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For Cardinals, two second-round picks may be price for Kevin Kolb

Kevin Kolb, DeMarcus Ware AP

In a sign of how much interest there is in the future of Eagles backup quarterback Kevin Kolb (and how little else is going on in the lockout-plagued NFL), we have another story today speculating on what Philadelphia might fetch in a Kolb trade.

First we had the report that the Dolphins think the Eagles want a first-round pick for Kolb, and that Miami wouldn’t give up that much. And now we have a report about what the Cardinals — viewed by many as the favorites to land Kolb — might pay for his services.

Kent Somers of the Arizona Republic notes that the last time a backup to Michael Vick got traded, it was Matt Schaub moving from Atlanta to Houston. And when that happened, the price was two second-round picks, as well as a flip-flop of the eighth and 10th overall picks in that year’s draft. Somers suggests that the Schaub trade could serve as a template when the Cardinals call the Eagles about Kolb, which they’re expected to do whenever the league year starts.

If they can get Kolb for a pair of second-rounders, the Cardinals would probably be interested. The Schaub deal worked out well for the Texans.

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  1. thereisalwaysnextyear says: May 11, 2011 7:24 PM

    Why wouldn’t the trade they last did for a back-up with spot starting duty be the model? Why would they pay more than the one(if I remember right) second round pick they traded for Feeley?

  2. whitecastleisafoodgroup says: May 11, 2011 7:25 PM

    Philly would be stupid to dump Kolb. There’s not enough talent out there to pick up someone else when, not if, Vick goes down. Reid was ready to bank his job on Kolb so I’m not sure why the push to get him out. Vick has a year or two left regardless of what he did last year.

    Seen way too many “one year wonders” and “comeback players” to buy into Vick’s pro bowl year. Kolb is not the next Tom Brady but he’s better than 95% of all back-ups out there.

    Except for Rex Grossman ;)

  3. t4bd says: May 11, 2011 7:29 PM

    Kevin Kolb is the next Marc Bulger= ALL ARM NO MOBILITY=DEAD DUCK. Oh yeah remember that TURF in his grill last year . LMAO!

  4. nineroutsider says: May 11, 2011 7:32 PM

    I hope it happens, I don’t mind having to face Jay Feely twice a year. Hell, even when the Cardinals had Warner they were the only team the Niners seemed to play well against.

    That’s some good tastin’ bird…

  5. dgreenfi says: May 11, 2011 7:40 PM

    How did you pick that picture of Kevin Kolb? Were there no pictures of him throwing or are you insinuating that the Cardinals might trade for him and then convert him to LB?

  6. Dynasty says: May 11, 2011 7:45 PM

    Kolb to Fitzgerald would make for a great fantasy pair! He can throw it deep.

  7. 2009kenny says: May 11, 2011 7:45 PM

    Really, you must know that Andy Reid and the Eagles usually set a price and don’t back away from it. The truth is that the deal for Molb has already been done, just waiting to be signed whenever these dolts get a CBA

  8. whoknowsnothing says: May 11, 2011 7:55 PM

    I would view this as a good sign of faith, that not only the Cardinals truly want to compete next season, but also that they want to keep Fitzgerald beyond next year.

    If that happens, football in the NFC West will be worth watching again!

  9. nfceastisbeast says: May 11, 2011 7:56 PM

    Perfect, they can draft 2 more undersized defensive ends, but that would be a steal for the Eagles. I still don’t see what others see, he just doesn’t seem to have the arm to make the required throws. All QB’s look better in the Eagles offense.

  10. hawkeye6 says: May 11, 2011 7:57 PM

    Terrell Owens got one 2nd in his prime.

    One 3rd is fair for Kolb. He’s not Montana.

  11. Sandra Lee's Cans says: May 11, 2011 7:58 PM

    Why show him chasing down a pick? No pictures in the archives of Kolb tossing a TD? I’m no Philly or Kolb fan, but give us a break, already.

  12. dixiefan says: May 11, 2011 7:59 PM

    The eagles will need MORE than 2 second round picks! The Cards don’t have a QB nearly as good as Henningn and Henning is no way as good as Kolb. (remember in the few games Kolb had decent protection he passed for more than 300 yards and was selected the NFC player of the week).
    There are reports that the eagles will keep Kolb as a back-up to the often injured Vick if they don’t get their price. Maybe a player (a CB)and a high pick, but certainly not 2 seconds.

  13. chochav says: May 11, 2011 8:01 PM

    “If they can get Kolb for a pair of second-rounders, the Cardinals would probably be interested.”

    To be contenders they HAVE to/already are interested.

  14. chino1985 says: May 11, 2011 8:04 PM

    Ware!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  15. whathappenedtovox says: May 11, 2011 8:06 PM

    Gonna cost more than that, fellas.

  16. seabreezes51 says: May 11, 2011 8:06 PM

    Two deuces work but they need a guy that is on the field for downs if this is any good for the Eagles

  17. shl4vikes says: May 11, 2011 8:10 PM

    HERSHCELLLLLLLL!!!!!

  18. sftitan says: May 11, 2011 8:16 PM

    I would have like to have seen the Titans in the mix here and have taken a DT with the #8 pick.

  19. esg6string says: May 11, 2011 8:17 PM

    That fails to take into account the total price of that trade was a mid-to late first round pick (23 or something like that) and that it likely happened before that years draft not after it. A year away from the draft = a higher price tag. The Cards would be getting an immediate return while the Eagles would have to wait a whole season to get something and two years to get the whole return. No way that happens.

    Think before you write.

  20. bloggingainteazzy says: May 11, 2011 8:18 PM

    I think the Eagles should take 2 2nd rounders.. But I believe they want a first at least!!

  21. andyreidisfat says: May 11, 2011 8:22 PM

    If the Eagles don’t atleast take a shot at DRC or Peterson I will dis own them as my team and route for an AFC east team. I will also except the DT (can’t remember his name) whom i think would help both teams the most

  22. profootballwalk says: May 11, 2011 8:24 PM

    Jake Locker was taken at #8, and he couldn’t win in college. How is Kolb not worth a first round pick? At least you’ve actually seen Kolb run an NFL offense. Locker couldn’t put a football through a hanging tire twice in a row if he was stuffed with Viagra.

  23. geo1113 says: May 11, 2011 8:25 PM

    The problem with this analysis is that the Falcons moved from the 10th pick to the 8th pick in 2007 and received a 2007 2nd and a 2008 2nd. So based on the notion that a current 2nd round draft pick is worth the following year’s 1st pick, that would then be an argument that the Eagles should get the Cardinals 1st and 2nd in the 2012 draft.

  24. eaglesfan290 says: May 11, 2011 8:27 PM

    They can hope for that deal, but it will never happen! Now that the draft is over they will be 2012 draft picks and since they will see no value till next year the price will be higher. I don’t think the Cards even have two second round picks next year so why would we want a 2012 and 2013 second round pick this isn’t lay away!

    A lot of people think just because his contract is up next year he can walk, the problem with that is we can also Tag him then trade him. We won’t need the Tag for Vick or Jackson both will be getting new contract once the league year starts. If the Franchise Tag is still around in the new CBA I would expect it gets used on Kolb.

  25. terrellblowens says: May 11, 2011 8:33 PM

    Schaub was selected at the end of the third round. Kolb was an early second rounder. The Eagles maximize the value of their players and like to buy low and sell high. They wouldn’t do this kind of trade. Especially if the Cardinals make the playoffs with Kolb. Then it basically becomes two third round picks for an early second round pick. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was traded to Seattle for their 2012 first rounder and a flip flop of late round picks. Plus Seattle with Kolb would probably have a worse record than Arizona with Kolb, based on their supporting casts. So the Seahawks pick could be high. The Eagles value Kolb highly because of where he was drafted, his performance in spot duty, and him being in the system for many years. It will take more than a pair of second rounders to acquire him

  26. thetechnocrat says: May 11, 2011 8:34 PM

    I wouldn’t give up too much. A 2nd and conditional pick based on production/starts would be better. He only has a handful of starts and a concussion on his record. One concussion always opens the door to repeats.

  27. seabreezes51 says: May 11, 2011 8:45 PM

    Rodgers-Cromartie and the 2012 1st round pick, gets it done

  28. halo81 says: May 11, 2011 8:52 PM

    And with that choice of picture to purposely aggravate Eagles fans in an unprofessional way, I will take my clicks elsewhere for a week.

    Pretty lame guys. In fact, bush league.

  29. andrejohnsonforpresident says: May 11, 2011 8:56 PM

    idc about kolb to the eagles because personally I believe kolb won’t turn out to much of a star qb as it is.. Have any of you seen Schaub though? He’s a monster of a qb. Then again he does throw it to the best wr in the nfl.. ANDRE JOHNSON!!!

  30. NFL Football Now says: May 11, 2011 8:59 PM

    If that’s the market, one second rounder for Orton would be ideal.

  31. jroman11 says: May 11, 2011 9:03 PM

    nfceastisbeast says: May 11, 2011 7:56 PM

    Perfect, they can draft 2 more undersized defensive ends, but that would be a steal for the Eagles. I still don’t see what others see, he just doesn’t seem to have the arm to make the required throws. All QB’s look better in the Eagles offense.

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    Visit YouTube and check out some highlights. He clearly can make all the throws.

    BTW, which “undersized” defensive ends are you referring to? Cole and Graham are both 6-2 270.

  32. freedomispopular says: May 11, 2011 9:20 PM

    There’s a pretty significant difference here though…

    Matt Schaub >> Kevin Kolb

  33. broncobourque says: May 11, 2011 9:23 PM

    As a Broncos fan, I really hope all the Eagles fans suggesting it will be a 1st round pick or no deal are right. That should help the Broncos get a better deal for Orton since they will only be asking for a 2nd and Orton has a much better resume behind him.

    At the end of the day, Kolb has 7 starts and mixed results in those starts. Orton is surprisingly less than 2 years older than Kolb so age isn’t much of a factor.

    At best I think the Eagles could get a conditional 1st, based on team record. I don’t see any chance a team gives up an unconditional 1st and risks having that pick be a top 10 pick next season.

  34. oldbyrd says: May 11, 2011 9:30 PM

    Teams that think they can draft a Dwight Feeny are just plain stupid. He is one of a kind. Grahm looks like a flop to me. Nice kid I wish him success but, Dwight Feeny? In your dreams Andy

  35. starshipseven says: May 11, 2011 9:41 PM

    Sandra Lee’s Cans says: May 11, 2011 7:58 PM

    Why show him chasing down a pick? No pictures in the archives of Kolb tossing a TD? I’m no Philly or Kolb fan, but give us a break, already.

    Yeah were trying to get all the value we can for him, enough with the bad pictures. Now, on to the Offensive player of the week quotes!!!!

  36. nfceastisbeast says: May 11, 2011 9:56 PM

    nfceastisbeast says: May 11, 2011 7:56 PM

    Perfect, they can draft 2 more undersized defensive ends, but that would be a steal for the Eagles. I still don’t see what others see, he just doesn’t seem to have the arm to make the required throws. All QB’s look better in the Eagles offense.

    ————————————————————

    Visit YouTube and check out some highlights. He clearly can make all the throws.

    BTW, which “undersized” defensive ends are you referring to? Cole and Graham are both 6-2 270.

    Well lets see…Philip Hunt 244lbs., Juqua Parker 250lbs., Bryan Smith 250lbs., Ricky Sapp 252 lbs., Teo N’eisham 263, Abiamiri 263. And 270 is very much undersized when the average weight of tackles is about 320lbs. which means there giving up about 50-70 pounds per man…..and Kolb has a noodle arm, you check out his highlight videos, then check out his ‘lowlight vidoes’

  37. macjacmccoy says: May 11, 2011 10:08 PM

    “whitecastleisafoodgroup says:
    May 11, 2011 7:25 PM
    Philly would be stupid to dump Kolb. There’s not enough talent out there to pick up someone else when, not if, Vick goes down”

    They think the reward of trading Kolb out ways the risk of not having a veteran back up for Vick. Of course that depends on them getting what they want for Kolb. I gurantee you if they dont get a first round pick for him they will not be trading him just for the reasons you said.

    Andy Reid is very high on Mike Kafka though and theres no one in this league that is a greater authority on qbs. Andy Reid has been 1 of the best qb coaches in the league for over 2 decades and if he thinks Kafka can get the job done I believe him. I mean look at his history with qbs

    He built Brett Favre from just a guy with a name that no one could pronounce into the greatest QB in NFL History

    He turned a running QB in Mcnabb to a pocket passer who went to multiple pro bowls and took his team to the playoffs 8 out of 11 years with 1 Superbowl and 5 NFCCG apperances

    He turned Michael Vick from basically a wildcat QB into an accurate pocket passer with 1 of the best QB ratings in the league when everyone thought he had nothing left

    He made Kevin Kolb who everyone thought would either be out of the league or a career backup into a guy who has set records for the most 300 yard passing games and the most NFC player of the week awards in his first 7 career starts awards and turned him into 1 of the hottest commodites in the league this year

    He turned Jeff Garcia from a dead arm washed out 3 time failure into a playoff winning QB

    And even Aj Feeley played well under Andy Reid, he once fetched the Eagles a 2nd round pick and he got closer to beating the Patriots in the 2008 regular season then any other QB and created the template on how to pick apart that defense by throwing for nearly 350 yards and 3 tds and was on his way to score his 4th to win the game until Asante Samuel made an incredible interception to clinch the win for the Patriots .

    So if Andy Reid believes that Mike Kafka has the ability to get the job done than I have no doubt that will.

  38. txchief says: May 11, 2011 10:16 PM

    Andy Reid is one hell of a used car salesman!

  39. layden18 says: May 11, 2011 10:27 PM

    Kolb isn’t much look qt his stats he has thrown more picks then tds he will never b more then a Jon kitna a lot of yards with a lot of picks he has not shown enough 2 get that much.

  40. sterilizecromartie says: May 11, 2011 10:47 PM

    The Eagles really aren’t getting much if this turns out to be the deal. They spent an early 2nd round pick (36 overall) on Kolb. They spent the past 4 years developing him. They gave him a lot of money both for his original contract and his extension last year when he was named the regular season starter. All that for a guy who only won you 3 or 4 games. And then to only get two 2nd round picks for him after you spent an early 2nd round pick on him to begin with….

    The Kolb pick, all things considered, didn’t turn out well for Philly.

  41. macjacmccoy says: May 11, 2011 10:59 PM

    nfceastisbeast says:
    May 11, 2011 9:56 PM
    nfceastisbeast says: May 11, 2011 7:56 PM

    Perfect, they can draft 2 more undersized defensive ends, but that would be a steal for the Eagles. I still don’t see what others see, he just doesn’t seem to have the arm to make the required throws. All QB’s look better in the Eagles offense.

    ————————————————————

    Visit YouTube and check out some highlights. He clearly can make all the throws.

    BTW, which “undersized” defensive ends are you referring to? Cole and Graham are both 6-2 270.

    Well lets see…Philip Hunt 244lbs., Juqua Parker 250lbs., Bryan Smith 250lbs., Ricky Sapp 252 lbs., Teo N’eisham 263, Abiamiri 263. And 270 is very much undersized when the average weight of tackles is about 320lbs. which means there giving up about 50-70 pounds per

    ______________________________

    ?
    Well I guess its a good thing that none of those guys you listed are tackles.

  42. agentcharlescarmichael says: May 11, 2011 11:36 PM

    Rodgers Cromartie, Patrick Peterson, Larry Fitzgerald, a first and the two seconds. And then again that’s not enough for a player like our Kevin Kolb…the cardinals would be getting a steal from us in that exchange. lol

  43. thefiesty1 says: May 11, 2011 11:36 PM

    Too much for only 7 starts. Basically a 26 year old rookie. Kind of like KC getting Cassel from NE after a few starts subbing for Brady. Of course the Cards drafted Leinart too. so this wouldn’t surprise anyone.

  44. riverhorsey says: May 11, 2011 11:45 PM

    one 2nd round is the max for kolb.

  45. melonnhead says: May 11, 2011 11:48 PM

    Why show him chasing down a pick? No pictures in the archives of Kolb tossing a TD?

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    Yes, but they wanted to show Kolb doing something that he does OFTEN.

  46. melonnhead says: May 11, 2011 11:50 PM

    And with that choice of picture to purposely aggravate Eagles fans in an unprofessional way, I will take my clicks elsewhere for a week.

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    That’s ok, I’ll triple my clicks to help make up for the butt hurt Eagles fans.

  47. listenupcupcake says: May 11, 2011 11:51 PM

    All this is spec. It looks like Reid has decided to trade Kolb, but he’s famous for changing his mind and hiding the ball, and the Kolb market in any event will be affected greatly by the timing of the start of the league year, which is anybody’s guess.

    But if Reid trades Kolb, he’d better get a good or better quality RT somehow – or Vick is dead. Draft picks in 2012 won’t do it.

    If the Eagles don’t pick up that RT and a quality starting CB for 2011, I’d say, no playoffs. If they do, I’d say legit SB contenders.

    Either way, there’ll be no Lombardi in Philadelphia until Reid delegates both play-calling and game management. Which he’ll never do. So – WGAS?

  48. layden18 says: May 11, 2011 11:58 PM

    The man hasn’t done much gee whizz. 11tds 14ints and a 73 passer rating just saying that’s worthy of a 2 2nd rounders. He’s not worth it at all.

  49. fflnick says: May 12, 2011 2:54 AM

    Based on prior history, the Seahawks will be a more likely landing spot for Kolb than Arizona.

    There actions suggest they place a premium on the qb position. They are willing to throw resources at the position.
    ie. Charlie Whitehurst trade

    Meanwhile the Cardinals have tried to recycle qb’s to avoid financial risk.
    ie. Kurt Warner, at the time they signed him, was not in demand and viewed purely as a spot starter.
    Last year the Cardinals choose the cheaper economic route by signing Derek Anderson instead of Marc Bulger. Rumors of a wink wink agreed upon deal with Marc Bulger has been circulating for awhile. They would try the same route they had previously when they had success with Warner.

    They also have not shown any interest in the past of trading draft picks for a qb. They resisted any attempts of trading for Donovan McNabb last year. McNabb’s strengths of vertical passing actually translates well into the Don Coryell’s Arizona offense. Eagles adapted a heavy vertical passing game to suit McNabb’s strengths as he struggled with short timing throws which are a staple of the West Coast offense.

    The transition for Kolb would also be easier in Seattle as their offense has similar West Coast tendencies as the Eagles core offense principles.

    Kolb does not make a lot of money this year. But he would be in line for starter’s money the following year.
    Bottom line spending money (Derek Anderson) is much bigger issue for Arizona than it is for Seattle. They are still paying for the Matt Leinart mistake and the organization has a history of pinching pennies.

  50. covercorner says: May 12, 2011 2:55 AM

    The Cardinals could have drafted a Qb in the draft, but they did not. Two 2nd rnd picks is too much. One at most.

  51. carson9 says: May 12, 2011 3:19 AM

    Kolb is the next Scott Mitchell. Yeah he looked good playing scrap ball against crap defenses behind a real starter, but give him a massive contract and watch him cave in.

  52. fflnick says: May 12, 2011 3:25 AM

    nfceastisbeast says: May 11, 2011 7:56 PM

    Perfect, they can draft 2 more undersized defensive ends, but that would be a steal for the Eagles.
    ____________________________________

    The Eagles and the Colts (who run the Tampa 2 principles) value speed in their defensive system over size.
    Each organization have been served well over the last decade with this principle.
    Jim Johnson’s system has had success with Hugh Douglas, Trent Cole, Derrick Burgess and others.
    The Colts with Dwight Freeney, Robert Mathis, & Raheem Brock.

    The draft success is under 50% for an good team. Listing defensive lineman that failed to make an impact shows they value the ability to get to the qb as they will continue putting resources into the position.
    All research points that you win by getting to the qb. The Colts have won the Super Bowl while being one of the worst teams against the run.

    The Eagles and the Colts think the best way to do that is with explosive speed at the position.

  53. pissondallas7 says: May 12, 2011 6:10 AM

    Stick with the plan

    Kolb for Peterson ,
    If not….. no Deal!!!

  54. rcunningham says: May 12, 2011 7:03 AM

    dixiefan says:
    May 11, 2011 7:59 PM
    The eagles will need MORE than 2 second round picks! The Cards don’t have a QB nearly as good as Henningn and Henning is no way as good as Kolb. (remember in the few games Kolb had decent protection he passed for more than 300 yards and was selected the NFC player of the week).
    There are reports that the eagles will keep Kolb as a back-up to the often injured Vick if they don’t get their price. Maybe a player (a CB)and a high pick, but certainly not 2 seconds.

    Who the hell is “Henning”?

  55. kevsright says: May 12, 2011 10:01 AM

    starshipseven says:

    Nothing important. AGAIN. :mrgreen:

    HINT- Change nickname to herpesdealinseven.

  56. nfceastisbeast says: May 12, 2011 1:54 PM

    @macjackmccoy,
    It’s also a good thing that you don’t teach reading and comprehension. I said they were undersized DE’s, going up against TACKLES that are 50-70 lbs. bigger than them. By the second half of the season, they are worn down and ineffective. How many sacks did their DE’s half in the second half of the season last year? 2?
    And kudos to the 6 people who also didn’t comprehend it and gave his comment a ‘thumbs up’ !

  57. jroman11 says: May 12, 2011 10:34 PM

    @nfceastisbeast

    Even the bigger 4-3 defensive ends around the league give up 40-50 lbs. to current offensive tackles. It’s all about speed, technique, strength, etc. See fflnick’s comments…

    I hope you’re not one of those fans who believes that Reid, Roseman, Banner, and Lurie are out to get you somehow. Give it a rest. It’s draining for those of us who actually like the Eagles.

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