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Vikings stadium situation gets more complex

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On Tuesday, Ramsey County and Vikings officials, drunk on champagne from a bottle that had not yet been uncorked, celebrated the news of the deal to build a new NFL stadium in Arden Hills.

The hangover has begun.

On Thursday, St. Paul mayor Chris Coleman said that it would be unfair for Ramsey County (in which St. Paul is located) to bear a local burden for hosting the stadium, given that citizens throughout Minnesota watch and enjoy the Vikings.  Also on Thursday, it became clear that folks in Minneapolis aren’t ready to wave the same white flag the Vikings could have used the last time the Packers came to town.

According to the Minneapolis Star Tribune, Senator Julie Rosen said the team asked her whether the project could obtain tentative approval from the Minnesota Legislature without details like, say, a location.  Previously, it appeared that the Vikings needed a specific local partner in order to push the bill through the Legislature.  That dynamic likely contributed to the selection of Arden Hills.

But with Minneapolis still holding out hope and with Coleman cool to the proposal, the Vikings seem to at least be interested in possibly resorting to the prior plan to get approval from the state before nailing down a specific location.

And it appears that the state-level politicians are pushing for Minneapolis, given the state’s claims that at least $175 million would be needed to improve roads at the Ramsey County site.  Vikings exec Lester Bagley said the contention, echoed by Governor Mark Dayton, “doesn’t pass the smell test,” which probably isn’t the best way to keep Dayton in the pro-stadium camp.

“Twenty thousand cars added to the road system on Sunday [for a game] costs $175 million? It’s easy to kill stuff, particularly on stadiums, [but] I’m not casting aspersions,” Bagley said.

Still, he’s not casting confetti, either, even though Tuesday’s press conference seemed to presume that the stadium would indeed be built in Arden Hills.  The situation is far more complex than that, and only 10 days remain before the last legislative session before the expiration of the team’s lease at the Metrodome ends.

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  1. dogsweat1 says: May 13, 2011 2:40 PM

    This thing is a long way from being official.

    Majority of Minnesomalia residents don’t want to pay for this venue—-for another 20 years of football failure.

  2. jaggedmark says: May 13, 2011 2:42 PM

    Californy is the place you ought to be” So they loaded up the truck and moved to Beverly……Hills that is……..swimming pools…….movie stars……..lots o cash…….huge television market.

  3. getyourpopcorn says: May 13, 2011 2:43 PM

    Wow this is getting intense… May there really be no Vikings in Minnesota anymore?

  4. kernelreefer says: May 13, 2011 2:45 PM

    It is absurd how correct Lester Bagley is on this point – $175 Million dollars? That’s not even how much a lot of the 35W construction expansion is NOW in the middle of Minneapolis, much less Sunday gameday traffic in a first-ring suburb.

    Particularly because the state promised Arden Hills residents these sorts of road improvements over a decade ago.

    Also, where does Chris Coleman thinks he gets off? Benefits exist at both a local and state level – which means that locals get double benefits as they are not excluded from taking advantage of the statewide benefits. When stadiums are announced, property values in surrounding neighborhoods rise up to 10%, regardless of whether or not the stadium is suburban or in the MSA. If you get a greater benefit, it stands to reason you bear a greater price.

    Of course, none of this matters as most of the comments will be about whether or not it’s ok for taxpayers to subsidize a stadium that billionaires pay millionaires to play in.

  5. thephantomstranger says: May 13, 2011 2:45 PM

    It’s going to happen. One way or another, it’s going to happen. It will probably be in Minneapolis. By the way, the governor has said that he’ll call a special session if this isn’t finalized by the end of the regular session, so relax.

  6. sterling7 says: May 13, 2011 2:52 PM

    Details, details, sounds to me like several people are waiting to get their palms greased (bribes)?

  7. stellarperformance says: May 13, 2011 2:56 PM

    Oh oh….this is shaping up to be emblematic of the Vikings and their fans in general…all hat…no cattle.

  8. mvp43 says: May 13, 2011 3:01 PM

    I think it will happen as well, but the state is trying to force the Wilf’s to pony up more of their own money to seal the deal….

  9. Gordon says: May 13, 2011 3:02 PM

    I don’t feel bad for the Vikings. If you’re gonna ask taxpayers to foot roughly 2/3 of the cost for a stadium, it shouldn’t be a walk in the park. The politicians should squeeze every last dime out of the team before committing taxpayer dollars to fund a project that’s primarily private.

  10. schemefactory says: May 13, 2011 3:03 PM

    ha! white flag! classic.

  11. gregjennings85 says: May 13, 2011 3:04 PM

    Pun intended?

  12. hobartbaker says: May 13, 2011 3:10 PM

    That’s why those facilities are called “Complexes”. It isn’t simple getting them built.

  13. jakek2 says: May 13, 2011 3:12 PM

    Is there any reason why they couldn’t just add a few seats to the Gophers new stadium and install field turf?

  14. gergie1957 says: May 13, 2011 3:14 PM

    I was talking to my local Congressman and asked what was holding up getting a stadium from being built. He said the Twins worked with the MN Congress 10 years to hammer out a ball park deal. He made it sound like the Vikings had not put in enough suck up time. I asked him why it should take so long being that every Professional Ball park built in Minnesota has been a money maker for the Team and State. And I guess I’m still waiting for an answer.

    And for all you packer fans hoping and praying the Vikings will move to LA, fear is something you will have learn to live with, because the Vikings aren’t going anywhere.

  15. ilovefoolsball says: May 13, 2011 3:15 PM

    Where is Pervy? Must still be drunk on that cheap champagne. Ah well, at least he doesn’t have a job to be late for.

    LOS ANGELES VIKINGOS!

  16. btg1911 says: May 13, 2011 3:19 PM

    getyourpopcorn says:
    May 13, 2011 2:43 PM
    Wow this is getting intense… May there really be no Vikings in Minnesota anymore?

    There are two locations bidding for the stadium That’s a good thing. But don’t let the facts get in the way of your sub-human wish for an area to lose their team.

  17. orangeflh says: May 13, 2011 3:23 PM

    As much as I hate the Vikings, I want them to stay put so that the Pack can continue to victimize them.

    And the next few years will be even more fun as the Vikings fall to the bottom of the NFC North, where the Pack is tops, the Lions are climbing fast, and the Bears are… well, I’m not sure exactly where the Bears stand… but they’re better than the Vikings.

  18. shaggytoodle says: May 13, 2011 3:29 PM

    Jerryworld has the big board.

    Maybe a new Minnesota stadium can have wheels for easy moving.

  19. btg1911 says: May 13, 2011 3:32 PM

    Fortunes tend to change awfully fast in the NFL. Anyone who says they know how team will perform year-to-year is delusional.

    The Vikings were horrible last year. They were terrific the year before.

    The Packers were horrible in 2008. They were very good in 2009. (In fact, I think they were better in 2009 than in 2010 eventhough they crashed out of the playoffs in 2009 and won it all in 2010. The playoff field was much better in 2009).

    The Bears were awful in 2009. They were very good, albiet pretty fortunate in 2010.

    The Lions need to prove it on the field. It’s always trendy to pick the Lions to improve.

    I will say that any team that has a young QB like Rodgers is 2 steps ahead, but there is a reason they play the games.

  20. bengals69 says: May 13, 2011 3:36 PM

    Which politician wants to be that guy who lost another sports franchise in Minnesota?
    NorthStars.
    Lakers.

    Now Vikes? Winters suck there as is….little to do. Lose the Vikes and people will look for someone to blame. You folks voted in Mark Dayton, notorious for mental conditions meriting meds, losing the Vikes proves he really is crazy.

    That guy won’t survive if the Vikes sail away.

    The deal will get done.

  21. SmackSaw says: May 13, 2011 3:43 PM

    Purple and gold looks good in L.A.

  22. btg1911 says: May 13, 2011 3:44 PM

    @bengals69

    “Winters suck there as is….little to do”

    Have you ever even been to the Twin Cities? Or have you just “heard” that there is nothing to do?

    People that live in MN do not like the winters, but cold winter does not = little to do.

  23. granadafan says: May 13, 2011 3:54 PM

    I’m an LA resident who would love to have an NFL team (U$C is a pro team already). That said, I would hate to have a team at the expense of another city’s fans. It’s clear the people of Minnesota love the team, but are being held hostage by another typical greedy owner. I find it completely absurd that corporations expect the public to foot the bill for their business, especially in today’s economy where we’re clawing out of a recession.

    Bravo to Minnesotans and stick to your guns against the greedy NFL.

  24. vadog says: May 13, 2011 3:55 PM

    I don’t mind smack talk between passionate fans of teams playing one another, but this vitriole spewed forth daily by people on this board towards the Vikings organization, their fans, the state of Minnesota, etc…is cruel and repugnant. I see no other organization held up to such ridicule on this site. I think some people who post such garbage must be so sad, lonely and depressed that the only way they can feel anything is if they hate on the Vikings! Well, there is hope for those people…it’s called Prozac and psycho therapy. I suggest getting help soon.

  25. btg1911 says: May 13, 2011 4:07 PM

    I challenge any of the mouth-breathing morons that openly wish and promote the Vikings or any other team leaving their home city/state to justify their position.

  26. hail2tharedskins says: May 13, 2011 4:09 PM

    I am starting to think that the press conference announcing the Arden Hills stadium site was nothing more than a PR stunt. The Ramsey Co. officials get their 15min of fame and the Vikings get cover if/when the legislature doesn’t approve the stadium bill which will lead to their relocation. It sure seems right now that the Vikings knew that they were not even close to solidifying a stadium deal, so why hold such a public press conference unless it was just a PR stunt to show its fans that hey we are doing every thing we can, but in reality you don’t make announcements like that until you are at least 90% certain its a go. Its looking more and more likely that the Vikings first order of business after the CBA is settled will be planning another press conference to announce their new stadium site, only this time it will be located in California not Minnesota. Off topic: wasn’t that an awful amateurish press conference?

  27. stavreafavre says: May 13, 2011 4:13 PM

    Vadog, obviously you don’t pay attention to the things that your fellow Minnesotans say about the Green Bay Packers, their fans, and the state of Wisconsin. Talk about sad, lonely, and depressed. Most of us on the right side of the river have come to actually feel a little bit sorry for those who hate us, our state, and our team. They are obviously very envious. But the ignorant always end up saying something stupid again, and the sympathy never gets a chance to turn into full forgiveness.

  28. scudbot says: May 13, 2011 4:14 PM

    Oh, come on. 50 years without a SB championship, the Favre anti-Packer circus, the Love Boat+, the Randy Moss fiasco, a team in disarray with a $multimillion slave or two, an intense rivalry, and you want Packers fans to let up and just get along? I’ll tell you what, if the Vikes do move to LA they’ll be moving again because LA doesn’t support pro football teams. Nope, they’ll be the Arden Hills Asshats.

  29. gobills716 says: May 13, 2011 4:20 PM

    please lord, let the Vikings move to LA before Ralph Wilson dies…please…please…PLEASE!!!

  30. ilovefoolsball says: May 13, 2011 4:21 PM

    The only reason the Vikings receive so much vitriol and hatred is because their fans say the most asinine ridiculous, insulting statements about everyone else.
    I know the organization cannot be held accountable for the stupid words that the fans proclaim but no one should expect much sympathy for those same fans when their team is in jeopardy of being lost.

    People like Pervy Harvin and Paulitik, Robert Ethen, Viking Princess are the types that the anger is directed at in these comments when expressing joy at the vikings being relocated.
    Being a Saints fan we’ve seen firsthand the kind of ignorance that has been directed towards us because of that NFCCG win where Favre pondered passing.
    The previously mentioned names are the types who would bring up Katrina jokes, and call this area a “cess pool” etc etc, in an attempt to be personally insulting and hurtful.
    I know there are a lot of stupid saints fans who have said some of the most ridiculously stupid things as well, so vikings fans by all means do not have a monopoly on idiocy.
    I just think that you can’t act like an ass all the time and expect that people will like you. If it doesn’t matter that people like you or not then don’t be upset when people act like they’re happy when your team is threatened.

    Vikings fans you’ve brought this upon yourself, if you’re mad at the world for not expressing sadness at all this stadium news maybe you need to clean up your own house before you start calling someone else’s dirty.

  31. cleonslamminsalmon says: May 13, 2011 4:21 PM

    Just let them leave. Nobody cares about the Vikes or their garbage fans.

  32. davikes says: May 13, 2011 4:34 PM

    Re: jakek2 says:
    May 13, 2011 3:12 PM
    Is there any reason why they couldn’t just add a few seats to the Gophers new stadium and install field turf?

    It would be the common sense thing to do, wouldn’t it? The Gophers stadium is already designed to add 30,000 seats by filling in the open end of the horseshoe. The problem is that the venue won’t make enough money for Zygi as compared to the Arden Hills location. The naming rights are sold already and there is no land to develop nearby. See my next post for more info.

  33. Deb says: May 13, 2011 4:45 PM

    @vadog …

    Seriously? Come hang around the Steelers threads sometime and feel the loathing.

    All the stuff being spewed at the Vikes is coming from Pack fans, and the Vikes give as good as they get. Green Bay and Minny fans only have eyes for each other. They’re quite an entertaining little group of mutual haters. Can’t imagine what one would do without the other. Life would lose its meaning ;)

  34. bigten08 says: May 13, 2011 4:55 PM

    The team isn’t going anywhere and they WILL be building a stadium in Arden Hills. There’s no doubt in my mind about that, but I expect the current deal to be hashed out & reworked so it’s more friendly for everyone involved.

    The team probably has to give up some power with the current plan and they could end up paying under 100 mill out of their own pockets after the PSL and NFL contribution (if there is one). Any NFL contribution should evenly come off the books for the Team & the County, not just the team.

    The State needs to take care of all road improvements that are completely outside the stadium site (35W, HW10, 694, etc). If the state did that & then covered the roof it would be plenty fair. They would end up paying 200 mill towards the actual project. Roads & infrastructure outside of the site as well as entrances should be on the state. The state already has at least 75 million in road projects planned.

    The .5% county tax is probably too much to ask of them. Lower that & add that 1-2 cent bottle/drink tax to all bars showing the games.

    Those things along with giving the state/county a little more power/control in the project wold make for a much more fair deal imo.

  35. btg1911 says: May 13, 2011 4:57 PM

    @ilovefoolsball

    You allow 3 or 4 annonymous posters to influence your opinion of an entire fanbase? That is the definition of myopic.

    Also, did you ever stop to think the ones that make the most outlandish a stupid comments likely aren’t even fans of the team the claim to support?

    Goodness, if you people use this site to form your opinion on all teams and fanbases, you really need to branch out.

  36. contra74 says: May 13, 2011 4:59 PM

    ilovefoolsball says:
    May 13, 2011 4:21 PM
    The only reason the Vikings receive so much vitriol and hatred is because their fans say the most asinine ridiculous, insulting statements about everyone else.
    I know the organization cannot be held accountable for the stupid words that the fans proclaim but no one should expect much sympathy for those same fans when their team is in jeopardy of being lost.

    People like Pervy Harvin and Paulitik, Robert Ethen, Viking Princess are the types that the anger is directed at in these comments when expressing joy at the vikings being relocated.
    Being a Saints fan we’ve seen firsthand the kind of ignorance that has been directed towards us because of that NFCCG win where Favre pondered passing.
    The previously mentioned names are the types who would bring up Katrina jokes, and call this area a “cess pool” etc etc, in an attempt to be personally insulting and hurtful.
    I know there are a lot of stupid saints fans who have said some of the most ridiculously stupid things as well, so vikings fans by all means do not have a monopoly on idiocy.
    I just think that you can’t act like an ass all the time and expect that people will like you. If it doesn’t matter that people like you or not then don’t be upset when people act like they’re happy when your team is threatened.

    Vikings fans you’ve brought this upon yourself, if you’re mad at the world for not expressing sadness at all this stadium news maybe you need to clean up your own house before you start calling someone else’s dirty.
    ———-
    If thats the case then why not be the bigger person and walk away. Packer fans are holier than most right? Just dont say anything, turn the other cheek and walk away. But wait – here you are adding fuel to the fire and being the exact mirror image of what you statement reflects. Ironic isnt it?

  37. minnesconsin says: May 13, 2011 5:05 PM

    hail2tharedskins:

    I could not agree more. I’m not much for conspiracy theories *usually* — but to me, the Wilfs have already basically moved. They’re covering their tails w/ stadium plans that make it seem as though they’re doing everything they can to stick around, because they’ll count on bringing plenty of vikings fans with them, in spirit, to LA. Wake up, Minnesota. The Wilfs are not pro-Minnesota, they don’t care about you, and they don’t care about the “storied franchise” line either. They care about maximizing profits, PERIOD.

    When it’s November election time and the Vikings are gone, my fellow Minnesotans will be taking their frustrations out on their elected officials who “let” the team leave, all the while cheering for the LA Vikings and continuing to line the pockets of the Wilfs — the real culprits in the whole debacle.

    Wake up, rubes.

  38. btg1911 says: May 13, 2011 5:14 PM

    It is just a game, but again, to hope that an entire community loses their team just because you don’t like the team or a few of their loudmouth fans is sad.

    Have a good weekend everyone. Even Packer fans.

  39. kevinlone says: May 13, 2011 5:17 PM

    Go Twins!!! Go Twins!!!! ……and take the Vikings with you….

  40. emossome84 says: May 13, 2011 5:30 PM

    @minnesconsin

    Because building a brand new state of the art stadium for a franchise that has sold out every game in the Metrodump for 12 straight seasons doesn’t make money? Even if it is all about the money why not take the easy road, build a stadium that will undoubtedly sell out no matter how the Vikes perform(see: the post Randy Moss Mid 2000′s Vikings seasons)? If he wants to make money, he builds a new stadium complex and the surrounding bars/restaurants and soaks up the easy cash for decades to come. Good call tho bud.

  41. tdk24 says: May 13, 2011 5:30 PM

    F’in St. Paul always crying about something. Oh, we can’t pay the taxes on that we’re just the capital, we have no money. So what, have you seen the roads in Minneapolis? How about the burbs that we all drive through to get to the Dome or a downtown location? Give me a freakin break already. If it weren’t for that stupid Light Rail that nobody uses, we could afford to pay for better roads all over the state. The Twin Cities and the Light rail is just like the Simpson’s monorail episode. Morons. It doesn’t even make money! This state doesn’t prefer public transportation, so quit trying to force it on us. We paid for the Twins, you pay for the Vikes, it’s only fair you bass akwards capital!

  42. davikes says: May 13, 2011 5:55 PM

    Ramsey Country has published the “Principles of Agreement” for the development of a stadium with the Vikings. They are basically giving the stadium to him. Here are some the the financial highlights:

    -The Vikings are supposed to invest $407 million, some of which can come from and NFL fund, and some of which can come from PSL’s.
    - The first $125 million from the sale of PSL’s goes to pay for the stadium. (appx. $2000 per seat.) The Vikings do not currently sell PSL’s, so this is incremental revenue to the team.
    - The Vikings get to sell the stadium naming rights which should conservatively bring in more than $100 million over life of the lease. For comparison, the Houston Texans received $300 million over 30 years from Reliant Energy. The rights for Lincoln Financial Field were sold for $140 million over 20 years.
    - The Vikings get parking revenue, which they don’t today. $20 per car x 21,000 cars x 10 games = $4.2 million per year.
    - Zygi gets to purchase 170 acres of land outside of the stadium and parking site at a discount. He will pay $11 million for the land, appx $79,000 per acre. He will then get to develop it and resell it. The land could be worth as much as $300,000 per acre. The approximate gain would be $38 million. Even if he does nothing to develop the land, Ramsey County will buy it back from him after eight years and pay fair market value. Nice risk free return on investment. (My comps are from Las Vegas, currently a real estate disaster, and the Stapleton development in Denver, which has similarities to the Arden hills location. See http://www.lvbusinesspress.com/articles/2011/05/09/news/iq_44045086.txt and http://www.oig.dot.gov/sites/dot/files/Denver Airport Revenue Report_0.pdf page 6 for more info. I copied the relevant Stapleton info below.)
    - If the project comes in under budget, the Vikings get the first $41 million in benefit. (Since the Vikings are the ones providing the stadium cost estimates, I’m guessing it will come in under budget.)

    If you net out all the above benefits, the amount Zygi contributes is now $99 million. Things I have not factored in include additional revenues from an increased number of luxury boxes and concessions revenue. They do not receive concessions revenue today. It’s unclear how much the NFL might contribute as the G3 fund requires a union vote. But in the past, the NFL has contributed anywhere from $25 million to $75 million. The Jets and Giants wanted $300 million. Lastly, the value of the Vikings will increase substantially once they have a new stadium. A $200-$300 million dollar gain in value is possible.

    So yes, Zygi is very excited about the Arden Hills location. Minneapolis doesn’t have a shot because they can’t give him any land to develop or gain parking revenue from. Additionally Sid Hartman reported that the Minneapolis city officials didn’t bother to share their proposal with the Vikings before they announced it, and that the Vikings were not pleased with this.

    The most laughably ironic part of the agreement is that Ramsey County would require Zygi to negotiate a labor agreement to prevent strikes and lockouts during construction:

    Other Required Agreements. The Authority must negotiate a public sector project labor agreement or other agreement to prevent strikes and lockouts that could halt or delay construction of the Stadium. To protect its interest in the uninterrupted receipt of revenue from the risk of labor disruption, the Authority shall require the Team to negotiate a labor peace agreement covering Stadium hospitality workers.

    For the full agreement see http://www.co.ramsey.mn.us/NR/rdonlyres/1333C8CA-3ABE-4A94-AB50-A6795634DBAA/23595/TermSheet51011.pdf

    I’d love to see the Vikings stay in MN, but I’m really tired of billionaires taking the taxpayer for a ride. If the teams cut their payroll, they could easily pay for the stadiums themselves, and the players would still be making ten times or more what the average joe makes.

    Stapleton Comp Info
    Because FAA accepted the 1999 appraisal of Stapleton and did not enforce the above requirements, the price Forest City paid for the property was still well below fair market value. For example, on January 30, 2004, Forest City obtained a 10.65-acre land parcel for $385,694. The price was calculated using the December 1999 baseline value plus the applicable CPI adjustment (for this parcel, 11.4 percent). We compared the price that Forest City paid for the parcel and the actual fair market value recorded in the 2004 warranty deed and found that the parcel was actually worth $3 million—or 678 percent more than what Forest City paid (see figure below).

  43. drbob117 says: May 13, 2011 5:59 PM

    The pols are insisting on road improvements to the tune of a quarter billion that the Vikings didn’t ask for, and Ramsey Co. only wants to do a fraction of, just so they can convince the people that the Arden Hills site is too expensive. I don’t think they understand that the choices are now Arden Hills and LA, not Arden Hills and Minneapolis. Bagley is right, the inflated estimates don’t pass the smell test, if the Vikings move out of Minny completely, the fans have only their own representatives to blame.

  44. dogsweat1 says: May 13, 2011 6:15 PM

    Sports is so wonderful in the effeminate state of Minnesomalia.

    Let’s take a look at the teams.

    Minnesota Wild. We also call them the “Elves”

    Red and Green colors stay with Christmas –not Pro Hockey.

    I tmust of took weeks to come up with the name “Wild!”

    What “Express” ddn’t make the cut.

    Minnesota T. Wolves. AKA as the Tea Bags.

    And then there is the Gophers………………….!!!

    All losers by the way.

    Need I say more?

  45. spelbc says: May 13, 2011 6:34 PM

    Vadog, obviously you don’t pay attention to the things that your fellow Minnesotans say about the Green Bay Packers, their fans, and the state of Wisconsin. Talk about sad, lonely, and depressed. Most of us on the right side of the river have come to actually feel a little bit sorry for those who hate us, our state, and our team. They are obviously very envious. But the ignorant always end up saying something stupid again, and the sympathy never gets a chance to turn into full forgiveness.

    —————————————-

    The sad thing is that people reading these boards actually believe that the comments made from an ignorant few are representative of an entire fanbase.

  46. thefiesty1 says: May 13, 2011 7:00 PM

    The state and local government doesn’t need to be involved at all. Zigy can afford his own stadium or just load the Mayflower vans.

  47. knucklehead93 says: May 13, 2011 7:15 PM

    Hey Dogsweat, Nice grasp of the English language. It “must of took” you weeks to learn it.

  48. ernieernie says: May 13, 2011 7:24 PM

    Why would the wilfs pass on money from 21,000 cars parking in there lots and not in Minneapolis. The state should pay half the costs if the stadium is to be in Minny because there forcing the owners to lose a lot of potential income.
    My take is the Vike’s are gone. This deal is going south and basically the Wilft’s hold all the cards right now.
    No money for stadium, no team. Kind of simple math to figure. LA is calling.
    What you really have is minneapolis politicians want to run on we kept the vikes here and ditto for Arden Hills location. A political one ups manship going on.

  49. goombar2 says: May 13, 2011 8:41 PM

    Geez, I posted days ago that the numbers didn’t add up and that the press conference was a dog and pony show…

    Of course I also said LA doesn’t want the vikes because they’re losers… Maybe Mexico City?

  50. cosanostra71 says: May 13, 2011 8:55 PM

    LA Vikings! :)

  51. dogsweat1 says: May 13, 2011 10:31 PM

    I tmust of took weeks to come up with the name “Wild!”

    “It took weeks”

    Ahem.

    Yes, I ‘m the only poster to ever comment an error on a message board.

    Knuckle Head —thanks for the self righteous appraisal.

    Now go back to worshipping your “Thor” photo.

  52. brewdogg says: May 13, 2011 11:02 PM

    spelbc says:
    May 13, 2011 6:34 PM
    Vadog, obviously you don’t pay attention to the things that your fellow Minnesotans say about the Green Bay Packers, their fans, and the state of Wisconsin. Talk about sad, lonely, and depressed. Most of us on the right side of the river have come to actually feel a little bit sorry for those who hate us, our state, and our team. They are obviously very envious. But the ignorant always end up saying something stupid again, and the sympathy never gets a chance to turn into full forgiveness.

    —————————————-

    The sad thing is that people reading these boards actually believe that the comments made from an ignorant few are representative of an entire fanbase.

    —————————————-

    That’s why it is more fun to attack the individuals and make them look foolish, as opposed to reciprocating the childish name-calling and antagonism.

  53. purdueman says: May 14, 2011 12:25 AM

    This is just all a lot of b.s. political posturing. The current Rollerdome site won’t work, because there’s no place for the Vikings to play in the interim. That leaves the abandoned Navy Weapons Depot the only logical site, regardless of what county it happens to be in or how the finances/taxes ultimately get worked out.

    I say give the county that St. Paul is in 50 cents per urinal flush and they’ll go away happy!

  54. recon163 says: May 14, 2011 12:47 AM

    @ davikes:

    “Here are some the the financial highlights:
    - The first $125 million from the sale of PSL’s . . .”
    - The Vikings get to sell the stadium naming rights which should conservatively bring in more than $100 million over life of the lease.
    - The Vikings get parking revenue . . . = $4.2 million per year.
    - Zygi gets to purchase 170 acres of land . . . The approximate gain would be $38 million. )
    - If the project comes in under budget, the Vikings get the first $41 million in benefit.
    If you net out all the above benefits, the amount Zygi contributes is now $99 million. Things I have not factored in include additional revenues from an increased number of luxury boxes and concessions revenue. They do not receive concessions revenue today.”

    But it is such a great economic boon for the state and Ramsey County, isn’t it? I don’t understand…..it looks like the public is simply lining Zygi’s pockets to keep the team in town…..

    Great post by the way.

  55. goombar2 says: May 14, 2011 1:37 AM

    Again, how do I get thumbs down? All I stated were facts… Facts that just now the dopes in vikeland are realizing?

    Funny, I say common sense stuff, and the vike fans get all teary eyed today. 2 days to a week from now they will say the same thing and give each other thumbs up…

    Really, the moniker of dumbest NFL fans doesn’t have to be proved daily by vike fans… Don’t feel like it’s something that requires so much devotion.

  56. locutus says: May 14, 2011 9:54 AM

    goombar2 says: May 14, 2011 1:37 AM

    Again, how do I get thumbs down? All I stated were facts…

    Because you are a Packer loser that always brings up “facts” in the most derisional and uncomplimentary ways, so your history follows you. Not to mention no one cares what a Packer loser has to say about the Viking stadium deal, despite the “facts”.

  57. footballrulz says: May 14, 2011 11:49 AM

    contra74 says:
    May 13, 2011 4:59 PM
    ilovefoolsball says:
    May 13, 2011 4:21 PM
    The only reason the Vikings receive so much vitriol and hatred is because their fans say the most asinine ridiculous, insulting statements about everyone else.
    I know the organization cannot be held accountable for the stupid words that the fans proclaim but no one should expect much sympathy for those same fans when their team is in jeopardy of being lost.

    People like Pervy Harvin and Paulitik, Robert Ethen, Viking Princess are the types that the anger is directed at in these comments when expressing joy at the vikings being relocated.
    Being a Saints fan we’ve seen firsthand the kind of ignorance that has been directed towards us because of that NFCCG win where Favre pondered passing.
    The previously mentioned names are the types who would bring up Katrina jokes, and call this area a “cess pool” etc etc, in an attempt to be personally insulting and hurtful.
    I know there are a lot of stupid saints fans who have said some of the most ridiculously stupid things as well, so vikings fans by all means do not have a monopoly on idiocy.
    I just think that you can’t act like an ass all the time and expect that people will like you. If it doesn’t matter that people like you or not then don’t be upset when people act like they’re happy when your team is threatened.

    Vikings fans you’ve brought this upon yourself, if you’re mad at the world for not expressing sadness at all this stadium news maybe you need to clean up your own house before you start calling someone else’s dirty.
    ———-
    If thats the case then why not be the bigger person and walk away. Packer fans are holier than most right? Just dont say anything, turn the other cheek and walk away. But wait – here you are adding fuel to the fire and being the exact mirror image of what you statement reflects. Ironic isnt it?
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Contra–He’s a Saints fan. There’s that MBA kicking in again.

  58. goombar2 says: May 14, 2011 7:27 PM

    Maybe I’d be a lot less angry if the vikes stopped being welfare princesses and stopped begging me for money when I’m not a fan.

    Just about everything this dis-organization does is foolish and there are the vike fans cheering it on like lemmings. Sure they get lucky once in awhile… But mostly it’s just stupidity and I have to pay for.

    As long as I have to foot the bill, expect my two cents in return!

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