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Holmgren calls move out of No. 6 spot “kind of an amazing trade”

Mike Holmgren AP

The Atlanta Falcons wanted to move up in round one to get a big-play receiver.  They tried to get to No. 4, so that they could add A.J. Green.  The Bengals said, “No thanks.”

Two spots later, the Browns pounced.

Two days later, Holmgren expressed satisfaction with the decision.  “It was absolutely the right thing to do for our team at this particular time,” Holmgren said Saturday, per Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer.  “The trade was kind of an amazing trade when you count it up.  Next year we’ve got a one and a four and it’s what we needed.”

Regardless of the draft trade chart or any other device used for comparing picks, our reaction to the move was visceral.  Is there a receiver currently in the NFL for whom a team would or should give up two first-round draft picks, a second-round pick, and two fourth-round draft picks?  Maybe Larry Fitzgerald or Andre Johnson.

Maybe.

Last year, Brandon Marshall fetched a pair of second-round picks for the Broncos.  And that arguably was too much.  Apart from Fitzgerald or Johnson, there’s no proven receiver for whom so much should be sacrificed.

The Falcons nevertheless were willing to invest two firsts, two fourths, and a second to get either Green or Jones.  That’s significantly more than what it would take to sign a non-exclusive franchise player, like Vincent Jackson.

Though the Falcons may eventually be vindicated, they gave up a lot for an unproven player.  And it puts a lot of pressure on the player and the organization to prove that the right move was made.

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71 Responses to “Holmgren calls move out of No. 6 spot “kind of an amazing trade””
  1. chapnastier says: May 1, 2011 8:39 PM

    No one outside of Cleveland give a darn about what Mike Holmgren has to say.

  2. theuncletodd says: May 1, 2011 8:39 PM

    Julio= Braylon Light
    whoops did I just drop another short pass?!

  3. jwil444 says: May 1, 2011 8:49 PM

    Browns also receive Herschel Walker in deal……..Matt Millen thinks the Falcons are geniuses!

  4. iamtalkingsolistenandlearn says: May 1, 2011 8:55 PM

    I call it “Taking Advantage and Robbing” the Falcons

  5. snowpea84 says: May 1, 2011 8:55 PM

    When has giving up a large amount of picks ever worked? Ever?
    What a joke. The NFC South has two teams that just et themselves back the nest five years. The Panther and the Falcons.

  6. wvuandsteelers says: May 1, 2011 8:57 PM

    Technically they only gave up one first (net) since they got one in return. They gave up a 1st, a 2nd and 2 4ths to move up 21 spots in the 1st round. Now, is that too much? Depends on where they pick next year. I bet Carolina wishes they hadn’t traded pick 33 for Armanti Edwards. But let’s say the Falcons pick about where they did this year. Who did they give up this year? Baldwin or maybe Gabe Carimi. Who would you rather have….Jones or Baldwin and Carimi? If I’m Cleveland and in rebuilding mode, I pick the latter. If I think I’m close to a Super Bowl, I pick the former.

  7. iamtalkingsolistenandlearn says: May 1, 2011 8:58 PM

    The Walrus ripped off senile Arthur Blank

  8. madenatewell says: May 1, 2011 8:58 PM

    Yeah I, as a Panthers fan, wasn’t enthused that ATL moved up and got Jones. Although on the other hand, when I saw how much they forked over, I giggled.

  9. clayjayhawk says: May 1, 2011 8:59 PM

    NFC title game…
    Packers 59 Falcons 27

  10. barklikeadog says: May 1, 2011 9:00 PM

    @chapnastier: you obviously care. It’s ok, we welcome all who want to bark! WOOF! WOOF! Holmgren: LOVE THIS GUY!!!

  11. bukes111 says: May 1, 2011 9:03 PM

    @ theuncletodd

    Julio has more leadership skills, tougher in general and a harder worker but you’re right abt the drops. Hopefully he can turn fix his hands issue. Loved him in ‘Bama

  12. brownsfn says: May 1, 2011 9:04 PM

    It was genius…this organization is in GREAT hands…

  13. pfu2 says: May 1, 2011 9:05 PM

    What is amazing is the fact that the Bengals turned this trade down, they could have used the picks!

  14. zaggs says: May 1, 2011 9:05 PM

    Unless you have a franchise QB out there at the spot you’re drafting in you take that deal every day.

  15. moseszd says: May 1, 2011 9:06 PM

    Another Herschel Walker trade.

  16. qoojo says: May 1, 2011 9:06 PM

    Unless he turns into Randy Moss without the head problems and plays off, this is probably a top ten stupid draft move by the falcons.

  17. plundergrunge says: May 1, 2011 9:18 PM

    Honestly, Heckert did a great job fielding this trade. And I like Julio Jones going to the Falcons, too. Although a somewhat cosmetic infatuation, Julio Jones’ deal with Under Armour fits in well with the red/black roller-ball Falcons look.

  18. mimitaroo says: May 1, 2011 9:18 PM

    Give it up for Andre Johnson and Calvin Johnson.

    A 25 year old Calvin Johnson > a 27 year old Larry Fitzgerald.

  19. deadeye says: May 1, 2011 9:22 PM

    The Falcons tricked themselves into thinking that one more playmaker would allow them to surpass the Packers. What a bunch of suckers…

  20. jstrizzle says: May 1, 2011 9:24 PM

    @chapnastier

    You obviously do because you read this

  21. bsmb says: May 1, 2011 9:25 PM

    it amazes me how he is talking about planning for his 3rd year with cleveland when he wouldnt even give mangini a 3rd year…i say if he doesnt win this year he should go too…its only fair

  22. zipper86 says: May 1, 2011 9:28 PM

    Ok so instead of constantly complaining how much would have been fair to trade with no players involved to move up that far? That the browns would have realistically taken? People complain like the browns would have taken a 1 and 2 7th rounders.The falcons wanted to move way up and that’s what it took. Frankly they don’t need a lot of warm bodies they need playmakers. probably should be more pressure on the browns to get all those picks right after giving up on the opportunity to get better talent. In the big picture its a win win they both got what they wanted

  23. kelvinmchale says: May 1, 2011 9:36 PM

    The Falcons front office forgets that defense is what puts rings on fingers.

  24. dwatkins69 says: May 1, 2011 9:39 PM

    It will be interesting to see who turns out as the better WR between Greg Little (Atl. 2nd rd traded to cleveland) and Julio Jones!

  25. freedomispopular says: May 1, 2011 9:40 PM

    And it will all be for nothing if there’s no draft next year.

  26. jimmysee says: May 1, 2011 9:54 PM

    So next year when they have the #4 pick they can do it again.

    (It was a smooth move.)

  27. devoe1129 says: May 1, 2011 9:59 PM

    wvuandsteelers:

    I know they received a 1st round pick from the Browns and they used that pick on Julio Jones. So to sum up the deal, they used 2 1sts, 1 2nd, and 2 4ths and in return they got Julio Jones. Your math is right that they received a 1st back, but that was Julio Jones.

  28. doe22us says: May 1, 2011 10:01 PM

    Damn straight he is pleased what a haul

  29. kane337 says: May 1, 2011 10:07 PM

    The Falcons only gave up 4 picks (not 5) since they got a pick in return. 4th round picks aren’t guaranteed starters anyway.

    If Julio turns out to be a beast then this is a genius move by the Falcons.

  30. ppdoc13 says: May 1, 2011 10:15 PM

    And then they draft a pure 3-4 nt when they are switching to a 4-3. Once again the brown fans are planning for the playoffs when they still need to think about consistently winning more games then they lose. Woof. Woof

  31. broncobourque says: May 1, 2011 10:20 PM

    It was a good move for both sides.

    Sure the Falcons gave up a lot to move up but WRs with Jones’ size and speed are rare and adding him to an offense with Ryan, White and Turner could be scary. The Falcons might be only one player away from a championship team, they took the chance that Jones is that guy.

    The Browns clearly aren’t just one player away from competing and getting a haul of draft picks like that is a good move. In a draft that didn’t have a sure star at their spot, getting extra picks should help them get better sooner. I also liked the selection of Little with the 2nd round pick they got in the deal, he could be Anquan Boldin 2.0.

  32. bigtrav425 says: May 1, 2011 10:24 PM

    As a Browns fan i still dont like this trade…Yes we got alot of picks back but did we get a impact player? which is what we need!…Besides Hillis and Thomas who do we have thats a impact player??….Cribbs,Maybe.Ward and Haden are to young yet but maybe there but thats still not close to enough.And we picked a guy as a WR who didnt play last yr and the yr before was his first yr as a WR.We didnt pick a Offensive lineman till what the 5th to 6th?….I still trust Heckert and Holmgren but i am not sold on this trade.But then again they havnt played any games so we will see!

  33. tinopuno says: May 1, 2011 10:25 PM

    chapnastier says:
    May 1, 2011 8:39 PM
    No one outside of Cleveland give a darn about what Mike Holmgren has to say.

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    And no one ANYWHERE cares what you have to say!

  34. raiderapologist says: May 1, 2011 10:27 PM

    They didn’t give up two first round picks, but they did give up a one and a two and two fours for the privilege of paying top-ten money. Even if they continue to draft low it’s still four warm young bodies over two seasons for one wide receiver. Seems like a lot.

  35. bpjensen says: May 1, 2011 10:32 PM

    I am surprised this trade is not compared to the Ricky Williams trade where Ditka gave up his whole draft to move up and grab Williams.

  36. tcs91841 says: May 1, 2011 10:52 PM

    I love Fitzgerald and AJ…but, I think we need to put Megatron in that discussion, as well.

  37. iamtalkingsolistenandlearn says: May 1, 2011 11:00 PM

    AND DOWN GOES BIN LADEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    USA USA USA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    ALWAYS REMEMBER!!!!!!!!!!

  38. nagaswan says: May 1, 2011 11:08 PM

    Osama? Dead!

  39. deconjonesbitchslap says: May 1, 2011 11:20 PM

    Who else would like Osama’s body placed on one of the spikes on the Statue of Liberty crown?

  40. franklinstking says: May 1, 2011 11:21 PM

    OBAMA GOT OSAMA!

  41. franklinstking says: May 1, 2011 11:23 PM

    No one is stating the obvious, this guy just had ankle surgery.

  42. iamtalkingsolistenandlearn says: May 1, 2011 11:23 PM

    God Bless Our Troops !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    JUSTICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  43. cengelman93 says: May 1, 2011 11:25 PM

    GM Tom Dimitroff for Atlanta learned how to build a team under Scott Pioli and Bill Belichick while in New England.

    It seems his draft day tactics are a complete deviation from what he learned during his time in NE. Pioli nor Belichick would ever make that deal.

  44. mattyc says: May 1, 2011 11:39 PM

    The funniest part of the trade:

    Browns get 27, 59, 124, 2012 1&4, + Julio Jones. Yes, I said Julio Jones. Little is the same receiver. Had he played in 10′, he would hve been a Rd 1 pick & possibly a better WR option than Jones. Better hands, both have the ability to go up & pick it, Little is a better blocker, Little has better short area burst, Little seperates a little better.

    I think us Browns fans get the better part of the deal!

  45. thefiesty1 says: May 1, 2011 11:47 PM

    But they still don’t have a go to receiver for Colt. Wait til next year, again!

  46. bsmb says: May 2, 2011 12:03 AM

    who are the idiots that are giving a thumbs down on bin ladens death

  47. CKL says: May 2, 2011 12:26 AM

    I disagree wholeheartedly that the pressure is all on Jones player wise. The pressure is where it should be…right on Ryan’s shoulders. He hasn’t played well in the playoffs in his two outings and he has some serious skill talent at his disposal. If he is in the playoffs this coming year and coughs up another furball he will cement himself as an early career P. Manning IMO. First round QB with expensive skill talent around him and a great OL who can’t play well on the biggest stage.

    Dimitroff even admitted that when he talked to his former boss, BB, BB wouldn’t have done this trade due to the value given up. I will tell you this….I would bet that if BB WOULD ever do this trade it certainly wouldn’t have been for any WR no matter how good he was in college (and I like Julio). Heck BB hasn’t ever drafted any WR in the first in NE let alone traded up for one. WRs don’t push a team over the hump to SBs…great defenses do. And theirs…wasn’t.

    Great trade for Cle. They are rebuilding and need talent at a lot of positions. They have been making progress over the past season and a half also both locker room wise and on the field.

  48. southyank7 says: May 2, 2011 12:50 AM

    With Bin Laden DEAD… kinda makes this whole LOCKOUT thing stupid & inconsequential, unimportant, stupid, even more greedy then before…. pointless, inmaterial, did i mention STUPID… god bless our troops

  49. neverend1 says: May 2, 2011 12:55 AM

    Jones isn’t that good.

    Does not have any explosiveness, elite route running, consistency, and speed on game day. He’s a glorified 2nd receiver who will never hit 1000 yards. This trade is going to be a huge bust.

  50. Dawgpound says: May 2, 2011 12:56 AM

    ATL got Jones and paid for Green. I might have paid what they did for Green but not Jones. Heckert did what he had to and it isn’t bad gamble since he nabbed Little in the process.

  51. couchbasher says: May 2, 2011 1:59 AM

    The move down to 26 was BRILLIANT for the Browns. HOWEVER…

    The move up to 21 to get Taylor? = STUPID! He would’ve been there at 26 or 28.

    The Browns not only gave up a 3rd, 6th and *cut* Shawn Rodgers…they also missed out on a potential trade with New Orleans that could’ve landed the Brownies another #1 next year….

    From the footage I’ve seen on youtube, Taylor is not worth it and certainly NOT better than Shawn Rodgers.

    Holmgren is *not* the GM and when he was, he wasn’t a very good one….nonetheless, I hope Coach Holmgren is at least smart enough to realize the browns gave up more than meets the eye by hastily moving back up a few spots in the first round.

  52. trickbunny says: May 2, 2011 3:01 AM

    ppdoc13 says:
    May 1, 2011 10:15 PM

    And then they draft a pure 3-4 nt when they are switching to a 4-3. Once again the brown fans are planning for the playoffs when they still need to think about consistently winning more games then they lose. Woof. Woof
    —————————————————-

    The rod up this guy’s butt has a rod up it’s butt.

  53. stanklepoot says: May 2, 2011 4:03 AM

    wvuandsteelers says: May 1, 2011 8:57 PM

    Technically they only gave up one first (net) since they got one in return. They gave up a 1st, a 2nd and 2 4ths to move up 21 spots in the 1st round. Now, is that too much? Depends on where they pick next year. I bet Carolina wishes they hadn’t traded pick 33 for Armanti Edwards. But let’s say the Falcons pick about where they did this year. Who did they give up this year? Baldwin or maybe Gabe Carimi. Who would you rather have….Jones or Baldwin and Carimi? If I’m Cleveland and in rebuilding mode, I pick the latter. If I think I’m close to a Super Bowl, I pick the former.
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    Normally you’d be right. In this case, however, the comparison was to trading for a player already in the league. So, it’s still 2 1sts, a 2nd, and 2 4ths. Remember, they’re giving up a 1st next year, and they used one this year to make the selection. So, to get the player (like if they had made a trade for a player already on someone’s roster) it would have cost 2 1st round picks. It’s just that they already started with one. Now, if you were talking about the cost of getting the pick itself, then the first they got and the first they gave up would cancel each other out, and your recalculation would be correct.

  54. stanklepoot says: May 2, 2011 4:15 AM

    zipper86 says: May 1, 2011 9:28 PM

    Ok so instead of constantly complaining how much would have been fair to trade with no players involved to move up that far? That the browns would have realistically taken? People complain like the browns would have taken a 1 and 2 7th rounders.The falcons wanted to move way up and that’s what it took. Frankly they don’t need a lot of warm bodies they need playmakers. probably should be more pressure on the browns to get all those picks right after giving up on the opportunity to get better talent. In the big picture its a win win they both got what they wanted
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    First of all, while I like Julio Jones, he’s unproven in the NFL. So, I’d say the pressure is still on the Falcons for Jones to become a truly elite WR given what they gave up to get him. While you’re right that the Falcons couldn’t move up that far in the first round on the cheap, it’s still a relevant question of whether or not the move was worth it. Unless Jones turns out to be the next Jerry Rice, I find it hard to believe that he’s worth five other players, which is what we’re talking about when we talk about draft picks. To get Jones, they gave up two other first round players, a second round player, and two fourth round players. to generalize things, if you draft well that’s 3 starters and two potential starters/quality backups. It never ceases to amaze me how stingy some teams can be with their draft picks when it comes to trading for established players, and how reckless they can be when it comes to drafting players. Do they think they’ll get extra credit for having drafted the player themselves? Was Bill Walsh’s acquisition of Steve Young any less remarkable because he saw something in Young that the team that drafted him missed?

  55. stanklepoot says: May 2, 2011 4:22 AM

    kane337 says: May 1, 2011 10:07 PM

    The Falcons only gave up 4 picks (not 5) since they got a pick in return. 4th round picks aren’t guaranteed starters anyway.

    If Julio turns out to be a beast then this is a genius move by the Falcons.
    ________________________
    Your math is off. The Falcons gave up 4 additional picks to get Jones. They gave up a 2nd and 4th this year, and a 1st and 4th next year, to swap first round picks in this draft. They then used that 1st round pick to get Jones. So, they traded 4 other picks to improve their 1st round pick this year, and then they used that pick. That’s a total of 5 picks used to get Jones…including the one they had to start with. Now, if the question had been, how many picks did it take the Falcons to move up in the 1st round so that they could get Jones, then the answer would be four. Actually picking him, however, took five.

  56. dansnyder says: May 2, 2011 5:54 AM

    I ask you this, If you dont trade all those picks and use them all on 5 WRs, two 1st round wrs, a 2nd round wr, and two 4th round receivers, would that be worse then spending that many selections on one guy? a guy that wasn’t even THE TOP wr in the class, a guy that even the Falcons settled for after they couldn’t acquire AJ Green?

    What if Jones gets hurt? with the depth at receiver you would have with all those pics injury shouldnt be an issue.

    Finally let’s remember that Roddy White was a 27th overall pick. You could have given up two more roddy whites, a desean jackson, a Brandon Marshall, and a Mike Williams(tampa).

    You could argue that none of those picks are sure but neither is julio which is one of the points of trading so many picks(players) for one guy.

  57. canjura says: May 2, 2011 6:13 AM

    @franklinstking: he had a broken bone in his foot, not ankle.

  58. agelardi says: May 2, 2011 6:53 AM

    Who is gonna throw to this guy though?

  59. hay1111 says: May 2, 2011 7:12 AM

    Nomatter how well he plays, Jones will never be worth what was given up to get him. He wont even be the #1 or #2 receiving target on his new team.

  60. biglebronski says: May 2, 2011 7:22 AM

    bigtrav425 says:
    May 1, 2011 10:24 PM
    As a Browns fan i still dont like this trade…Yes we got alot of picks back but did we get a impact player? which is what we need!…Besides Hillis and Thomas who do we have thats a impact player??….Cribbs,Maybe.Ward and Haden are to young yet but maybe there but thats still not close to enough.And we picked a guy as a WR who didnt play last yr and the yr before was his first yr as a WR.We didnt pick a Offensive lineman till what the 5th to 6th?….I still trust Heckert and Holmgren but i am not sold on this trade.But then again they havnt played any games so we will see!
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    Since when do you have to pick at #6 to get an impact player? The Steelers, Patriots, Eagles, etc. seem to keep finding impact players every year picking in the second half of the first round. You are right to trust Heckert; I’m willing to bet there is at least one impact player in this Browns draft group.

  61. tv426 says: May 2, 2011 7:43 AM

    I’ve never understood why teams become so enamored with WRs. They touch the ball 2-4 times per game at best. And history has shown that just as many good ones come from the later draft rounds as the early ones. In fact, no other position has as many 1st round busts as WR. I’ve said it before, if I were a GM I’d not draft one until the 4th round at best.

  62. arcaero says: May 2, 2011 8:25 AM

    couchbasher:

    Local reports say Heckert had good evidence Philly was taking Taylor at 22 so they moved in front to get him.

    Good or bad, only time will tell, but this guy Heckert knows what he wants and goes and gets it.

  63. couchbasher says: May 2, 2011 8:46 AM

    arcaero:

    I heard of the same reports. BUT, considering Philly landed Matthews in the 4th, I suspect Philly *bluffed* to get the browns to burn a card…

    unfortunately, we did.

    Heckert is a welcomed improvement, but nobody is perfect and the trade up was a ‘knee-jerk’ reaction. I doubt the braintrust of the Browns will admit this….

    I applaud the trade down…IT’S ABOUT TIME!

  64. lbcoach34 says: May 2, 2011 9:12 AM

    Greg Little copuld be every bit as good as Julio Jones…we shall see

  65. lbcoach34 says: May 2, 2011 9:31 AM

    Plus, if Colt McCoy isn’t the guy…we have the ammo we need to get to #1 overall and get Luck in 2012

  66. touchdownroddywhite says: May 2, 2011 9:45 AM

    My only problem with this trade is that Larry Fitz actually seemed like he was lobbying to join Matt Ryan in Atlanta.

    And to everybody talking about Jonesies drops: Rowdy Roddy will help him take care of that. Besides, we really dont need him to catch that many passes. We just need him to take pressure off Roddy White. At least for right now. But seriously, the moment they drafted Jones all I kept hearing was “TOUCHDOWN RODDY WHITE!!!” (See what I did there?)

  67. tednancy says: May 2, 2011 10:19 AM

    A great trade for the Browns. Could this be like the trades of Herschel Walker and Ricky Williams?

    I am not pleased, however, with the Browns’ decision to draft a TE (Cameron Jordan) and a FB (that two-way kid from Stanford) back to back.

    The Browns have some big holes to fill, but not at FB or TE. The team already has Lawrence Vickers and Hillis can play the position if need be when Hardesty returns. Besides, with a west coast offense, the FB position is rarely manned in the conventional sense. Hillis can function as the H-back if and when the Browns do load up the backfield.

    Two wasted picks, methinks.

  68. originalsteelcurtain says: May 2, 2011 11:51 AM

    Smacks of desperation for the Falcons.

    5 picks for a Rookie WR Who has a reputation for so-so hands? Why not grab Jon Baldwin later, or even Greg Little in the 2nd?

    Stupid trade, Atlanta!!!

  69. DarthHoodie says: May 2, 2011 1:33 PM

    With Casey Matthews sitting on the board when the Browns picked in the 4th round and having so many issues with their front seven, it seemed like a wasted pick to me too I would have preferred a safety or cornerback in the fourth round late also over Cameron.

  70. ppdoc13 says: May 2, 2011 4:04 PM

    @trickbunny – truth hurts, deal with it. Phil Taylor from Baylor has huge bust potential. They will need to keep him chained from the buffet line. He is a 3/4 NT in a 4/3 system. So while I give Heckert kudos for stealing the Falcons blind, I am totally underwhelmed by their draft. Meanwhile you and the rest of the Cleveland fans continue making your Superbowl reservations.

  71. trickbunny says: May 2, 2011 5:33 PM

    ppdoc13 says:
    May 2, 2011 4:04 PM

    @trickbunny – truth hurts, deal with it. Phil Taylor from Baylor has huge bust potential. They will need to keep him chained from the buffet line. He is a 3/4 NT in a 4/3 system. So while I give Heckert kudos for stealing the Falcons blind, I am totally underwhelmed by their draft. Meanwhile you and the rest of the Cleveland fans continue making your Superbowl reservations
    ————————————————

    Deal with what? The fact that your serious case of trolling on all Browns stories has you downplaying, minimizing, and insulting a trade and a draft that EVERYONE ELSE ON EARTH is giving an A or B grade to? What the hell are you smoking?

    Gee, who am I gonna believe, a biased whiner who makes crybaby troll comments on every Browns related story on PFT because he just plain hates the Browns- or everyone else on Earth?

    *You* can deal with *that*, mmmm’k? :D

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