McNabb actually was a victim this time with Hopkins, but he overplays the card so often it becomes trite.

“Black on black crime” being the definitive statement on his worldview and sense of self.

There are very few teams who might take him on at this point. I’d list Cinci, SF, and Seattle as the most likely. I’d expect a one year rent-a-Vet deal.

What part of the country are you from? Perhaps this is regional in nature – because I can tell you 100% that the term does have a racist connotation when used in a certain way.
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I’ve heard it as a racist slur also, but not by my generation. I live in the Midwest. Like you said, it’s more from people who were born in the early 1900s-1930s or so.

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I guess you don’t remember his “black on black crime” and “I put us at the top of the NFC” comments.

To clarify…

That single word can be racist, not the phrase “call a spade a spade”.

I agree with you – I wouldn’t expect anyone to claim the usage of the entire phrase (call a spade a spade) is racist.

But when you use it in this context you open yourself up to false attacks. Which is cause enough not to use it.

Ummm. Marvin Harrison ring a bell? Same thought process applies to both cases.

What part of the country are you from? Perhaps this is regional in nature – because I can tell you 100% that the term does have a racist connotation when used in a certain way.

Not sure if it is a Philly thing, a 1930′s-1950′s thing, or an upstate PA Irish thing…but it is a term that is used by some as a racial epithet.

I didn’t “read it somewhere”. I didn’t hear it second hand. I heard it in real life many, many times over the course of my life.

There weren’t many Greek scholars in my neighborhood growing up, ya know what I’m saying?

Halo and Sterling et al…hate to break it to you geniuses but that term has no racial overtones or meanings whatsoever. It’s based on terminology Greek in origin and originally was “call a bowl a bowl”, it then evolved into card playing and became associated with that. Educate yourself, you might not look like such an ignorant fool in the future. Let me guess, you think the word N i g g a r d l y is rooted in racism too right? Way to out yourself for being a card carrying moron.

Manning, Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Big Ben (SB wins) are no question better than McNabb. That’s 5.

Flacco and Ryan are more desirable because their talent is close and they have tons of upside and years left. That’s 2 more.

Then you go with stat guys (largely what McNabb is now) with better stats…Rivers, Shaub. That’s 2 more.

And then I have to give Eli a slight edge because of the wins and the SB ring. That’s 1 more.

That makes McNabb’s ‘ceiling’ about #11. Max. And you can argue that you’d rather have younger guys like Stafford or Sanchez – again, because of the youth and upside.

When you take into account how many years McNabb has left, how much he’ll cost, he isn’t an overly attractive option – even if none of the drama was true.

He’s like Drew Bledsoe at the end – can still play and do some things, but he’ll never be the best option.

Maybe if a contender’s QB gets hurt in week 4 he can come in and help. But even than is questionable.

Yes, actually that word’s double meaning is common knowledge to most people over a certain age (35-40+) but I don’t think that the guy who used it knew that and certainly never intended it to be used that way.

It’s from a bygone era. If you had racist grandparents you’d have definitely known, it was among the derogatory terms they used back in the day (30′s?).

Just an unfortunate coincidence of words.

Miami makes the most sense, if they keep Marshall or he’s actually healthy, but they may still see potential in Henne and don’t want to ruin his confidence. Again.

Rivera is starting Cam Newton day 1. Mike Brown won’t pay McNabb to come in. Everyone else either has someone better, or has someone that WILL be better than McNabb is already playing.

So bottom line is we have a guy in Manning who this past year didn’t really have a great supporting cast on offense, and a defense which was best described as average. Yet this guy is throwing for over 4,500 yards with 30+ TD’s to go with only 17 ints. That’s an elite top 10 QB.

Yes McNabb’s supporting cast wasn’t very good however thats still not an excuse to post a sub 80 rating and throwing bounce passes on third down. He had a pro bowl TE, a 1,000 yard receiver, and a solid #2 guy in Armstrong. Any elite QB could post respectable numbers with that. And as far as the line is concerned the fact of the matter is they were much improved by the end of the year so it’s not like McNabb never had time to throw.

I think back to the Titan’s game where McNabb had plenty of time to throw (ie no excuses) yet for the life of him he couldn’t take advantage and burn the Titans defense like an elite QB would be able to. In fact he threw an Int after sitting in the pocket for around 6/7 seconds untouched. Had it not been for a dropped Int in overtime and a stupid unsportsman like penalty that followed the Titans could have very easily beat the Redskins.

Sorry, dude. Aaron Rodgers is far more deserving than McNabb for that Top 5 list. You can base my opinion on over 3900 passing yards and a 93+ QB rating every year since taking over as starter, being able to make plays on his feet when the offense breaks down, and unlike your boy Donovan, actually winning a Super Bowl.

That being said, I still think McNabb has enough left in the tank to land a starting job somewhere in the league. I just don’t consider him a Top 5 QB by any stretch of the imagination.

McNabb a Top 5 quarterback? That’s a joke.

McNabb not even a Top 20 quarterback? That’s a joke.

Granted, I don’t work in the league anymore, but from someone who has some experience, here’s the list I’d take over him on TALENT. I’m not counting age and promise (guys like Sam Bradford).

Tom Brady
Ben Roethlisberger
Peyton Manning
Philip Rivers
Eli Manning
Aaron Rodgers
Matt Ryan
Drew Brees

That’s without a doubt. Eight guys.

Others I’d consider:

Matt Schaub
Joe Flacco

So, at the worst that puts McNabb 11th in the NFL for me.

If you give McNabb a WR like Andre Johnson with a running game, he’s good for 25 TDs a season even at this age. He still has a cannon for an arm.

This coming from someone who is not a McNabb fan.

You people throw around hyperbole like it’s going out of style.

Mcnabb’s Stats
230 td’s opposed to 115 Int’s
36250 pass yds
3400 rush yds

Last yr Mcnabb in a NEW System w/ HORRIBLE SURROUNDING TALENT had a HORRIBLE YEAR! 14 td’s and 15 int’s…Just 1 yr Earlier he had 22 td’s and 10 int’s in 14 games and made the probowl as well as another playoff berth.
Statistically he has one of the best TD to INT ratios EVER! So calling him avg. is a bit of a stretch. He might not be Brady or Manning but statistically he can hang with anyone else over the course of a career. Other notable guys with the same amount of Games Played

Drew Brees (who has a ring though) for his career has 235 td’s and 132 Int’s (with crazy talented offenses in San Diego and NO) Brees is the man, but his stats and Mcnabbs are extremely similar.

M. Hasselbeck 176 td’s 128 Int’s –Not better than Mcnabb sorry

While I’m convinced that A-Rod in a short sampling is Better than Mcnabb–and maybe even Big Ben (not statistically though) I can’t say Colt, Bradford, Flacco. M. Ryan, Jay Cutler (lol), Vick (Had a great yr but avg. most other yrs) Sanchez etc. are better than a guy who did good to great for a whole DECADE.

Bottom Line–put Mcnabb with a talented offense like the Vikings and all of you will see- it was being in Washington that had him subpar..STATS don’t lie

“There’s not 32 QBs better than McNabb. ”

No, but there are 20-25 QB’s better than him. And many more cheaper and smarter than him. And even more tougher, less fragile ones.
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It’s not about the bottom line in most cases. Other teams are trying to see what they have in young QB’s. Some are looking for mentors for young QB’s but simply don’t want to break the bank. As others have pointed out many teams have better QB’s and if they’re similar in terms of talent they still have an edge in knowing the playbook. Plus a lot of the teams McNabb could start for gain little if anything by bringing McNabb in.

Basically McNabb is going to visit teams when he’s released and say I’ve done this and that, I was in a bad situation in Washington but I can still play, pay me big and give me the starting job. Maybe not as aggressively as that but you get the point.

Awesome reader base here.”

I hear what you’re saying, but honestly, the ‘spade’ reference slipped past me the first time. There are so many (potentially) racially loaded terms, and some of them overlap with common cliches. I know that I have at least once used the “call a spade a spade” phrase when making sporting arguments, only to cringe immediately afterwards when I realized that it might be misconstrued. If the racial angle was intended, than that’s to be condemned- but let’s not forget that these turns of language can be made with innocent intentions also.

You just lost any shred of credibility you might have had here.

It’s one thing to put up a defensible argument, but McCoy? Hasselbeck? But aside any hatred for McNabb you might have, but to put these on your ‘for sure’ list and Brees on your ‘maybe’ list, and not mentioning Matt Ryan at all?

Congratulations, with this one post, you just ensured that no one will ever take anything you have to say seriously.

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Same thing, opposite direction…. McNabb ahead of Rivers and Rodgers? After those top 6, you could make an argument that would draw split support matching him against Cutler, Freeman, Schaub, Vick, etc. But trying to put him any higher isn’t realistic.