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Latest Cardinals rumor ties team to Kyle Orton

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We’ve heard about Kevin Kolb as a candidate to join the Cardinals enough this week; we were due to hear another name soon.

We know Donovan McNabb isn’t the guy, so how about Kyle Orton?  Tim Ring of 3TV in Phoenix reports the Cardinals have made preliminary contact with Denver regarding Orton.

The wording is interesting.  When was the preliminary contact made?  Ring says the contact wasn’t necessarily “serious” but the Broncos believe Orton could be a fallback option to Kolb for Arizona if the Cardinals are unable to make a deal with the Eagles.

With all due respect to Ring, we’re used to our Cardinals news coming from different sources.  And we’d be cautious looking at trade rumors floated during a time in the lockout when there is less news than ever.

Still, Orton has been somewhat forgotten as a candidate for teams that need a quarterback this offseason.

For teams like the Cardinals, Seahawks, and Titans, Orton would qualify as a significant upgrade and might just be the best quarterback available this offseason.  Including Kolb.

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  1. snowpea84 says: May 6, 2011 9:54 AM

    I like Orton. You can win a Super Bowl with him. I’d take him over a guy like Flacco, or Bulger, or Eli any day of the week.

  2. chuckyd97 says: May 6, 2011 9:58 AM

    I am a Bengals fan, but i think they would do better getting either Palmer or Bulger

  3. thereisalwaysnextyear says: May 6, 2011 10:04 AM

    I just heard possible Orton to Skins for Haynsworth straight up. Doesn’t make sense to me, if I were Broncos I’d insist on contingent draft pick in case Fat Albert acts like a Diva.

  4. louderthanwords1 says: May 6, 2011 10:09 AM

    Snowpea84 – You can win a superbowl with Orton? Really? So how many rings does he have? And how many does Eli have?

  5. champgiff says: May 6, 2011 10:12 AM

    Kyle Orton is a good QB in a structured offense, that calls for no improvisation, no “it” factor, and a classic neckbeard.

  6. comeonnowguys says: May 6, 2011 10:18 AM

    @champgiff

    “Kyle Orton is a good QB in a structured offense, that calls for no improvisation, no “it” factor, and a classic neckbeard.”

    And one that requires no accuracy or arm strength for passes longer than 20 yards.

  7. chatham10 says: May 6, 2011 10:18 AM

    Rumors are like “rear ends” everybody has one.

  8. lacharger2112 says: May 6, 2011 10:19 AM

    Snowpea84-
    Trent Dilfer won a Superbowl. What’s your point?

  9. fan555 says: May 6, 2011 10:23 AM

    Fitzgerald would catch over 100 passes if Orton was QB. Orton is an extremely accurate short-range passer. There is no way that the Eagles will trade Kolb to the Redskins so there will be a war over getting Orton.

  10. ukniner says: May 6, 2011 10:26 AM

    @Snowpea84

    Dan Marino never won a Superbowl – guess he sucked too?

  11. joemontanawasthegreatest says: May 6, 2011 10:28 AM

    Brad Johnson, Jim Plunkett and Jeff Hostettler have hoisted the trophy before too. They guys all range from average to slightly above.

  12. willycents says: May 6, 2011 10:30 AM

    That trade would depend upon Fox’s offense. Orton and Tebow are suited to entirely different types of offense because of their skills set. Orton would be dead in the first quarter running an offense suited to Tebows strengths, and Tebow would fail in an offense set for Orton’s skill set. Either qb that Fox selects his offense for will make the other qb unsuitable for the Broncos.
    One of the two will be traded by Denver, or converted to tight end/fullback, and another qb will be collected to match the offensive scheme. If Orton is traded, look for Denver to sign either Vince Young or Jamarcus Russell to back up Tebow since they are very similar in skills sets.

    (LMAO..@those options for Denver)

  13. willycents says: May 6, 2011 10:32 AM

    LMAO twice, think about Jamarcus Russell beating out Tebow for starting qb position..ROFLMAO

  14. jhorton83 says: May 6, 2011 10:36 AM

    The problems with the Broncos the past couple years certainly haven’t been Orton’s fault. He’s actually been one of the lone bright spots. He helped turn friggin’ Brandon Lloyd into the NFL’s leading receiver last year. The Broncos sucked because they had absolutely no running game, the worst defense in the NFL, and a terrible head coach. So Orton would be a great pick-up for a team looking for a quarterback. Kolb would probably be a better choice long-term, but Orton is a way better quarterback than Bulger (who hasn’t had a QB rating higher than 71 since 2006) or Hasselbeck (who hasn’t had a QB rating higher than 75 since 2007) at this point.

  15. snaponrules says: May 6, 2011 10:40 AM

    That would leave Denver with no QB’s going into the season. The only reason to start Tebust or Quinn is if you are going after Luck next year.
    Teblows at Qb would give Denver the first or second pick again next year.

  16. ezg1 says: May 6, 2011 11:01 AM

    Big Andy trying to snooker some sucker with Kolb. I think what people saw against the Pack last year (Face Planted), while running for his life, is the Real Kolb. Reid did it to Washington last year, who will be this years……..

  17. kissbillsrings says: May 6, 2011 11:20 AM

    I’d take a proven QB like Orton over Kolb in a second…Arizona, if this is true, you may have just won your division…..

  18. thereisalwaysnextyear says: May 6, 2011 11:27 AM

    comeonnowguys says:
    May 6, 2011 10:18 AM
    @champgiff

    “Kyle Orton is a good QB in a structured offense, that calls for no improvisation, no “it” factor, and a classic neckbeard.”

    And one that requires no accuracy or arm strength for passes longer than 20 yards.

    I have to disagree. He did throw for 3,600 yards, 20 TD’s and only 9 pics, and didn’t play all the games. He averaged 7.3 yards per attempt which ranked 7th in AFC and he averaged 12.5 yards per completion which was higher than Tom Brady! Orton can get it downfield. He just doesn’t get credit.

  19. feldman9000 says: May 6, 2011 11:29 AM

    This bothers me. I thought he would be the ideal candidate for the Panthers, but in reality, he’s the perfect fit for John Fox. The fact that there’s a chance he’s available now really pisses me off. He would be a great addition and maybe somebody we’ll pursue. B/c Denver, as long as Fox is there, your boy Tebow will be collecting dust on the sideline.

  20. 52sackmachine says: May 6, 2011 11:45 AM

    Kolb is concussion prone..just ask Clay Matthews!!

  21. reggietfromda623 says: May 6, 2011 11:46 AM

    I think bulger or palmer would be the best fit

  22. ravensfan4life52 says: May 6, 2011 11:46 AM

    yeah and tomorrow it’ll be a different QB and the next day it’ll be a new one. who cares? at the end of the day the Cardinals are still in the worst division in the NFL. and even with a new QB they’ll still be just an ok team. And Kevin Kolb blows. if the Cardinals trade for Kolb they’ll be looking for a new QB in a year or two. Orton might last longer.

  23. sasquatchery says: May 6, 2011 12:00 PM

    Dear Cardinals:

    For the love of all things holy, good, and wonderful in the universe –

    1. Get Orton.
    2. Ignore Kolb.
    3. High five Bulger on his way to Dancing with the Stars.

  24. oldbyrd says: May 6, 2011 12:08 PM

    Not gonna happen!!

  25. kingjoe1 says: May 6, 2011 12:14 PM

    All these rumors are doing is helping the Cards negotiate. Whichever the QB they really are targeting is, they dont want to show their hand too soon and lose leverage. Basically the Cards are using AS and the like to help themselves.

    I still am sticking with Kolb to AZ would be the best option.

  26. darksidecowboy says: May 6, 2011 12:21 PM

    I think the cards will sign TWO qb’s this year. They’ll go for Orton,Kolb,Palmer, or Hasselback. They then sign Bulger as a backup, with Skelton as a 3rd. They aren’t going to repeat the qb disaster of last year.

  27. realitypolice says: May 6, 2011 12:22 PM

    louderthanwords1 says:
    May 6, 2011 10:09 AM
    Snowpea84 – You can win a superbowl with Orton? Really? So how many rings does he have? And how many does Eli have?
    =============

    So because it hasn’t happened yet, that means is can’t ever happen? That’s some top shelf analysis by you there, big guy.

    I won’t run through the list of QB’s less talented than Orton who have won Super Bowl’s, others have already done that.

    I really don’t think there is any question that of the “available” QB’s, Orton and maybe Palmer are clearly the most ready to step in as a #1.

  28. captainwisdom8888 says: May 6, 2011 12:26 PM

    Snowpea84 – You can win a superbowl with Orton? Really? So how many rings does he have? And how many does Eli have?

    TEAMS WIN SUPERBOWLS…NOT QUARTERBACKS.

  29. purdueman says: May 6, 2011 12:26 PM

    One things for sure and that’s that Kyle Orton wants NO PART of wet-nursing glamor-boy Tebow, and I can’t blame him one bit for that.

    Elway is astute enough though to realize that turning over the keys to the franchise at this point to a very green Tebow (who has yet to even shed his training wheels), could in the long run hurt his development. He also realizes that Orton doesn’t want any part of changing Tebow’s diapers either, so he’s truly between a rock and a hard place.

    Keep Orton? You’ve got a disgruntled QB on your hands. Trade Orton? You’re rolling the dice big time that the boy wonder can suddenly and quickly grow up. Glad I’m not a Bronco’s fan!

  30. arzcardinals says: May 6, 2011 12:37 PM

    Darkside – you are DEAD ON!

    I follow the Cardinals daily and have season tickets (18 years now) and you are correct.

    The Cardinals plan is

    1) Offer 2012 first round pick to Philly for Kolb – no players, no other picks…if they say ‘no’ or we want more….on to plan 2

    2) Get trade offers out for Orton – probably next years 2nd round pick

    3) They will sign Bulger and have an open competition.

    4) If trade with Denver doesn’t work offer trade for Palmer…if too steep

    5) Call up the Redskins and get McNabb for a 6th round pick….that can be moved to a 4th if he meets incentives.

  31. stevincinci says: May 6, 2011 12:42 PM

    Count Palmer out. Mike Brown is going to make him sit out the season. Just the way it is.

  32. rajbais says: May 6, 2011 12:55 PM

    Orton is only forgotten because he’s not a “T.O. victim”, a supermodel QB, or as strong as Paul Bunyan.

    He looks like a grownup version of “Uh-huh” from ‘The Little Rascals’, so the media says “who cares!!!”

  33. purdueman says: May 6, 2011 1:20 PM

    arzcardinals says:
    May 6, 2011 12:37 PM
    Darkside – you are DEAD ON!

    I follow the Cardinals daily and have season tickets (18 years now) and you are correct.

    The Cardinals plan is

    1) Offer 2012 first round pick to Philly for Kolb – no players, no other picks…if they say ‘no’ or we want more….on to plan 2

    2) Get trade offers out for Orton – probably next years 2nd round pick

    3) They will sign Bulger and have an open competition.

    4) If trade with Denver doesn’t work offer trade for Palmer…if too steep

    5) Call up the Redskins and get McNabb for a 6th round pick….that can be moved to a 4th if he meets incentives.
    **********************************
    I don’t get why “reply” doesn’t work on certain threads, so I had to cut and paste the above in.

    arzcardinals… very well thought out and solid post. Here’s what I’d like to add to it…

    I agree that no more than a #1 pick should be surrendered in a trade for Kolb, but since Kolb next season still carries a very friendly cap number, I look for Philly to demand more for Kolb (at least a #1 and a #3). It’s a sellers market, so I think that they can get it too.

    When Denver floated the idea of trading Orton right after the end of last season they were said to be asking for a #2 pick and I think that’s about right too. Trouble is, Elway I think is scared to death to turn the team over so quickly to the very inexperienced Tim Tebow (even if he does bring Jesus with him).

    I agree with the poster who said that Mike Brown in Cincinnati would rather let Carson Palmer rot than trade him, so I don’t think that’s an option for any club seeking a veteran QB.

    I disagree with you about the Cardinals signing Bulger AND trading for a veteran starter, simply because I’m sure Bulger wants to be a starter (and certainly not compete with another veteran who’s brought in at the expense of a high draft pick and by default would then become the “air” apparent).

    I think if Washington moves Mc Nabb it will be to the Vikings, where they’ll get more back in trade than what you have proposed. That would leave Matt Hasselback as a logical veteran to try and sign as a #2 QB.

    There are still a couple of “wild cards” out there that will be in play once the lockout ends too. Where will Vince Young wind up? Tennessee obviously wants to move him, but right now doesn’t have enough depth at QB to be in a hurry to do so.

    Will Washington roll the dice by resigning Rex Grossman? If not, Grossman’s in play too (not that I see him as a #1 QB, but he could be as an interim solution for teams that have drafted QB’s this year and want to buy time to develop them).

    FA Matt Lineart (obviously not an option for the Cardinals), is also in play seeking a starting opportunity, but with Hasselback being a FA as well I think that if Seattle can’t convince Cincinnati to trade Palmer to them, then that’s where Matty is going to wind up going.

    Bottom line? I honestly can’t remember any time in following the NFL for almost 50 years now when there’s been such a big separation between teams who have starting QB’s that they are sold on and those that don’t.

  34. davikes says: May 6, 2011 1:59 PM

    Hey Purdueman,

    I agree with most of what you said, except that I don’t think McNabb to the Vikes makes sense. McNabb was at his best in the west coast offense at Philly and struggled to pick up the Shanahan offense. Remember when they benched him because they had no confidence in his two minute drill ability? From reading PFT the comments seemed the be that McNabb didn’t work hard enough to pick up the new offense and master it. The Vikes used the wc offense the last several years, but from what I’ve heard, Musgrave is going with something else (I’m not sure what). Also, Chilly passed on McNabb, and Chilly knows him well. I think Frazier would be reluctant to pick up a guy connected to Chilly at this point.

    I wish the Vikes would have used their #2 for Orton and the #1 for another position. That would have made the Bears games really fun. But there is no way Orton is going to the Vikes now. Bulger or Palmer maybe. I do think Orton in AZ would the best fit for the Cards. Orton is underrated and #2 for him seems like a steal compared to some of the unproven QB’s teams took with their #1 pick. Orton put up some great numbers while running for his life most of the time.

    BTW, thanks for the sane posts not flaming everyone in sight.

  35. denverdave3 says: May 6, 2011 1:59 PM

    It seems to me that Orton to AZ for next year’s second round pick is the best deal for AZ. He is a worthy upgrade for now and less expensive than a less proven Kolb. From the Bronco’s perspective AZ’s two should become a top 10 in the round. If Tebow sucks they will have a poor record and plenty of Ammo to get Luck.

  36. tombradyswig says: May 6, 2011 2:20 PM

    52sackmachine says: May 6, 2011 11:45 AM

    Kolb is concussion prone..just ask Clay Matthews!!

    So is Rodgers, just ask ANYONE!!! lmao!!

  37. goldrush36 says: May 6, 2011 3:05 PM

    I don’t see how anyone can figure that adding a QB like Kolb or Orton would give AZ the division? They even struggled the two years they won it with Warner. They weren’t overall favorites to win the division then either. They weren’t a dominant team. They were a team that got by with a few upset victories. Warner is a future hall of famer. The thought that an average QB in Orton, and an unproven QB in Kolb….. who will probably be average at best will just coast them to a division title is insane. I’m a niners fan, but there’s an entire new system going in place, and the possibility of a long lockout. I give the rams the best shot to win regardless of AZ’s or Seattle’s new QB. I won’t rule out drastic improvement from Alex Smith under Harbaugh, but in all seriousness is there enough time to get the sytem in place? Much of the 49ers problem last year was their 2 play offense. Gore up the middle, or pass to Gore in the flat. The first year for a coach is always tough though and there’s added circumstances. I will say this though, depending on who AZ and Seattle turn to for long term QB’s…… in 2 years the nfc west isn’t going to be everyone’s bitch division to laugh at. That is one thing to count on just like in the late 90′s and start of this decade.

  38. comeonnowguys says: May 6, 2011 3:43 PM

    @thereisalwaysnextyear

    “I have to disagree. He did throw for 3,600 yards, 20 TD’s and only 9 pics, and didn’t play all the games. He averaged 7.3 yards per attempt which ranked 7th in AFC and he averaged 12.5 yards per completion which was higher than Tom Brady! Orton can get it downfield. He just doesn’t get credit.”

    Three words: Yards. After. Catch.

    Listen, I like the guy. Always have. Give him a running game and a strong defense, like he had with the Bears, and he’ll be more than adequate.

    But it’s tradeoff with him. He’s not going to lose you any games, but he won’t win any for you either. He can’t put anything on a deep ball with any type of regularity and usually winds up missing the mark when trying to do so.

  39. rabidmike says: May 6, 2011 6:20 PM

    I think the Cards are loving this. It’s like they finally figured out how to use the media’s lack of respect for them as an organization to their advantage. New day, new QB, nobody knows what they intend to do. Coach said himself when Bulger’s name surfaced, “feel free to speculate.” The reality is you got no less then 3 speculators reporting that Kolb was/is the target prior to the Cards selection @ 5 in the draft. And No, do not assume it’s Peterson for Kolb or even DRC. That’s laughable. With 7 starts, 319 pass attempts and 11 career TDs to 14 picks, Kolb a former 2nd round pick is probably worth a 2nd and a conditional in 2012. People are using the Cards to create markets for Orton or Palmer that currently do not exist. I’m not saying Kolb is the best move, although Adam Schein at Fox Sports is, I’m just saying maybe all this speculation is playing into their hands. I for one, hope so.

  40. jaypace says: May 6, 2011 6:39 PM

    When will people realize Kyle orton is not that guy. He will never take a team to the super bowl. He’s terrible on third downs and makes no plays in the red zone or when a game is tight.

  41. kyleortonsarm says: May 9, 2011 11:17 AM

    Kyle Orton already has a team

  42. tiesto49 says: May 10, 2011 1:59 AM

    Kyle Orton is who we thought he is!! And we let him off the hook!

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