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Rumors fly of a complete NFL shutdown

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So if the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals upholds Judge Susan Nelson’s ruling that the lockout should be lifted while the Tom Brady antitrust lawsuit proceeds, the league will simply open the doors and allow business to continue as usual until the Brady case is settled, right?

Maybe not.

We’re hearing initial rumblings pointing to the possibility that a loss by the league at the appellate level will prompt the owners to completely shut down all business operations until the players agree to a new labor deal.  The thinking is that, if the owners cease all operations, the NFL would not be violating the court order because there would be no lockout.  Instead, the league essentially would be going out of business — something for which the NFL repeatedly chided the union in the weeks and months preceding decertification of the NFLPA.

As we hear it, the league accepts the reality that it will take a lot of heat if it pursues this path (and a lot of that heat will be emanating from this web address), but it could end up being the only way to squeeze the players into accepting the owners’ terms, especially if the Eighth Circuit agrees with Judge Nelson.

On one hand, there’s a long way to go before things would ever get to that point.  On the other hand, there aren’t many steps left on the flow chart before that point arrives.

At least the Pirates aren’t that far below .500.  And after watching The Natural and The Bad News Bears (the good Walter Matthau version, not the crappy Billy Bob Thornton remake) on DVD in the past 24 hours, maybe it’s time to rediscover baseball.

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  1. seabreezes51 says: May 8, 2011 3:56 PM

    Eff em all

  2. thelonious says: May 8, 2011 3:57 PM

    The Natural and The Bad News Bears to get reacquainted with baseball?

    That’s like watching The Golden Girls to get reacquainted with sex.

  3. goawayeverybody says: May 8, 2011 3:59 PM

    Now the braindead owners’ apologists who post comments on this site will finally see just how low the money-grubbing owners will stoop to force the players’ hands. Sick.

  4. dkeyser says: May 8, 2011 4:01 PM

    Crappy Billy Bob Thornton version??? That version was funny as hell..Now granted it wasnt the original but it wasnt supposed to be….
    Best line ever in a baseball movie “Id never thought i would say look at the butt on that second baseman, but look at the butt on that second baseman”

  5. airraid77 says: May 8, 2011 4:03 PM

    and you are shocked?
    you really think the owners are going to continue to do bad buisness? THEY ARE BILLIONAIRES for a reason…..none of which follows the liberal(communist) logic.

  6. chapnastier says: May 8, 2011 4:03 PM

    This web address has been beating the drum for the players for months now, not like it would be a shocker or a surprise if they did it after this. Of course what is really sad is that we live in country where employees refusing to negotiate can actually force a company to close business. Somewhere along the lines the NFL employees forgot they weren’t bigger than the sport, or the teams. Let’s hope for the fan’s sake they remember before something like this happnes.

  7. nmking26 says: May 8, 2011 4:03 PM

    Yay! Go owners! It’s obvious they have the fans best interest at hand.

  8. dan1919 says: May 8, 2011 4:04 PM

    For the life of me: What was so wrong about the last labor deal that it has come to this? The same agreement with a rookie wage scale would fix all issues… But no. Goodell is trying to have it ALL. He wants a deal that Rozelle struck in the 70s..

    The players have not asked for guarenteed contracts. They have not asked for complete freedom after 4 years.

    May 16 – both sides need to get real. Mainly the owners.

  9. Chris Fiorentino says: May 8, 2011 4:05 PM

    Sorry, Mike, but this is the single best way for their to continue to be LONG-TERM viability of the NFL. The owners don’t have the balls to do it, but it’s the best scenario for there to continue to be parity in the NFL. Otherwise, the NFL will go the way of MLB and have the Red Sox, Yankees and a bunch of teams who have no chance to consistently win.

    Shut it down…let them sweat…then get a long-term CBA that is best for everyone involved. With a draft. And free agency. And everything that is needed to keep the NFL going the way it has since the CBA first started.

  10. willycents says: May 8, 2011 4:05 PM

    Exactly what I predictedwould happen if the lockout was lifted. However, the problem now exists that there is no union to bargain with.
    The union used it’s “nuclear” option by decertifying instead of negotiating and that was acceptable. Now the owners(by rumor) are prepared to use theirs and that is somehow not acceptable?
    I would suspect that the shut down would be more in response to the Brady, et al, anti-trust filing rather than to force the players to break and settle for the owners terms.
    Any actions that the owners take to institute a league year will be scrutinized for anti trust violation. If they do shut down the league, it will be to reduce their exposure to anti trust actions.
    I have always had the fear that the players would find the law of unintended consequences in full force when they decertified and filed suit. That un intended consequence being the complete shut down of the league.

  11. dudeustupid says: May 8, 2011 4:05 PM

    Used to be just an NFL fan…nothing else. After all this I’ve taken up MLB, college baseball, NBA and even nascar lol NFL better come back and save me from all this, who knows where else I will end up.

  12. pooflingingmonkey says: May 8, 2011 4:07 PM

    I didn’t think the owners were that stupid, but I may have been wrong.

  13. scytherius says: May 8, 2011 4:08 PM

    The billionaires want to kill the NFL. Let ‘em and then start over. They do, and I’m done with the NFL and I’ve been a fan since the early 60s. I’ve bailed on two sports because of this corporate greed. I don’t mind dropping a third. Here’s hoping the players stand up to these morons.

  14. captainwisdom8888 says: May 8, 2011 4:08 PM

    If the players aren’t playing football on sundays…you might as well change the name of this site to NFLturdwatch.com

  15. laeaglefan says: May 8, 2011 4:09 PM

    You should really be serious about dusting off the golf clubs, Mike. Its starting to look like you’re going to need them.

  16. ravensfan4life52 says: May 8, 2011 4:09 PM

    The players just need to be willing to negotiate and get this thing done.

  17. hail2tharedskins says: May 8, 2011 4:10 PM

    I don’t approve of a union using decertification to advance its collective bargaining position and I wouldn’t approve of the league shutting down operations to advance there position, but it would certainly be a great piece of irony – since they would both be right back where they were on March 11 before the union decertified. I would be curious to know how complex shutting down the entire league would be. I have never heard that as an option before. I can’t imagine it would be an easy thing to do, but maybe you could explain in detail what this plan would actually entail.

  18. mayfieldroadboy says: May 8, 2011 4:10 PM

    From the very beginning of the unrest between the NFL and the formere NFLPA, I said the owners would suspend the NFL, putting it, so to speak, out of business. The owners will still make millions as long as babies need powdered and people cut their fingers, as long as we eat macaroni and cheese, as long as we keep swiping our Mastercards, etc., etc., etc. Owning a football team, although a money maker, is really all about ego and recognition. The owners will gladly shut down the NFL; and this, basically, will stop any talk of “antitrust”, since there will be no NFL to collaborate in or conspire to “price fixing” or “market manipulation”.

  19. iamtalkingsolistenandlearn says: May 8, 2011 4:11 PM

    I hope the owners do exactly that!!!!!!!

    Why is it ok for the union to cease all operations, but if the league wants to go that strategic route then “alot of heat will be emanating from this website address)?????

    Look, DEmo and his blind, greedy followers started this by leaving the negotiating table, “shutdown the union”, and ran like cheetahs to the courthouse. I said a long time ago the players will regret hiring a career ambulance chaser, and if the league shuts down, the players will be destroyed.

    The greed will come back and bite them in the rear before this is over and I WILL LOVE IT!!!!

    Owners, shut down the league. Tend to your other business interests. Take a long vacation. Go spend some of that money you will be saving from paying those greedy, lawbreaking, ungrateful, EMPLOYEES.

    Sure enough, the players will finally figure out that DEmo Smith led them down the wrong path, and was only looking out for his own bank account. They will be crying when the baby mamas and their lawyers come knocking on the doors, unpaid bill lawsuits start piling up, and bankruptcy looms.
    Then they will come back to you, and ask you to forgive them. Forgive them for being led astray be a smooth talking pimp.
    I say CRUSH THEM. Make them take a HUGE paycut, reduce their benefits, increase suspension lengths.
    Make them cry.
    And I don’t think the owners are none to worried about “heat” coming from this site. Thats funny.

  20. rushbacker says: May 8, 2011 4:12 PM

    I initially thought that the NFL was so popular that they couldn’t possibly find a way to actually do it any irreparable harm, but these clowns seem absolutely determined to exhaust every possibility. Sadly, it now seems more about ego than anything else, even money. If both sides are determined to “win” at all costs, they should both be ready to pay the ultimate cost– which in this case is diminishing the popularity and profitability of the game.

    You morons have the throat of the proverbial golden goose gripped tightly in your mitts– go ahead, keep squeezing.

  21. lovesportsandsurfing says: May 8, 2011 4:12 PM

    Everyone needs to realize what Iv been saying, for over a year,..the NFL will not play a single game in 2011, theyve planned on this for 3 years…there will be no NFL in 2011,…the owners know all too well you sheep will buy season tickets again in 2012,..I for one will not,…I think it will be great if the NFL goes out of business forever, and some other group form a new league.

  22. wvuandsteelers says: May 8, 2011 4:12 PM

    There’s still college football.

  23. morr24 says: May 8, 2011 4:13 PM

    This is exactly what I would do and it is completely consistent with ownership”s profitability contentions. I find it telling that PFT admits they would rail against such an effort. Why you ask……because it threatens the site’s profitability……just another example of the pot calling the kettle black………..

  24. ICDogg says: May 8, 2011 4:13 PM

    If the NFL “shuts down” wouldn’t that void all existing contracts? Not just with the players, but with all personnel, with stadium deals, licensing, etc. just to name a few?

  25. FinFan68 says: May 8, 2011 4:14 PM

    They could easily do that although there would be a huge uproar amongst the players and the fans. The blame would essentially shift entirely to the owners. If the players could “decertify” and then magically “recertify” after a settlement induced CBA, why couldn’t the league “disband” and then “reform” after a CBA is completed. I’m not aware of a private company/corporation that can be forced to conduct business when they don’t want to. The owners have proven that they do not need their NFL teams to make money, but the vast majority of the players are dependent upon the league for their livelihoods. The sooner they realize that, the sooner honest progress can be made towards a CBA that is beneficial to both sides. Both sides need to swallow a little pride, pull their collective heads out and get a deal done.

  26. airraid77 says: May 8, 2011 4:14 PM

    and chided the nflpa for…..
    It was the nflpa who took this to court FIRST,
    It was If you can get past your revisionist history(another communist trait) it was the players who decertified first.

  27. cryptker says: May 8, 2011 4:15 PM

    I found out 2 things from all this talk about the shutdown and that is that i like Baseball and Hockey more than i thought i did!

  28. grousehawker says: May 8, 2011 4:16 PM

    “At least the Pirates aren’t that far below .500. And after watching The Natural and The Bad News Bears (the good Walter Matthau version, not the crappy Billy Bob Thornton remake) on DVD in the past 24 hours, maybe it’s time to rediscover baseball.”

    That’s a capitol idea there Mike!
    I remember when we had the strike and football got real lame, I started doing other things I hadn’t done in years.
    I rediscovered my love of fishing. Went pretty much every weekend and after a time, I didn’t miss football at all.

    So, lets punish the NFL!
    Take up hiking, bird watching, fishing.
    Mow the damn lawn on Sundays.
    Or how about Hawking?
    Now there’s a sport worthy of replacing sitting on the couch every Sunday. (And you can do it while you’re birdwatching)
    F the NFL.

  29. tommyf15 says: May 8, 2011 4:16 PM

    IF this is actually being discussed seriously…all 32 owners simultaneously closing shop looks like the most flagrant of anti-trust violations.

    The 2011 NFL Owners are looking more and more like the 1975 MLB owners. Their inability to accept defeat (if they in fact lose in court) leads them to keep digging deeper and deeper holes for themselves.

    If the owners are complaining about player costs now, imagine how would they feel about paying treble damages to the players in terms of damages and lost salary, all without any income from football operations to subsidize it?

    The owners going through with this is the equivalent of a kamikaze mission.

  30. dolfan8385 says: May 8, 2011 4:17 PM

    If that happens maybe its time to get new owners. Or players transfer to the UFL

  31. bf53 says: May 8, 2011 4:17 PM

    Would this also include a shut down of NFL Network?

  32. iamtalkingsolistenandlearn says: May 8, 2011 4:20 PM

    Shut down the league!\
    Let the players(Mendenhall) go visit the Middle East and find a football league to play in.
    Maybe go work in a collection agency(Dez).
    Perhaps gain employment in a “low rise” jeans manufacturer.(Dez Again)
    How bout working in a cotton field on a plantation in late July in the south(A.P.)
    Maybe join the police force(C.J.)
    Become a parole officer.(Plaxico)
    A probation officer( too many to list)

    Or how bout finding a job at the steel mill, car factory, city works department, or any other job REAL folks do everyday.

    Let the players go do some of these jobs for a year. I GUARENTEE they will never pull another stunt like this again.

  33. tommyf15 says: May 8, 2011 4:20 PM

    ICDogg says:
    If the NFL “shuts down” wouldn’t that void all existing contracts? Not just with the players, but with all personnel, with stadium deals, licensing, etc. just to name a few?

    Good question. I’d be inclined to say “yes”.

    The more I think about it, the more likely I am to think this is just a crazy rumor. Not only would the players be likely to sue the NFL, but so would the other employees, the networks, and any of their business partners. WAY too much risk involved.

  34. bigtrav425 says: May 8, 2011 4:21 PM

    Good..hope they do! def on the Owners side for the most part…just seems to be most of the players are taking things for granted on all levels and aspects…..anyways im tired of hearing this or that..give me some truth whether its good or bad about the lockout

  35. palinforpresidentofnorthkorea says: May 8, 2011 4:21 PM

    Duh Smith and the Tom Brady plaintiffs seek to make sure the 32 teams cannot put uniform rules in place. Without uniform rules the teams can’t sign free agents, agree on contracts for drafted rookies (slotting system), etc, etc, and the games can’t go on.

    Deb will surely chime in with her “legal” opinion, but without rules can one team have a roster of 125 players, another change the field dimensions, another allow only 3 downs instead of four?

  36. footballfanatic3431 says: May 8, 2011 4:22 PM

    So let me see if I understand this correctly.

    The NFLPA walked away from the table, decertified, and are now in the midst of pursuing a long legal battle that could change the very culture of the NFL as we know it (No draft, etc).

    The NFL has continuously said they want to be at the bargaining table to hammer out a long term CBA, but no real serious negotiating can occur because everyone is too concerned about gaining leverage in the courtroom.

    So the NFL may just use its only real card in shutting down the league until the two sides can agree to a new, long term labor deal and that makes them the bad guy?

    The NFLPA keeps pointing the finger at the NFL saying they want to take away football in 2011 when, but that is far from accurate. The NFL is concerned about getting long term stability in the form of a CBA. The players are just concerned about opening up this year and could care less about the long term.

    You know what, I’ve never thought PFT was pro-players, but this article might have just changed my mind. How is shutting down the league any different from what the NFLPA did when they decertified and walked away? Both of these things lead to no football so I say go ahead NFL. Shut it down and get back at the players. If by doing this, it leads to a long term CBA so we don’t have to go through this again for a LONG time then I say do it. I can “dig” that.

  37. iamtalkingsolistenandlearn says: May 8, 2011 4:23 PM

    goawayeverybody says:
    May 8, 2011 3:59 PM
    Now the braindead owners’ apologists who post comments on this site will finally see just how low the money-grubbing owners will stoop to force the players’ hands. Sick.

    **************************************

    Like I said. the players started this with THEIR greed you moron.
    Will you still love them when they are working at the factory for only $15.00 an hour?
    LMAO LIFE IS GOOD

  38. paulitik74 says: May 8, 2011 4:23 PM

    If they do this, they better pay back every municipality and state that raised taxes to build them stadiums.

    This is insane.

  39. whathappenedtovox says: May 8, 2011 4:25 PM

    Now the braindead owners’ apologists who post comments on this site will finally see just how low the money-grubbing owners will stoop to force the players’ hands. Sick.
    ________________________

    …and other braindead dopes with click the thumbs dumb arrow.

  40. commandercornpone says: May 8, 2011 4:26 PM

    the players can end it all today. formally fire yer so-called leadership* and get to the table.

    face it, players. u are all replaceable, and many very quickly.

    and the owners are still crying all the way to the bank. few of yall are.

    if u dont like it, go start yer own league. oops, u dont have the money? guess who does.

    how does bling taste now?

  41. dadsman28 says: May 8, 2011 4:27 PM

    Does “shutting down” mean filing for Chapter 11? If not I’m not sure what’s involved in shutting down?

  42. jhcrothers75 says: May 8, 2011 4:27 PM

    One thing that hasn’t been mentioned.. If the NFL and the individual 32 team owners (collectively, as they would have to) voted to disband and “shut down” the National Football League and the 32 Individual teams – in addition to the anti-trust issues – wouldn’t certain owners face possible breach of contract suits from Cities/States who funded their stadiums? Wouldn’t the Television/Satellite/Radio contracts the league and each team individually have also be open to Breach of Contract suits? Do the Commissioner, NFL Execs and Team Owners realize their exposure to legal action – which, would cost them far more than the players would take.

    Also, if I were a player (mid level or higher), I would read that article and start howling with laughter (privately) because that tells me how desperate the owners are and I would tell the NFL to put their money, where their collective mouths are.

  43. xerocc says: May 8, 2011 4:30 PM

    @dkeyser The Billy Bob Thornton version was atrocious.

  44. chapnastier says: May 8, 2011 4:31 PM

    You pro-player shills just can’t or wont accept that this is what needs to be done. The players won’t even negotiate!! All of this time in court could have been avoided if they would have just stayed a union and continued to negotiate a long term, sustainable deal. Players come and go, the game and the NFL is here forever. The owners know this and they are doing all they can to continue to make money and keep the game alive.

    I do love all the Goodell bashing though. I mean since he is just the figurehead in all this he really has no control over what the owners ultimately accept. But of course you all know that already.

  45. narrabeen23 says: May 8, 2011 4:32 PM

    Like ICDogg said, would this void all contracts? If so, wouldn’t it be conceivable that another league, say the UFL, would just pounce on the opportunity to sign all the players from the NFL and, in essence, reap all the fame and fortune that the NFL currently holds?

    No one will convince me that this isn’t a player-driven league, which is why I think the owners need to consider the possibility that if all players contracts were to become void, these players can all get together and say, “let’s just take our talents to a new organization”

    Basically, this so-called strategy of shutting down operations is like me holding a gun to my head and saying, “If you don’t give me what I want I’ll pull the trigger.” It’s suicide, and the players will just get their millions from some other business group that is willing to settle for $4 Billion instead of $5 Billion.

  46. mestevo says: May 8, 2011 4:33 PM

    I’ve typically been pro-owners because of the conduct of the union and class counsel, but there’s no defending/supporting this if it were to happen.

  47. turk2875 says: May 8, 2011 4:41 PM

    OH HEEEEEEEEELL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  48. hawkeye6 says: May 8, 2011 4:42 PM

    Initial rumblings from who exactly?

  49. willycents says: May 8, 2011 4:46 PM

    @tommyf15….As a player, I would have suspected that you understood the relationship between the NFL and the teams. If the owners shut down the NFL, Where does it follow that the teams are shut down? By shutting down the NFL, the teams can do as they damn well please….practice, pay wages, pay benefits, fly all over the country, spend whatever money they want.
    The problem is, the NFL sets the schedule and employs the referees and sets the game rules. With no games and no referees and no rules, why the hell would any owner spend money?
    No where in anti trust law does it require a business to continue to operate in an unfavorable climate.
    Just for everyones education, look up the net profit(before taxes) rankings for each NFL team on google. Perhaps you will see why the owners are “crying” poverty. Piss poor return on their investments, IMAO

  50. calvikefan1 says: May 8, 2011 4:46 PM

    To Owners : No to an 18 game regular season. Instead of taking a billion off the top in revenue settle for half that, players take a 9-10% pay cut rather than 18-20 %. When we see a 3% growth rate for three straight quarters in the economy then split the revenue w/ 1% set aside for stadium infrastructure and investment. To Players : Its still a business, most of you make more in one season than what alot of fans make in a lifetime, get over yourselves, your still an employee…. restructure the rookie pay scale to something similar to that of the nba rookie pay. Case solved ..now go play some damn football !

  51. nfl fan says: May 8, 2011 4:48 PM

    I say shut it down and bring costs down for the fan. My season tickets keep going up along with the instituted PSL and consession prices (owner) and player salaries keep going up as they bitch about not making enough and paying for things like health insurance (player)…really?

    Be careful, they want to “grow the game”, which translates to more expense for the fan. The players need a little humble pie and the owners do as well.

    Shut it down and the gravy train that goes with it. Maybe then, they’ll both want to get back to the table.

  52. tommyf15 says: May 8, 2011 4:49 PM

    iamtalkingsolistenandlearn says:
    May 8, 2011 4:11 PM
    I hope the owners do exactly that!!!!!!!

    Why is it ok for the union to cease all operations, but if the league wants to go that strategic route then “alot of heat will be emanating from this website address)?????

    Look, DEmo and his blind, greedy followers started this by leaving the negotiating table, “shutdown the union”, and ran like cheetahs to the courthouse. I said a long time ago the players will regret hiring a career ambulance chaser, and if the league shuts down, the players will be destroyed.

    The greed will come back and bite them in the rear before this is over and I WILL LOVE IT!!!!

    Owners, shut down the league. Tend to your other business interests. Take a long vacation. Go spend some of that money you will be saving from paying those greedy, lawbreaking, ungrateful, EMPLOYEES.

    Sure enough, the players will finally figure out that DEmo Smith led them down the wrong path, and was only looking out for his own bank account. They will be crying when the baby mamas and their lawyers come knocking on the doors, unpaid bill lawsuits start piling up, and bankruptcy looms.
    Then they will come back to you, and ask you to forgive them. Forgive them for being led astray be a smooth talking pimp.
    I say CRUSH THEM. Make them take a HUGE paycut, reduce their benefits, increase suspension lengths.
    Make them cry.
    And I don’t think the owners are none to worried about “heat” coming from this site. Thats funny.

    I’ve been thinking about creating a post that parodies the most looney-tunes, over the top, “screw logic and facts I’m against the players no matter what”bizarro person out there, but iamtalkingsolistenandlearn has saved me the time by doing it for me.

    I thank him.

  53. stanklepoot says: May 8, 2011 4:50 PM

    Well, unless shutting down the NFL means firing the commissioner, every GM, coach, and all the assorted personnel in the league (including the nepotism hires), then it will be the players claiming that the NFL shutdown is a “sham”. The difference being that, while a finding that decertifcation is a sham would simply force the players back to the table as a union, a finding of an NFL shutdown being a sham could lead to a series of perp walks for some very rich folks. It would be a complete refusal to follow the orders of a federal (and appeals) court.

    Either this is simply another scare tactic, or they’re complete idiots. Other than the people whose absolute blind allegiance to the owners makes it seem like their posts are bought and paid for, the owners would experience a backlash they can’t even imagine right now. Who in their right mind would do such a thing when football is the most profitable and popular sport in the nation? Not one owner, no matter how small their market or how poor their performance on the field, has claimed a financial loss. They simply think they should be making more. Even a win for the owners under this scenario would simply mean a bigger share of a much smaller pie, with the added benefit of the absolute hatred of a large percentage of their sports fan base. These people make the most childish “I’m taking my ball and going home” tantrum look mature and well-reasoned by comparison.

  54. mkepackfan says: May 8, 2011 4:51 PM

    Packers won the first Super Bowl…only fitting they win the last.

    Kidding aside, this is the MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) option. Someone said this would be a clear anti-trust violation but if the courts decide they have to act as individual businesses, the courts can’t force businesses to stay open as they are privately owned institutions.

  55. laeaglefan says: May 8, 2011 4:52 PM

    I wonder how many of the players could go out and get a “real job” that paid more than minimum wage…if it came down to that. I mean, its not like most of them actually have a degree from the college where they got a full scholarship to play football at.

  56. butchsouth says: May 8, 2011 4:53 PM

    Dear Owners,

    You are rich enough please meet the players half way on this deal. No 18 game schedule that’s totally barbaric, quit with the endorsement deal percentage crap ok. Owners you have a team in the richest most powerful league ever created, why sellout and force your players and audience to watch the UFL? Trust me no NFL this fall will open the door for this startup league to play their game on Sundays. Might not be your league but it is football….

  57. clownburger says: May 8, 2011 4:55 PM

    The article is moot because we all know that the appeal will NOT be upheld.

    WHICH IS GOOD FOR THE FANS, WHETHER YOU KNOW IT OR NOT!

    The players DO NOT want to negotiate a new deal. And they will not even consider doing so until they have no other choice.

    So if the league wins, the players will FINALLY for the FIRST TIME, sit down and honestly try to work something out.

    Is that so hard to understand? Really?

  58. friendlylittletrees says: May 8, 2011 4:56 PM

    The NFL will lose more fans than they think…

  59. MichaelEdits says: May 8, 2011 4:57 PM

    Wait. They remade The Bad News Bears? That’s not right.

  60. tommyf15 says: May 8, 2011 4:57 PM

    dolfan8385 says:
    May 8, 2011 4:17 PM
    If that happens maybe its time to get new owners.

    None of this will ever happen.

    But if the owners went through with this lunacy it would be THE GREATEST THING EVER TO HAPPEN FOR THE FANS.

    Both ABC and FOX would start their own leagues, and NBC and CBS might follow suit. They’d have to compete not only for all of the players, but for YOU, the FAN. They would have to compete for your money and your eyeballs. Most major markets would have at least two teams, while fans in cities like Birmingham, San Antonio, Portland would finally get major league football franchises. The teams would have to offer tickets at competitive, marketplace prices. There would be more football on TV than ever.

    With the NFL “out of business”, the new leagues would also compete for the teams. Jerry Jones needs a league for the Cowboys to play in? Let’s make a deal.

    As I said, it would never come to this. But it would be fantastic if it did.

  61. loytomaki says: May 8, 2011 4:57 PM

    If they scrap the whole NFL (even on paper) I sincerely hope they void all their contracts with players. You know, since the “NFL doesn’t exist anymore”…

    The owners are reminding me of petulant children. I get that they want what they want, but if the law and the courts have told them quite clearly that their 3 year in the making lockout plan is illegal then they just need to suck it up and change tactics. Not close down a 9 billion dollar business because they can’t get their way.

  62. jjay9 says: May 8, 2011 4:59 PM

    That would be great if the owners shut it down. I will pick football up when it comes back. Anything to show the idiot players up. Here is to football in 2012 and a bunch of broken idiot players and a shutdown of yet another sham Union. Unions……killing America one lazy employee at a time.

  63. TheWizard says: May 8, 2011 5:00 PM

    Whoever doesn’t like the owner’s tactics is more than welcome to buy / buy into a team and implement your own ideas.

    Free country.

  64. danetow says: May 8, 2011 5:00 PM

    I saw this coming a mile away. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. The players need to realize that they are EMPLOYEES not employers or partners. In times when everyone else in the country was losing benefits and take pay cuts what makes these players think they are any different.

    The players bit the hand that feeds them by leaving the negotiating table and filing a suit. They thought that would give them leverage, but they failed to realize that all their puffery means nothing.

    When push comes to shove though, I think before the league will shut down the players will give in. If this rumor is true all of those players that initially were going to separate from the “trade association” in order to start negotiations will now, in fact, do just that. The players making the most don’t care, but there are a lot more players that can’t afford to miss the season that deserve just as much representation from their leaders that the guys making ridiculous sums of money are. Up to this point they haven’t and the owners know this. The players dared the owners to call their bluff and the owners are threatening to oblige. If/ When it happens the players will crumble like a house of cards and I look for that to happen by July.

    The owners should lay it on the table how it is. They should put the offer on the table that includes:
    Always being a draft
    Free agency rules
    Salary Cap rules
    Rookie wage scale
    Mandatory drug testing (including blood samples)
    esc. esc.

    The players would still get their millions, but the owners should simply say accept it, or I heard Wendys is hiring down the street. I would bet my life savings that the players would run like crazy back to the owners, pen in hand, saying where do I sign.

  65. iamtalkingsolistenandlearn says: May 8, 2011 5:00 PM

    @tommy15

    You are welcome. Now you can put your nose back up DEmo Smith’s backside again.

    Buh Bye

  66. jbcommonsense says: May 8, 2011 5:01 PM

    The owners are not entitled to continuously rising profits, just steady, massive profits, which football is giving to them already. Football has little risk, and to expect large returns is just greedy. The players have already agreed to a salary cap, so that is a non-issue.

    If owners use this nuclear option [which I doubt will happen], it will not work. A year will pass, the league’s reputation will be mud, and they will concede on all but some face-saving measure.

  67. footballfanatical says: May 8, 2011 5:03 PM

    Even if there were no football, even in a world in which football never ever existed, baseball would not be worth watching. Unthinkable and curse you for even suggesting it!

  68. pwa206 says: May 8, 2011 5:03 PM

    What a joke. If that happens I’m canceling my season tickets and turning my Sundays into Saturdays.

    If they truly shut down business the fans should sue and turn the league and its teams into a public company. With teams shares being limited to the state the teams reside in.

    The commissioner is a sycophant.

  69. georgeanderson2 says: May 8, 2011 5:03 PM

    Season Ticket Holders should start calling their teams and demand refunds. Not just general admission seats but cancel your premium seating contracts. Get your account rep scared and go over their heads, talk the the VP of ticket sales. Too many hard working people over the years have spent their money loyally with this league and the teams continually ask for more and more from the fans and cities and as fans you just accept it. This mess has gotten out of control. If the NCAA wasn’t so corrupt, I would drop the shield. The league needs a new commish, that guy is awful.

  70. tommyf15 says: May 8, 2011 5:05 PM

    willycents says:
    May 8, 2011 4:46 PM
    No where in anti trust law does it require a business to continue to operate in an unfavorable climate.

    You are correct.

    However, the United States Supreme Court very recently determined that “The NFL” is not a business, but rather that the individual teams are.

    All 32 of those individual businesses conspiring together to collectively close shop hoping to gain a more favorable deal from it’s labor force would very likely to be ruled as an anti-trust violation.

    As I said earlier, this has no chance of happening. The NFL will not go out of business.

  71. bunjy96 says: May 8, 2011 5:05 PM

    I mentioned this as a possibilty weeks ago.

    There is no legal reason for preventing them from doing so

    If the union can decertify (and its a shame) so can the owners.

    The owners can can then reform as 1 corporation with 32 divisions. That eliminates all the potential anti-trust violations the union is looking to pursue.

    I hope they do. Screw Smith and his hardliners who walked out of the arbitration.

    The owners can reopen under a new name, set their own rules, break all existing contracts and start from scratch, avoiding the pitfalls of the past. (Contracts for Manning, Brees and Brady would be kaput along with about 2000 others.)

    Am looking forward to it.

  72. gdpont says: May 8, 2011 5:06 PM

    I wonder if the NFL can cease to exist while the teams continue to exist as 32 separate businesses. It is a separate association from the teams. If the teams also went out of business also, I would anticipate that all player contracts would be in breach and subject to termination. In other words, all players could become free agents and I suspect the draft rights would be waived. I seriously doubt that teams would risk such an outcome. My guess is that this rumor is being floated simply to alarm some of the rank and file players and there is no substance to it.

  73. willycents says: May 8, 2011 5:07 PM

    For those concerned about the contracts issues. Any contract with the league MIGHT be subject to scrutiny with a shut down. Most contracts are with individual teams, and it would be difficult to hold the teams liable if there were no games to play due to the shutdown of the NFL. Any vote by the owners would necessarily be kept anonymous so no one would ever know who voted how.
    Secondly, suppose they simply shut down for corporate reoganization? Fully legal and accepted by precedent.

  74. nmking26 says: May 8, 2011 5:10 PM

    Its obviously the players fault. They opted out of the CBA. They issued the lockout. They’re the ones wanting 18 games. They’re the ones who might shut down the league.

    Dammit players!

  75. stanklepoot says: May 8, 2011 5:10 PM

    By the way, have the owners never heard of the UFL? Sure, it’s small and barely holding on right now, but if the NFL completely closes down for business, either the UFL will get a new group of investors, or a new league will pop up. Either way, football in American is simply too large of a market for someone not to tap. Networks that refused to sign deals with lesser leagues to avoid angering the NFL will then rethink things. If they hesitate, then the networks and cable channels that have been left out in the cold recently will step up to try and get a piece of that market. Forget the undrafted rookie free agents, a new or expanding league will use those new network contracts to try and lure better known players into their league. By the time the owners got their heads out of their behinds, they could end up with a new league war reminiscent of the NFL-AFL competition. Those that remember those days will remember mad dashes to outbid each other for rookie talent, luring players away from each others league (both of which led to skyrocketing player salaries), and competition for ticket sales and media rights contracts (which would create a buyers market that would push down revenue). That combination of events would show the owners what it really means for their investments to be considered risks. Last time around, things didn’t settle down until both sides agreed to a merger. So, if the owners want to go that route, then fine. I’ll be there to watch the first nationally televised game of whatever upstart league makes a move to fill that untapped market.

  76. prmpft says: May 8, 2011 5:11 PM

    …rumors are also flying about the end of the world, 9/11, Elvis, and alien abductions – this just happens to be in our genre…yawn!…

  77. davikes says: May 8, 2011 5:11 PM

    If the owners really do shut the NFL down, I’m starting my own league. I’ll call it TFL, for The Football League. All I need is a little loan from Brady and Manning to get it going. It will be one business with 32 corporate divisions, so no antitrust issues. All the players will be shareholders and split what is left over after the bills are paid.

  78. smarter76 says: May 8, 2011 5:11 PM

    Some idiot here calls for the owners to crush the players…..”employees” he calls them.

    Look, idiot …

    Players are more than employees, they are the product owners sell.

    Without the players, forget about the networks paying billions and the public dropping hard-earned money on season tickets.

    The public wilingly gives their money to the owners so they can watch them go after the best players in the world … they won’t pay the owners so they can keep more of that money in their own pockets.

  79. nineroutsider says: May 8, 2011 5:11 PM

    “…and a lot of that heat will be emanating from this web address”

    Mike you’re right, it already is. Whenever you mention ‘owners’ or ‘billionaires’, 60% of PFT readers get hotter and wetter than the next gold digger who is going to take their beloved heroes.

    Not that they know anything about getting women wet…they have to use pills and lubes just to give their wives 5 minutes of their best. She in turn, gives her very best to the paper and pool boys. Who could blame her?

    I can’t wait for the baby boomers to become completely irrelevant. They have ruined American politics with their divisiveness and now they are doing it to sports. Can’t wait until these guys get put out to pasture. The worst generation in the history of America, perhaps the world. Osama was a boomer…

  80. possiblecabbage says: May 8, 2011 5:12 PM

    Well, in a sense this is reasonable since Judge Nelson’s injunction is tantamount to “the government can force a business to operate even if it doesn’t want to” (which is why I doubt that the 8th Circuit will agree with her) but the only reasonable response to a business being forced to operate against its will is for the business to simply close down entirely.

    I don’t want to see it happen, but I wouldn’t be surprised or too angry (just disappointed) if it does.

  81. ultimatesaintsfan says: May 8, 2011 5:14 PM

    Its funny the ends the owners will go to, to NOT OPEN THEIR BOOKS. maybe the IRS should investigate these owners. Maybe our government should hold hearings investigation the owners like they went after all these steroid users in baseball. Makes you wonder!?!

  82. covercorner says: May 8, 2011 5:15 PM

    The TV stations should sue the NFL if they fail to put on quality games with real players. They have a contract. Oh yeah, teams don’t have to honor contracts, only the players.

  83. elmoron says: May 8, 2011 5:15 PM

    bf53 says: May 8, 2011 4:17 PM

    “Would this also include a shut down of NFL Network?”

    No, it would become “The Who Was Arrested Last Night Network”.

  84. oldbrowndawg says: May 8, 2011 5:15 PM

    See how nice it is when lawyers get involved? They aren’t being hurt by all this. Nope, rack up those billable hours and keep hearing the magic sound of “ca-ching” as their fees mount.

    This was inevitable the second the players chose to decertify and go the litigation route. One day in the not-too-distant future, they’re going to start having serious second thoughts about that decision. Hopefully it won’t be too late to have a credible season.

  85. crycal says: May 8, 2011 5:16 PM

    Look, here is what it comes down to. If I owned a company and my employees mutinied against me because they overvalued themselves and had the nerve to consider themselves my “partner”, I would lock the doors to them. If they took me to court and the court told me how I had to run my business, I would shut the whole damn thing down and liquidate my assets. Then I would drive down the road in my sports car and give the finger to the former employees who were now standing in the soup line (by their own ignorance and greed)!!

  86. commandercornpone says: May 8, 2011 5:18 PM

    undrafted players = replacement players

  87. jimmysee says: May 8, 2011 5:18 PM

    That going out of business strategy would definitely help the Vikings get their new stadium deal, right?

    A new entity could be formed called the Superior Football League.

  88. mick730 says: May 8, 2011 5:20 PM

    Isn’t there a certain lawyer by the name of Batterman (sp?) included in the league’s team of attorneys? I believe there is. I also believe that he is the same guy who helped the NHL shut down for a season and helped the NHL owners force the players union to come to their senses and sign a new agreement.

    So, I don’t think this idea is far fetched at all. In fact it is the logical course for the league to follow.

    The owners have stated quite clearly that the last CBA is and was unsustainable for the clubs. From a financial point of view, it is a loser; despite record revenues, profits are rapidly declining. Unlike labor unions, the teams do not have somebody else to suck dry before insolvency occurs.

    Second, why should the owners continue to pay the players billions of collective dollars while at the same time the same players are suing the owners for anti-trust violations? Up till now, there are no ant-trust violations, because everything the owners have done, including the last draft, was covered by the CBA. Including by the way, opting out of that same CBA; that was also covered in the agreement with the players.
    \
    So, shutting down solves several problems for the league.

    1. There is no lockout, so no judicial order from any judge is violated.

    2. There can be no anti-trust lawsuit, because there are no anti-trust actions being taken by a closed down league.

    3. Best yet, the miscreants and reporbates who form the NFLPA, 78% of whom file for personal bankruptcy two years after leaving football, are S.O.L. No money. No bling. No drug. No mansions. No really expensive cars. No jeans halfway down the behind. Not much of anything.

    S.O.L.

    My guess is that within hours of the league announcing their shutdown, the former NFL players and presently unemployed, uneducated, semi-literate felons, would fire their lawn gnome with the bad hats, reinstate as a union and beg, beg on hands and knees, for the league to sign a new CBA under any terms the owners wish to dictate, so long as the NFL would open camps and agree to play the coming season and as many seasons after that as the league wishes to include in the new CBA.

    I think the plan is an absolute winner and I’m guessing that’s why the owners hired the NHL’s former counsel.

  89. peanutbutter&jelly says: May 8, 2011 5:20 PM

    if the owners close up shop all they will be doing is preventing the players from ruining the game.the owners are billionaires for a reason and it’s because they are very good business people and the whole reason they are so firm in thier stance on this is because they are smart enough business people to realize that the nfl cannot survive as is long term. and that is something that the players are either to greedy or to stupid or both to understand.

  90. elmoron says: May 8, 2011 5:20 PM

    elmoron says: May 8, 2011 5:15 PM

    bf53 says: May 8, 2011 4:17 PM

    “Would this also include a shut down of NFL Network?”

    No, it would become “The Who Was Arrested Last Night Network”.

    Or, more likely, the ratings champ “Deserted Stadium Security Guard Network.

  91. kilo0986 says: May 8, 2011 5:24 PM

    What did I miss? Im to busy rofling cause lakers are about to be swept

  92. bworacle says: May 8, 2011 5:26 PM

    What I don’t understand is that the owners were asking for initially a billion a year back from the players and during negotiation brought that down to around 350 million a year.

    If they completely lose the 2011 season the owners stand to lose $5 billion dollars. They could never hope to recover that even matching the best deal they hope to get initially.

    It seems that both sides lose more than they could possibly gain from losing the 2011 season.

  93. stanklepoot says: May 8, 2011 5:29 PM

    iamtalkingsolistenandlearn says: May 8, 2011 4:23 PM

    goawayeverybody says:
    May 8, 2011 3:59 PM
    Now the braindead owners’ apologists who post comments on this site will finally see just how low the money-grubbing owners will stoop to force the players’ hands. Sick.

    **************************************

    Like I said. the players started this with THEIR greed you moron.
    Will you still love them when they are working at the factory for only $15.00 an hour?
    LMAO LIFE IS GOOD
    ________________________
    You post a comment like this and call someone else a moron? First of all, the owner opted out of the CBA (which was well within their right), and then demanded an additional $1 billion a year off the top. They also wanted an extra two games a season for free. So, saying the players began this with their greed is beyond near-sighted, it’s blind allegiance or obedience. Additionally, you ignore objective reality. The players (the best ones at least) will not be out of work long, even if the NFL shuts down. There is nothing magical about the NFL itself. It has the influence it does because other leagues can’t compete with it directly. If the shut down, however, then other leagues don’t have to compete with them. Let me make this real simple for you: the market for football in the U.S. is simply too large to be left unfilled for long. A new league will step in to fill the void. Networks and cable channels will buy their airing rights. The only way for the owners to nip that in the bud will be to restart operations, and that will mean abiding by the federal court rulings. Besides, the owners opened up a can of worms by arguing decertification was a sham. How will the federal courts react to all 32 teams deciding to “shut down” to avoid abiding by their rulings? What if the courts view this as a sham? They’d better make it look good if they want to come close to passing the smell test. If the league is shut down, then they don’t need a commissioner or league office, they don’t need GMs and other front office personnel (including all of those nepotism hires), and they don’t need coaches or most of their other employees. Completely shut down means completely shut down. Anything else is a fraudulent attempt to ignore a series of federal court orders.

  94. lostsok says: May 8, 2011 5:30 PM

    This is a bluff, and a BAD one.

    If the league became defunct, then EVERY SINGLE PLAYER IN THE NFL would, a) be no longer under contract, b) be in position to sue for the remainder of their contract (due to breach). They would be followed in QUICK order by DirecTV and the networks.

    The owners would be in court for about a million years while Donald Trump would start the N.T.L. (National Trump League) and invite a select number of OTHER millionaires (Mark Cuban anyone)…and a frenzy of signing would occur. THEY would bend over backwards to pay the people who ACTUALLY MAKE THE MONEY what they are worth.

    The NFL would be over. Forever. And the current owners, after several years of court battles, would be out billions.

    Yeah. That would real smart.

    Total bluff.

  95. fltharley says: May 8, 2011 5:32 PM

    the owners are the ones that started this whole shut down when they negotiated a illegal shut down bank with the tv stations. they have had this shut down in there mind for three years and they are not going to back down. they want all the money and nothing short of all the money i hope and pray everyone tells them to shove there tickets and there overpriced crap they sell at the stadiums. i wonder if the owners acually know how bad the economy is out there for us regular folks

  96. wydok says: May 8, 2011 5:33 PM

    Go Phillies!

  97. mrcowpatty says: May 8, 2011 5:33 PM

    Why not let the NFL go out of business? After all the NFL is nothing but a bunch of billionaires alter egos. You could start a new league and tell the original owners to go to hell. It the cities and states that own the stadiums. Let them reap the benefits. Because as we all know the, the cites and states could use the money. And as far as the players, this what you get and if you don’t like it find something else to do.

  98. kire562000 says: May 8, 2011 5:35 PM

    Marc Cuban are you watching. UFL Football will look at lot better with NFL quality players lining up on Sunday. Owners should remember that we tune in to watch the Players, not the owners play football. The NCAA is the only place you can get the players to play for less than market value.

  99. tinkletinkleonyourstar says: May 8, 2011 5:35 PM

    @iamtalkingsolistenandlearn

    couldn’t agree more!
    wish I could click the ‘like’ button multiple times.
    I made a similar post about a month ago which was censored.(maybe because mine included expletives)
    You must be an employer as opposed to an employee as am I.

  100. stanklepoot says: May 8, 2011 5:35 PM

    chapnastier says: May 8, 2011 4:31 PM

    You pro-player shills just can’t or wont accept that this is what needs to be done. The players won’t even negotiate!! All of this time in court could have been avoided if they would have just stayed a union and continued to negotiate a long term, sustainable deal. Players come and go, the game and the NFL is here forever. The owners know this and they are doing all they can to continue to make money and keep the game alive.

    I do love all the Goodell bashing though. I mean since he is just the figurehead in all this he really has no control over what the owners ultimately accept. But of course you all know that already.
    ______________________________
    And you pro-owner shills need to accept that the owners never intended to actually “negotiate” a new cba. Their goal is simply to stretch things out long enough for a sizable percentage of the players to be in financial hardship. Once that happens, the owners will force the players to accept a deal that is much worse for the players than the owners are claiming the last one was for them. End result? We end up back where we started all too soon with a new wave of labor unrest.

  101. lostsok says: May 8, 2011 5:36 PM

    “laeaglefan says: May 8, 2011 4:52 PM

    I wonder how many of the players could go out and get a “real job” that paid more than minimum wage”

    THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TO.

    They would make millions playing football…for the OTHER millionaires that re-started football.

    Simple as that.

    Really? You people think that the NFL going out of business would end FOOTBALL?

    Answer me this: which one of you has a Dan Snyder “Big Head”? Which one of you has a Jerry Jones jersey?

    The players ARE the game.

  102. bucks12965 says: May 8, 2011 5:38 PM

    So would the NFL network also go off the air?

  103. duanethomas says: May 8, 2011 5:39 PM

    Not going to happen. Forget about the players if the NFL shuts down. What about the cities, counties, states, stadiums, networks, sponsors etc….that the teams have agreements with. Anti-trust is also in play, because not one owner hasnt made a profit in the last 10 years, so the model can be sustained. Even if it did happen and it lasted a year some of the 32 won’t be coming back. Look at the wealth of all the owners and you will find their overall wealth is tied to their team. I’d like to see Al Davis shut down, the Bidwells, Rooneys and come back after a year. Then having to fight all the lawsuits and restart cost? The owners better have a fund that other owners can dip into, or some won’t be back. This is silly and won’t ever happen…..put on your thinking caps people.

  104. jimmysee says: May 8, 2011 5:39 PM

    Hugely ironic that the Packers won both the first and last Super Bowls!

  105. xxxfixxxerxxx says: May 8, 2011 5:40 PM

    The players went nuclear and wanted the judges to grant them leverage.

    I can respect the players if what they really want is a free market for all, but if they’re using the antitrust cases to gain leverage I can’t really see them as victimes here.

    This is the nuclear option for the owners, they will set the precedent to the players that going to the judges won’t be a good option for them anymore.

  106. thetooloftools says: May 8, 2011 5:57 PM

    I won’t miss you NFL.
    I learned to live without my Father…
    I will get over you in a heartbeat.
    My Father cared.
    You don’t.
    Just the threats alone is demeaning to you.

  107. harrisryan says: May 8, 2011 6:02 PM

    To PFT Planet,

    The Owners can not be sued for a shut down, no way no how. Any judge (no matter the bias) would reject any such ideas, and thats if the case made it past the preliminary stages.

    If I decide to shut my business down, for whatever reason, an employee can not sue me.

    Look, it is very unlikely that a shutdown happens. But if I put myself in an NFL owners shoes here’s what I would see

    – The fans came back to the NHL and the MLB, they took a hit for a couple years…but they came back.

    – “If” this happened, the players wouldn’t last 60 days. It would be anarchy at its finest and quite frankly it would be fun to watch.

    – The players would never bark again

    The more I think about it I am shocked this hasnt happened.

  108. spcoltrane says: May 8, 2011 6:04 PM

    For the hard core capitalists, a very smart lawyer told me a long time ago the truest thing about a contract: “It takes two to say ‘yes’, but only one to say ‘no’.”

    The March 11 deadline didn’t spring up on anyone – both management and players knew it was coming. However, the owners’ offer came only hours before the Union’s window to decertify would close. If the NFLPA didn’t decertify when it did, it could not have done so later. Faced with the options of decertification or being locked out, the smart move was to decertify.

    As to the “greed” of the players, it’s matched by the “greed” of the owners. The division of revenue is a zero-sum solution problem; $X comes into the league, and y% goes to the players and z% goes to the owners. (By the way, it’s mostly you and I and those known as “fans” who supply the $x, either directly or indirectly.)

    The owners risk their investment in their teams, while the players risk their health and lives – all for nothing more than entertainment of the masses. Each wants a “fair” return on their investment. Neither side wants to see the other reaping the increased $X year after year unilaterally. Neither side trusts the other, because each is after the $X.

    As a boy, my dream was to play for Tom Landry and the Dallas Cowboys; I loved the way the Cowboys offensive line used to line up, with that elbows on the knees, then up, then down to the three point stance. However, “Mr. Irrelevant” (whoever he is this year) has more football talent in his little finger than I ever had. I’ve settled for watching great players and great games for 35 years.
    The weekends between the Superbowl and the first pre-season game in August are quiet and uneventful at my house. My friends at church know not to bother inviting me to lunch between September and February, because I’m heading home after the sermon to watch football for the afternoon.

    I hope this sorts itself out by then. I hope to hear Al Michaels and Chris Collinsworth, Troy Aikman and Joe Buck call another game. I hope to watch Hank Williams Jr. and Faith Hill do the “Sunday Night Football” song again. I hope to hear Chris Berman say “He … could … go … all … the … way!!!” in his inimitable way. I hope the owners and players don’t kill the golden goose just because they can’t agree on who gets the eggs.

    Here’s to hope.

  109. bluetalonz says: May 8, 2011 6:14 PM

    I have thought for quite a while that this might be an option for the owners. Forcing them to open their doors and conduct business, while being sued for how they conduct that business, puts them in a damned-if-you-do-&-damned-if-you-don’t situation.

    But that’s OK with some of you, because the owners are just greedy bastages anyway.

    I find it telling, and highly amusing, that the pro-union side ultimately resorts to calling their opponents “shills” and accusing everyone who disagrees with them of being paid by the owners to write their comments. It’s a sign of desperation when you have to resort to ad hominem attacks to support your side of the argument.

  110. mistrezzrachael says: May 8, 2011 6:21 PM

    iamtalkingsolistenandlearn says:
    May 8, 2011 4:11 PM
    I hope the owners do exactly that!!!!!!!

    Why is it ok for the union to cease all operations, but if the league wants to go that strategic route then “alot of heat will be emanating from this website address)?????

    Look, DEmo and his blind, greedy followers started this by leaving the negotiating table, “shutdown the union”, and ran like cheetahs to the courthouse. I said a long time ago the players will regret hiring a career ambulance chaser, and if the league shuts down, the players will be destroyed.

    The greed will come back and bite them in the rear before this is over and I WILL LOVE IT!!!!

    Owners, shut down the league. Tend to your other business interests. Take a long vacation. Go spend some of that money you will be saving from paying those greedy, lawbreaking, ungrateful, EMPLOYEES.

    Sure enough, the players will finally figure out that DEmo Smith led them down the wrong path, and was only looking out for his own bank account. They will be crying when the baby mamas and their lawyers come knocking on the doors, unpaid bill lawsuits start piling up, and bankruptcy looms.
    Then they will come back to you, and ask you to forgive them. Forgive them for being led astray be a smooth talking pimp.
    I say CRUSH THEM. Make them take a HUGE paycut, reduce their benefits, increase suspension lengths.
    Make them cry.
    And I don’t think the owners are none to worried about “heat” coming from this site. Thats funny.

    The ABOVE is one of the most accurate assessments I’ve seen from people who post here.

    I also HOPE [ hell will beg for the first time ever] that the owners follow this path.

    The players were DUMB not to at least further negociate the owners final proposal..which was better than I ever thought we’d see.

    Now..lets here the clowns like DEB tell us how the palyers wanted to negociate all along…which tells us her IQ is right next to a bag of rocks.

  111. thefiesty1 says: May 8, 2011 6:23 PM

    Whatever it takes to get the deal done the owners will take. But I don’t think it will come to that. The conservative appellate court will reverse liberal Judge Nelson’s stupid ruling. The greedy players will finally wake up and understand they are only pawns in a very big business. The squeaky wheel doesn’t get the grease in this case.

  112. souldogdave says: May 8, 2011 6:26 PM

    It’s like a beautiful girlfriend that won’t put out. DUMP HER.I will be playing my guitar and having a drink…

  113. snowpea84 says: May 8, 2011 6:41 PM

    Awesome. I’m glad to see the owners still have some say in the matter. Of course, that’s not fair, they have been presented with other enticing options. Such as giving the players whatever they want.
    It seems like every other tactic they try just gets shot down in such a way that it appears they are not allowed to run their businesses.
    “So we either run the business the way you tell us to, or not at all? Ok, I’ll go with not at all then, considering there is no indication you know how to run a successful business.”

  114. dewalt2990 says: May 8, 2011 6:44 PM

    SEAL team 6 has a new mission…

  115. georgeanderson2 says: May 8, 2011 6:46 PM

    Nineroutsider-

    You’re so right, just had that conversation about how the baby boomers have destroyed America. The only thing we have learned from them is how not to behave in all walks of life. They will go down as the worst generation.

  116. ramsfanjoe says: May 8, 2011 6:48 PM

    They are all sure going out of their way to kill off the Goose that layed the Golden egg. To totally shut down a 12 billion dollar business is hard to believe, but these idiots will find a way to do it!

  117. hitdog042 says: May 8, 2011 7:06 PM

    Wow. Lots of comments from a story with no source.

  118. whitetail28 says: May 8, 2011 7:08 PM

    Yep, shut her down!! But that sux cause my Pack are favs to win it all again. darn it. And how can you guys not realize yet that Profootballtalk is on the players side in all this?? You must be the same blind people standing next to me at the polls every 4 years…. Open your eyes

  119. bucforever says: May 8, 2011 7:09 PM

    My Bucs have had what looks like one of the best drafts ever. and now it looks like they wont’t be able to prove it.
    The Lightning are in the playoffs and the Rays look like they could do it again. I will not invest my time in the NBA as it looks like they will betray my interest with a lockout of their own next year.
    Thank God for college football.

  120. vetdana says: May 8, 2011 7:11 PM

    I have always had the fear that the players would find the law of unintended consequences

    BOTH SIDES…should have known this was a distinct possibility before they ever started this grudge match. If the NFL shuts down completely….there will be alot of scambled eggs that cannot be unscrambled !! This 9 billion dollar pot is going to dry up and blow away !Human Greed is a very destructive power and we may see it through to its bitter end.!!This really stinks the place up ! I gave up two sports because of this and…I can do it again !

  121. iamtalkingsolistenandlearn says: May 8, 2011 7:14 PM

    @mick730

    I could not have said it better myself.
    Standing ovation!

  122. diamonddave13 says: May 8, 2011 7:16 PM

    Wow…clearly this board is littered with morons. The pro-Owner vibe all over the comments isnt really shocking anymore, but the Republican rhetoric is.

    The NFL is not a widget company. Their “employees” create ALL of the revenue who also assume ALL of the risk. These contracts are not guaranteed and thus can be dumped at anytime while putting their lives on the line every week. Are the players overpaid? Of course, all athletes are overpaid, but those athletes are paying in shorter life spans, mental illness and lifelong physical pain. (see Duerson, Dave. Collie, Austin.)

    The league is well within their rights to shut down just as the players were well within theirs to decertify, but both sides continue to risk supporters with these moves instead of simply sitting down and talking.

    On Mother’s Day, remember what your mother once said to you “Two wrongs do not make a right.”

  123. znesbit says: May 8, 2011 7:30 PM

    This seems like a classic case of rumor mongering on the part of a clearly bias writer trying to get people to think that the owners are the bad guys. While the player and Demaurice “dig it” Smith wear white hats and often give up their last crumbs of food to feed tiny Tim.

  124. iamtalkingsolistenandlearn says: May 8, 2011 7:30 PM

    The league could shut down easily.
    All they have to do is make good on player contracts that have not expired yet, up until they can opt out.
    Most 10 year contracts are really only 4-5 year deals. Teams are always cutting players with “years” left on their contract.
    Buy out only the years that need bought out.
    DirectTv and ESPN and other stations have not paid the NFL in full for their deals yet. They make payments each year. So ending the contract with no further payment from the stations isn’t a big hurdle either.
    But they will be saving HUGE money by not carrying the insurance premiums for the players and their families. And I’m sure their will be some nice tax write offs with no games being played.
    Plain and simple. If the NFL shuts it down, the league will not be taking in money, but they also will not be shelling out big money either.
    Trump and no other person is going to be able to start up a league so quickly, and even if they do, and the players want to join
    A. If they are still under contract to an NFL team, they can’t or they will forfeit their payout.
    B. The players want MORE money.No other league start up can afford to pay as many players as much as the NFL can. So the majority will be taking paycuts.

    So all you simpletons and player worshippers like duanethomast, lostok, and especially stankypooty will have to learn love your players off the field.
    Cry for them as you look up at their posters when you go to sleep. Wet dream over them while sleeping.

    Tell them all you love them, and miss them.
    But remember.
    While you are sticking up for them, defending, them, crying over them, getting hard ons over them.
    They are thinking you all are the biggest losers in the world for thinking so much of them when they don’t know you, don’t care to know you, and couldn’t care one way or the other that you even exist

  125. jeremytamu says: May 8, 2011 7:32 PM

    so when the players decertify and sue to get what they want that is perfectly ok. but when the owners try to do the same thing then they are the evil one. give me a break

  126. angrynflfan says: May 8, 2011 7:36 PM

    If there is no CBA, then any action the League takes as a group is a violation of the antitrust laws. This is because the exemption existed only with the NFLPA being in existence. The NFL will not disband or dissolve, it just simply won’t do anything….be temporarily closed. They have no choice, the players decert has forced the hand of the NFL. The only way football starts up again is with a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. The Collective part means that there has to be someone else at the table to negotiate with.

  127. TurdSandwich says: May 8, 2011 7:37 PM

    Time is right for us – the people to set up our own professional football league. The PFL (People’s Football League). Labor disputes strictly prohibited unless it benefits us, the people.

  128. iamtalkingsolistenandlearn says: May 8, 2011 7:40 PM

    lostok says stupidly:

    “Answer me this: which one of you has a Dan Snyder “Big Head”? Which one of you has a Jerry Jones jersey?”

    The players ARE the game.

    *******************************************
    Does Jerry Jones play for the Dez Bryant Blingers?

    Does Adrian Peterson wear a Washington High School Bearcats jersey?

    Do the players pay the salary of each player?

    Do fans go watch the games at the vacant field down by the schoolyard?

    I have news for ya.

    The league will survive if every single player on each roster quit and never played again!!!!!!
    Because new fresh blood will be entering the league each year, so new talent always infuses the league.
    BUT, every player on teams today that quit, will NEVER, EVER make as much money again. Most will be broke within 5 years.

    The ignorance of your posts is not your fault though. Your just plain stupid, and stupidity is inherited

  129. cscfriarbob says: May 8, 2011 7:45 PM

    Well there’s a lot of ifs in the above scenario, so why not throw out a few more?

    IF the above scenario plays out, and IF it works, then at least the owners will be happy. And in theory we’d eventually get football again… and those who only care about football would also (eventually) be happy. The only losers would be the players and their union.

    And IF the above scenario plays out, and IF the courts come down on the owners like a ton of bricks for trying it, then fans of certain crappy teams would actually benefit. I’d bet there are a few thousand Bengals fans who would outright PAY to see Mikey get frogmarched out of his office and into a cop car. But in the process the NFL would become a wholly-government-owned subsidiary and in the long-run nobody would be happy. But at least we’d all get to see Mikey, Senile Al, Jerry, and a few other deserving souls do a perp walk.

  130. jazz607 says: May 8, 2011 7:48 PM

    Keep buying those season tickets! I have had it with the pompous millionaires! Too many people are struggling losing their houses and jobs and these Aholes continue to argue over millions! I’ll watch Arena football thank you!

  131. zaggs says: May 8, 2011 7:49 PM

    “goawayeverybody says: May 8, 2011 3:59 PM

    Now the braindead owners’ apologists who post comments on this site will finally see just how low the money-grubbing owners will stoop to force the players’ hands. Sick.”

    Yet somehow I bet you supported the players doing the exact same thing.

  132. zaggs says: May 8, 2011 7:52 PM

    stanklepoot says:
    “And you pro-owner shills need to accept that the owners never intended to actually “negotiate” a new cba.”

    So by “never intended” you mean they made a mistake making the first offer on a new CBA, which wasn’t counter-offered by the union, and the last CBA offer, which wasn’t counter-offered because according to players like Drew Brees it would have been too hard on him to actually read it.

  133. goawayeverybody says: May 8, 2011 7:53 PM

    Why is everyone saying that the union decertified? Each teams’ players had to separately vote for decertification. If the league decides to shutdown – it will be a case of each team owner actually shutting down. Actually, if this all shuts down and we don’t have a season, that would be okay because I am always at my least productive when football is on. lol.

  134. joetoronto says: May 8, 2011 8:00 PM

    This is what needs to be done, shut it down.

  135. mopixdrew says: May 8, 2011 8:03 PM

    The world (and this site) would be so much better if people pulled their heads out of Fox News’s ass. To everyone crying “communist” and “liberal” about the players, let’s recap some basic stuff again:
    1. The owners started this because they didn’t like the return on their investment. If you or I don’t like the return on our investment, we invest our money elsewhere.
    2. The owners are NOT in a free-market economy. For every John Galt-wannabee crying about the players position and how it violates principles of free trade, you’re an idiot because the NFL is not a free market at all. It’s a government protected monopoly. Without that government protection, a true free market would exist and the NFL would be very different. So if you actually want a true free market, you’re not for the owners and you’re not for the status quo in the NFL right now. Be clear and accurate and stop using “free market” as your rallying cry. The NFL is about as free a market as the Venezuelan oil industry.
    3. The NFL players are not like regular employees because they ARE THE PRODUCT. You can probably be replaced pretty easily in your job; the person paying for your company’s services probably wouldn’t care. But the people paying for the NFL’s services (ie, the fans) DO care if Joe Blow off the street is playing quarterback instead of Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. That is why the relationship between players and owners is VERY different from a normal employee/employer relationship. As long as the league makes money based on the individual achievements and star power of the players, it will remain that way. STOP comparing the NFL to your own little angry middle-management jobs.

    Are we all caught up now? Or does someone feel the need to inanely cry “communist” or “liberal” again with no clear understanding of what they’re saying?

  136. jeff061 says: May 8, 2011 8:25 PM

    This is an idiotic rumor started by D. Smith and the idiots of NFLPA trying to get a leg up in the pr dept.

  137. GG Eden says: May 8, 2011 8:26 PM

    NFL scare tactics.

  138. buffalohogan says: May 8, 2011 8:27 PM

    Pleas tell me what is the difference between the owners threatening to shutdown the league for leverage and the players threatening antitrust violations.

    nothing they both destroy the league as we know it and our both extreme threats used to negotiate.

  139. icuwoot says: May 8, 2011 8:27 PM

    Like I said. the players started this with THEIR greed you moron.
    Will you still love them when they are working at the factory for only $15.00 an hour?
    LMAO LIFE IS GOOD

    _______________________

    Both sides are greedy, but it take a complete idiot to think the owners aren’t at fault. Both sides should split the money somewhat evenly. Owners deserve their money, it’s their property, but their property is worthless without players. They both deserve it. They aren’t McDonald’s workers, they are the product that the NFL provides. People can’t seem to grasp that though, just think they’re normal workers as in a regular business.

  140. njphin says: May 8, 2011 8:31 PM

    Aren’t NFL teams actually franchises..and while they have individual owners they are still property of the NFL?

    I keep seeing analogies that refer to it as Wendy’s colluding with McDonald’s in an effort to drive wages down which is illegal. I see it more as Mcdonald’s colluding with other Mcdonald’s within their organization to make sure the fry cook isn’t pulling down a 6 figure salary just because the company overall profits = billions which is perfectly legal.

  141. kissbillsrings says: May 8, 2011 8:41 PM

    Lock it all down….lets skip a year of football & pi$$ all the fans off….football will then go back to being affordable…..
    Parking:$5.00
    tickets:$15.00-$40.00
    apparel:$5.00-$20.00

    Let it happen PLEASE……

  142. 3octaveFart says: May 8, 2011 8:41 PM

    Go right ahead and shut it down.
    I’m sure the people that give you clowns that $9 billion a year (us) can find better uses for that money in this economy.

  143. voyager6 says: May 8, 2011 8:43 PM

    The final thing the owners will do is to dissolve the NFL and, all of a sudden, there will be 32 new UFL teams.

  144. voyager6 says: May 8, 2011 8:45 PM

    …or create the Robot Football League, without any players at all!

  145. ravensfan4life52 says: May 8, 2011 8:46 PM

    @butchsouth

    The owners already met them half way, but the players decided to walk away from the negotiations.

  146. bluetalonz says: May 8, 2011 8:48 PM

    icuwoot, it would take a complete idiot to think that owners’ NFL-related property would be worthless without players. It might not be worth as much as with the players, but if the NFL was gone forever, that property would still have a LOT of value.

    Go try to buy a piece of “worthless” land and see how much it costs you.

  147. iamtalkingsolistenandlearn says: May 8, 2011 8:58 PM

    Sifting through all the moronic statements made here by obviously clueless people who choose a position/side with a dart because they can’t understand the FACTS to make an intelligent choice, I need to point out a few things.

    1. Billionaires do not become billionaires by being easily manipulated, intimidated, or being pushed around.
    That is what DEmo Smith has been attempting to do, and he is not doing it with the players interest in mind. He has ulterior motives and those include money, and his career future.

    2. Billionaires are usually grudge holders and I suspect a few owners have taken public comments made by Smith and some players and are holding them for payback. Specifically, I think Adrian Peterson’s slavemaster comments have P*ssed off a few owners and it will come back on either the union through a new deal, or on A.P. in the future.

    3. There are those who are cut out to be leaders and owners of companies and corporations.
    There also are those who are cut out to only be employees and work for others.

    It’s very apparent by many posts here that people such as stanklepoop, nineroutsider, duanethomas, lostok, and tommy15 are and always will be nothing but bitter employees. I’m not knocking every person that works for others, just the bitter ones like those above who wish they could own their own company but are too damn stupid and lazy to accomplish. Those are the same employees that always are going on sick leave, making excuses for poor workmanship, sleeping on the job, coming in late, leaving early, playing the attendance system and depending on the union to keep the company from firing them.

    It is also clear that others have that leadership skill, are driven, intelligent, and appreciate the fact that OWNERS OWN, and EMPLOYEES DON’T OWN. THEY ARE EMPLOYEES!
    THEY ARE NOT PARTNERS. They get a check signed by the team,,,which the OWNER OWNS!

    People like tinkletinkle, mistezzracael, chapnastier, zaggs, danetow,and mick730 . Those are people that get it.

    For the idiots let me make it easier for you to understand.
    The first group I listed is more like Randy Moss, Brandon Marshall, Plaxico Burress, Art Schlechter, Dez Bryant, and Aquib Talib.

    The last group is more like Dick Butkus, Jack Lambert, Ronnie Lott.

    I sure hope that first group doesnt have any offspring.

  148. iamtalkingsolistenandlearn says: May 8, 2011 9:03 PM

    @icwoot

    Yet people also cant seem to grasp that each year new talent is drafted, players will be replaced each year. The teams and league will go on. But where else are the players on rosters today going to go earn even half of what they earn now?

    The teams don’t need this group of players. There will be another Manning, Brady, Fitzgerald, Hillis, etc coming along soon enough.
    But there is not another football league that will have the financial means to replace the NFL.

    Don’t you see that?

  149. vahawker says: May 8, 2011 9:03 PM

    Well, just about every NHL playoff games is going into overtime..great post season there. Unfortunately, that only takes me to June.

    So, if the ‘NFL’ shuts down and leaves 32 separate entities(which is what the players seem to want) then each team will need to schedule there own games like they do for out of conference games in college. Will every team want to play the Bills, Bungles, Browns,(and yes, Hawks) in order to pad their records(although what exactly will they be playing for?) or will they only want the Cowgirls, Deadskins, Steelers, Pack and other teams that travel well and have spread out fan bases?
    Can each team chose to have as many or as few players as they want?
    No salary cap/no salary floor?
    yes/no health care?
    No profit sharing obviously.
    Are contracts written based on the “NFL League year”? Is so, they are in limbo at best, possibly void if there is no NFL to have a league year.

    BTW, when are players going to start sharing endorsement monies with their partners the owners? oh that’s right..they are only partners when it comes to profit earned by the league(and certainly not when it comes to team outlays and especially not when it comes to their own endorsement money that is completely and inextricably tied to the fact that play football. )

    Crazy idea here, both sides shut up, stop posturing, extricate your heads from your increasingly foul smelling rectums and negotiate a long term deal. Oh that’s right Dee Da Dee was never interested in that and still isn’t. My bad.

  150. iamtalkingsolistenandlearn says: May 8, 2011 9:05 PM

    kissbillsrings says:
    May 8, 2011 8:41 PM
    Lock it all down….lets skip a year of football & pi$$ all the fans off….football will then go back to being affordable…..
    Parking:$5.00
    tickets:$15.00-$40.00
    apparel:$5.00-$20.00

    Let it happen PLEASE……

    *****************************************

    Yes, please.
    Lock it down. Then when it returns do not go back for another year. Then both sides will really know to get fans back will take reducing prices

  151. 411dooleybug1 says: May 8, 2011 9:07 PM

    I am no lawyer and I certainly don’t know any more of the intricacies and nuances of this case than that which I read but…

    If the lockout is lifted, is it not the case that ANY set of rules (e.g. 2010 CBA rules) the league imposes will be in violation of antitrust laws because the “league” is representing the wishes of 32 different business entities, the owners of which thus being guilty of “collusion?” SO, if that happens, wouldn’t the players sue no matter what the league did? I thnk the answer is “yes.”

    If the NFl ceases operations and reforms as an entity within which it has 32 branches (for want of a more technical term)? If it is a single entity then it can impose a set of rules and not be subject to anti-trust violation suits. Yes or no?

    It would seem logical, however, as someone questioned above, that all player/coach (and, presumably, any subcontractor from the medical staff to the groundskeepers) contracts would be null and void. If that is the case, all teams would then be starting from scratch. Which, for the Dolphins, could be a saving grace!

    Think about it: no players or coaches under contract – total do-over, rules imposed that would limit rookie salaries, put into place a salary cap, parity protections put into place, allow owners to agree on what and how they wanted things to be in the league without fear of suit (e.g. re-value what players are worth and stay within those bounds as a group – no more multi-million dollar contracts – really who else would hire the players to play for as much money as they’ve been getting – the UFL, LOL? They’d have to play for what they could get. It could totally reset things and the owners would win outright).

    I am not saying this is good. I don’t like it but, if that is how the league could end up operating if they shut business down, well, that’s smart business….It just sucks for everybody but the owners.

    Now, please, somebody, tell me why I am wrong. I truly hope I am on some legal or logical basis.

  152. fatguystrangler says: May 8, 2011 9:13 PM

    If the owners feel this is in their best interest to force negotiations towards a deal that is mutually beneficial for the future of the league and its players(not just the length of Brady et. al’s contracts), then so be it. I want to see the NFL on steady footing for the foreseeable future. At this point, I’m kind of numb to all this courtroom haggling between both parties’ legal teams (although, admittedly, I’m still pro-owner’s stance). It’s easier to say this since it’s only May, but if there’s a season, great! If not, well, I will pay even more attention to NCAA football on Saturday’s(with all the amateurism issues, is almost pro, anyways) and playing in a flag football league and pick-up games with friends and family. It’s not like the game of football will cease to exist. Go out and play it with your children, or friends, or partake in whatever hobby.

    Think about, for example, if the lockout continues to drag on, and games are canceled. When they resume, and if ratings go down significantly, does anyone think the NFL will be in a stronger bargaining position with the TV networks, in the future? No, both parties will be adversely affected. So, if this proposal (which is an ultimate last resort) finally forces some negotiation, then good for all parties.

  153. willycents says: May 8, 2011 9:19 PM

    psssst @ iamtalkingsolistenandlearn

    Please, the first group of posters you named are players. Not nice to call them out and then mis-identify them in the post. At least call them their real names. :)

  154. qj1984 says: May 8, 2011 9:20 PM

    I mentioned this about a month ago. I even believe its something that needs to happen now, in order to save the season, as opposed to after the league loses in court. The league needs to force the players back to the negotiating table.

  155. freedoginit says: May 8, 2011 9:23 PM

    Lock out, NO PROBLEM…..Opens the door for Professional SOCCER the REAL FB!!!!!

  156. nflcraziness says: May 8, 2011 9:27 PM

    Really? No class NFL… Play ball, if that’s what the courts rule. If the league does that, the players should file a class action lawsuit against the NFL to void their contracts, sit out the year, and start their own league!

  157. bronco1st says: May 8, 2011 9:35 PM

    how about the fans shut down and take their money and go home? Leave the owners and players to divvy up what’s left of the jock straps and sweat pants.

  158. j0esixpack says: May 8, 2011 9:35 PM

    It’s called “the nuclear option”

    And it does seem that all these idiots might just be capable of it.

  159. kidder95 says: May 8, 2011 9:40 PM

    Product… everyone must begin to think product.

    Honda sells cars, boat motors, motorcycles, etc.
    NFL sells football tickets, jerseys, drafts, etc.

    If Honda shuts down, it goes bankrupt.
    If the NFL shuts down, it would go bankrupt.

    If Honda wants to eliminate its current workforce for a new one, it does so knowing its risk to its product.

    If the NFL wants to eliminate its current workforce for a new one, it does so knowing its risk to its product.

    Pro-Owners people need to realize that sport is unique in that the product ARE the employees.

    Pro-Player people need to realize that companies have the right to reorganize and perform holistic workforce reductions.

    Problem for Pro-Owners is that the appeal to the fan is the product. The product determines the market share, determines the revenue, determines the profit. And the product… wait for it… ARE THE PLAYERS!

  160. descendency says: May 8, 2011 9:47 PM

    The players can’t win if the owners are allowed to do this. They simply can’t. No legal action they take can attack that strategy. They’ve lost if this is true unless they can somehow go after all of those guaranteed dollars and get cities to go after billions in stadium costs, and TV sponsors to go after billions in advertising.

    Basically, if the NFL is just allowed to close shop, it’s over and the players have lost.

  161. locutus says: May 8, 2011 9:48 PM

    I concur with many things iamtalkingsolistenandlearn says. He makes plenty of sense and in the end, owners own and players play. To the people that think the UFL or any other “minor” league can come in and swoop all the players and, without a beat, create NFL2, I only have this to say…

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    I would venture to guess it would be easier for Santa to make an appearance than for that to happen.

  162. geo1113 says: May 8, 2011 9:53 PM

    @kidder95

    You obviously don’t know the meaning of bankrupt.

  163. mick730 says: May 8, 2011 9:55 PM

    Players start their own league. That’s funny.

    As for the league itself if the 8th circuit rules against them, shutting down is the absolute right way to go. And all they would have to say is that since the players have won, the league must suspend operations for at least one year so that the NFL can reorganize itself and so the 32 individual businesses can determine the best way to operate in the new environment. In addition, all 32 teams and their new association, the league, must consult at length with legal counsel to ensure that there will be no ant-trust violations in how the league/association and the 32 individual businesses operate.

    Ever so easy.

    No court can dictate that any private business in this country remain open against the wishess of the owners of that business. There is no national security aspect to the NFL. Why should the owners submit themselves to endless anti-trust lawsuits by hundreds of players simply to provide people with football? They won’t. That’s why this Batterman character is on the owners leagal team. He shut down the NHL for a season and brought that union to its senses. The NFL will do the same to the NFLPA.

    Oh, and one last thing on the players and their own league. Starting a business requires hard work. Making a business a success requires even more hard work. Keeping a business profitable requires more than just dumb luck.

    All of the above rules out the players. They don’t work. They never have. They play a game. They play a children’s game. Most of them have the intellectual capacity of children, and many of them have the moral and ethical capacity of criminals.

    Thinking NFL players are going to start their own league is like suggesting that welfare recipients start their own welfare office and print their own welfare checks. Makes about as much sense.

  164. sportsreporterusa says: May 8, 2011 9:58 PM

    If the owners of these teams do this – they are definitely going to be sued in local courts and it won’t be for the owners’ business interests.

    It will open the liability to have their personal assets claimed through a personal class-action lawsuit by the individuals who could seek damages against the individuals for irreparable damages against personal employment interests.

    The basis of those claims are the existing contracts that are still en force. Closing the league down does not invalidate the validity of a contract.

    That would not be in the best interest of these individual owners and shareholders.

  165. spfripp says: May 8, 2011 9:59 PM

    So the Owners threatens a complete shut down? So what is going to happen next, the players decide to jump to the UFL and the NFL is left with no players to negotiate with? If that happens players will make less money and the owners would lose their investment. When will they both realize that there will be no winners in this thing? A compromise is the best option for everyone’s sake.

  166. aquanorange says: May 8, 2011 10:07 PM

    No saints on either side, but the owners struck a very poor deal last time around-so bad that the players gloated about it. The bean-counters see tremendous revenue growth ahead, and the owners want some of that back before this growth is realized. Pretty reasonable, since it’s their capital at risk-not the players’. If the players give them the rookie cap and meet in the middle for a giveback on revsharing, a deal should get done. They might even get big concessions on FA. Some of the other stuff, like an18 game season, was probably a phantom the owners created to create the appearance of a concession.

  167. j0esixpack says: May 8, 2011 10:16 PM

    If they pull this, I’m hiring some scab owners.

    Who’s with me?

  168. iamtalkingsolistenandlearn says: May 8, 2011 10:17 PM

    @kidder

    Keep your Honda and your players. I will stick with the owners and an American made car.
    BTW, made by union workers that know the meaning of making concesstions and redoing contracts in order to help the company survive. For if the company does not survive, the workers won’t have jobs.

  169. iamtalkingsolistenandlearn says: May 8, 2011 10:19 PM

    @Locutus
    Thanks

  170. geo1113 says: May 8, 2011 10:23 PM

    It will open the liability to have their personal assets claimed through a personal class-action lawsuit by the individuals who could seek damages against the individuals for irreparable damages against personal employment interests.

    The basis of those claims are the existing contracts that are still en force. Closing the league down does not invalidate the validity of a contract.
    ______________________

    The owners can cut the players any time they want. All they have to do is open the season, cut everybody, and that would be that. There would be no liability to the players.

  171. sportsreporterusa says: May 8, 2011 10:40 PM

    @geo1113 – Actually, if the owners did that then they would be in violation of the Sherman Anti-Trust Act (again) and they would be held in contempt of court and then the owners would get to go to jail.

  172. drumzan says: May 8, 2011 10:50 PM

    Perfect time for the Buffalo Bills to join the CFL.

  173. kidder95 says: May 8, 2011 11:07 PM

    Contracts.

    The lockout is illegal in the fact that player contracts, negotiated in good faith, can be held against a player. In addition, facility contracts can be held against the facility. Both cause irreparable damage.

    Say a new football league started this fall. Say the offered Ray Lewis and he said yes. Baltimore/NFL could then start its season and fine/sue Ray Lewis. Ray Lewis is in a legal pickle. Do I play now and take the risk, or do I wait until the lockout ends. Irreparable damage.

    Say that new football league wants to play football in Qwest Field on Sundays, from October to February. Oh man… the NFL has those days tied up… maybe. Irreparable damage.

    The NFL is a true antitrust case. No court can rule otherwise without requiring all existing contracts be made null and void.

    Free markets is where this is all headed. Losing the draft will affect all sport. And I say good riddance.

    It is funny. The owners want socialism, the players say they want capitalism. The blog comments see it in reverse. In the end, free markets will prevail. We will find a way to make it fun.

  174. jbcommonsense says: May 8, 2011 11:08 PM

    Yes, pro-owner posters, the owners could shut the league down. Right now, pro football has a huge following and reliable profit margins. After 1-2 years of DELIBERATELY withholding the game, their names will be mud. It would take them years just to crawl back to their current profits. If they are the insightful entrepeneurs you all seem to think they are, I doubt they will make such an asinine, self-injurious decision.

  175. deconjonesbitchslap says: May 8, 2011 11:10 PM

    Whatever leads to these ego maniac players becoming less relevant to society, I am all in favor of.

  176. kidder95 says: May 8, 2011 11:18 PM

    geo1113

    You are correct. Perhaps I should have used a different term than bankrupt.

    That being said:

    Honda could never shut down its workforce.

    Wells Fargo could not tell its investment bankers to take a 19% pay cut. Their best would go where the money is, and bring their portfolio with them. Buh bye investment banking profit.

    Neurosurgeons are not asked to take pay cuts. They find new hospitals.

    Football players work for an oligarchy. There is no way around the antitrust position of the NFL. Not without making all player contracts null and void. Facilities may be included as well.

    Given fair markets, new football leagues can and will take form and compete. The AFL was not that long ago, and caused massive problems for the NFL.

    Free markets.

  177. rockermaximus says: May 8, 2011 11:33 PM

    airraid77 says:
    May 8, 2011 4:03 PM
    and you are shocked?
    you really think the owners are going to continue to do bad buisness? THEY ARE BILLIONAIRES for a reason…..none of which follows the liberal(communist) logic
    ——————————————————–
    Liberal Economics and Communist Economics are competing Economic systems. How dumb can some people be. LOL!!

  178. 4evrnyt says: May 8, 2011 11:38 PM

    This has to be the dumbest rumor of all time. If the league tried to shut down completely you can bet your ass the agents and union(if it exists again) will say OK, then ALL players are free agents when you decide to open your doors. Good luck signing all of your star players when they are suddenly free to go to the highest bidder.

  179. geo1113 says: May 9, 2011 12:08 AM

    @sportsreporterus

    As I stated it above, you could be right. But if the league disbands, then individual owners could cut everybody. There would be that much uncertainty.

  180. oreo51 says: May 9, 2011 12:30 AM

    The five team UFL cannot possible absorb the payroll of the 32 NFL teams. Get real! It takes years to organize the ownership group to run a league like the NFL.

    The NHL shut down for a year and there were no anti trust issues. It is a great strategy. I hope they do it. Put the players in their place along with the activist judges that are responsible for this mess. Ticket prices will come down when player salaries come down.

  181. biist says: May 9, 2011 12:30 AM

    Nuclear option out-come: Players win and Tom Brady, et. al. win antitrust. End of NFL. The irony is they win the battle but lose the league and have a smaller pie to apply their 60% revenue “winnings” against.
    Tom Brady will be the icon of the end of the league. The rings on his finger will be worthless as the last superbowl will have been played and the league becomes a MLS like shadow of its former self. Small market teams fold for lack of revenue sharing; their are fewer teams for from which players can get hired. And former players with injuries get a smaller or no check as league cannot afford extra contributions.

    Players ought to be careful what they wish for…they may just get it after all.

  182. geo1113 says: May 9, 2011 12:33 AM

    @kidders95

    This article is about the NFL closing its doors. The lockout is covered by Brady et al and the court will decide what happens. If the 8th Circuit keep the lockout in place while deciding the case, we will find out then what the liabilities are when the case is fully adjudicated.

    None of the things you say will be irrepaable harm has to come if the league is disbanded. Teams are still liable for their contracts if they close their doors. But since players contracts aren’t guaranteed, it doesn’t matter. Also, if the Seahawks close their doors, they are still liable for the terms of the contract. Don’tyou think Paul Allen knows that. He can pay and if the team can’t pay, the team can file for bankruptcy relief. If he pays, he can keep a team from the new league off of that field.

    As for the free market, I am not necessarily against it. However, you do need to be aware that there will unintended consequences. It may or may not be fun.

  183. stevecmh says: May 9, 2011 1:01 AM

    It’s amusing to read that if the players are successful in negotiations, it will actually benefit Jerry Jones and a few other rich owners who will gleefully turn the NFL into MLB. If you follow this theory to its logical conclusion, you have to assume that those owners are hoping for the players’ success if not actually secretly colluding with them. Those players deserve an Oscar for acting so upset when Jones “stormed out of the negotiations” last month!

    On a more serious note, the owners may bluff about a shutdown but they are essentially doing that now with the lockout. If the lockout were to continue into the season, the owners would be in a very similar financial situation, wouldn’t they? They would probably be able to reduce their fixed expenses by a formal shutdown but would also likely incur certain one-time charges for shutting down.

    The owners cannot afford to actually shut down the league, nor can they afford to continue the lockout into the season, because most have financial obligations they would not be able to meet without their 2011 revenue. It’s possible they would be able renegotiate those obligations but that would be subject to their individual situations and likely up to their creditors. While some owners have outside business interests that could help them meet their football-related obligations, all of the owners are not in that position.

    And let’s not forget the penalties they will likely incur from their violation of the last CBA. That damages hearing will start in Judge David Doty’s courtroom in a couple of weeks. While I’m sure the owners would appeal an unfavorable decision, they may have to post a very sizable financial bond in order to file the appeal.

    Of course, the players have financial pressures on their side ALSO. Those pressures are not as easy to summarize because there are so many players with unique circumstances. There are only 32 owners who receive equal league revenue plus individual team revenue. I suspect the players’ situations are much more varied than the owners because of the wider disparities in their incomes. For this reason, it will probably be more difficult for the players to stay united compared to the owners. That’s what the owners are banking on, I think. Of course, most of the players are not used to being paid until the first game of the season. The only players likely to experience financial pressure before the season are those expecting off-season bonuses.

    This process continues to be a protracted, high stakes ‘game of chicken’ with the added dimension of external factors such as the lawsuits in Minnesota and St. Louis, the owners’ NLRB complaint, the owners’ major business partners, etc. Both sides are taking a big chance gambling with the success of the NFL. If the season is lost, there are no guarantees that the NFL will return to its prior level of success. Both sides are taking big chances with a $9 billion ‘golden goose’.

  184. jebsta16 says: May 9, 2011 1:27 AM

    I hope the owners do this. I don’t see anything good coming from giving in to the players. They have no right to be demanding so much money when they invest 0 % back. I would love the players association to get a nice reality check because if they don’t play football for the apparent bread crumbs they are making now I sure could use some help in my department where they will be making 1/100000 of what they are used to making and they will have to live a lifestyle of living within your means and pay check to pay check. I am so sick of the players demands. The owners gave you a more then fair deal and you turned it down. You made a huge mistake and now are going to get raped on the next deal and then you will beg the owners for the original deal back. Time to fire De smith for misleading you.

  185. bluetalonz says: May 9, 2011 1:49 AM

    Kidder95, it’s really hard to tell if you think everyone is really that stupid, or if you are just pretending to be that stupid.

    It would take a truly stupid player with a truly stupid agent to sign a contract with a start-up league with no out-clause.

    It would take incredibly stupid owners and managers in a start-up league to think such a start-up league would draw the kinds of crowds that require venues like Qwest, and that lack the imagination to work around potential scheduling problems.

    It takes a pretty stupid person to think that the NFL is the only option for people who want to play football professionally. UFL, AFL, CFL, are all viable alternatives for players who want to play and get paid for it. (It belies defining the NFL as a monopoly.)

    And it takes a pretty stupid person to write everything you wrote in the manner you wrote it (it takes a pretty flexible lexicon as well), as if there were no alternatives to the scenarios you posited.

  186. warhorse007 says: May 9, 2011 2:32 AM

    I dont blame the owners one bit.

    Well, dont let this little piece of news pass you by, cause it may just be the tip of the iceburg.

    The initial rumors of a complete NFL shutdown if the courts order a lifting of the lockout are slowly swirling.

    Cant say as I blame the owners. Nobody wants someone else telling them what to do in their own business, and if it were me, and I dont have the freedom to decide what happens, then I may as well shut my doors. I would never let a group of people that I employ dictate to me how things should be, simply because my business is lucrative.

    That would include the union they scam under.

    The players are making more money then they ever have before, and the money is SPREAD across the entire spectrum of players. The elite still take the biggest cut of the pie, but players that are further down build equity through their years. Can there be better retirement? Yes. Better medical? Yes.

    But in the end, I believe in the NFL, its too violent a game to be taking money from those lower on the tier and giving it to those higher on the tier.

    The NFL owners of teams that are struggling to stay afloat have a right to want to renegotiate. The owners had, and have excercised, their right to opt out of the current agreement.

    They no longer wish to work under that agreement, and its their right.

    The players also have a right to quit, and retire from the NFL and go somewhere else and find work……….McDonalds?

    Perhaps they ought to look into being a union rep, I hear they take home quite a bit of money, and have GREAT death benefits for their family members.

    Get rid of these players, and sign some new ones if they dont want to play in the NFL. The NFL isnt asking them individually to take pay cuts, and they will CONTINUE to make more and more money into the end of their careers.

    If they dont, goodbye, and bring in the players of the future, the stars of the future, and the game of the future.

    Start with this rookie class, and tell them if they want to play, today is the day.

    The only other alternative is for the 32 NFL owners to merge into a single entity, with limited parnterships and structures that allow for individual handling of their teams, and everyone knows that wont happen……theyre billionaires afterall.

    D. Smith needs to take his union busting derby, put it on his head, face the north and keep on walking till he hits water.

    I love my NFL team. And if that aint the players we have today, then goodbye, and bring in those who want to represent. I love football, even on its most basic level.
    If the competition is level, I love it!!!

  187. warhorse007 says: May 9, 2011 2:38 AM

    BTW, for anyone who brings the argument of the violence and threat of injury to the table, just remember: THEY DONT HAVE TO PLAY FOOTBALL.

    If they dont want to risk injury, dont play. Hello?

    NASCAR drivers……anyone stoppin you from getting out of an automobile and walking away?

    How about a coal miner? Dont want to get trapped in a mine?

    NFL players…….dont want to risk concussion?

    DONT PLAY.

    Go home and stop blaming others for your PERSONAL choice.

  188. anthonyfromstatenisland says: May 9, 2011 6:48 AM

    If the union can go out of business, why can’t the owners?

    What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

    And I say go for it, owners!

  189. lawyermalloy says: May 9, 2011 7:20 AM

    While I don’t believe the owners have the balls to shut down, to do so MAY be the choice that actually resolves this mess.
    As soon as the players lose several checks a settlement of ALL open issues will commence.
    This strategy would be a lot quicker than allowing this mess to grind through the court system.

  190. hank10 says: May 9, 2011 7:43 AM

    Memo to Owners and Players:

    You all can go straight to Hell. Do not pass Go. Do not collect your $9,000,000,000.00.

    That is all.

  191. raven4life21 says: May 9, 2011 8:47 AM

    If this happens, without football, I am fully convinced the world is going to end and the 2012 armageddon theory is true… and i say as politely as i can F-O-R-G-E-T YOUUUUUU!

  192. yzguy431 says: May 9, 2011 8:55 AM

    does anyone really think that ‘the fans’ will stay away from the game? they can take 2 years off, and ‘the fans’ will come roaring back.

  193. pksiv says: May 9, 2011 9:49 AM

    For all of those saying that these players can play in the UFL here’s what those guys got paid last season –

    “For the 2010 UFL season, a player making a UFL team’s roster will earn a salary of $50,000 over a period of eight weeks. And that is pretty much non-negotiable. ”

    Other than UDFA’s, do you really think any of the NFL stars are going to risk serious injury for $50K ?

    The NFL should shut down, re-organize as a single Corporate entity with 32 internal divisions that all operate under a single ruling body. They wouldn’t even need a CBA with the players. The league could dictate all the terms. The players can choose to play or not to play and there could be no collusion because it’s all one company.

  194. sfsaintsfan says: May 9, 2011 9:55 AM

    “drumzan says: May 8, 2011 10:50 PM

    Perfect time for the Buffalo Bills to join the CFL.”

    Where they would finish the season with a record of 3-6…..

  195. pigeonpea says: May 9, 2011 10:01 AM

    Last February, I watched my favourite team win the Lombardi for the fourth time and was really looking forward to see if they could repeat this season. After this mess, I have lost all interest. I didn’t look (nor care) who the Packers drafted, and instead booked the day off to take the girlfriend to see the Toronto Argonauts home opener. Who knows? Without the NFL in 2011, maybe I may find the CFL to be just as exciting – especially when all those unemployed NFL players come knocking on the CFL’s door for a job. With only 8 teams in the league, the NFL could end up with NFL superstars at every position!

  196. vahawker says: May 9, 2011 10:03 AM

    So Kidder…please point to the part in the owner’s proposal(that the players didn’t even bother reading) where the owners were CUTTING player’s pay. Unless you want to argue that a rookie cap cuts a rookie’s pay, but can you can cut the pay of someone you have never had a contract with?

  197. dietrich43 says: May 9, 2011 10:46 AM

    The Owners run 32 businesses. I’m sure they’ve figured out the cost to shutdown and lose a season, and they’re evaluating that against a bad deal with labor. Why is the possibility of a complete shutdown such a surprise?

  198. truthserum4u says: May 9, 2011 11:40 AM

    iamtalkingsolistenandlearn has covered much of what I was going to say, but I’ll chime in anyways.

    For those of you thinking a new league, or the existing UFL, can or will swoop in and take the place of the NFL are living a pipe dream. There are several reasons why.

    It takes years for a new league to establish owners, infrastructure and a business plan. The players would be giving up years of what is already a short career waiting for it to get started.

    Any existing or new league would need owners with incredibly deep pockets if they were to try and match the player’s current salaries; which would be highly unlikely. It’s also important to note wealthy owners on it’s own does not insure business success. The USFL had wealthy owners like Donald Trump and they still went belly-up.

    They would need incredibly wealthy owners because they would not be receiving huge TV contracts from the networks or cable, like some of you seem to think. The television networks aren’t currently handing over the big money to the NFL because the league has superstars playing in it; the league has always had superstars. It’s not because the game is wildly popular. It’s because the NFL has spent decades building a track record with solid and reliable management producing a proven commodity that the networks know is sustainable. The networks/cable won’t fork out nearly that kind of money to a start-up league or even the existing UFL without a much longer history than what they currently possess. This means the players would be settling for far less than they would with the last owners offer.

    The other statement I see posted so often is “the players are the game” or “the players are the product”. This just isn’t true. The GAME is the game. The GAME is the product. If this isn’t true, how did the NFL survive (and grow & thrive) when players like Montana, Elway, Payton, Rice, R White, and so many of the greatest to play the game retired? How will it go on without Manning, Brady, R Lewis and many others? Besides, the game is massively popular with people who could care less about the name on the back of the jersey – gamblers and fantasy leaguges.

    The bottom line is both sides need each other and need to acknowledge the value of the other. Whether you’re on the side of the owners or the players, you should be copying the following statement from rushbacker and emailing it to both sides.

    “Sadly, it now seems more about ego than anything else, even money. If both sides are determined to “win” at all costs, they should both be ready to pay the ultimate cost– which in this case is diminishing the popularity and profitability of the game.

    You morons have the throat of the proverbial golden goose gripped tightly in your mitts– go ahead, keep squeezing.”

  199. shark298 says: May 9, 2011 12:21 PM

    The funny thing is no matter how severe the stoppage as soon as they all snap their fingers and say it’s time for football, there will be 70,000 idiots in the stands forking over their hard earned mone

  200. notacelticsfan says: May 9, 2011 3:31 PM

    Question for all the people making arguments in favor of the owners: How much are you getting paid to troll sites and leave those comments, and are the Owners still hiring?

    Thank you in advance.

  201. ebenezergrymm says: May 9, 2011 4:13 PM

    100% on the owners side. The players winning does nothing for the fans, they won’t spend their money to upgrade your stadium experience, they won’t spend money on advertising or expansion, they’ll spend their money on new rims and Escalades.

    I also like the irony of shutting down the NFL and how it parallels decertifying the union. How’s it feel, DeMoron Smith?

    But what I really want to know is if when the league reforms and all contracts have to be redone, will 2K Sports get to make a new (insert name of new football league here) game? If so then

    FANS WIN! FANS WIN!

  202. locutus says: May 9, 2011 4:19 PM

    Question for all the people making arguments in favor of the owners:

    Speaking for myself, and I would venture to guess most that are pro owners, I am an owner of a company. I know what it takes to run one successfully and what employees do. During our history, there was a point where a segment of our employees had us over the barrel regarding their talents. Meaning they did jobs well and there were few in the free market to take their place so we had to swallow our pride and pay them whatever they asked for. Now, that is not the case and we can be more discriminating and they know this as well.

    One thing we would never do is just keep paying to the point of having no profitability. I would be the most vocal against the players if I were an NFL owner. They need to know they can go to hell by use strong arm tactics without any risk.

    Regarding your stupid question however; it only makes sense idiots like you think that anyone that is pro owner is a shill. It only solidifies the mentality that has engulfed the US and that is envy of anyone successful. Idiots commenting here will never be billionaires so the next best thing they (or their offspring) can hope for is to be a flash in the pan athlete to cash in. Pretty damn sad when you can’t see what is the correct course of action for not only the people who created the game but the game itself.

  203. Deb says: May 9, 2011 5:16 PM

    @palinforpresidentofnorthkorea and Mistrezz Rachael …

    Scanning the threads, I noticed you both waving to get my attention. That’s sweet, and I’m sorry to disappoint you. PalinforPresident, I can’t offer a legal opinion since I’m not an attorney. But as a one-time employment attorney, Mike has done a terrific job breaking down these complete issues. And Rachael, I do apologize that my posts are over your head. Perhaps you can take that up with your principal. Your school administration may be able to assign you to some remedial courses before you’re held back yet again.

    As for the topic at hand, I’d rather not waste my ire and hysteria on rumors. I’ll just wait and see …

  204. axespray says: May 9, 2011 8:16 PM

    so this is basically the owners “Electrical Nuke” thing?

    like on the Matrix 3?
    when the machines invaded and them bros just nuked themselves and they’ computers didn’t work after that?

  205. phonecops says: May 10, 2011 12:25 AM

    Please, somebody find the ghost of Pete Rozelle. Maybe he can convince everyone involved that we all sink or swim together.

  206. nineroutsider says: May 10, 2011 12:41 AM

    @locutus

    “Idiots commenting here will never be billionaires so the next best thing they (or their offspring) can hope for is to be a flash in the pan athlete to cash in.”
    ———————————————————

    Neither will you though. That is the major problem I have with you pro-owner guys that own a blue collar service company…you keeping putting yourselves in the shoes of billionaires as if their industry is similar to yours.

    It’s funny…keep doing it. Especially whoever it was that listed the keystone qualities of billionaires so eloquently and included ‘grudge holding'; you don’t happen, by chance of course, to see reflections of yourself in these qualities? Keep showing the digital world just how successful you are…its makes the lockout far more interesting.

  207. airraid77 says: May 10, 2011 7:23 AM

    a billionaire is a billionaire, He found ways to make a billion dollars. Which the libs cant stand.
    Nineroutsider, you keep you are not taking taking sides yet you keep taking head shots at the owners….are you related to m-flo?
    The owners should be praised not demonized.

  208. jpmelon says: May 11, 2011 2:56 AM

    If I owned a team and a bunch of goons that I pay millions of dollars to for playing a game 16 times a year asked for more, I’d shut the thing down to prove a point too.

  209. anthonyfromstatenisland says: May 11, 2011 9:15 AM

    But hank10: What if it’s more like $13.5 billion the owners and players do not collect?

    18 + 34 + 14 = making it closer to $13.5B than $9B:

    18 games, 34 teams in the league (one expansion team in Los Angeles, to go in the NFC West, the other in San Antonio, to go in the NFC East to give Dallas a natural geographical rival; then move the Seahawks back to the AFC West, which Paul Allen never wanted to leave to begin with), and 14 teams in the playoffs (by adding one more playoff berth in each conference, leaving only the 1 seed with a bye and thus getting rid of the riduculous situation you have now under which the difference between being a 2 seed and a 3 seed is greater than the difference between being a 1 seed and a 2 seed because the 1 and 2 seeds get both a first-round bye and home field in the second round while the 3 seed gets neither).

    Instead of this zero-sum crap about who gets what share of the pie, grow the pie, for cryin’ out loud.

  210. edman5222 says: May 12, 2011 2:04 PM

    @ jpmelon

    I can only hope the owners would be so stupid. If the NFL dissolves itself, what’s the first thing that will happen? The UFL or any other new league will open with 30-32 teams with all the same players from the NFL. So unless you were watching Giants v. Eagles because you love the historic connection the teams keep to YA Tittle and Ron Jaworski, I’m pretty sure you’re going to watch the same teams and players play in the new league.

    I leave open the possibility that the people who so blindly support the owners would watch the NFL with scrub replacements as long as there were enough shots of the Kraft and Rooney families up in their owners boxes. For those people, I simply ask that you please stop ruining the game for the rest of us.

    Lastly, how do people look themselves in the mirror when they say they’re free enterprise and hate unions for destroying America, but they want to force the players to be in a union and not be allowed to sell their services to the highest bidder?

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