GO COLTS!

1. I never said that about Smith.

2. Since Gene Upshaw was President of the NFLPA during the 1987 strike, I feel pretty confident placing some of the fault on his shoulders over it.

THAT says all I need to know.

3. The least effective labor leader in the history of professional sports was Gene Upshaw, a former NFL player. It’s 2010 and the players are still paying the price for Upshaw’s ill-advised strategy in having the players strike in 1987.

Wait…didn’t you earlier say DeIdiot was just doing what the players told him to do and he couldn’t do anything on his own. But NOW the strike of 1987 was Upshaw’s fault. You mean he had the ability to unilaterally make decisions the players DIDN’T want him to, but De Idiot can ONLY do what the players want to do? So none of this can be his fault?

WOW your union colored ati-business glasses sure must have gotten fogged with that logic.

1. I’m not sure how the rumor got started that I’m an NFL player, but I’m not. I haven’t played football since high school.

2. The most effective labor leader in the history of professional sports was Marvin Miller, who had no previous ties to baseball.

3. The least effective labor leader in the history of professional sports was Gene Upshaw, a former NFL player. It’s 2010 and the players are still paying the price for Upshaw’s ill-advised strategy in having the players strike in 1987.

So according to your negotiating rules, you now owe me $500,000. When I receive your check I’ll gladly say that the players are in the wrong.

Applause for an outstanding analogy!

Sad part is, I think you honestly believe that.

Do you think that they would not be in exactly the same position if the CBA had gone all the way to term? The only thing the opt-out did was push the timetable for this exact scenario ahead a few years.

BTW, the whole war comment came straight from the mouth of the weasel you and your fellow players elected to “lead” you. What you thinking? Why didn’t you select someone with ties to the game who cared about more than just making a name for themselves ? It started when you selected DeIdiot instead of someone with an understanding of league and a love for the game.

readimgram1: Why should I?

Me: No way am I going to tell you why. But how about we make it $500,000?

readimgram1: Well, since you are negotiating in good faith and so willing to compromise, I feel compelled to meet you halfway.

So according to your negotiating rules, you now owe me $500,000. When I receive your check I’ll gladly say that the players are in the wrong.

The owners made it clear that they were “going to war” by planning to lock the players out. There wasn’t a fight until the owners started one.

You know, the two sides had TWO YEARS to get a deal done, and they didn’t. They even had a federal mediator involved. What difference would another few weeks have made?

Guess you could rationalize it that way. Of course, there were no negotiations to walk away from during that two years(for whatever reason-maybe lack of anything but “interm” leadership from 8/08 until the Weasel came into power in 3/09 had something to do with it). Of course, when the players refused to come off of their “we going to war” stance, you are probably right, the players would not have made any honest attempt to negotiate regardless of how many more weeks they went.

Paging Mr. Tarkington…….

Anyway, it still seems to me that the owners are asking the players to take a large paycut without giving them a convincing reason to do so.

The players counterproposal: the old CBA.

The 1982 lockout did not have De Smith leading the madness.

As per the owners’ insistence the players would have to wait six months until after CBA expired to decertify. The players decertified at the last possible hour.

You know, the two sides had TWO YEARS to get a deal done, and they didn’t. They even had a federal mediator involved. What difference would another few weeks have made?

Hmmm, who is buying the beer, or is Vrabel going to provide it?

Vrabel? Just don’t let Pat McAfee buy it.

The players haven’t agreed because they’re not convinced that’s true.

So Jim…what’s the solution to that?

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Actually that last offer was 350 million with alot less practices, contact and 82 million to go to retired players. But what is 250 million bucks between friends?

How about that counter offer from the players?

*Crickets*

The players haven’t agreed because they’re not convinced that’s true.

So Jim…what’s the solution to that?

If there is no deal after 10 or 11 days have we really lost anything

Maybe Irsay and his fellow owners could fire their commish and find someone more willing to negotiate like a grown up. Saturday should do the same w/ Smith on his side.

Remind me again who walked away from the negotiations…The same commish that has repeatedly asked for more negotiations?

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The same players that walked out of negotiations? And once again the wafer thin veil of impartiality comes crashing down.

tommyf15 says: May 16, 2011 12:31 PM

Of course, we wouldn’t be in this mess had the owners not opted out of the old CBA.
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Of course, we wouldn’t be in this mess had the players not opted of negotiating a new CBA.

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So, the players are supposed just grab their ankles and trust the owners. Yeah, right.