“In 2009 you cared enough to register for the website of the Jacksonville newspaper just to post about Jaguars attendance.”

Oh was there a deadline to register before? And after which one could no longer comment without you permission? Didn’t know you were policing comment dates.

“In the case of the Chargers and Raiders, they both are AFC teams in California that struggle with ticket sales and both are in need of new stadiums.”

Actually all the named teams have attendance issues. And the Raiders, Chargers, and Jags are at the bottom in franchise value. Nice spin work but falling short.

“I think it’s pretty clear that you either really have something against the Jaguars (or the city of Jacksonville) . . .”

Actually I don’t. I just point out facts that fly in the face of Jags fans (As in fanatics) beliefs about their franchise.

Attendance? Fans think it is great, it isn’t really. Fan support matters? No, not really.
Team will never move? No, not really. Look if the Colts moved, anybody can move. (Except for Green Bay, and the NFL would love to end the public ownership of the team.)

” . . .or you are somebody with some interest in a team (specifically the Jaguars) moving to Los Angeles.”

I do have an interest, mainly that I have money burning a hole in my pocket to support an LA team. The Jags are just one of the many suspects. If they move, great! If they don’t, I will not care one iota.

“It’s unlikely somebody would have the numbers you have at your disposal unless they had an ulterior motive.”

Actually the numbers at my disposal are simply the product of doing internet searches. All the info I post can be found in newspapers, journals, and magazines.

Ulterior motive? No. I think I am pretty above board with my motives.

But the Jaguars should move and give California a third AFC team despite the above.

I think it’s pretty clear that you either really have something against the Jaguars (or the city of Jacksonville) or you are somebody with some interest in a team (specifically the Jaguars) moving to Los Angeles. It’s unlikely somebody would have the numbers you have at your disposal unless they had an ulterior motive.

“The Jaguars are hardly the only team offering payment plans to fans for season tickets.

The Buccaneers, Chargers, Chiefs, Dolphins, and Raiders are among other teams that also offer payment plans for season tickets. I would not be surprised to find out that more teams offer similar plans.”

Thanks. And what do those teams have in common?

The Buccaneers, Chargers, Chiefs, Dolphins, and Raiders are among other teams that also offer payment plans for season tickets. I would not be surprised to find out that more teams offer similar plans.

“I’ve got to assume you are from LA, so nothing I say will keep you and the other Jag bashers from banging the 2008 drum in 2011 . . .”

2008 is pretty close to 2010 (97% of the stadium filled on average) so why should that be an issue?

“However, follow me here….. there are wealthy people in the Jacksonville area who also love the city like Weaver does, and could agree that the team should stay here and Weaver could sell to them where keeping the team here is a condition of the sale….plus if he was just in it for moving the value above a billion or whatever youre guessing, he probably would have put it in motion during the down years of 2008/2009 when attendance and the team was down.”

Lot of ‘ifs’ there. You seem to have made up their minds for them, in the future we may see if they agree.

” . . .attendance is good . . . ”
It is? 97% of the bowl filled. Suites and club seats empty? Cut rate ticket prices and zero percent financing to entice fans? Ok if you say so…….

“Reasons that nobody on here cares about and reason that will be forgotten as this page sinks to the internet abyss.”

Well you must as you have taken time to comment.

“Don’t you have anything better to do?”

Interesting. I shouldn’t take the time to comment but you can? And when did you get the power over who can and cannot comment here?

How I despise that man.

Don’t you have anything better to do?

could you imagine getting drafted by Toronto. & would they pay in loonies or dollars?

I’m sorry, do you mean that loonie that’s worth more than your dollar right now?

“63K every sunday in a city a little over a million beg to differ but thats ok.”

Not really. Many seasons with no sellouts, so not every Sunday. But you go right on believing.

“By the way, Weaver has gone on record a lot of times about the team never leaving Jax, saying he will indeed sell the team when it is time, but to someone or group of someones who have the same passion about this city . . .”

Of course once sold he has no say at all about it. The bottom line?

Forbes franchise values:
#32 Jacksonville Jaguars- $725 mil

That poor number is a result of a small market. So if an owner is willing to sit at the bottom of the revenue list so be it. Just keep in mind that a move to LA will shoot that number above $1 billion.

63K every sunday in a city a little over a million beg to differ but thats ok. By the way, Weaver has gone on record a lot of times about the team never leaving Jax, saying he will indeed sell the team when it is time, but to someone or group of someones who have the same passion about this city and keeping the team here, something that 32 billionaires in the world who get to own an NFL team have the liberty to do.

let me fix this for you:

“The Jags aren’t leaving Jacksonville, period*”

*= This statement is valid until the day Wayne Weaver sells the team.

I just listened to Doug Ford on The Fan590.

First of all, he apologized for mentioning New Orleans as a possible team, his information was obviously old.

Secondly, he mentioned that one of the ideas regarding the stadium issue is to dig down enough to add another 15,000 seats.

Are you absolutely positive that corporations can own an NFL team?

Good points. So then, even if the Rogers Centre was big enough as is, they couldn’t play there anyway, right?

“When Mr. Wilson does pass…remember the name Terry Pegula.”

This is what you should remember:

Forbes NFL Team Valuations:
#28- Buffalo Bills-$799 million

That is the number that matters. If a potential owner thinks that number will go up with a move, then bye bye Bills.

“So, the Jags sold out last year.”

Wrong. The Jags averaged 93% of the stadium filled.

“That’s because they have a tarp over part of the the stadium.”

Wrong. They avoided blackouts by offering special financing and cutting ticket prices. Even so they almost had two blackouts but were able to get extensions from the league which allowed them to sell the tickets and avoid the blackout.

“Jacksonville never has completely sold out a full stadium in a long time . . .”

Partially true. They did pretty good in 2006 with 99% of the stadium filled. 2009 was miserable though…….

“Wow, you need a little help on your info my friend, so I’m here.”

And you need some as well so let me help you….

“Everbank Field holds 84,000 people without the tarps and 67,000 with the tarps.”

Actually 76k without the tarps.

“The stadium was built to continue to host the FL/GA college game.”

Actually the stadium was being renovated to continue to host the FL/GA game when additional monies were added in order to bring the stadium up to NFL standards.

“The tarps were installed to make this stadium up to par with every other NFL stadium in the league.”

Funny that they weren’t installed until 2005 as a result of blackouts. If the tarps were installed to bring the stadium up to par, then why wait ten years after it opened to do it?

By the way.Most Bills fans are sick of sharing home games with Toronto. It’s like loaning out your wife one day out of 8. Kinda.

Wow, you need a little help on your info my friend, so I’m here. Don’t take everything you read on PFT to heart. Everbank Field holds 84,000 people without the tarps and 67,000 with the tarps. The stadium was built to continue to host the FL/GA college game. The tarps were installed to make this stadium up to par with every other NFL stadium in the league. See you wouldn’t know this b/c you don’t have a clue about Jacksonville, based on the fact that you brought up the Coughlin years.

Now I know here is where you’re going to go research and pull up some old clipping when the Jags were horrible at the end of the Coughlin era and fans were aggrivated to try and prove me wrong, but save your precious time. I already know the truth. So just worry about your beloved Redskins and tell Daniel Snyder if he keeps opening up his checkbook and keep spending millions ONE day he’ll buy a championship. Nice try though guy. See you around.

That part about people who actually know Toronto wasn’t directed at you. I guess I could have been clearer about that.

You’re right that a franchise in Toronto would mean trouble for the Bills. I’d still go to Bills games but I’m sure many others wouldn’t.

When Jim Kelly coyly mentioned last fall that he would be part of an investment group to purchase the Bills, and that he already “has people in line” I believe he may have been referring to Mr. Pegula.

So, the Jags sold out last year. That’s because they have a tarp over part of the the stadium. Jacksonville never has completely sold out a full stadium in a long time, even during the Coughlin years when they were winning. That franchise will be relocated eventually.

LA will have a franchise within 2 years after a new CBA is agreed 2.

I lived in Buffalo for 28 years. Not exactly thousands of miles from toronto. I have many Canadian friends and I do 60% of my business in Canada. I’m very familiar with Toronto.

There are a ton of Bills fans in Toronto. I have no doubt that Toronto could support a team of their own, but given the option between 2 teams, they would choose the Toronto “whatevers” over the Bills……how many people in Toronto are Sabres fans?

My only argument was that it would hurt the Bills if the Canadian (toronto area) football fans had another option.

They Mayor of Toronto is basically slapping the face of the oldest teams in sports.

First off we have the Pan Am games which is going to cost the city 100 Million if not more.

A new stadium would cost close to a billion for an NFL team or close to that anyways.

Paul Godfrey who brought the Jays to town has been trying to get a team since the 70s and we still don’t have one.

Other issues I read about is the revenue sharing from TV revenue. A team in Toronto would do nothing for the broadcasters in the U.S. in terms of adverstising dollars since the CRTC regulates that all commercials here in Canada have to be Canadian content only.

TV revenue from a Canadian broadcaster would be nothing compared to the U.S. Broadcasters. I heard on the Radio a TSN rep said that they might pay only as much as 20 million per season for the NFL rights up here. That is because of only 16 games would be broadcast for the local team.

Rob Ford is a good Mayor but he is living a dream over this. Not to mention the fact that they have yet to sellout one of the Bills games up here so far.

Most people in Toronto aren’t Bills fans, anyway. The Bills are one of the more popular teams but it’s really like the United Nations here. Pretty much every team has a fanbase, just of differing sizes.

That’s what makes it ridiculous when people say that the games at Rogers Centre somehow prove that Toronto can’t support an NFL team. The fact is, most of us aren’t Bills fans and those who are can easily go to a game in Buffalo for a fraction of the price and have a better experience.

Those who actually know Toronto (as opposed to people a thousand miles away in some other part of the country -but hey it’s all Canada, right?) know that there is absolutely no question that an NFL team in Toronto would do very well. The population base can easily support a team and it would be among the most successful in getting the all-important corporate dollars.