Henne isn’t even the biggest hole on their team right now. Interior o-line is. When we could run the ball, Henne looked great. We couldn’t run last season and Henne was only a piece in a big failing puzzle that began with Dan Henning.

When was the last time the Dolphins had any success developing a qb.
Dan Marino was a long time ago!

They clearly have not demonstrated they have the structural organizational ability to develop one.
You can’t blame all the lack of success on AJ Feeley trade.
Feeley chances of becoming a good starting qb diminished once he was traded to Miami.

List of starting qbs since Dan Marino retired…
Chad Henne
Chad Pennington
Tyler Thigpen
Cleo Lemon
Trent Green
John Beck
Joey Harrington
Daunte Culpepper
Gus Frerotte
A.J. Feeley
Jay Fiedler
Sage Rosenfels
Brian Griese
Ray Lucas
Damon Huard

Thank ya sir …. yea Eagles are in a good spot and they dont have to trade him like every seems to believe. He would still have a ton of value either with the team or in a trade next year if the tag exists….. I know I got repetitive I know I got repetitive (<— Joke) and rambled on way to much but that tends to happen after you ingest 40 oz of Red Bull.

I know the Eagles will receive more for Kolb in a trade than McNabb. What I am saying is that he isn’t worth a 1st round pick. He was given the starting position and then lost it to Vick. He has had plenty of times to prove himself and he hasn’t taken advantage of it. I wouldn’t want to waste a 1st rounder on a guy who doesn’t have a winning attitude.
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The Eagles would have received more for Kolb last year than they received for McNabb. If they thought McNabb was a better option than Kolb, then they would have traded Kolb. As for losing his job to Vick, I disagree. I would say Vick took it from his.

Now you may not think he is worth a 1st and that is ok. But I have never heard anyone in the know suggest does not have a winning attitude.

Makes you think that Kolb will go on to be a superstar for which ever team trades for him.

You don’t have a clue. But that’s to be expected.

There was another promising but unproven QB who was #2 to Vick.

His “stat line” was an underwhelming 52.2% completion 6 TDs and 6 INTs. He was traded to the Texans and now 4 seasons later has a 65.5% completion avg. with 77 TDs and 46 INTs with 2 seasons of 4400+ yards passing.

Is Kolb another Schaub? No. But he’d do just fine throwing to Marshall, Hartline and Fasano. The kid has a decent arm and would be a sight better than anything they’ve trotted out since Marino retired.

Kolb in AZ

“Noodle Arm” . . . if you don’t know what your talking about refrain from commenting next time.

Are you sure thats not chad henne’s stats?

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I know the Eagles will receive more for Kolb in a trade than McNabb. What I am saying is that he isn’t worth a 1st round pick. He was given the starting position and then lost it to Vick. He has had plenty of times to prove himself and he hasn’t taken advantage of it. I wouldn’t want to waste a 1st rounder on a guy who doesn’t have a winning attitude.

What I do know is if the Eagles dont get a number 1 for him or a player/pick package that is equal or greater to a first rounder then I dont want the Eagles to trade him at all.

First off I think he will be a franchise qb. And you do not trade away a franchise qb who is just entering his prime unless the compensation reflects that. No matter what the situation is.

Secondly with the way Vick plays the qb position there is a high likely hood that he will miss some time this season do to injury. Im willing to face the reality that the Eagles will have to rely on Mike Kafka or a veteran they bring in after trading Kolb if I know the reward was worth that risk.

Thirdly having Michael Vick as your only legimate starting caliber qb is only sensible if you got good compensation for Kolb. Vick looked like a whole different qb last year. He learned how to read routes and coverages better, he learned how to trust his teammates and to be more patient, he learned how to stay and throw ot of the pocket, and he learned how to make all together better decisions, we think. All of those things were true in the first half of the season but towards the end he seemed to take a few steps back. He didnt compeletely revert to his old self but in some cases he did. He started holding on to the ball for to long and trying to do to much which led to sacks that no other qb would take. He started forcing passes to covered recievers which led to turnovers, drive killing incompletions, and his recievers getting hit way to hard and way to often. He started losing his spacing discipline which led to a very high number of sacks and batted balls. Even with those problems surfacing he was still a better and more complete qb the he ever was. But did he show the Eagles enough to give them the confidence to trade away a future franchise qb (in there opinion) at a time when they believe they have the talent to compete for a title for years to come(which will be Kolbs prime years)? Probably but only if they get what they believe Kolb is worth.

Come on if I was able to realize these things then Andy Reid and co. have definitely noticed them and went over it from every angle. They know the risk that come along with Michael Vick more then anyone. So who ever thinks that they would risk jeopardizing the 2011 season by keeping Vick as there only legitimate starter and trading Kolb for anything less then what they want for him doesnt know the Eagles.

They will keep Kolb for the insurance he brings and risk the franchise tag going away and not being able to get any compensation for him next season before they trade him away for less then what they think hes worth. Honestly even if the insurance he brings to the Eagles wasnt a factor they would probably keep him out of spite to prove a point. Andy Reid is stubborn like that and it hurts the team sometimes but in this case I think it would be an asset. It would show teams that they are willing to take a stand for there beliefes and next year if they can franchise Kolb some qb needy team that didnt offer what the Eagles wanted and suffered all last year with out a qb might be more willing to meet the Eagles asking price after realizing that they will take a stand if they have to.

My Point is trading Kolb is not set in stone. Which I like. If the Eagles dont get the value they want for Kolb then they would be better off keeping him. Kolbs talent, the chance of being able to franchise tag him next year and the uncertainty that surrounds Vick is plenty enough reason to keep the guy around. IMO a 1st round pick and a conditional pick that can be worth anything from a 3rd rounder to nothing ,depending on what slot that first round pick falls in (1-32), is where the negotiations should begin. Anything less then that and I would hope that the Eagles would tell teams that they are not interested and would rather keep Kolb then trade for that.

I’m not here to sell anyone on Kolb, bud. I’m just saying that I’m might actually… you know… watch the guy play instead of looking at his stat line and saying “Nah.”

The guy is just another Andy Reid QB who’s a system qb, that once traded, produces very little. See Feely and McNabb if you need examples. McNabb was finally exposed for his laziness and lack of preparation needed at the QB position.

You do realize that the Eagles would have received more for Kolb in a trade than they did for McNabb.

So then keep Kolb and let him walk at the end of the year (if there is a year) and get nothing in return?

HAHAHA, what does maimi dolphins know about quarterbacks? I mean except for Marino, name one other relevant quarterback from their regime. I think Kolb is still a question mark, but more of a sure thing then anyone of us knows about any the quarterbacks coming in this year from the draft. Miami might be trying to spin it so the price drops, but now, after they declared this, the price will prolly go up.”

Yes, getting David Woodley to lead you to a SB is an illustration of incompetence in the preparation of QBs. So is having backups like Earl Morrall and Don Strock in place for Plan B. Further, the reason the list is short is due to the long careers of their 2 HOF QBs.

Apples and oranges. Vick gave them a lot of flexibility. Besides, who would make a better #3 QB.

Kevin Kolb lost the starting job to Vick,a QB that was in the system 2 less years than he was and was out of the game in prison for 2 years.

Is Kevin Kolb worth a first round pick? No. IMO he still needs a lot of work. He leaves the pocket before the pocket is formed, he leads his receivers into defenders, and finally, he is lousy at recognizing the blitz.

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How about having the best regular season game of any QB against the #1 seeded Falcons? You have to admit that at least showed a flash.

I’m sorry, but when a team has a starting QB who is an above average injury risk, which I would say Vick is because of his reckless playing style, and they are still willing to trade the only other QB on their roster with any experience at all, that’s a red flag.