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DeMaurice Smith: We went to the matresses because they made us

DeMaurice Smith, George Atallah AP

In the latest round of the war of words between the NFL and its players, NFLPA* chief DeMaurice Smith invoked some Godfather-style language to explain why he places the blame for the ongoing labor fight squarely on the owners.

“We went to the mattresses the day that we decertified,” Smith told WFAN’s Boomer & Carton, via CBSLocal.com. “Not because we wanted to, because they made us do it.”

As Smith sees it, the owners have misled the players about the NFL’s finances, and as a result the players have no choice but to fight.

“The players understand the fight that they’re in,” said Smith. “Right now they don’t want to lay down and be forced to take a deal. They don’t believe that it’s fair. I can tell you that they resent being lied to. They resent being tricked. They resent the fact that the league has been found now twice to have violated the law. So those are the people that we’re inextricably tied to.”

Still, Smith insists that the players want to get back to work for those owners.

“I can tell you every player wants to play football,” Smith said. “We’ve got our guys working out by themselves. You’ve got guys down in New Orleans where Drew [Brees] brought his guys together and paid their way so that they can practice. These guys are going and keeping themselves in shape for nothing at a time where, for the first time in history, a business has actually sued not to do their business. So while our guys are probably a little edgy, to use a soft word, they want to get back to enjoying their game.”

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  1. chuckcecil says: May 13, 2011 5:30 PM

    Yeah….but….DeMaurice Smith is a Commie, Nazi, Fascist.

    Cue the Spam

  2. toiletking says: May 13, 2011 5:32 PM

    You can thumbs down this all you want, but I like DeMaurice Smith and his hats. I hope he replaces the owners (especially Dan Snyder) with scabs.

  3. packattack1967 says: May 13, 2011 5:33 PM

    Nice Hat. This guy makes my skin crawl.

  4. jbaxt says: May 13, 2011 5:34 PM

    “If I wanted to see a pissing contest I’d lock Mose in the chicken coop.”

    I can’t wait until DuhMaurice gets canned!

    Thanks for the line Dwight!

  5. buffalohogan says: May 13, 2011 5:34 PM

    I have posted some very well thought out, time consuming opinions on the lock out, but i’m losing patience…

    DeMaurice Smith is a Douche Bag.

    PERIOD.

  6. mhs8031 says: May 13, 2011 5:35 PM

    Oh Shut up!!! You were screaming “Fight!” since they first shoved a camera in your face.

    And what does that mean anyway, “went to the mattress?”

  7. zimaman says: May 13, 2011 5:35 PM

    do you know how you can tell if a lawyer (MeMaurice Smith included) is lying?

    if his lips are moving.

  8. azbroncos says: May 13, 2011 5:36 PM

    The root of all evil…….DeMaurice Smith. Please somebody replace this guy so we can actually get a deal done. Obviously this is the garbage that he is feeding the players, no wonder they say the things they do when this is the man that is leading them.

  9. andrewfbrowne says: May 13, 2011 5:37 PM

    He went to the Mattresses because that is what he is paid to do, maximize the deal for the players, but I cannot abide a union, trade association or whatever they call themselves today pursuing a strategy of litagation when the last offer from the league only served to slow down the amount of raise the players were making each year and the total amount of money the players were getting is actually increasing from last year and the year before.

    Those are the facts and he can try to spin it anyway he wants to, but reality is that the NFLPA* now is refusing to let the NFL hit the brakes until they are already over the cliff edge and losing money.

  10. gorams55 says: May 13, 2011 5:37 PM

    so referring to the leagues statement as self serving propaganda and quoting de smith’s press release with out any commentary what so ever does not seem even a little biased to you?

    as far as i care you want to side with the players thats cool, but don’t continue to claim that this site is unbiased

  11. ar1888 says: May 13, 2011 5:37 PM

    DeMaurice Smith is a complete tool.

  12. timmytoad says: May 13, 2011 5:37 PM

    “Worse Deal in Sports History” is what Mr. Smith said prior to decertifing. He would not negotiate without 10 years of audited financial statements for each team. DeMo shut up and stop the outlandish statements and get your ass back to the table.

  13. tdk24 says: May 13, 2011 5:38 PM

    They don’t want to play, they just want the huge pay.

  14. jimphin says: May 13, 2011 5:38 PM

    Basically De Smith is using a very winsome negotiating technique… “Hey owners! You are a bunch of lieing butt heads and we ain’t conceding one thing…now let us go back to work and you exist for only one reason…signing those payroll checks.”

    You would think that eventually De Smith would start to tone down his retoric a little bit. But, he just can’t help himself. “They made us do it” sounds like one of those lies he is protesting about. It’s a bit too much like Bart Simpson’s line….”l didn’t do it” when everyone just watched him do it.

  15. ajtexans says: May 13, 2011 5:38 PM

    Hey DeMo. You left out the part about you not being interested in engaging in collective bargaining because that would make you look weak and therefore hurt your reputation as a tough DC lawyer. Booooooooo to you too and save the ‘all we want to do is play football’ junk. Especially given the content of the class action suit where your players claim that the draft with entering playing pool and certain aspects of free agency are illegal. Don’t mess with our game. It’s quite clear that you are at home in the courtroom.

  16. hawknut says: May 13, 2011 5:38 PM

    And you are making me run away from your sport.

  17. baronvonmonocle says: May 13, 2011 5:38 PM

    I understand going to the mat. I think going to the mattresses means something very, very different.

  18. brownsfn says: May 13, 2011 5:39 PM

    Give me a friggin break…if you believe this then I got a bridge to sell ya….

  19. spectre14 says: May 13, 2011 5:40 PM

    Once… just once I would love to hear something other than heated rhetoric and accusations come out of this blowhard’s mouth. Hint De: you’re not going to be buddies with the owners nor will you come away from the bargaining table with a smile on your face. You’re competing parties. You’re both looking out for yourselves. Learn to deal with it. It’s time to stop acting butthurt and start working towards a compromise. Sheesh.

  20. upperdecker19 says: May 13, 2011 5:40 PM

    Mr. Smith! Mr. Goodell! Anyone else involved with negotiations.

    Shut up, already. No one “digs” anything that any of you have to say.

  21. david7590 says: May 13, 2011 5:40 PM

    He’s such a liar. The players had no intention of striking a deal, they wanted to decertify and wanted to try and make the owners look bad. All it is is politics by DeMaurice Smith, who is nothing more than a politician. The NFL made major concessions to get a deal done, but the wonderful Union wouldn’t negotiate. And they all wonder why most Americans don’t like Unions anymore.

  22. jimr10 says: May 13, 2011 5:40 PM

    B.S.

  23. lodan60 says: May 13, 2011 5:43 PM

    We the fans resent the stupid games, you rich people are playing, keep it up you will kill the golden goose!

  24. idontcareuknow says: May 13, 2011 5:44 PM

    Hence why negotiations are not really working. This type of “us versus them” attitude gets no where, and De Smith has always had it. He’s more of an agitator than problem solver.

  25. euroamericans says: May 13, 2011 5:44 PM

    Does Deliar actually think fans are that ignorant? The situation is simple, the players got a good deal last time around. The CBA had an option to opt out for the owners which they chose to exercise. Now they want a new deal. The players want to keep the current one. In the end, the owners have the ultimate power. The players are delaying the inevitable. It is business. The part that is pathetic is this little troll acting like fans are stupid. It is almost as bad as the ignorance players show through Twitter.
    In the end we will eventually have football. Just stop with the pathetic sob stories about no insurance and how hard life is under the lockout. You just show how out of touch you players really are, thus losing the little respect fans have for the amount of talent it takes to get the privilege of being an NFL player.

  26. patsforever says: May 13, 2011 5:45 PM

    Smith is the worst. What the players did is the equivalent of shooting someone in the face because they looked suspicious. There was progress being made in the negotiations, and the owners were making concessions. Despite claims that the players are not being greedy because they want to maintain the status quo, that is not the case. The players are willing to impose a rookie wage scale as long as all of the money saved goes back to the veterans and retirees. It’s a farce, and Smith is the reason behind all of the issues. He doesn’t know how to negotiate.

  27. footballfanatic3431 says: May 13, 2011 5:45 PM

    The fact is that if they REALLY wanted a deal done all that badly, they would be at mediation today, tomorrow, and everyday until this thing is done.

    But they are too busy trying to gain leverage so they can back the NFL into a corner.

    Time continues to be wasted and fans continue to get more and more pissed off.

  28. mick730 says: May 13, 2011 5:47 PM

    Mommy! They made us do it! Boy, this guy is so tremendously impressive. Can you all dig it?

    Since the players, and notice I write players, not workers, not partners, not even employees, but rather, players, feel that the owners are so evil, so loathsome, such liars, and in their own words, led by the evil “Rodger Fraudell”, and many of said players feel the NFL is worse than slavery, why the hell don’t they put those college degrees that they all worked so hard for (cough, cough), to use, leave the NFL in the rear view mirror, and get into another line of work? “Play” at something else? You know, where they won’t be disrespected.

    Hmmmmm?????

  29. carson9 says: May 13, 2011 5:47 PM

    “I can tell you every player wants to play football,” Smith said. Yeah, they just want to play at a cost that will break the savings of all of the blue collar people out there…

  30. chatham10 says: May 13, 2011 5:48 PM

    The war of words, and Smith should also keep his mouth out of the press. The players are all behind him “as he says” so let us see what happens when there are no paychecks. I would not be upset if the NFL did what the NHL and cancel the season.

  31. skins359 says: May 13, 2011 5:49 PM

    Oh my God, enough with the war/mafia/etc references when talking about business or sports. I’m tired of this. You’re not going to battle, no one is going to die. Comparing your little multi-billion dollar negotiation, or even a playoff game, to a life or death fight is ridiculous.

  32. phelbin says: May 13, 2011 5:49 PM

    “I can tell you that they resent being lied to. They resent being tricked.”

    So De Smith is now the arbiter of truth? Ok…whatever you say there, bro.

    “…for the first time in history, a business has actually sued not to do their business.”

    Hold on…the owners sued? No, no. Brady and the players sued upon the direction of the NFLPA*.

    De Smith wanted to stick it to the owners from the very beginning. It’s all a power move. He does not care about the long-term health of the league. He wants only to win this fight, otherwise he would not have gone nuclear at the first opportunity to do so.

  33. dapell says: May 13, 2011 5:49 PM

    Characterizing the NFL’s deal that was by all reports an attempt to meet them in the middle as the “Worst Deal Ever” is the biggest lie I’ve heard in this whole debacle.

  34. geo1113 says: May 13, 2011 5:50 PM

    As Smith sees it, the owners have misled the players about the NFL’s finances, and as a result the players have no choice but to fight.
    ___________________

    De Smith had every opportunity to come back with a counteroffer regarding financial disclosure and chose not to do so.

  35. waketripper says: May 13, 2011 5:51 PM

    This stuff pisses me off to no end.

    Regardless of who is right or wrong at this point, all I know is the players walked away from an offer from the NFL, and the NFL’s constant matra is “we need to be at the bargaining table, not the courts”.

    Until I hear the players side saying the same team, they can bite me.

  36. mathsimillion says: May 13, 2011 5:51 PM

    This needs to be filed under your Turd Watch section.

  37. harmcityhomer says: May 13, 2011 5:51 PM

    I thought this was another Big Jen story based on the headline.

    I still do not see how the owners have a right to lock out the decertified players. All they have to do is implement rules that do not violate anti trust law and play football. Instead they would rather shut the game down until the players submit to thier will.

  38. manderson367 says: May 13, 2011 5:52 PM

    “It’s not our fault, they made us do it!” Sounds like something a 5 year old would say.

  39. geniusesq says: May 13, 2011 5:52 PM

    Why won’t the owners just show the financials and get this b.s. over with….

  40. tommyf15 says: May 13, 2011 5:52 PM

    The players had three choices:

    1. Agree to a bad deal. The owners’ proposal shifted over one billion dollars a year from the players to the owners. Can’t say I blame the players for not accepting this.

    2. Allow the owners to lock them out and see what happens. From a historic prospective lockouts are a deadly weapon for the owners, so I can’t blame the players for not wanting to go down this road either.

    3. Take their chances by decertifying and asking the courts to life the lockout.

    Next someone will say “just negotiate!”, but in the real world that’s not a solve-all. If the owners refuse to budge on their position, what’s the sense?

  41. nnagi says: May 13, 2011 5:53 PM

    the players were foolish to elect demaurice smith to be their leader, he’s an absolute idiot…the owners never forced the nflpa to decertify, they thought it would grant them more leverage and it didn’t…and now there’s no union

  42. denverhighrize says: May 13, 2011 5:53 PM

    Hopefully it was a sleep number matress

  43. pappageorgio says: May 13, 2011 5:54 PM

    Two thoughts:

    1) another cliche from D Smith. Would never have guessed that….the guy really thinks that he can just throw mud and speak in movie quotes and it’ll be a substitute for having something of substance to say.

    2) I teach elementary school sped…..one of the first rules I teach those kiddos is that nobody “makes” you do anything. We make our own choices in life and we have to live with them. Trying to convince people that decertification is really the owners doing is lame.

  44. thetechnocrat says: May 13, 2011 5:55 PM

    What a weasel. How can 5 years of financials mislead anyone? They saw the bottom line after expenses. Let’s not forget they walked away after the owners conceded to more financial disclosure and an attractive offer was already on the table. They just want as much as they can get without any risk and owners and paying fans like me be damned.

    Looks like he wants my seats to be 3,000 a game and hot dogs to be $400 just to keep the turf painted and the kindly old usher in a job. I’d like to pull his stupid hat down over his head and pants him.

  45. bw82b says: May 13, 2011 5:55 PM

    I said a few weeks ago that this lockout was killing my love for the Giants/NFL as a whole. I’d like to reiterate my growing disatisfaction with all things NFL,especially these reatrds in charge of this whole trainwreck. Keep fighting over the scraps off the billion dollar table while the average guy(myself included)are basically poor with no football.

  46. commandercornpone says: May 13, 2011 5:57 PM

    the league had the right to void the agreement.

    no one has a right to pull a sham decertification, duh.

  47. bunjy96 says: May 13, 2011 5:59 PM

    Did you forget you walked out of the bargaining with an offer on the table and made no effort to respond?

    Did you forget you started this when you decertified?

  48. mizzouram says: May 13, 2011 6:00 PM

    This thing is looking less like the NFL players vs. the NFL, and more like De Smith vs. the NFL.

  49. cromags says: May 13, 2011 6:01 PM

    Who grandstands more than Dee Smith?

  50. stevo8drum says: May 13, 2011 6:02 PM

    bla bla bla- get out of the way Dsmith. Your killing our sport

  51. brutus9448 says: May 13, 2011 6:04 PM

    cry me a river De Maurice. You think you’re doing gods work on earth. All you’re doing is making the jewlery stores and Bently dealer ships stay in business.

  52. dccowboy says: May 13, 2011 6:04 PM

    Of course they did. You just had no choice.

    Keep telling yourself that.

  53. virusgvr says: May 13, 2011 6:07 PM

    Is he in the mob now? Going to the mattresses? Really?

  54. evrybdyhas1 says: May 13, 2011 6:08 PM

    Great negotiation tactics, you stopped bargaining because the owners ” lied,” you resent being “tricked” and these are who you are “inexplicably tied to.” Oh yeah they also violated the law. Mr. Smith might fool the players with this divisive self serving BS but the fans can actually form their own opinion. How did Mr. Rooney, Mr. Mara, Mr. Bisciotti just to name a few get through life without the moral comp-ass, Mr.Smith. NFL 2011 is in real trouble

  55. footballfan292 says: May 13, 2011 6:09 PM

    The problem here is this…

    You got 2 sides who do not trust one another at all. And one side (owners) who refuse to provide any financial data to back up their claims only intensifies the distrust.

    Now you might say that it’s none of the employee’s business what an employer makes. That’s more of an opinion than fact. But the main problem with this is that the owners agreed to a labor deal in 2006 overwhelmingly (30-2 vote). And everyone was happy. Now all of a sudden the owners want the deal changed and won’t provide any data on why it should be changed other than a “trust us” statement.

    If we allow business owners to simply change deals whenever they want, why bother make an agreement in the first place? I agree with the union that the owners do not want a fair deal. They want a pro-ownership deal. Therefore the union is doing everything right in fighting to maintain the player’s rights and benefits are protected. That is the union’s duty.

    This is very, VERY obviously a wealth and power grab attempt by 32 extremely rich and greedy old men. That’s the reality.

  56. tommyf15 says: May 13, 2011 6:09 PM

    chuckcecil says:
    Yeah….but….DeMaurice Smith is a Commie

    Quite the opposite.

    Salary caps, revenue sharing, drafts, etc are communistic in nature. These are the things Mr. Smith is looking to get rid of so that the NFL can have a free market economy that is the pillar of Americanism.

  57. buffaloniner says: May 13, 2011 6:10 PM

    I’ve said it already and I’m saying it again. I think all us football fans should completely turn our backs on the NFL. There are other alternatives. These Greedy pigs deserve it.

  58. snnyjcbs says: May 13, 2011 6:14 PM

    It was the Players that walked away at the negotiations not the owners. It was the owners that made the last proposal not the players.

    These guys would be working at your local McDonald’s or bagging groceries at the local Market if not for the owners and the NFL. I hope the owners bury them.

  59. bsandcs says: May 13, 2011 6:14 PM

    gorams55 says:
    May 13, 2011 5:37 PM
    so referring to the leagues statement as self serving propaganda and quoting de smith’s press release with out any commentary what so ever does not seem even a little biased to you?

    as far as i care you want to side with the players thats cool, but don’t continue to claim that this site is unbiased

    ———————————————————
    exactly what i was thinking

  60. squabguy says: May 13, 2011 6:14 PM

    The Godfather quote was fitting. So fitting. He seems to really be trying to play the part, the look and rhetoric.

    I am sickened each time he speaks. Of course they all want to get back and play the game. Just make us even bigger money makers is all we’re asking. Just treat us fair.

    This has become such a blantant joke. The direction this NFLPA* bs is on the verge of taking this sport will change it forever.

    Play ball. The offer you walked away from (or in your language, ‘they forced you’ and filed/decertified was better. Wasn’t all the way over to your swing of the scales but was more than their initial. Sounds like negotiating to me. Walking away instead of countering or discussing fails to hit the definition of negotiating to me. Sounds like “we’re playing ball by my rules or I’m taking my ball home” mentality. The offer walked away, again not negotiated after, but walked away from was more than the players you rep made last season.

    “They just want to play football” type of statements makes a mockery of the fans if you think our intelligence is so thin.

    Get the negotiations done, not just check off your name as attended. Get them done if they really just want to play football and not screw up the game THESE FANS have built.

  61. nflfan101 says: May 13, 2011 6:16 PM

    Apparently I missed it. When did the owners hold a gun to D. Smith’s head and make him walk out of CBA negotiations, decertify the union, force certain players to file suit, and then not go to at least one court ordered mediation?

    Of course the owners didn’t force or make D. Smith to do anything. He did it on his own and he took the players with him.

    D. Smith logic is flawed. It is like “I was speeding because the car in front of me or the car behind me made me speed”. Well, no, they didn’t.

    Fans, players, and everyone else who wants football, tell D. Smith to get his butt into negotiations. It is clear that he prefers litigation to negotiations, but if enough people tell him to negotiate, maybe it would help. No, that is not going to work. D. Smith just wants to go to court. And to hell with the NFL.

  62. wcpatsfan says: May 13, 2011 6:19 PM

    Remember the 50/50 deal that the owners walked out on. Smith doesn’t get style points for being a creepy lawyer, but Goodell has all but lost face completely. Smith was always a creepy lawyer – but I accually liked Goodell before he tried to force-feed me blatant b.s. Send them both on a long vacation together to feed piranahs in the amazon… then just play ball… 50/50.

  63. malthor says: May 13, 2011 6:20 PM

    at least now i get it.

    The players are stupid, don’t believe revenues are down and are completely unwilling to negotiate in good faith.

    Now, finally, because of this tool all the crap we’ve been hearing from the players makes sense……..

    the players are wrong but at least now i see why they’re wrong.

  64. geo1113 says: May 13, 2011 6:22 PM

    cromags says:
    May 13, 2011 6:01 PM
    Who grandstands more than Dee Smith?
    _______________________

    Chuck Schumer.

  65. bravin4evr says: May 13, 2011 6:23 PM

    It’s ok when commissioner goofball opens his mouth, but not when demouth smith opens his. What’s up with that? Both guys are trying to serve the people they work for. Get rid of the goofball and demouth and let the PLAYERS and the OWNERS settle this! Not all of the players are idiots and not all of the are idiots, even though a lot on both sides are acting as such! Get it done before you guys lose more FANS!

  66. NoHomeTeam says: May 13, 2011 6:24 PM

    “baronvonmonocle says: “I understand going to the mat. I think going to the mattresses means something very, very different.”

    Outstanding. You win Best Post on thread. A welcome break from all the venom this issue is raising. Take an extra Thumb Up for your trouble!

  67. descendency says: May 13, 2011 6:34 PM

    I think what the players trade association is missing out on is that the 10 million they were fighting over (per team = 320 million total) is money that maybe 5 players per team would see. No team is considering giving their LS a huge pay raise and their kicker? Probably not.

    The vast majority of players that make rosters will never see that money. It’s the players like Julius Peppers and Albert Haynesworth (and QBs like Brady, Brees, Manning, etc) that are basically asking their teammates to miss checks so they can collect bigger checks. Right or wrong, that’s what’s really going on.

    Also, that 10 million extra is 10 million that agents could take a percentage of. Those agents are likely hoping the players win because they get a percentage of contracts signed. If every agent makes 10% (I have no idea what an agent’s cut is) then that’s 1 million per team (32 million total) that isn’t going into their collective pockets.

    Patriots fan favorites like Danny Woodhead and Dan Connolly are not getting more money if the trade association (union) wins.

    I just feel this is important to say.

  68. peanutbutter&jelly says: May 13, 2011 6:40 PM

    this guy is a clown.the owners hate this lock-out more than anyone and they would love to get a deal done. the owners are smart enough business people to understand that the nfl will not survive long term with the cba being the way it is that is why they are so firm in thier stance on this issue or why else would they just sit back and watch a 9 bil. industry go down the tubes?i know if were a team owner and i knew i could afford to shell out a little more and still make a good return on my investment i would do it in a heartbeat but thats not the way the current business model looks for the nfl & the future of the nfl so they are doing whats best for the game & themselfs and i don’t blame them however i do put part of the blame on de smith and his cohorts because they are to greedy & short sighted to see any point of view other than their own

  69. jc1958cool says: May 13, 2011 6:43 PM

    right on F__ those owners!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  70. buffaloniner says: May 13, 2011 6:43 PM

    If there is a problem with what I am posting send me a message telling me exactly what it is. My comment has now been unjustly removed TWICE.

    Screw “DE” screw Goodell and screw all the owners! Every statement that they spew out reeks of BS and its an insult to our intelligence!

  71. thegonz13 says: May 13, 2011 6:45 PM

    The mattresses? Who the hell are you, Vito Corleone???

  72. fergie22 says: May 13, 2011 6:46 PM

    well we do know that chester pitts and his butt buddy took to the materess is that what this douche means

  73. stephen02120 says: May 13, 2011 6:47 PM

    “But they are too busy trying to gain leverage so they can back the NFL into a corner.”

    And what exactly was the NFL trying to gain by having the Supreme Court review the American Needle case? And what was the NFL hoping to gain in its deals with the television networks that included lockout insurance? Leverage. It’s always a part of negotiation. The quest for leverage was started by the NFL as soon as they opted out of the last CBA. There is no rational argument to the contrary.

  74. navis97 says: May 13, 2011 6:51 PM

    gay

  75. ftcsubs says: May 13, 2011 6:53 PM

    Who is this DeMaurice Smith? you mean the NFLPA Rep that no longer exist. the NFL ought to put an end to this Charade. how can the players have it both ways. this farse that they dont want to have a union is stupid. I think the NFL ought ot call thier bluff and shut down operations. two can play the BS game of chicken.

  76. zaggs says: May 13, 2011 6:55 PM

    “Not because we wanted to, because they made us do it.”.

    They “made” you do it? By offering you a CBA that they gave ground on?

  77. slice60 says: May 13, 2011 6:56 PM

    I’m amazed at how many fans are saying “screw these players, we don’t need these guys”. Really??? You’re going to love the Patriots just as much if some UFL or Arena guy is playing instead of Tom Brady???

    As for me, I pay to see the talented PLAYERS & couldn’t care less who OWNS the team. I gladly spend good money to see Peyton Manning play QB for the Colts. It’s painful to watch Curtis Painter attempt to take his place. I can’t imagine how bad it would be if the current NFL players are replaced by UFL & Arena players– the Colts owner wouldn’t get my money anymore, that’s for sure.

  78. sguy2130 says: May 13, 2011 6:57 PM

    euroamericans says:May 13, 2011 5:44 PM

    Does Deliar actually think fans are that ignorant?
    ———————————————————

    Yes, he has the gullible players who are closer to the situation fooled, why not assume fans also have IQ’s < 80 and will believe any propaganda he is pushing.

    He has personally alienated everyone and it doesn't look like we will be seeing professional football on Sundays anytime soon.

  79. FinFan68 says: May 13, 2011 7:01 PM

    When was the last time this guy said anything that wasn’t derogatory, self-aggrandizing BS, or an outright lie? If you want to find the simplist answer as to why we are where we are in this mess, you need look no further than D. Smith and his unprofessional demeanor and commentary. But for him, there may have been a deal months ago.

  80. t1mmy10 says: May 13, 2011 7:14 PM

    @ slice

    so I take it you hate college football or hs football? or can you explain why other sports with athletes just as talented as manning aren’t as popular as the nfl? its cuz of the MARKETING the owners have done and the brand names they have built and the sport they have crafted with their rule changes. it has very little to do with the players.

  81. dasmol says: May 13, 2011 7:14 PM

    Of course they just want to play football. Working a real job for a real wage can suck. Just ask the people that work at the stadiums.

  82. bucfandango says: May 13, 2011 7:18 PM

    De Smith went to the mattress. The kind lady judge stroked him gently as he lay on his back. The 3 appellate Judges rolled him over stuck it in. 5 Supreme Court Justices will break it off in him, and he will never be heard from again. De, your 15 minutes is just about up. So here’s to you, suckin my @#$%.

  83. dantemania says: May 13, 2011 7:21 PM

    Its funny every piling on the players lawyer.THE OWNERS OPTED OUT. TWO YEARS AGO now Godell says lets negotiate. You’ve had more than two years to figure this out. I REPEAT THE OWNERS OPTED OUT not the players DUH!!!!!!!!!!

  84. snowpea84 says: May 13, 2011 7:21 PM

    What part of this is hard to understand. Cutting into the revenues of the teams is not just cutting into profits. It’s cutting down the margin they have to use for investment. The very type of investment and risks that have made the NFL what it is.
    The owners use revenues for the betterment of the league, and it works.
    The players want more money for gold chains and houses. The teams want more money so they can take risks and make the league better.
    That’s what I see happening at least.

  85. commandercornpone says: May 13, 2011 7:22 PM

    50-50? go back to pre 2006. the employees dont get all the $, and they are just employees. and can be replaced. employees arent paying half the bills and are therefore not partners.

  86. nnagi says: May 13, 2011 7:36 PM

    upon further review, who the hell cares what deliar smith has to say, the nflpa decertified (essentially quit, deliar was the head of the now defunct nflpa, he is now irrelevant…the players need to understand that when they decided to decertify, they gave up their right to collective bargaining…also, why the hell wouldn’t the owners want a pro-owner deal, the players want a pro-player deal, but they’re not partners, they’re hired help…

  87. bigbigodnarb says: May 13, 2011 7:38 PM

    That deadspin article was right. These pro-owner commenters are really f’n stupid.

  88. buffaloniner says: May 13, 2011 7:40 PM

    This guy is pathetic. What he claims to be doing for the players is going to lead to the inevitable downfall of the whole league, players included. Where’s the money going to be when nobody wants to watch to watch the game anymore hmm? is that miniscule amount in the players already massive checks really worth this disgusting display that has been going on?? As for the owners, give up the leverage BS and just give the children what they want. stick with the CURRENT CBA. Were you really hurting with the billions you were raking in… yeeeeaaa… no. I don’t think so. Both sides are just making asses of themselves, and it’s going to come back and bite them. What a joke. Thanks for killing the sport we love.

    I urge all other football fans to take a stand and stop giving these guys your attention. I love football too but I’m fed up! I’m not watching anymore or allowing them to make another dime off me. WE pay their outrageous salaries. WE can take them away! Show these money mongers you’re not going to put up with this and teach them what it’s like to live on a REAL salary!

  89. panchosmith says: May 13, 2011 7:56 PM

    On March 16, 2009, when the NFLPA elected DeMaurice Smith—a former trial lawyer and litigation partner of a high power Washington D.C. law firm—as their executive director (instead of a football guy) there was no doubt that the players were opting to attempt to litigate instead of negotiate.

    Smith was the player’s hammer, and when the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

    Smith promptly saw nails everywhere he looked. He wasn’t trained to negotiate win-win agreements in good faith, he was trained to pound nails into the coffins of his opponents and bury them in front of sympathetic judges and juries.

    And not unexpectedly, that’s exactly what he set out to do.

    Arguing about money is one thing. Trying to destroy the elements of the game fans love—the draft, free agency, and the parity that gives fans of small market franchises hope is unforgivable.

    The plaintiffs who authorized Smith to try to wreck the very system that made them rich and famous will be forever tarnished for their foolishness if they screw up the structure of the best professional sport in the world.

  90. footballfan292 says: May 13, 2011 7:58 PM

    What’s with all the pro-owner propaganda in these comments?

    Goodell got booed every time he went to the podium during the draft. Pretty obvious the majority of fans are not pro-owner. They may not be pro-player either. Fans just want football. But these comments in here saying the fans are with the owners are full of crap. That’s complete bullcrap.

    I dont care if Jerry Jones or Dan Snyder makes less money next year. That’s not my problem. I truely don’t give a damn. So why would I be on their side?
    But I’ll tell you what, with the way this whole process makes most fans sick to their stomachs, don’t be surprised if that $9 billion pie they are fighting over begins to shrink. And then both sides end up with no gain in the end. Apparently neither side has ever heard of Aesop’s fable of the golden goose.

  91. nineroutsider says: May 13, 2011 8:04 PM

    @baronvonmonocle says:

    I understand going to the mat. I think going to the mattresses means something very, very different.
    ——————————————————
    Your right, but this is the way the NFL and the NFLPA actually negotiate.

    Goodell takes DeMo out to a nice restaurant and then takes him back to the house. He eventually gets him on the mattress and they do their thing. The issue is that Goodell hasn’t been able to ‘finish’, hence the lockout. He runs into the bathroom, extremely upset, and locks DeMo out.

  92. yajas says: May 13, 2011 8:09 PM

    I hate to tip my hand on who I favor in this battle, but I hope when it’s all over the players’ reps can be heard sheepishly saying ‘You are’ every time a voice from behind them yells ‘Who’s your owner? Who’s your owner?”.

    (But that’s not meant for the vast majority of players that have kept their mouth shut while the business side gets work out. That’s for De Smith and the few vocal players that like to claim they’re “slaves”.)

  93. kramelttil says: May 13, 2011 8:15 PM

    Hate to disagree with the players but I do….. What other entity in the whole world do the workers get to bargain for billions of dollars, make their employers show them how much money they make, etc…etc… Go do something else for a living…if you can. Owners bought/started these teams because they wanted to make money, just like my boss did. The players are well paid so no sympathy here. I dont really care that injury can end their career tomorrow…thats the chance you take for choosing to play a game instead of becoming a doctor/ accountant/welder or whatever. We as fans should be mad as hell at the players for not giving a little. lord knows they got a sweetheart deal in the last negotiation. I know they think the fans will come back when its said and done, and they will, but dammit the greed is ridiculous. Owners want to make money or else they would’ve bought a friekin lemon aid stand.

  94. prmpft says: May 13, 2011 8:15 PM

    …how can anyone in the WORLD believe what this guy says???

  95. bensstinkyfingers says: May 13, 2011 8:17 PM

    It’s way too obvious that DeeMoron is loving this spotlight. I guarantee he will do his part to make sure this drags out until a week or two before the pre-season is to start, just to keep him relevant. Until this D-bag is gone or the players put pressure on him to get a deal done we will not have football. As for the mattress, I hope his Inflatable Shamiqua doll pops a hole tonight and flys off his mattress.

  96. jtfris says: May 13, 2011 8:20 PM

    This is typical rhetoric. The players (aka the lawyer agents and reps that tell the players what to think) are the ones that took this out of a negotiation and put it into the courts. They are the ones at fault for not continuing to negotiate.

    I hope they get locked out for two years and experience real financial hardship. College football will be just fine while I wait.

  97. btownbucfan says: May 13, 2011 8:26 PM

    I know it was you, Rodger. You broke my heart. You broke my heart!

    I make him an offer he don’ refuse. Don’ worry

  98. voyager6 says: May 13, 2011 8:38 PM

    DeMaurice Smith won’t let up until the players get more than the old CBA. That is why they want financial data. They don’t want proof the owners are losing money, they are looking for more money to claim for the players or to file further lawsuits over.

    . When this is over, the players will wind up with 75 percent of the gross and a 2 billion dollar penalty over the TV rights and the NFL will downsize to 10 teams.

  99. buffaloniner says: May 13, 2011 8:42 PM

    This guy is pathetic. What he claims to be doing for the players is going to lead to the inevitable downfall of the whole league, players included. Where’s the money going to be when nobody wants to watch to watch the game anymore hmm? is that miniscule amount in the players already massive checks really worth this disgusting display that has been going on?? As for the owners, give up the leverage BS and just give the children what they want. stick with the CURRENT CBA. Were you really hurting with the billions you were raking in… yeeeeaaa… no. I don’t think so. Both sides are just making asses of themselves, and it’s going to come back and bite them. What a joke. Thanks for killing the sport we love.

    I urge all other football fans to take a stand and stop giving these guys your attention. I love football too but I’m fed up! I’m not watching anymore or allowing them to make another dime off me. WE pay their outrageous salaries. WE can take them away! Show these money mongers you’re not going to put up with this and teach them what it’s like to live on a REAL salary!

  100. possiblecabbage says: May 13, 2011 8:43 PM

    Really? The players were “forced” to use a negotiating tactic designed to generate maximum leverage because of something the owners would do? In retrospect, I bet the owners wish they hadn’t had forced the players to do that thing that gives the players leverage.

    It’s too bad the owners didn’t give the players the option of, you know, staying at the negotiating table and getting a CBA done. That would have been the best option for everybody, but I guess those mean nasty owners didn’t think so.

  101. vahawker says: May 13, 2011 8:57 PM

    ***sigh***

  102. robertallen1958 says: May 13, 2011 9:18 PM

    i am getting sick of you pro owner people bying up all their propaganda as truth, truth, the players have been trying to get this done for 3 years, truth, t.v. contracts structured in a way that these broadcasting companies would still have to pay them, truth, the owners had a scheduled negotiation they didn’t show up for, let the players know 1/2 hour later that the owners went to dinner. truth, treated payton manning and drew brees like children at the negotiation, truth, jerry jones and jerry richardson acting like football overlords, truth, the overall lack of “true” negotiation, truth, the owners last deal thrown at them at the last minute with the “take this or else attitude” and i would be surprised if and 2 of you pro owner people even knew what was in that last contract that the players walked away from, your just buying it cause their saying it. i wouldn’t want to be treated like the players were treated either, something else you can buy into, these players are just as important as the owners and yes they come and go, but like horse racing, more time than not whos more part of the race? and you dont get a race horse of the farm either, yep i am pro player and a union worker and i hope the players squeeze every cent out of these owners, and about opening their books and “not being profitable” seems like the owners have millions for new stadiums, with us the tax payer putting up the rest, so see the owners are screwing you to!

  103. whathappenedtovox says: May 13, 2011 9:21 PM

    Like him or not, Smith is strategically SMOKING the owners. The man is doing his job and doing it well.

  104. jleimer says: May 13, 2011 9:39 PM

    Demaurice Smith is to what Donald Fehr was for baseball in the 90′s someone who wants to kill the most popular sport in the world and to me if we had a more level headed guy like a Troy Vincent leading the PA or whatever they are called then we probably would not have this course in legal 101, but since they got a hotshot in we are and we should at this rate be getting college credit for learning about this legal jargon.

  105. lostsok says: May 13, 2011 9:40 PM

    “What’s with all the pro-owner propaganda in these comments?”

    Judging from the general lack of grammar skills, remedial (to be kind) logical prowess, and overall dearth of common sense…I’d suggest it’s skewed due to a predominantly Fox News friendly demographic.

    But that’s just a guess.

  106. mrjumpman23 says: May 13, 2011 9:55 PM

    It funny how the posts on this site in favor of the players, gets thumbs down… You people are funny, everybody should know that the owners are the greedy party within this situation. The players just want what they feel they deserve. If I’m not mistaken, it was the owners that walked away from the negotiating table. The owners must have all you idiots brainwashed, the players are the product, fans support the players and the team, not the owners. What are the owners trying to hide???? If everything is what they say it is, then produce the financial records, thats just basic principals of conducting business.

  107. nfl fan says: May 13, 2011 10:05 PM

    DeMaurice Smith – you need to be fired. You offer no value, no solutions, and your comments demonstrate that you can’t be taken seriously.

  108. 2011to2020lions says: May 13, 2011 10:10 PM

    Mike Tyson got his face out after eating an ear, now De Smith is doing it by eating the fans ears

  109. vahawker says: May 13, 2011 10:35 PM

    robertallen…the players have been trying to get this done for a an entire year BEFORE they signed the last CBA TWO years ago?!! Interesting truth you have there.

    TRUTH..the PLAYERS walked away from the table without EVER making a counter offer. TRUTH that ain’t negotiating.

    TRUTH- this likely would not be where it is if they selected a former player or anyone with NFL ties who cared about the game and not self promotion like Dee da Dee.

  110. geo1113 says: May 13, 2011 10:37 PM

    “If I’m not mistaken, it was the owners that walked away from the negotiating table.”
    ________________________

    You are mistaken. It was the players who walked away and decertified.

  111. wigwam101 says: May 13, 2011 10:41 PM

    Arguing about money is one thing. Trying to destroy the elements of the game fans love—the draft, free agency, and the parity that gives fans of small market franchises hope is unforgivable.

    The plaintiffs who authorized Smith to try to wreck the very system that made them rich and famous will be forever tarnished for their foolishness if they screw up the structure of the best professional sport in the world.

    Amen.

  112. GG Eden says: May 13, 2011 10:47 PM

    They’ll make a movie about all this in the near future.

    Denzel Washington as DeMaurice Smith.
    Ben Affleck as Roger Goodell.
    Merryl Streep as Judge Nelson.
    and Topher Grace as Mike F.

  113. bsandcs says: May 13, 2011 11:12 PM

    mrjumpman23 says:
    May 13, 2011 9:55 PM
    If I’m not mistaken, it was the owners that walked away from the negotiating table.

    ——————————————————-
    ummm have you been following this but AT ALL? you are very much mistaken. De Smith and co walked away, decertified and fired off a lawsuit several hours before the imposed deadline even arrived and left a perfectly appropriate offer sitting on the table.

  114. grs27 says: May 13, 2011 11:25 PM

    mrjumpman23 says: May 13, 2011 9:55 PM

    “The owners must have all you idiots brainwashed, the players are the product, fans support the players and the team, not the owners. What are the owners trying to hide???? If everything is what they say it is, then produce the financial records, thats just basic principals of conducting business”.
    ————————————————————-
    I don’t think many players in the NFL have ever had to work or live in the world the rest of us live in. I’m not brainwashed, i just know that the owner of a company takes all the risk. An unproven rookie gets millions of dollars before he has done ANYTHING on the field? That does not happen in my world. If I demanded to see the private financial records of my company (to ensure I was maximizing my pay), I would get laughed at then fired.

  115. vahawker says: May 13, 2011 11:26 PM

    They’ll make a movie about all this in the near future.

    Denzel Washington as DeMaurice Smith.
    Ben Affleck as Roger Goodell.
    Merryl Streep as Judge Nelson.
    and Topher Grace as Mike F.

    ********************************************

    Rerun from what’s happening for Dee da Dee
    Robin Williams for Goodell
    Betty White for Judge Nelson
    Love Topher Grace as Mike F.

  116. dcbronco says: May 13, 2011 11:39 PM

    A lot of people think of football fans as big idiots. Then football fans post comments and prove them right. A federal judge has actually deemed that the NFL has violated the law. If people want to deny reality. I guess this is really the Matrix.

  117. imjinbrdgr says: May 13, 2011 11:54 PM

    LISTEN UP PEOPLE

    NEWS FLASH

    THE OWNERS LIE (THAT’S RIGHT LIE) ABOUT THEIR MONEY!!! That’s how they got to be billionaires.

    In 1984 they presented a set of books to the players and a judge ruled that these books were a joke and could not be believed. So the next week they presented another set of books.

    If that doesn’t tell you what kind of people we are dealing with here then you are just naive. THEY ARE BILLIONAIRES they didn’t get that way by being a bunch of fair minded business men who got lucky. Go rent THERE WILL BE BLOOD That’s how Billionaires are made.

    The players put their bodies and long term health at risk so us fans can sit in our living room or bar and get buzzed up and pretend that we have the stones to do what they do. This is not your average business and should not be treated that way. They deserve all they are asking for and more.

  118. chicanofire says: May 14, 2011 12:04 AM

    What is wrong with you people?! Why is it so hard to understand that this business is a partnership? Which one of you would just give your business partner more money than originally agreed upon, just based on his “word” that he is losing money? Anyone who says they would is lying.
    And don’t forget that it is the owners that locked out the players. They would have played under the old contract for another year but the owners were bent on getting more money. So lets not forget that. Lets quit all the whining or at the very least stop blaming the players and Smith for wanting to make an educated decision.
    Seriously though, $9 billion to split with $1 billion off the top already and someone is losing money?!?! What a joke.

  119. petedutcher says: May 14, 2011 1:05 AM

    “We went to the mattresses the day that we decertified,” Smith told WFAN’s Boomer & Carton, via CBSLocal.com. “Not because we wanted to, because they made us do it.”

    I call CROCK!

    The players did it in the hopes of blocking a lockout and gaining an advantage. It didn’t work, so now they are crying over it.

    “Right now they don’t want to lay down and be forced to take a deal.

    Oh please, you freak. The majorit of the players want a deal done. It’s just the top teir guys that are holding the NFL and the rest of the players hostage. I say fire them all and get the season going again.

  120. CKL says: May 14, 2011 2:05 AM

    lostsok says:
    May 13, 2011 9:40 PM
    “What’s with all the pro-owner propaganda in these comments?”

    Judging from the general lack of grammar skills, remedial (to be kind) logical prowess, and overall dearth of common sense…I’d suggest it’s skewed due to a predominantly Fox News friendly demographic.

    But that’s just a guess.
    –––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––
    Just curious-what does it make someone if they bring politics into the equation out of nowhere while also being insufferably patronizing?

    I believe that probably most players likely do just want to get back to the sport they love but there are some fellows who are enjoying themselves and slacking too.
    De Smith rubs me the wrong way (to put it mildly, and so does Goodell so put away your shrill and never ending whining about owner shills) but the smartest thing he could do is try to clamp down on some of the nutty things the players are saying that fly in the face of his rhetoric and stated purposes. Then again, he’s not exactly the king of communicating well himself. He sounds, for all the world, like one of those 2 am commercials with lawyers who shriek about, “IF YOU HAVE (insert random and obscure and highly questionable “disease” here) PLEASE CALL US NOW. THOSE SCUMFRAUD DOCTORS AND EMPLOYERS WHO EXPOSED YOU TO (pinkie toe rot or the equivalent)WILL NOT TAKE YOU FOR A RIDE WITH US ON THE CASE!!! CALL NOW!!!!”

  121. sasquash20 says: May 14, 2011 2:59 AM

    Why isn’t there a profightingtalk.com? I mean you could have boxing and MMA talk on there. Its cooler then the lame ass Irishtalk.com. The Irish suck it for gods sake. I do get NBC and the Irish, but please for the love of god. For real they have Progolftalk.who cares its not even sports. I know this isn’t the topic but I don’t give a F$$$.

  122. panchosmith says: May 14, 2011 6:59 AM

    “…i would be surprised if and 2 of you pro owner people even knew what was in that last contract that the players walked away from…”
    —robertallen1958”

    In addition to five years of independently audited financial statements, the owners last offer to the NFLPA included:

    1. More than split the economic difference between the two sides, increasing the proposed cap for 2011 significantly and accepting the Union’s proposed cap number for 2014 ($161 million per club).

    2. An entry level compensation system based on the Union’s “rookie cap” proposal, rather than the wage scale proposed by the clubs. Under the NFL proposal, players drafted in rounds 2-7 would be paid the same or more than they are paid today. Savings from the first round would be reallocated to veteran players and benefits.

    3. A guarantee of up to $1 million of a player’s salary for the contract year after his injury – the first time that the clubs have offered a standard multi-year injury guarantee.

    4. Immediate implementation of changes to promote player health and safety by:

    a. Reducing the off-season program by five weeks, reducing OTAs from 14 to 10, and limiting on-field practice time and contact;

    b. Limiting full-contact practices in the preseason and regular season; and

    c. Increasing number of days off for players.

    5. Commit that any change to an 18-game season will be made only by agreement and that the 2011 and 2012 seasons will be played under the current 16-game format.

    6. Owner funding of $82 million in 2011-12 to support additional benefits to former players, which would increase retirement benefits for more than 2000 former players by nearly 60 percent.

    7. Offer current players the opportunity to remain in the player medical plan for life.

    8. Third party arbitration for appeals in the drug and steroid programs.

    9. Improvements in the Mackey plan, disability plan, and degree completion bonus program.

    10. A per-club cash minimum spend of 90 percent of the salary cap over three seasons.

    Seems like a pretty good basis for the NFLPA to agree to another federally mediated talk extension and keep negotiating to me. But DeMaurice Smith never had any intention of negotiating in the first place.

  123. childressrulz says: May 14, 2011 7:49 AM

    lostsok says: May 13, 2011 9:40 PM

    “What’s with all the pro-owner propaganda in these comments?”

    Judging from the general lack of grammar skills, remedial (to be kind) logical prowess, and overall dearth of common sense…I’d suggest it’s skewed due to a predominantly Fox News friendly demographic.

    But that’s just a guess.
    _________________________
    Best comment I have read in the last week on this site.

  124. childressrulz says: May 14, 2011 8:00 AM

    vahawker says: May 13, 2011 10:35 PM

    robertallen…the players have been trying to get this done for a an entire year BEFORE they signed the last CBA TWO years ago?!! Interesting truth you have there.

    TRUTH..the PLAYERS walked away from the table without EVER making a counter offer. TRUTH that ain’t negotiating.

    TRUTH- this likely would not be where it is if they selected a former player or anyone with NFL ties who cared about the game and not self promotion like Dee da Dee.
    _______________________________
    Typing TRUTH in front of something does not make it the truth (Glen Beck). It only serves to point out how stupid you truly are. For your own sake stop using “ain’t.” Using the word aint just confirms my earlier assessment of your intelligence.

    Now for people who follow real news the owners voted out of the current agreement. Tell me why the players should be expected to negotiate? I guess thay are just suppose to take their bosses word for it that the NFL is trending downward and take a pay-cut because our bosses would never lie to us. Right. Here is a good tip that you can write down. The higher a person’s net worth the better the chance they are not honest, trustworthy, or hardworking and are most likely terrible people willing to sell their mother for 5 bucks.

  125. richm2256 says: May 14, 2011 8:42 AM

    And people are talking to De Smith because….?????

    Last I heard, he was head of a union that no longer exists, right? So why do the owners need to talk with him ?

    This man is far worse and much more dangerous than Donald Fehr ever was, and is going to dramatically change the face of not only the NFL, but ALL major sports, before this is over. He will become the most despised man in sports history within ten years, if he is successful in litigating with the owners.

    De Smith orchestrated the walkout while negotiations were making progress, It is clear that he never intended for the players to agree with the owners; it is clear he intended to pursue massive change through the courts. He has sold some very intelligent players a bill of goods; if he is successful, he will hurt far more players than he will help, and set precedents that the NBA, NHL, and MLB will have no choice but to follow.

    Does he REALLY think the fans have somehow forgotten how we got here today?

  126. seabreezes51 says: May 14, 2011 8:44 AM

    Tessio was always the smarter one.

  127. Scott says: May 14, 2011 9:00 AM

    The owners are far from innocent in this locout fiasco, but the players are the ones who hired DeSmith, and he is the one antagonizing an already intense situation.

    Bottom line, the owners OWN the teams. They are in it to make money…it is a business venture. They made an agreement with their employees with the right to end that agreement if they felt it was not working for them. They did that. The player (or employees) had a union that allowed them to collectively bargain their rights. The owners chose to end the aggreement with the union (the right which had been agreed to by the players union). Now, the players DO NOT have a union and therefore CANNOT collectively bargain. But DeSmith who represents a union that doesn’t exist, still insists that the players were FORCED to decertify.

    How many “regular guys” out there think the players do not make enough money? I can see them fighting for the best pension or health benefits after they retire, but to argue for more money. And you pro-player advocates say the owners are greedy? At least the owners greed is transparent. They are in business to make money. What is the players excuse? They want more money because they are who we “regular guys” pay to see? Please. As soon as Peyton Manning is gone, someone else “BETTER” will show up. As soon as Tom Brady retires, someone better will take his place (hey Pats fans, it might take 15 years…just ask us Fin fans), but someone will enter the league and be just as good or better.

    This league is exciting becasue the players, yes. But there will always be more players. YOU HEAR ME PLAYERS? YOU ARE REPLACEABLE.

  128. jedicookie says: May 14, 2011 9:02 AM

    DeMo Smith is typical scum.

  129. BernardPollardIsAnAss says: May 14, 2011 9:03 AM

    Really? God Father references? How much more of a clown could this guy be? What a tool. He gives all us lawyers a bad name.

  130. panther17 says: May 14, 2011 9:15 AM

    This guy has more crap coming out his mouth then his rear end. He needs to get that checked.

  131. chapnastier says: May 14, 2011 9:17 AM

    @ childz

    Sorry if one or two pro-owner (the vast majority) comments have a grammatical error. I guess when 95% of the comments are pro-owner you are sure to find a mistake here and there. I think you are one of those trolls who probably isn’t too bright and uses Firefox as a web browser which spellchecks everything. If cutting down others instead of using facts makes you feel good. Then have at it chief.

  132. stuartscottslefteye says: May 14, 2011 9:22 AM

    I blame Paul Tagliabue for this fiasco. He was a little too chummy-chummy with Gene Upshaw. He wanted to go out with a bang. You really can’t blame the owners for such a screwed up deal, and yet, the players – just like anybody else – don’t want anything taken away. I can’t think of any other business where the employees get such a high percentage of the gross.

    Not to mention the numerous empty seats in Jacksonville and the Browns leaving as a result of a screwed up expansion under Tagliabue.

  133. virusgvr says: May 14, 2011 9:43 AM

    I 100% agree with sasquah20!!! Why not have pro Wisconsin Badger talk or Pro Buckeye talk or better yet Pro Cricket Talk. At least that is a different sport!!! I get that NBC and the Irish are in cahoots with each other, but it’s just a lame topic period.

  134. GG Eden says: May 14, 2011 9:52 AM

    vahawker says: May 13, 2011 11:26 PM

    Rerun from what’s happening for Dee da Dee
    Robin Williams for Goodell
    Betty White for Judge Nelson
    Love Topher Grace as Mike F.

    ********************************************

    Yeah, Topher is spot on lol.

    I’m open to the better choices for the other roles.

    I dunno about Robin Williams tho, Goodell isn’t that funny, a bit unlikeable gung-ho preppy, why I was thinking Affleck.

  135. yajas says: May 14, 2011 10:42 AM

    robertallen1958 says:
    May 13, 2011 9:18 PM
    “i am getting sick of you pro owner people ……”

    I realize that in a forum like this there are bound to be typos and grammatical problems. But when you try to argue your case by stringing together a few hundred words with no discernible sentence structure and terrible grammar, you’re not going to win anyone over. Did you know that sentences start with a capital letter? If you don’t want to make the effort to write something coherent, why should I make the additional effort it takes to try to decipher your post.

    I gave up half way through your post and had trouble following the first half anyway. So if you think you had a valid point in there, please repost in a readable format. I really do like to hear viewpoints contrary to mine but first I have to be able to read them.

  136. palinforpresidentofnorthkorea says: May 14, 2011 11:00 AM

    @ childz:
    The Players agreed to the opt-out clause in the last CBA.

    Maybe you forgot or are too dumb to understand.

  137. viguy007 says: May 14, 2011 11:09 AM

    The way to end the Lockout today is to have some person who is truly being being unrepairable harmed to request it. The Players have said the lack of training camps is doing this, but the owners point to someone like Reggie Bush and say this is not so. And so the stay on the injunction which would end the lockout continues. But there is one perfect person who everybody agrees is being unrepairable harmed, and meets the criteria to end the Lockout today. That perfect person to end this lockout would be an undrafted free agent from this years draft class. There is no doubt this lockout is doing unrepairable harm to them. This is the only thing the Judges need to lift the stay on the injunction, and end the lockout. These prospective players can not even contact teams, to see if they have a chance to become a professional NFL football player.This person would not even have to be a good player, maybe they don’t stand a snowball’s chance in hell, but they are being harmed because they will never know. Any players out there hear me, please.

  138. nmeagle33 says: May 14, 2011 12:09 PM

    I am tired of this guy Smith. It appears he wants the NFL in a catch 22 where they can then slam a anti whatever again them.

    I am wondering what this guy got against football. Has he been rejected because he couldn’t play well enough? because he is too small? Why does he want to destroy our game of football?

  139. sneaky1632 says: May 14, 2011 3:18 PM

    Did they make you give $11 million to the former head of the unions widow too?

  140. vahawker says: May 15, 2011 8:06 AM

    tommyf15…nice cut and paste from previous topics. You got that on your desktop for quick access. You were wrong last time and you are still wrong

    Players walked away withouy a counter offer. are at fault.

  141. bcgreg says: May 15, 2011 6:33 PM

    “Going to the mattresses”

    It’s a mafia term for when inter family gang war is about to occur. It was made popular in the Godfather movie (of course!).

    So D Smith is comparing the lockout to a mafia gang war…nice.

    What a moron!

    This is more like Rock’em Sock’em Robots only MY head is gonna pop off!

  142. bcgreg says: May 15, 2011 6:38 PM

    @ vahawker

    The players didn’t make a counter offer because they don’t want the “current” cba to change. Their counter offer is to keep the cba as is. That’s why this is not a strike but a lockout.

    The decertification is a sham, but the players don’t want anything to change. The owners do.

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