Newton getting help with Panthers playbook from Dorsey

AP

When we wrote about Cam Newton working with Chris Weinke the other day, we overlooked the fact that Ken Dorsey was also chipping in to help Newton at the IMG Academy.

Dorsey is a noteworthy coach for Newton because he possesses something Weinke does not: experience in Panthers offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski’s system. “Chud” was Dorsey’s offensive coordinator at the University of Miami.  (A reader reminds us they were together with the Browns too.)

Newton has the Panthers playbook and a coach that can help him with the formations, concepts, and playcalls in that playbook.

“It’s a lot of material that I do not know, but each day I’m going in and learning something,” Newton told the Associated Press. “So by the time . . . the lockout is lifted and I get a chance to talk to Chudzinski and [QB coach Mike] Shula and meet back up with the team, I’ll be on top of my game.”

Newton and the Panthers have found a perfectly legal way for him to get useful coaching on his playbook.  We wonder what measures other teams are taking to make sure their prized rookie quarterbacks don’t fall too far behind.

42 responses to “Newton getting help with Panthers playbook from Dorsey

  1. “What number is this play?”

    “And then I just run with it? -Newton
    “No, then you go to your second read.”-Dorsey
    “My what?”-Newton

  2. dolfan34 says:
    May 15, 2011 10:42 AM
    Man, it just keeps getting better with these NFL washouts he keeps getting help from. Next on the list…..Gino Toretta.
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    Why is there still a cadre of football fans who don’t understand that successful and very naturally talented players do not usually become successful coaches?
    If you believe that greatness on the field as a player is an important indicator of great coaching you must believe that Mike Ditka’s coaching acumen was a bigger reason the Bears won SB 20 than Buddy Ryan’s coaching acumen.

  3. This is the defining issue. Cam Newton has all kinds of athleticism. But does he possess the mental acumen and mental discipline to be a successful NFL QB??? Jamarcus Russell had all the physical ability in the world, but he obviously was a complete knucklehead and NEVER should have been considered a franchise QB. He has no brains!

    I’m not going to saddle this kid with the albatross of Jamarcus Russell, but athletic ability is only one fraction of what it takes to be a successful NFL QB. The mental aspect is far more important.

    I find Michael Vick to be a great case study. When he was with the Falcons he was a big super star, covered in teflon, and could do no wrong. Back then I thought he was mentally lazy and was relying on his scrambling ability to get by. He was not a great QB. He’d run out of the pocket in a millisecond if the 1st read was not open. I don’t think he really gave a crap about becoming more effective by becoming more mentally disciplined. Now fast forward to him with the Eagles. All of the sudden Mike Vick has something to prove. He is no longer coated in teflon. I see a different Mike Vick with the Eagles than I saw with the Falcons. Now he seems more dedicated and disciplined in the mental aspects of being an NFL QB. He’s not running out of the pocket after seeing the 1st read isn’t open. He’s doing a much better job in that regard…in actually being a QB…a passer, as opposed to a guy with the ball that can throw or run with it. I think Mike Vick realized when he got out of the clink that he needed to bring his game to another level in order to make his comeback….and I think he did. We’ll see if this mental discipline sticks with him next season. I have my doubts because he didn’t have the discipline inherently, and he’s been able to get by without it for most of his career. I’m guessing that now that he has the starting QB position solidified with the Eagles that he’ll revert back to his mentally lazy ways. We’ll see.

    We’ll also see if Cam Newton can bring the mental commitment to the position. We’ll see.

  4. The next ex-Chudzinski QB to help Cam Newton will be Derek Anderson!!!

    He’ll teach Cam about training as an NFL QB and how he “worked hard” for the Monday Night Football game against the 49ers where he was caught laughing and threw 0 touchdowns and 1 interception at a 45.7% completion rate!!!

  5. @backindasadle, who the he’ll r u, who cares what your assessments are you p.o.s. You wish u had a tenth of the talent of Vick or newton and they are both intelligent. Playing football isn’t rocket science. Vick was. 3 time pro-bowler and got to a championship game with the falcons. So whatever he was doing worked. Do us a favor and stfu. The article is about newton anyway. I’m happy cam is getting help from Dorsey. For one Dorsey was very good in college and knows the system. You dot have to be a great player to be a great coach

  6. Good piece for a change around here. @backindasaddle the only caveat I would add to what you expressed was that Mike Vick wasn’t helped along with his attitude and work ethic with decent coaching. After the Falcons got rid of Dan Reeves they went with a kid (Mora Jr) who just tossed the football out their and an Offensive “guru” who seemingly wanted to re-invent the wishbone offense.

  7. @kspl1

    You seem to have taken PERSONAL offense to my assessments of these players.

    Why?

  8. I’m a Newton doubter, because all the wowability he had in college might not transer to the pros.

    Having said that, it’s good to see him working and reaching out to people familiarized with the Panthers playbook.

  9. backindasaddle says:May 15, 2011 11:32 AM

    This is the defining issue. Cam Newton has all kinds of athleticism. But does he possess the mental acumen and mental discipline to be a successful NFL QB??? Jamarcus Russell had all the physical ability in the world, but he obviously was a complete knucklehead and NEVER should have been considered a franchise QB. He has no brains!

    I’m not going to saddle this kid with the albatross of Jamarcus Russell, but athletic ability is only one fraction of what it takes to be a successful NFL QB. The mental aspect is far more important.

    We’ll see if this mental discipline sticks with him next season. I have my doubts because he didn’t have the discipline inherently, and he’s been able to get by without it for most of his career. I’m guessing that now that he has the starting QB position solidified with the Eagles that he’ll revert back to his mentally lazy ways. We’ll see.

    We’ll also see if Cam Newton can bring the mental commitment to the position. We’ll see
    ——————————
    Let me see if I can interprete this long speech…..

    When threatened by a kid who is very gifted athletically but isn’t one of our kids, automatically paint him with the tried and true black stereotype that never fails. A black man may be more athletic but he’s lacking upstairs and he’s “inherently” not as disciplined as “us.”

    I wonder what was the excuse for all the many failed white QBs? I guess it couldn’t be their intelligence or inherited disciplined nature.NEVER.. So I guess it must be something else, RIGHT?

    The Alpha Male syndrome is still live and well, I see.

  10. chitownjeff says:May 15, 2011 12:33 PM

    Good piece for a change around here. @backindasaddle the only caveat I would add to what you expressed was that Mike Vick wasn’t helped along with his attitude and work ethic with decent coaching.
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    Can the same be said about Ryan Leaf?

  11. Chris Weinke and Ken Dorsey. Great choices there. Next up: Jim Druckenmiller, Stoney Case, Spergon Wynn, Josh Booty, and the immortal Giovani Carmazzi.

  12. Team Newton just purchased a second bus and another freight liner to carry the gear.

  13. Everyone does realize that the place The Great Slimy Newt is polishing his craft is A PUBLIC IMAGE COMPANY, don’t they?

  14. Let me see if I can interprete this long speech…..

    When threatened by a kid who is very gifted athletically but isn’t one of our kids, automatically paint him with the tried and true black stereotype that never fails. A black man may be more athletic but he’s lacking upstairs and he’s “inherently” not as disciplined as “us.”

    I wonder what was the excuse for all the many failed white QBs? I guess it couldn’t be their intelligence or inherited disciplined nature.NEVER.. So I guess it must be something else, RIGHT?

    The Alpha Male syndrome is still live and well, I see.
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    Whatswiththehate,

    Why did you take his comments to be racially motivated? Yes he used examples of black qbs, but intelligence, discipline, and work ethic know no race. Your correct that logic applies to Ryan leaf, Matt leinart, derrek anderson, and every other first round extremely talented lazy qb who was a bust. Your interpretations serve only to fuel the racism which you so aggressively are trying to prevent. People read your comments and see someone pulling the race card, assuming that because this example applies to some black people. It applies to all of them. Or to them exclusively. It doesn’t. The post made no mention of race, only you did. Racism exists, granted. But this is 2011, the president is black, 80% of our favorite players and teams overall are black. We wear jerseys with black players names on them. We buy season tickets to see a majority of black players represent our teams every week every season. We fight people in defense of these black players because when they wear our teams colors they become our guys. None of this is racially motivated, we judge players by their talents, work ethic, and merits. Nothing more, nothing less. Please refrain from bringing race to the forefront unless it is being specifically mentioned. Thanks

  15. jw731 says:
    May 15, 2011 10:47 AM
    Weinke, Dorsey, and Newton..???Were the Playbooks edited by Dr. Suess?
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    HA! Good stuff jw731 – take an extra thumbs up…

  16. Gonna be hilarious when Rivera gives Cam a slap on the behind and says “alright bud, get your guns out the holsters and go out-duel the Falcons and Saints offenses” Cam the Icon and Entertainer Newton is going to get absolutely steamrolled by that division. 0-16 is a very realistic possibility… But he got his millions of dollars so he couldn’t care less.

  17. The truth is that Dorsey is helping Newton to read since he hasn’t seen the inside of a classroom since 9th grade.

  18. weinke,dorsey now someone get danny wuerffel and doug johnson on the phone… all bs aside its crazy how many guys can win the heisman in college and do nothing in the nfl though

  19. ampats says:May 15, 2011 3:51 PM

    The truth is that Dorsey is helping Newton to read since he hasn’t seen the inside of a classroom since 9th grade.
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    And you known that because u know Cam personally?

    What I find so funny is the many who simply repeat what they read, …yep, there’s a sign of intelligence,… critizing Cam simply because he’s stereoyped as being stupid by the media.

    Cam situation is not even like Mallet’s. Where those on the outside of the sports meda have did do their research on Mallett and found him to have some attitude issues. Every negative accusation against Cam is coming directly from those inside of sports media and their elks. And is being eaten up by those with extremely low self-esteem and are jealous of him.

    From the Panthers, to those around Cam, not one of them have questioned this kid’s intelligence and have said quite the opposite of what the media have been pushing against him. Yet, the folks at PFT and their sports freinds simply ignore what they say with pure cynicism and continue to push their lies, ESPN style.

    When jokers like those at CBS Sports write scathing cut and paste opinions pieces on Cam and follow-up their attack on this kid with, “he needs to read what we write” in response to him saying he doesn’t follow what is being written about him, that says it all IMO. These MOFOs in the sports media REALLY do think it’s all about them and their shallow opinions of these athletes.

    I guess not all of these athletes are equal. So these sports writers, or whatever they are calling themselves these days, will feed off of their audience, who will believe everything they say when it comes to certain athletes…SAD

  20. @kspl1

    Who the hell are YOU? Warren Moon?!? People like you are most the reason racism exists in the first place. You won’t let it go and you find something racial in everything. If I said Akili Smith was a bust is that racist? If I said Reggie Bush has never shown his true potential does that mean I’m calling him a lazy black guy? Please dude, grow up and get with the times. You’re setting us back 100 years because of your arrogance. This is football, nothing more.

  21. @valman61

    I would like to thank you for interpreting my comments in the spirit in which they were provided.

    @whatswiththehate & kspl1

    I’m going to guess that you’re both black men and took offense at my critique of these QBs because they are all black. In reality, my thoughts are very pointedly focussed on the fact that the QB position is one of mental discipline. In fact, it’s really not in much question at all. Everybody on earth already knows the QB position requires mental acumen. I think it also follows then that the more mental discipline a guy brings to this position the better he will be. It’s also my observation…and this why I bring Cam Newton into the conversation…is that extremely gifted athletic QBs that can run and scramble or have a huge cannon arm tend to rely on their physical gifts to be successful. As such, they tend to be less mentally dedicated to the process of learning and understanding the intricacies of the QB position. They can always just pull the ball down and run for yardage. It’s easy for them. In essence…they tend not to be mentally disciplined because they don’t need to be. They always have the safety valve of ultra athleticism to bail them out. I have clearly seen this with Mike Vick in Atlanta and I clearly saw him more dedicated …mentally… in Philidelphia this past year.

    The very same thing applies to any QB and it doesn’t matter if they’re black, white or orange with pink poke-a-dots. Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are certainly not great athletes. Neither of them can run to save his life. But they are the two best QBs in the game. Why? Mental discipline. They know the QB position, their offenses and the opposing defenses inside out, upside down, backwards and forwards. They can’t rely on their athleticism because they don’t have any. They MUST be mentally disciplined. The super athletic QBs…like Vick & Newton…always have the safety valve of ultra athleticism to bail them out. If Manning or Brady had to rely on athleticism they’d be instant failures.

    You can turn this into a racial thing if you wish….but it’s not about race. It’s about the position of QB. BTW…Warren Moon was an all time favorite of mine and I don’t think anybody is going to deny he was a great QB. I wish he was still playing because I loved to watch him. My guess is that he’s not black enough for either of you.

  22. Hobartbaker… IMG Academy has nothing to do with public relations. Get your facts straight before you post something as fact!

  23. @backindasaddle and @madenatewell

    I never once mentioned or insinuated race, so I don’t know where that is coming from.

    @backindasaddle your second assessment was excellent on the mental aspect of the qb position. I totally agree with you. My question is why is cam newton the only prospect everyone questions his intellect or passion for the game. What is it based on. Certainly not the fact that he won 2 national championships in a row. I don’t know if he’ll succeed at this level or not but I am tired of the Russell comparisons and mental doubt directed at him. It just has no factual basis to go along with it.

  24. IMG is a freaking modelling agency. Maybe Newt is not holding the football at the correct angle in the photographs or something. That may be why they brought in the ex QBs.

  25. I believe “whatswiththehate” is jumping towards racism with such haste because we as black people see racism so much. We’re annoyed when we’re told that racism doesn’t exist anymore when we see it so frequently. I live in Mississippi, so trust me, it’s still alive and well. Yes, black people are equally if not more racist. But please take into account why. There’s no need to elaborate any further on that point. Even still, when I reflect on it it really doesn’t even matter if we’re racist because we don’t run the world. I don’t want to hear the President is black hooplah. The President is black, and the rest of the governing body is majority white. Don’t be naive.

  26. Now to the subject at hand. Cam Newton will be a great QB. He’s already showing more dedication then Michael Vick or JaMarcus Russell ever showed when they arrived in the NFL. He’s driven by the doubters, similar to Tim Tebow. I think Tebow will be a good QB in the NFL as well as Cam. A lot of you think you know more about football then you really do. Stop watching ESPN so much.

  27. Rezburna,

    That’s fair. I live outside of NYC, I still at times see racism but it really isn’t tolerated. Most people who say racist things are dismissed as ignorant, even in the predominantly white social circles I exist within. As a young guy the dark times of racism in this country were before my lifetime. The majority of times I hear people complain of racism, it is an excuse. Like someone who shows up late for work every day, gets fired, and complains it was cause of race. Umm no, it was cause you came in late every day. But I definitely would feel differently if I actually experienced true racism personally. So I can respect your position on the matter.

  28. Let’s see…the guy hasn’t taken a single NFL snap and he’s already one of the most hated men in sports. He’s hated because he want’s to be an entertainer and an icon and he’s got a “fake smile”. Not much of a reason to hate the guy if you ask me. He’s hated because his dad allegedly asked for money to coax him toward particular schools. I don’t really have a problem with this either. Happens every day in college sports. If you don’t believe it then you’re looking at it with your eyes closed.

    Can’t we just wait for the guy to play some games before we determine how much he sucks? Oh sorry, I forgot most here are too stupid to have any common sense. I’m surprised some even have the ability to get online from their double wide trailers, parked in the woods. I’ve never read more ignorant sh!t than most of what gets posted here.

  29. whatswiththehate:

    Don’t you have a Post Traumatic Slavery Disorder group to lead somewhere?

    What a flaming racist.

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