“I have to disagree. He did throw for 3,600 yards, 20 TD’s and only 9 pics, and didn’t play all the games. He averaged 7.3 yards per attempt which ranked 7th in AFC and he averaged 12.5 yards per completion which was higher than Tom Brady! Orton can get it downfield. He just doesn’t get credit.”

Three words: Yards. After. Catch.

Listen, I like the guy. Always have. Give him a running game and a strong defense, like he had with the Bears, and he’ll be more than adequate.

But it’s tradeoff with him. He’s not going to lose you any games, but he won’t win any for you either. He can’t put anything on a deep ball with any type of regularity and usually winds up missing the mark when trying to do so.

Kolb is concussion prone..just ask Clay Matthews!!

So is Rodgers, just ask ANYONE!!! lmao!!

I agree with most of what you said, except that I don’t think McNabb to the Vikes makes sense. McNabb was at his best in the west coast offense at Philly and struggled to pick up the Shanahan offense. Remember when they benched him because they had no confidence in his two minute drill ability? From reading PFT the comments seemed the be that McNabb didn’t work hard enough to pick up the new offense and master it. The Vikes used the wc offense the last several years, but from what I’ve heard, Musgrave is going with something else (I’m not sure what). Also, Chilly passed on McNabb, and Chilly knows him well. I think Frazier would be reluctant to pick up a guy connected to Chilly at this point.

I wish the Vikes would have used their #2 for Orton and the #1 for another position. That would have made the Bears games really fun. But there is no way Orton is going to the Vikes now. Bulger or Palmer maybe. I do think Orton in AZ would the best fit for the Cards. Orton is underrated and #2 for him seems like a steal compared to some of the unproven QB’s teams took with their #1 pick. Orton put up some great numbers while running for his life most of the time.

BTW, thanks for the sane posts not flaming everyone in sight.

I follow the Cardinals daily and have season tickets (18 years now) and you are correct.

The Cardinals plan is

1) Offer 2012 first round pick to Philly for Kolb – no players, no other picks…if they say ‘no’ or we want more….on to plan 2

2) Get trade offers out for Orton – probably next years 2nd round pick

3) They will sign Bulger and have an open competition.

4) If trade with Denver doesn’t work offer trade for Palmer…if too steep

5) Call up the Redskins and get McNabb for a 6th round pick….that can be moved to a 4th if he meets incentives.
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arzcardinals… very well thought out and solid post. Here’s what I’d like to add to it…

I agree that no more than a #1 pick should be surrendered in a trade for Kolb, but since Kolb next season still carries a very friendly cap number, I look for Philly to demand more for Kolb (at least a #1 and a #3). It’s a sellers market, so I think that they can get it too.

When Denver floated the idea of trading Orton right after the end of last season they were said to be asking for a #2 pick and I think that’s about right too. Trouble is, Elway I think is scared to death to turn the team over so quickly to the very inexperienced Tim Tebow (even if he does bring Jesus with him).

I agree with the poster who said that Mike Brown in Cincinnati would rather let Carson Palmer rot than trade him, so I don’t think that’s an option for any club seeking a veteran QB.

I disagree with you about the Cardinals signing Bulger AND trading for a veteran starter, simply because I’m sure Bulger wants to be a starter (and certainly not compete with another veteran who’s brought in at the expense of a high draft pick and by default would then become the “air” apparent).

I think if Washington moves Mc Nabb it will be to the Vikings, where they’ll get more back in trade than what you have proposed. That would leave Matt Hasselback as a logical veteran to try and sign as a #2 QB.

There are still a couple of “wild cards” out there that will be in play once the lockout ends too. Where will Vince Young wind up? Tennessee obviously wants to move him, but right now doesn’t have enough depth at QB to be in a hurry to do so.

Will Washington roll the dice by resigning Rex Grossman? If not, Grossman’s in play too (not that I see him as a #1 QB, but he could be as an interim solution for teams that have drafted QB’s this year and want to buy time to develop them).

FA Matt Lineart (obviously not an option for the Cardinals), is also in play seeking a starting opportunity, but with Hasselback being a FA as well I think that if Seattle can’t convince Cincinnati to trade Palmer to them, then that’s where Matty is going to wind up going.

Bottom line? I honestly can’t remember any time in following the NFL for almost 50 years now when there’s been such a big separation between teams who have starting QB’s that they are sold on and those that don’t.

He looks like a grownup version of “Uh-huh” from ‘The Little Rascals’, so the media says “who cares!!!”

I follow the Cardinals daily and have season tickets (18 years now) and you are correct.

The Cardinals plan is

1) Offer 2012 first round pick to Philly for Kolb – no players, no other picks…if they say ‘no’ or we want more….on to plan 2

2) Get trade offers out for Orton – probably next years 2nd round pick

3) They will sign Bulger and have an open competition.

4) If trade with Denver doesn’t work offer trade for Palmer…if too steep

5) Call up the Redskins and get McNabb for a 6th round pick….that can be moved to a 4th if he meets incentives.

Elway is astute enough though to realize that turning over the keys to the franchise at this point to a very green Tebow (who has yet to even shed his training wheels), could in the long run hurt his development. He also realizes that Orton doesn’t want any part of changing Tebow’s diapers either, so he’s truly between a rock and a hard place.

Keep Orton? You’ve got a disgruntled QB on your hands. Trade Orton? You’re rolling the dice big time that the boy wonder can suddenly and quickly grow up. Glad I’m not a Bronco’s fan!

TEAMS WIN SUPERBOWLS…NOT QUARTERBACKS.

So because it hasn’t happened yet, that means is can’t ever happen? That’s some top shelf analysis by you there, big guy.

I won’t run through the list of QB’s less talented than Orton who have won Super Bowl’s, others have already done that.

I really don’t think there is any question that of the “available” QB’s, Orton and maybe Palmer are clearly the most ready to step in as a #1.

I still am sticking with Kolb to AZ would be the best option.

For the love of all things holy, good, and wonderful in the universe –

1. Get Orton.
2. Ignore Kolb.
3. High five Bulger on his way to Dancing with the Stars.

“Kyle Orton is a good QB in a structured offense, that calls for no improvisation, no “it” factor, and a classic neckbeard.”

And one that requires no accuracy or arm strength for passes longer than 20 yards.

I have to disagree. He did throw for 3,600 yards, 20 TD’s and only 9 pics, and didn’t play all the games. He averaged 7.3 yards per attempt which ranked 7th in AFC and he averaged 12.5 yards per completion which was higher than Tom Brady! Orton can get it downfield. He just doesn’t get credit.