to refuse to give up a dime to aid them.

    I almost forgot, Five retired players are suing the NFL Players Association in federal court, claiming the organization denied them and other former athletes lucrative royalties from licensing deals that used their images.

    Why would the retired players support the NFLPA again? It would be for the support the NFLPA has given them.

  65. thefiesty1 says: Apr 29, 2011 2:37 PM

    Finally found a judge(s) with their head out of their butts. Teach these greedy players what for. Amazing what happens when reasonable minds come to a decision. The players just may not get 90% of the owners money after all.
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    I’m not going to take sides (owners/players). However, you make one of the most uninformed comments imaginable. Firstly, Judge Nelson (who ruled in favor of lifting the lockout) was as prepared as ANY judge. Also, she sided with precedent and the law in regards to what was asked of her and that was presented to her by both sides. Secondly, an appeals court has a different set of guidelines in terms of what can be presented by either side. Also, the burden of proof is much different. In a court of appeals, either side can site something as minor as a clerical error on a single form or a major omission by the other side as a basis for an argument.

    Thirdly, where did you come up with the “greedy players” wanting 90%? of the $9billion pie? Fox News? The numbers in question of dividing up the profits has always floated between 49%-54%.

  66. wetpaperbag2 says:Apr 29, 2011 2:43 PM

    I like what owner Robert Kraft said about all of this nonsense:

    “In my opinion, we could get a deal done in the next week…If business people sat down on both sides, and we tried to get the lawyers in the background…Get lawyers away from table. Lawyers are deal breakers, not deal makers.” -Robert Kraft
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    The only people on the players side with any authority are all Lawyers so the process is screwed.

  67. Also wanted to point out… Why is everyone so anti-lockout?

    The lockout is just the equal and opposite action to the player’s ability to strike. The players are simply trying to get the full benefit of the union (ability to collectively bargain, strike, and get absurd rulings from judges), fail to live up to the rules they agreed to in the previous CBA (regarding the timeline they had to adhere to to disband the union and not be considered a sham), and get the benefits of being union free (ability to block the lockout).

    If the owners were 1/4 as evil as they are painted they’d be salivating at disbanding the union. All those rules about no contact in the offseason? Gone. Limits on recouping bonus monies paid for future services? Gone. Limits on fines for player misconduct? Gone. Minimum salaries? Gone. Benefits and pensions? Gone.

    Establish new contracts at 10-30% of the current values, and the players wouldn’t be able to do anything about it. They have no other real value in the open market…

    Just because the NFL owners are able to market their product for a great price doesn’t mean the players are entitled to it. Let the players find another outlet to sell themselves where they can make 10% of what they are making as a group.

    Without a union they’re all individuals, and as individuals they’re all worthless.

    The league can’t do it, though, because they’ll just re-form the union (that isn’t really gone) as soon as the league does something the players don’t like… the league has to be negotiating as if there is no union (can’t get the benefit of establishing across the board rules) but can’t do a deal as if there’s no union (because there will be one).

    It’s a no-win for the league.

  68. I don’t understand how people can post comments talking about how the present model is unsustainable when the owners won’t open their books.

    And before anyone jumps up and says other companies don’t show the books to employees, I would agree, except the players and owners have previously negotated the player pool of money as a percentage of revenue.

    Without being able to see and audit the books for accuracy, I’ll have do admit the owners are hiding something? Why? Becasue if the business model is so bad, how come more owners don’t have their franchise up for sale? How come we don’t hear about loans to meet payroll like the Dodgers?

    The owners want to declare themselves winners of the poker game without ever showing their hole cards.

  69. GREAT news. The first step towards making the players agree to a new CBA is reinstating the lockout.

    EAT IT NFLPA!!!

  70. bigdog214 says:
    Apr 29, 2011 3:36 PM
    I don’t understand how people can post comments talking about how the present model is unsustainable when the owners won’t open their books.

    And before anyone jumps up and says other companies don’t show the books to employees, I would agree, except the players and owners have previously negotated the player pool of money as a percentage of revenue.

    Without being able to see and audit the books for accuracy, I’ll have do admit the owners are hiding something? Why? Becasue if the business model is so bad, how come more owners don’t have their franchise up for sale? How come we don’t hear about loans to meet payroll like the Dodgers?

    The owners want to declare themselves winners of the poker game without ever showing their hole cards.

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    There needs to be a permanent thread for this because every week or so someone keeps bringing it up without bothering to read the pages and pages and pages that have been written about it.

    1) The owners offer of financial information went way beyond anything they were required to show in the CBA agreement.

    2) The owners offered to let an independent 3rd party accounting firm to audit the books and give the players the players the condensed results.

    3) DeMaurice, by his own admission, declined point #2 for PR reasons.

    4) Google the NBA CBA negotiations which are going on now and see what opening the books has done for them. The players are more contentious than ever. They don’t want accounting principles such as “depreciation” to count as an expense. They also want a cut of the owners other businesses revenue. If anything opening the books has opened a whole new can of worms.

    5) This one is just because i’m tired of the whole “open the books” blind parrotting. Why the heck don’t the players need to show auditted W2s for every single player every time they want to negotiate for more money or benefits? Because it’s stupid that why yet some people get a sound bite in their head an it rattles around in there for months.

  71. eagleswin says: Apr 29, 2011 3:05 PM

    The only people on the players side with any authority are all Lawyers so the process is screwed.
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    De Smith isn’t the only lawyers in this mess. SEVERAL of the NFL owners are lawyers too. So, there are lawyers on BOTH sides who are mucking up the waters with all this nonsense.

  72. @wetpaperbag2. – the players couldn’t decide on the 45-50% split before and walked out and filed suit. They got a liberal judge that gave them an inch and lifted the lockout. Those greedy jerks won’t settle for that paltry % now. Give ’em an inch and they’ll take a mile.

    I guess you watch liberal MSNBC too.

  73. bigdog214 says: Apr 29, 2011 3:36 PM

    I don’t understand how people can post comments talking about how the present model is unsustainable when the owners won’t open their books.

    And before anyone jumps up and says other companies don’t show the books to employees, I would agree, except the players and owners have previously negotated the player pool of money as a percentage of revenue.

    Without being able to see and audit the books for accuracy, I’ll have do admit the owners are hiding something? Why? Becasue if the business model is so bad, how come more owners don’t have their franchise up for sale? How come we don’t hear about loans to meet payroll like the Dodgers?

    The owners want to declare themselves winners of the poker game without ever showing their hole cards.
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    I don’t think the owners are hiding anything from the players per se. However, I DO believe that the league AS A WHOLE will not disclose the particular financials that the players are asking for because the league knows that that data will be viewed by OTHER OWNERS as well.

    This could be very damaging for ball clubs because teams will be able to see how the OTHER TEAMS spend on marketing, how they market, where they market, how other teams shuffle money or more importantly…their strategies/tools for moving money around or “mortgaging” their money. Other teams will essentially see the other guy’s methods and accounting tricks.

    Also, there’s the potential “egg in the face” moments when teams find out what other teams DON’T sell out games, but somehow avoid blackouts. It is one of the biggest badges of honor for teams and is one of the biggest tightly kept secrets of teams. One example would be the 49ers. For YEARS, they have had poor seasons since 2003, but have always been televised locally. Having been to their stadium a few times during this span, the stadium is always 3/4 full, but on television, it “looks” full. The 49ers have never said that they bought the remaining 1/3 of the tickets that no one is sitting in, but it’s obviously someone did.

    Disclosing this financial data (to determine where money is going/how it is being spent) would give disclosure to other teams on just how the 49ers are doing it.

  74. players are going to win again-easily to I might add. As long as they interpret the law the way it was meant to be the players are going to be fine. The owners should’ve kept their mouths shut and not voted out of the CBA the players will never let them have that deal back. If you are an owner the price of running your football team just went up.

  75. Those of us who’ve been posting here for any length of time before the lockout started, know that most (if not all) of the pro-owner posters are new posters, post lockout. that these idiots would think we’re stupid enough to not notice that, just shows their own stupidity, as they stupidly alienate a substantial portion of their bread and butter – the fans – with their greed.

    I do hope that their greed will carry them through the coming lean years, the result of telling the fans to f off.

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