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More and more players speak out against Goodell

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A couple of weeks ago, Bengals receiver Chad Ochocinco swooned like a ’62 Beatles teeny bopper after spending an hour on the phone with Commissioner Roger Goodell.  But Chad is in the distinct minority when it comes to warm and fuzzies for the man who currently presides over pro football.

Michael Silver of Yahoo! Sports chronicles a wide array of criticisms from players regarding Goodell.  The hard feelings for the man who is taking a hard line with players isn’t surprising.  Although, as Silver points out, Goodell is merely doing the bidding of the owners, Goodell is the face of the league, and thus the target of their current frustrations.

Many players were happy to see him booed at the draft.  One questioned the moment of silence for the tornado victims as a device for short-circuiting a torrent of boos.  Another was suspicious of the use of military personnel as shields against further booing.

In addition to past insults from folks like Derrick Mason and Chester Pitts, one unnamed player called Goodell a “dope” in communications with Silver.

Browns linebacker Scott Fujita, a member of the NFLPA* Executive Committee, thinks the labor strife will stick with Goodell when dealing with players in the future.  “Does he have a problem with getting the players’ respect?  Absolutely,” Fujita told Silver.  “No matter what happens, it might be tough for him to ever get that back.  However this is resolved, I can’t say every player, but the overwhelming majority will continue to have a problem with him.  And that’s too bad.”

Fujita also addressed a point we’ve made a time or two lately — that it’s up to Goodell to get the owners to bend enough to get a deal done.

“He’s just in a really unenviable position of having to build consensus among the owners,” Fujita said.  “I don’t know that anybody can do that right now.  He’s the mouthpiece of the owners, and that’s why he’s getting that type of reaction.  I do feel bad for him.

“Ideally, he’s someone who can build consensus among the owners and convince them to do what’s best for the game.  I expected him to be that guy who can push those buttons and get them to move, but I’m afraid he might not be.  I don’t know that he’ll be able to do that, and that’s disappointing.”

Frankly, we’re not sure anyone can push those buttons right now.  And we fear that, if Goodell tries, the support he enjoys among the men who hired him will evaporate, quickly.

For now, the support is strong.  One unnamed owner told Silver that there’s “[z]ero chance” Goodell will lose his job as a result of the labor situation.  “Roger is trying to do business,” the unnamed owner told Silver, “and De [Smith] is like a psycho girlfriend who doesn’t know what he wants, doesn’t understand what he’s involved in and [who] you can’t reason with.  With psycho girlfriends, at least you can move on eventually.  But Roger is stuck with him right now.”

Regardless of whether that characterization is accurate, Goodell definitely is stuck with taking the flak from players and fans.  “He’s the face of this whole problem, the face of the league that locked out the players,” Fujita said.  “He is just the face who’s trying to shut down the game and take away our livelihood — and that pisses guys off.  It’s as simple as that.”

If only finding a solution were half as simple.

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  1. touchdownroddywhite says: May 4, 2011 6:32 PM

    I was watching Invictus the other day. One of Mandella’s assistants/advisors told him what he was doing was risking his political career by going boldly against the grain. Mandella’s response was that the day he was afraid to do what was right because of poltical capital, would be the same day he was no longer fit to lead.

    Maybe somebody should recommend it to Goodell. It’s a great movie anyway.

  2. timmytoad says: May 4, 2011 6:33 PM

    This will continue to get uglier. With the Appeals court hearing the case and not rendering the decision till mid-July, the pampered players soon will realize that they will not get bonuses or FA opportunities. Their will be anger directed at Goodell and then at NFLPA and then the muntiny will begin. I hope it doesn’t come to this since it will create ill will for a few years. Hopefully the stalemate will cause them to find middle ground and settle. However as a Parent, I have never seen spoil brats use logic and common sense.

  3. byrmcph says: May 4, 2011 6:36 PM

    I don’t know if it’s just this day ande age but I don’t recall ever hearing players speak out against Rozell or Taglibue ( or whatever his name is) the way they go after this guy.

  4. vbe2 says: May 4, 2011 6:38 PM

    I don’t think the players understand that they are just momentary employees of the NFL. They aren’t THE NFL. Here today and gone tomorrow.

    Goodell could be in his position for 25 years and 99% of todays players will be long forgotten, not even worthy of a “Where are they now” mention.

    Players are momentary, the league is forever.

  5. lodan60 says: May 4, 2011 6:38 PM

    Trust me, D Smith been there he’d been booed also, fans not supporting owners or players, they want football! Neither side is moving to resolve this. Boos to BOTH sides!

  6. skoobyfl says: May 4, 2011 6:38 PM

    Goodell is such a friend to football on the whole, with the owners pulling his strings.

  7. ajtexans says: May 4, 2011 6:40 PM

    Plenty of blame to go around on this one and the players are fine ones to be calling anyone a ‘dope.’

    The players are suing the league because they contend the draft with entering player pool and elements of free agency are illegal. And they think they’re not part of the problem just because ‘all they want to do is play?’ Please.

    If the players get their way (completely), the NFL business model is toast and it becomes MLB. That’s the day the golden goose dies.

    DeMo would have been booed just as vehemently if he walked across the stage that night….

  8. emmonsh says: May 4, 2011 6:40 PM

    seems like a good time to become a correction officer. be a new gang in the prison unit the nfpla,s. what a group of loser. as of now i hope they lock the doors for 2 years. then wages will be 1/10th of now and people could afford a game

  9. pilonflats says: May 4, 2011 6:40 PM

    “He is just the face who’s trying to shut down the game and take away our livelihood — and that pisses guys off. It’s as simple as that.”…sorry scotty, what you dont, and will obviously never be able to understand, is that people like YOU have been trying to take our game, the fans game, away for years, and your piggish greed has made it so expensive that most people cant afford to go to football games anymore. Players* like fujita, AP, chester pitts, brees, etc, have already lost the most – the respect of the majority of football fans.

  10. ducksmith says: May 4, 2011 6:41 PM

    Goodell seems like the only adult in this situation, including the idiot fans who whined “we want football”. Let’s review. Negotiations were ongoing but the players didn’t like what they were hearing. They quit negotiating, decertify (but it’s NOT a sham! Really!) , file a lawsuit and it’s Goodell who’s taking away their livelihood? Give me a break!

  11. illinininer says: May 4, 2011 6:43 PM

    I don’t see why this matters. The players don’t respect the commissioner and the owners don’t respect the PA director.

    The fans disdain for Goodell is only relevant because it was on display at the draft. If DeMaurice Smith were to step foot on the stage at Radio City Music Hall, the boos directed towards him from fans would be as loud, if not louder.

    I don’t see Goodell as any more or any less responsible than each of the owners or players. I’m tired of the blame game. Everyone is at fault. Stop talking and get a deal done.

  12. axespray says: May 4, 2011 6:43 PM

    “De Smith is like a psycho girlfriend who doesn’t know what he wants, doesn’t understand what he’s involved in and who you can’t reason with. With psycho girlfriends, at least you can move on eventually. But Roger is stuck with him right now.”

    ^ cuz he’s fighting for the freedom of the slaves!

    so they can get MORE money!!!….yeah? (smh)

  13. nineroutsider says: May 4, 2011 6:45 PM

    “Roger is trying to do business,” the unnamed owner told Silver, “and De [Smith] is like a psycho girlfriend who doesn’t know what he wants, doesn’t understand what he’s involved in and [who] you can’t reason with.”
    ——————————————————
    I love it…just be careful that she doesn’t chop off your shaft in your sleep! Those are the type of girlfriends that leave a sh@tstorm in their wake…hope you boys are up for it. I guess we are going to find out.

    Oh, and in the meantime, your wife (the fans – have to keep the analogy going) wants some love too!

  14. eaglesfan290 says: May 4, 2011 6:46 PM

    Typical passive aggresive BS from the players……..the players sit here and always say it’s the owners fault! It is both sides faults and when both sides realize that they both need to give a bit this will get done!

  15. flaccotoboldin says: May 4, 2011 6:50 PM

    Quick 101 for the people blaming the players:

    1) the Players get paid a portion of the salary cap
    2) the salary cap is determined by a % of Revenue
    3) therefore, the player costs can NEVER outpace revenue

    So, we have 1 of a few things happening here:

    1) the Owners are lying when they cry poor
    2) the Owners are “poor”, but because they have increased expenditures (and i say prove it with those 10 years of audited league statements you balk at)
    3) greedy owners are making a money grab in a bad economy where people are less sympathetic to labor for some stupid reason

    Newsflash – the solution to getting more profit isn’t always cutting labor costs. That is just plain lazy as a capitalist.

    Greed is good — WHEN it forces you to innovate and create a good profit, and when there is competition. When the quest for profit becomes a race to the bottom, you have what we see here, which is not beneficial.

  16. wcman says: May 4, 2011 6:51 PM

    Well if the players blame Goodell, then they are even stupider than anyone thought. He’s not the problem. He is doing what he is told to do by the owners…you know the ones who hired him and pay him and all.

    Fujita summed it up pretty clearly before going back to the anti establishment rhetoric: Goodell is in an unenviable position. You’ve got 32 owners who come from different areas of the country, have different levels of income, and have different ideas as to what constitutes a successful CBA. The reason we are where we are right now, is because the owners accepted a bad deal during the last CBA negotiation, and want a do over 5 years later.

    That’s not Goodell’s fault. That is the owners fault for listening to Tagliabue who just wanted labor peace so he could leave on good terms.

  17. ttommytom says: May 4, 2011 6:51 PM

    Thanks for reminding me of psycho girlfriends. Just when I thought it was safe to go outside…

  18. commandercornpone says: May 4, 2011 6:52 PM

    the players got taken in by a shyster lawyer who conned them into decertifying the union. other judges will see it for the sham it was as duh never intended to negotiate anything. most players arent that smart, including fujita. duh will end up a footnote.

  19. habsman says: May 4, 2011 6:56 PM

    Roger (Former Employee of the New Yor Jets) Goodell is a complete embarassment.

    Early in his reign, he fined the Patriots $500,000 for videotaping defensive signals that 80,000 fans could clearly see from their seats. AND he took away one of their 1st round picks. But being a former employee of the Jets had nothing to do with it, right?

    He’s a puppet and the sooner he’s gone, the better.

  20. golonger says: May 4, 2011 6:56 PM

    Goodell is a moron of the highest order who got to where he is by kissing a$$ for decades. He isn’t smart enough for the job, that is obvious. I don’t see him being around too long……he is like a typical politician….twisted priorities and out of touch with what’s going on…….the guy IS a dope!

  21. patsseasonticketholder says: May 4, 2011 6:57 PM

    The owners had no choice after the NFLPA “disbanned”. Their only course of action was a lockout. Players who are saying that the big bad owners are locking them out shouldn’t have walked away from the table. DeSmith shouldn’t have anything to do with this anymore. The NFLPA is no more . Kessler is moving down a path that will destroy the sport. It will hurt 95% of the players and the revenues will drop. I’ve been a season ticket holder for 40 years and I will give them up if the draft is no more and there is no more cap or floor and the “disbanned” union continues to keep money from the players who made this game great.

  22. kom2k10 says: May 4, 2011 6:58 PM

    Obviously there is a big gap between owners and players, but let me get this straight… the guy who keeps talking about how they want to get back to the negotiating table and stop the litigation is the bad guy?????

    I guess when players have opinions like “Bin Laden may not be a bad guy and may not have been responsible for 9/11″ and “NFL Players are like modern day slaves”… then to me I don’t really care who they “respect” or who they think is a “joke”. The more the players talk, the more they prove that I want the owners to win this battle…

  23. kom2k10 says: May 4, 2011 7:06 PM

    flaccotoboldin says:
    May 4, 2011 6:50 PM
    Quick 101 for the people blaming the players:

    1) the Players get paid a portion of the salary cap
    2) the salary cap is determined by a % of Revenue
    3) therefore, the player costs can NEVER outpace revenue
    ————————————-

    The problem is that the players are getting too large of a % of the revenue…

    If EXPENSES are going up at a higher rate than revenue, then it’s very possible that owner profits are shrinking while player salaries and revenue continue to grow.

    It’s very simple:

    Owners Profit= (Revenue – EXPENSES)
    Players Profit= (Revenue)

    Nice argument, but you failed to address the other part of the equation. And if the boss doesn’t want to show you why you have to take a pay cut, then he doesn’t have to…. If you’re a player, go find work somewhere else like the rest of us if you don’t like it!

  24. Dynasty says: May 4, 2011 7:08 PM

    SHUT UP AND PLAY FOOTBALL! ALL WE WANT IS FOOTBALL!

  25. eagleswin says: May 4, 2011 7:11 PM

    Fujita also addressed a point we’ve made a time or two lately — that it’s up to Goodell to get the owners to bend enough to get a deal done.
    ———————————

    You have made it clear in the past that you don’t think the players need to bend on anything. Thanks for pointing that out again.

    Remind us why the owners need to continue to bend (and they have compromised on several of their issues since the initial proposal) and the players never need to compromise? Heck, I’d even like to know why you think it’s ok for the players to walk away from negotiations without ever giving the owners a counterproposal.

    Sounds more like the psycho ex-girlfriend has a BFF.

  26. dallasavengers says: May 4, 2011 7:20 PM

    Frankly, I think the players’ criticism of Goddell is just cowardice. Goddell isn’t the decision maker for any CBA. He is just the agent of the owners.

    The players don’t have the guts to criticize the individual owners by name because they know it might affect their paychecks or limit their future employment opportunities so they take their pot shots at Goddell.

  27. smacklayer says: May 4, 2011 7:22 PM

    For me the face of the whole problem is DeBag Smith and not Goodell. I think overall Goodell has done a fine job. i tis Debag who has torpedoed this ship in to the abyss and there is no easy way out for anyone now.

  28. thefiesty1 says: May 4, 2011 7:25 PM

    They’ve all got a mouth. That’s what got them in the situation they’re in now. Get back to the table and accept the last very reasonable offer from the owners and shut up and play football.

  29. chicosmith says: May 4, 2011 7:26 PM

    Is Fujita ignorant enough to this Goodell cares what he, or other players think of him? Ose players will all be gone in ten years. Goodell’s bosses will be around much longer. The beauty of the NFLmodel from the owners standpoint is that the players are, for the most part, expendable.

  30. mrfrostyj says: May 4, 2011 7:39 PM

    To the person who commented that the last two NFL presidents weren’t spoke to like this..

    The last CBA was done under Paul Tagliabue with Gene Upshaw representing the players and at the time everyone thought it was great. This mess that’s going on seems to go hand in hand with the lack of those two being involved. Goodell is a yes man who seems to be a “puppet for the owners” where Tagliabue was a former lawyer and would find away to appease both sides (remember Tagliabue stood up to a few owners when they were being unreasonable jerks on behalf of the fans). All this while D. Smith is using the NFLPA like they are a housewife fighting for insurance money after a car accident. There truly is no “good faith negotiations” on either side but at least the players are trying to keep football going while they all (“they” being the owners and players) act like spoiled children fighting over a toy.

  31. jlinatl says: May 4, 2011 7:40 PM

    Let’s see. I need to show how tough I am.

    I can’t call the owner names because I work for him. I mean… I’m tough but I’m not going to bite the hand that feeds me directly.

    Where can I childishly vent. Hey, I know. “The commissioner is a poopy head.. the commissioner is a poopy head. That’s right. I’m the man. I said it. ”

    (Ok, now all I have to to do is not fail a drug test or lead with my helmet)

  32. basketballexpert says: May 4, 2011 7:45 PM

    Sorry but the same thing can be said about that sad sack De Smith. He is just as guilty as not getting a deal done and that’s why the fans are siding with ownership.

  33. crubenst says: May 4, 2011 7:52 PM

    Browns linebacker Scott Fujita, a member of the NFLPA* Executive Committee, thinks the labor strife will stick with Goodell when dealing with players in the future. “Does he have a problem with getting the players’ respect? Absolutely,” Fujita told Silver. “No matter what happens, it might be tough for him to ever get that back. However this is resolved, I can’t say every player, but the overwhelming majority will continue to have a problem with him. And that’s too bad.”

    _____________________________________

    Let me re-phrase that: “Does (the league) have a problem with getting the (fans’) respect? Absolutely,” Fujita told Silver. “No matter what happens, it might be tough for (the league) to ever get that back. However this is resolved, I can’t say every (fan), but the overwhelming majority will continue to have a problem with (the league). And that’s too bad.”

  34. jbaxt says: May 4, 2011 7:55 PM

    Does anyone notice how it’s the “near the end of their career” guys who are causing this. If there could be a line drawn, where salaries were similar to last years, I’d bet 90% of the guys would come over and play football. The 10% left would be some of the best but they would be retiring in 2-3 years anyway so let them walk. Give those teams an extra 1st round pick if they lost an existing pro-bowler, 2nd rounder for a starter. So teams with guys like Derrick Mason and Scott Fujita better act quick because both are likely non-starters this year.

    These employees who are mad about how their bosses created the NFL and made it what it is today is non-sense. Treat these players like our bosses would treat us if we demanded a raise, send them packing (to the UFL) and let them make less money elsewhere. Greedy a-holes!!!

  35. igor1984 says: May 4, 2011 7:57 PM

    Opinions are like the thing that everyone has … well, you get the point.

    Whether the negative stigma is warranted or not, Goodell’s image will be tarnished at least in the player’s eyes. UNLESS, he makes the effort to be the true ‘custodian of the game’ the Commissioner is supposed to be and get BOTH sides together and resolve the issue.

    The owner who said Smith is like Goodell’s girlfriend has it all wrong – Goodell is the marriage counselor – if Smith is the psycho girlfriend, the owners are the self-absorbed, immature boyfriend who lives in his parents’ basement. Both parties are ‘messed-up’ and need to ‘grow-up’ and appreciate each other … time for a group hug and cue the “I got you babe” music from Sonny and Cher and get this deal put together!

  36. fillyfan says: May 4, 2011 8:03 PM

    Three unidentified players, 2 idiots and an NFLPA player rep = ” more and more players”…?!

    Very subjective and unprovable assertion. Again, no objective discussion of issues, just name calling…

  37. crycal says: May 4, 2011 8:04 PM

    See this is the root cause of the problem. The players think that they are on par with Goodell and partners in the NFL. They are not, in fact they would do well to remember that this man is the man who when football starts up can dole out suspensions and fine them their money. They might want to show some respect for him.

    Goodell is the champion of the NFL right now. He is protecting and fighting for what makes the sport great. Too many of us are willing to give anything just to have football even if it means losing everything that makes it great. He is holding fast on the core values of the NFL and he won’t budge from those values, and for that I salute him.

  38. Deb says: May 4, 2011 8:05 PM

    My issues with Goodell have nothing to do with the labor dispute, and will still be there when this is resolved. As long as Goodell continues pandering to special interest groups and advocating European expansion and UK games, I will hope he loses his job.

  39. moochzilla says: May 4, 2011 8:06 PM

    Goodell set himself up as the advocate for the fans, that was his brand positioning.

    So, yeah, as we’ve come to realize that he’s just a mouthpiece for the owners, we’re a tad disillusioned.

    But we were naive for ever thinking anyone would put the game ahead of the business of the game.

  40. dennis2488 says: May 4, 2011 8:30 PM

    the funny thing about the labor situation is that the owners might have a shot of winning if it werent for goodell. all of the players, fans, and agents are unified in their hatred of this man. i long for the days of paul tagliabue.

  41. onthewagonsince90 says: May 4, 2011 8:35 PM

    I love how Ralph Wilson and one other owner were criticized and abused by the media and other owners because they were the only two to vote against the last CBA..

    Damn shame he cant put a winner on the field though..

  42. eslaught says: May 4, 2011 8:48 PM

    What channel is the UFL on?

  43. odessabucs says: May 4, 2011 9:05 PM

    Brees & Manning are in the end going to regret agreeing to be the face of the NFLPA.

    As to Goodell and certain players being unhappy with him. For the most part, certainly not all, the typical NFL player is an extremely gifted athlete competing at the highest level, who didn’t graduate from college, who was carted into college with tutors and who takes courses like under water basket weaving.

    And I suspect many of them have problems reading at an eighth grade level.

    WTF do they know about any of this?

  44. canadianvikingfaniii says: May 4, 2011 9:10 PM

    Both sides of this whole debacle suck. The difference is that the players continue to make themselves look childish and stupid with outlandish comments on slavery, Osama and going to the mall.

  45. odessabucs says: May 4, 2011 9:19 PM

    Perhaps I’m being a bit harsh, but these players are being led around by the nose by the agents and the union.

    This is a business that has benefited all.

    The owners need to be more honest and forthcoming and there are reasonable ways to do that.

    Goodell needs to lead and solve this.

  46. FinFan68 says: May 4, 2011 9:28 PM

    flaccotoboldin says:
    May 4, 2011 6:50 PM
    Quick 101 for the people blaming the players:

    1) the Players get paid a portion of the salary cap
    2) the salary cap is determined by a % of Revenue
    3) therefore, the player costs can NEVER outpace revenue

    So, we have 1 of a few things happening here:

    1) the Owners are lying when they cry poor
    2) the Owners are “poor”, but because they have increased expenditures (and i say prove it with those 10 years of audited league statements you balk at)
    3) greedy owners are making a money grab in a bad economy where people are less sympathetic to labor for some stupid reason

    Newsflash – the solution to getting more profit isn’t always cutting labor costs. That is just plain lazy as a capitalist.
    —————————-
    You are partially correct and have formulated this argument based on bias or ignorance.

    The owners NEVER said anything about being poor. They said that the profit margins are shrinking. Looking at the economy, the price of everything is going up. That means it is not illogical that owner expenses/operating costs are increasing. The players percentage is based on total revenue before any “bills” are paid. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that rising expenses will eat into the profits and the only group that effects is the owners.

    The players were never going to take a pay cut. That was debunked long ago. The only issue was that they would make more money as long as the league continued to grow the overall revenue, but the percentage would drop. They would still be making more money but at a slower rate of growth…that’s it. That’s why they decertified and attacked the game itself via anti-trust lawsuits. If the players keep contending they are partners, then why can’t they share some of the fiscal realities with the league? It is OK for the owners to make less money as long as the players keep “what is owed to them”. This scenario is what the league means when they say it is unsustainable.

    To think that the league is trying to destroy the game is absurd because the owners are in it for the long haul. It is the players that are temporary benefactors and they want as much as possible right now. Which side seems more greedy?

    As for the “show me the books” rant. That is nothing more than a bumper sticker slogan that is easily thrown around by those easily swayed or predisposed to side with a union. The league offered to give the players audited books for the last 5 years. The players balked because they don’t want “profit numbers” (Isn’t that what they wanted proof of? Shrinking profits?) The truth is that the lawyers just wanted the raw data so that every expense can be scrutinized much like what is happening in the NBA right now. The owners were correct to not give them that raw data. The players just wanted to be able to dictate which expenses should be cut before they give up their rising rate of compensation. It is a bogus argument.

  47. FinFan68 says: May 4, 2011 9:47 PM

    mrfrostyj says:
    May 4, 2011 7:39 PM
    There truly is no “good faith negotiations” on either side but at least the players are trying to keep football going …
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Please don’t be fooled by the “we just want to play football” BS. The players are trying to pawn that off as some kind of mantra that the fans can support. The fact is the players want to play for one reason, and one reason only…most of their pay comes in the form of game checks. They want to play because they want to get paid, not because they are “looking out for the fans”.

  48. Deb says: May 4, 2011 9:49 PM

    I get thumbs down now every time I criticize Goodell for championing European expansion and UK games. Most PFTers have always posted how much they hate those UK games and the idea of European expansion. So how did the lockout change that? :roll:

  49. veraky says: May 4, 2011 10:04 PM

    @flaccotoboldin

    Of course player costs can never outpace revenue, when it’s a percentage of revenue, a first grader could tell you that. The problem is that while revenue is increasing, thus increasing money coming in to both players and owners, the cost of operating a business has increased substantially. Things such as health insurance, employee benefits and wages (non football & football players) etc etc have all gone up over the years and since, potentially, that all comes out of the owners pockets they are getting a smaller and smaller slice of the pie. Look at the Packers who 4 -5 years ago posted 30+ million in profits now down to around 10 million at present. If I am going to be an owner and spend 100’s of millions to buy a team, a 10 mill and steadily declining profit aint going to cut it, it would take way to long to get a return on the initial investment and then add additional costs such as building a new stadium/stadium renovations and upkeep you could go into the negative pretty quick. Now some teams may be making significant profits but you can’t base a CBA on the success of a few teams, it has to make sense for a majority of the teams which it appears it hasn’t. And that’s basically IMO why the profit sharing isn’t working for the owners, it’s just not a realistic business model.

  50. goldsteel says: May 4, 2011 10:41 PM

    I won’t miss Goodell whenever he is gone. He works for the owners and attempts to articulate the league’s position on issues. He adds nothing to the discussion. He is there for public consumption. All he has to do is look good and make stupid decisions.

    I don’t like him because he is ruining the game of football and his ascension to commissioner was the Art Rooney II’s biggest mistake. Goodell wouldn’t be commissioner without Art.

  51. digirootune says: May 4, 2011 10:51 PM

    If both sides have reps trolling popular sports/comment sites to keep tabs on general fan base opinion on ‘who’ is at fault for this situation (which they should), I would say the owners have to be feeling pretty good right now.

  52. dennis2488 says: May 4, 2011 11:27 PM

    goodell is suppose to work for the owners thats really what a commissioners main job is. he is just so awful at his job and so unlikable.

  53. Canyonero says: May 5, 2011 12:06 AM

    The draft has had military on stage quite a few times, that wasn’t a dodge.

    Mentioning the tornado victims right away did seem planned. But at the same time, he stood there and took boos raining down for minutes, saying only “I hear you.”

    At some point he’s got to interrupt and get control of the room. Using the tornado storms struck a wrong note somehow, but I really don’t have a problem with that when nitpicking the commish.

    It was his campaign for an 18-game season.

  54. mick730 says: May 5, 2011 12:07 AM

    Nobody cares what the players think or who they respect. We don’t care how much they view themselves as “slaves”, how much sympathy they have for Bin Laden, or how much they hate the Commissioner.

    The players are supposed to play football. Like small children, they should be seen and not heard. And in their particular case, only seen on the football field.

    They are all immenently and totally replaceable. They are no more imporant to the long term viability of the NFL than the plastic little guys on the vibrating electric football field I played with as a kid.

    Scott Fujita? Would anybody even notice if he played in 2011? Does anybody remember him playing in 2010?

    And Chester Pitts? Please.

  55. mick730 says: May 5, 2011 12:09 AM

    “I get thumbs down now every time I criticize Goodell for championing European expansion and UK games. Most PFTers have always posted how much they hate those UK games and the idea of European expansion. So how did the lockout change that? ”

    It didn’t. It’s just that must of us like you even less than we like De Dig it.

  56. angrynflfan says: May 5, 2011 12:44 AM

    flaccotoboldin says:
    May 4, 2011 6:50 PM
    Quick 101 for the people blaming the players:

    1) the Players get paid a portion of the salary cap
    Response: incorrect, the players get paid all of the salary cap.
    2) the salary cap is determined by a % of Revenue
    Clarification: The players salary cap is equal to 60% of revenue after the 1st $1B, The players 60% is a larger # than the owners 40% + the 1st $1B so the players make more than the owners and the owners still have to foot all of the bills out of their smaller share. When the last CBA was made these #’s did not work out this way…The owners made more total $ than the players and paid the bills.
    3) therefore, the player costs can NEVER outpace revenue
    True but misleading. Player costs can outpace revenue+ expenses

    my add on: the players ARE NOT being asked to take a pay CUT, they are being asked to take a decrease in their rate of increase which is entirely different. The salary cap will still go up, and go up fast based on the last offer from the NFL.

    So, we have 1 of a few things happening here:

    1) the Owners are lying when they cry poor
    Get your facts straight: they haven’t cried “poor” they are crying “the deal is no longer fair”
    2) the Owners are “poor”, but because they have increased expenditures (and i say prove it with those 10 years of audited league statements you balk at)
    Standard business practice is 7 years, why would they ask for something different? And really what is the goal here? to determine total profitability or to make the owners spending policies accountable to the players? if it’s latter then that will not and should never happen. Do you really think Billionare business men should explain their spending to players with a $100,000.00 bar tab, 13 year vets that are bankrupt, etc…
    3) greedy owners are making a money grab in a bad economy where people are less sympathetic to labor for some stupid reason
    It’s not a moneygrab when you are just trying to get the business model back to being a sound one.

  57. southyank7 says: May 5, 2011 1:10 AM

    problem
    #1 Jerry Jones
    #2 Roger Goodell
    #3 De. Smith
    #4 Jerry Richardson
    #5 rest of the owners
    #6 rest of the lawyers for both sides
    #7 the already over-crowded court system having to deal with these spoiled brats…

  58. grandpoopah says: May 5, 2011 2:05 AM

    Dear Roger Goodell interns:

    Thank you for your interest in profootbaltalk.com. We get that you have registered for 9,000 different PFT usernames in the past few weeks since your bosses locked the players out, so that you can continuously bombard this message board with your pro-owners propaganda. Seriously, we get it. Now, please go away. Call into Rush or tweet to Fox News. Whatever. PFT is one of the few diversions some of us still have. Please don’t ruin this too. Please go away. Please.

  59. CKL says: May 5, 2011 2:32 AM

    I don’t care for Goodell or Smith but that player who commented about how he hoped some of the 1st rounders would “nut up” and blow off the onstage handshake really ticked me off because Von Miller was the biggest hypocrite of ‘em all because he is the named plaintiff on the suit for the purpose of challenging the draft then he SHOWS UP in NY and does the requisite kissy facing with Goodell. Even though I disagree with his position on eliminating the draft (I consider that his position because there’s an even worse name for a guy who puts his name to something he doesn’t believe)I would have respected him a lot more if he had sacrificed his personal desire to be in NY to reinforce the point his presence on the lawsuit is making.

  60. kevinfromphilly says: May 5, 2011 6:35 AM

    digirootine, there already ARE reps from the NFL side trolling this site – you can tell by how many “Thumbs up” votes go to any comment that calls the NFLPA morons.

  61. saints25 says: May 5, 2011 6:37 AM

    @goldsteel ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………

    the owners pay him…this is the only Professional sport (NFL)where the players dont pay there commish…I dont think the players understand who there messing with..Business owners have the BEST lawyers in the US….If players are sitting back,thinking the owners stand to lose more without a football season,then there wrong…I’ve said it all along ,and get thumbs down..”FANS WILL PAY FOR THE PLAYERS SIDES BEING STUPID”

  62. fin72 says: May 5, 2011 6:52 AM

    “Roger is trying to do business,” the unnamed owner told Silver, “and De [Smith] is like a psycho girlfriend who doesn’t know what he wants, doesn’t understand what he’s involved in and [who] you can’t reason with. With psycho girlfriends, at least you can move on eventually. But Roger is stuck with him right now.”
    ________________________________
    Um, let me take a wild guess here… Jim Irsay?

  63. eagleswin says: May 5, 2011 7:11 AM

    Pitts, the Seahawks’ NFLPA player rep, said in response, “I’ve told my guys to take the letter and set it on fire. We’re not that stupid.”

    ———————–

    Did the union ever prove that anything in that letter was false or was it just more convenient to keep the rank and file in the dark and hating the owners?

  64. geo1113 says: May 5, 2011 7:32 AM

    dennis2488 says:
    May 4, 2011 8:30 PM
    the funny thing about the labor situation is that the owners might have a shot of winning if it werent for goodell. all of the players, fans, and agents are unified in their hatred of this man. i long for the days of paul tagliabue.

    ____________________________

    The owners are 100% behind Goodell. He is their agent. To buy your logic would mean that the owners would just say ok De Smith tell us what you want and we will give it to you is insane.

  65. geo1113 says: May 5, 2011 7:38 AM

    grandpoopah says:
    May 5, 2011 2:05 AM
    Dear Roger Goodell interns:

    Thank you for your interest in profootbaltalk.com. We get that you have registered for 9,000 different PFT usernames in the past few weeks since your bosses locked the players out, so that you can continuously bombard this message board with your pro-owners propaganda. Seriously, we get it. Now, please go away. Call into Rush or tweet to Fox News. Whatever. PFT is one of the few diversions some of us still have. Please don’t ruin this too. Please go away. Please.

    ______________________

    If PFT is one of the few diversions that you have, then you are the moron. Go watch Rachel Maddow, Cenk Uygur, and Ed Schultz.

  66. chapnastier says: May 5, 2011 8:03 AM

    grandpoopah says: May 5, 2011 2:05 AM

    Dear Roger Goodell interns:

    Thank you for your interest in profootbaltalk.com. We get that you have registered for 9,000 different PFT usernames in the past few weeks since your bosses locked the players out, so that you can continuously bombard this message board with your pro-owners propaganda. Seriously, we get it. Now, please go away. Call into Rush or tweet to Fox News. Whatever. PFT is one of the few diversions some of us still have. Please don’t ruin this too. Please go away. Please.
    —————————————————-

    What does Rush or Fox News have to do with this? Your political affiliation should have anything to do with this situation, just like with Fox News since anyone who has spent 10 minutes of their lives actually watching Fox understands that people like you are morons. This is about the longevity of the sport we love. This isn’t so much about “union busting” or being anti union at all. This is about the players acting like they are above being the employees that they really are, making demands that have nothing to do with being professional, calling themselves slaves and refusing to negotiate. Stop injecting politics onto a football site. We don’t need it.

  67. sneaky1632 says: May 5, 2011 8:12 AM

    Where is paul Tagliabue when you need him?

  68. geo1113 says: May 5, 2011 8:34 AM

    sneaky1632 says:
    May 5, 2011 8:12 AM
    Where is paul Tagliabue when you need him?
    ________________________

    What are you talking about? Tagliabue is the one who started this mess.

  69. anthonyfromstatenisland says: May 5, 2011 8:46 AM

    Let these players suffer from teething pain?

    Not when there’s Anbesol!

  70. captainobvious1 says: May 5, 2011 9:10 AM

    I wish I could hire all the people here who keep reiterating the owners’ stance that “expenses are going up.” I’d cut your pay and benefits all the while asking you to work more hours and not only would you not complain – you’d love it!

    No one actually knows the financial position of any team except for the Packers and extrapolating their information to the rest of the league is quite possibly very misleading given their small market stature. I’ve said all along, and I continue to think that the real issue here is that the owners can’t find an agreeable way to divide the revenue amongst themselves, so they want to take it from the players.

    That said, it seemed that the two sides were close before the players walked out of the negotiations and filed suit. So they have a big role in this mess too. I just don’t think that it’s all on the players.

  71. FinFan68 says: May 5, 2011 9:39 AM

    @captainobvious,
    Many who support the owners in this mess actually disagree with some of their positions (18 game season, European expansion, etc) yet support their overall objective of sustainable NFL football over the long-term. Your premise that the players pay/benefits are being cut is incorrect. They would still make gains under what the league last proposed but the growth rate would be slowed. The benefits like health care would have increased as well and the owners dropped the 18 game garbage and REDUCED pre-season work for the players. Your point about the strife between the owners has merit and BOTH sides share the blame in this mess. There are some points that the players are correct on but they have invalidated those issues by being belligerent and running to the court to artificially produce leverage in the negotiations. They are attacking many things that have made the game great like the draft, free agency limitations, etc. The players’ side has argued that the decert is not a sham and they have argued that the attacks on the draft are merely for leverage and they don’t really want to do it. Both of those arguments are contradictory and have been used at different points in the legal tussle. You may disagree with what the owners’ position is but they have been consistent throughout the process. The only times they have reversed course was when they attempted to make concessions in the negotiations…something the players have yet to do.

  72. eagleswin says: May 5, 2011 10:04 AM

    captainobvious1 says:May 5, 2011 9:10 AM

    I wish I could hire all the people here who keep reiterating the owners’ stance that “expenses are going up.” I’d cut your pay and benefits all the while asking you to work more hours and not only would you not complain – you’d love it!

    ——————————————-

    According to the owners last offer, they are asking for none of the above. In fact, they have never asked the players to take a pay cut nor reduce their benefits once since this whole thing started.

    It sounds like another proplayer supporter has not done his homework.

  73. bigd9484 says: May 5, 2011 10:24 AM

    HAHAHA demaurice = psycho ex. That’s about the most accurate analogy for him yet.

    PS: dear people who are sticking up for the players: Please present to the rest of us who use logic on a daily basis the last PROPOSAL the UNION actually SUBMITTED…

    waiting…

  74. macjacmccoy says: May 5, 2011 11:38 AM

    ” One questioned the moment of silence for the tornado victims as a device for short-circuiting a torrent of boos. Another was suspicious of the use of military personnel as shields against further booing.”

    That was exactly what I thought as soon as it happened. That he was using the torando as away to stop the crowd from booing. I was disgusted. It was a cheap classless move and I have no doubt it was planned. You would have to be very nieve to believe those 32 billionaires and all those millionaire league officials and lawyers didnt talk about and have a plan on how they would handle the booing at the start of the draft. These guys built there fortunes by making cold calculating decisions. You dont become that rich by being nice. So using the tragedies in Alabama as a business tactic is just another day in the office for these guys.

    When I saw what Goodell was doing I never felt more ashamed and disgusted about what the NFL was becoming then I did at that moment.

  75. Deb says: May 5, 2011 11:41 AM

    mick730 says:

    Deb says:
    “I get thumbs down now every time I criticize Goodell for championing European expansion and UK games. Most PFTers have always posted how much they hate those UK games and the idea of European expansion. So how did the lockout change that? ”

    It didn’t. It’s just that must of us like you even less than we like De Dig it.

    ———————————————–
    Hon, in a good month this site gets about 8 million unique visitors of whom fewer than 7 percent bother to leave comments or click thumbs. So neither of us knows how most readers feel. Among the commenters, my positive and negative feedback is about even. But it warms my heart to realize you’re more interested in responding to me personally than the issues being discussed. Shows you care :D

  76. westcoastpackerfan says: May 5, 2011 1:04 PM

    “Players are momentary, the league is forever.”

    This quote is accurate, and all the more reason the players need to fight to get their share for the few years where they do enjoy their success. the NFL is a juggernaut that will continue to earn billions for years to come, players moment to earn their millions is fleeting, and they need to take advantage while they still can.

  77. nmeagle33 says: May 5, 2011 2:19 PM

    BOO PLAYERS; IF THEY PAID ATTENTION IN SCHOOL THEY MIGHT UNDERSTAND PRESENT SITUATION THEY’RE IN. (caps intentional)

    THEIR ELECTION OF SMITH SHOWS HOW LIMITED THEIR UNDERSTANDING IS.

  78. captainobvious1 says: May 6, 2011 9:04 AM

    I doubt anyone is still commenting on this board but people are misunderstanding my comments. First, I am not pro-player. I’m just not pro-owner. Second, while it is true that the owners have not asked the players to take a pay cut this year, the owners most recent offer would decrease the total percentage of revenue on an annualized basis that is available to players. This is due to the fact that any increases in revenue above and beyond the NFL’s forecast would not be shared with the players, thus decreasing the percentage of revenue available to the players. So while you are correct that in absolute terms it is highly unlikely that the players are taking a pay cut, they will be losing out on a percentage basis. Which is really what this whole thing is about isn’t it.

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