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Progress in mediated talks disputed

James Quinn and Jeffrey Kessler, attorneys for the NFL Players Association enter a federal courthouse to resume court-ordered mediation in Minneapolis AP

The moment any good news is reported during this lockout, you can bet that someone will report the opposite soon thereafter.

That happened Monday evening after ESPN’s Sal Paolatonio reported a breakthrough in mediated labor talks, via antitrust plaintiff and Hall of Fame defensive end Carl Eller.

Mark Maske of the Washington Post and Mike Freeman of CBSSports.com both have thrown cold water on the notion.

Maske: “There has been no meaningful progress in the mediated talks, I’m told.”

Freeman: “Again, I’m told, absolutely no serious progress made in mediation. None. Zippo.”

It’s at least possible that the ruling of a stay from the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals could change that dynamic. It would be hard for progress to have been made if the league was asked to make a new proposal, and then spent the day formulating it.

Albert Breer of NFL.com reports the league presented a “bullet pointed overview” for the players to chew on Monday evening, rather than a complete proposal.

If we continue to hear on Tuesday that “no meaningful progress” has been made, then it’s probably time to begin another depressing march towards the next court date on June 3.

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  1. rooneyruleblues says: May 16, 2011 8:43 PM

    Sal Pal knows nothing about anything. Unless it is what is coming out of the Eagles or Eli Mannings ass.

  2. siggy00 says: May 16, 2011 8:44 PM

    RIP NFL 2011 season……

    Just time to accept that fact.

  3. berniemadoffsides says: May 16, 2011 8:45 PM

    (Slams face into keyboard)

  4. esg6string says: May 16, 2011 8:45 PM

    Oh for F’s sake! Thanks guys for taking a big ol giant wiz on the potentially good news. (although this could just be no progress has been made because the league hasn’t made their new offer so nothing could be accomplished yet)

    To quote Top Gear: “How hard can it be?” to get a new deal done. Compromise you collective jack wagons (not sure why but I just wanted to say that).

  5. ajc85 says: May 16, 2011 8:46 PM

    so now we are negotiating how much progress is taking place at the mediation talks?

  6. disapointeddallasfan says: May 16, 2011 8:46 PM

    Get it the f#%k over with already

  7. rayski says: May 16, 2011 8:49 PM

    Explain how you think a “breakthrough in talks” and
    “meaningful progress” are the same thing?

  8. vahawker says: May 16, 2011 8:51 PM

    ajc85 says: May 16, 2011 8:46 PM

    so now we are negotiating how much progress is taking place at the mediation talks?

    That in itself IS progress

  9. willycents says: May 16, 2011 8:51 PM

    “depressing march towards the next court date on June 3.”

    You can bet there will be nothing until the court run is completely over. If the players lose the lockout case, look for them to exploit the anti trust suit to gain leverage.
    IMAO, the only result that the players (and their attorneys) will accept is a complete win, even if that win is the demolition of the league.
    What else would you expect? They have been raised from birth that winning is the only option, regardless of the cost. They have only the desire to win the game, no consideration for the next game, or the next season, focused only on the competion at hand.

  10. grandsonofcoach says: May 16, 2011 8:52 PM

    Come on guys. This isn’t rocket science. The door is open a crack. League…you present a meaningful proposal that shows you’re serious. Careful though, don’t give away the farm on the first go. Leave a little room to give later. Ok, now players…don’t all freak out because the league didn’t bow to your every wish. Breathe. Breathe. Ok, now make a counter offer. See, it’s not so hard. Back and forth. Back and forth.

  11. canuck54143 says: May 16, 2011 8:53 PM

    Why don’t the players just offer up a proposal and see if that gets the ball rolling? If they want the fans back that’s what they should do.

  12. Deb says: May 16, 2011 8:54 PM

    Like I said, we’ve been teased too much with these getting-our-hopes-up rumors. Don’t come sniffing around me anymore unless you know someone’s getting down to business. :mad:

  13. tommyf15 says: May 16, 2011 8:54 PM

    siggy00 says:
    RIP NFL 2011 season……

    Just time to accept that fact.

    Nah.

    If the owners win the 6/3 court case, the players will just accept whatever was offered.

    If the players win, the owners would have to unlock the gates.

  14. bamasucks says: May 16, 2011 8:56 PM

    who can follow this garbage? update: progress being made on a new proposal update: no there isn’t update: yes there is

    at this point, i don’t really give a flip. cancel the freaking season and go a year without paychecks and revenue. i dare ya.

  15. nflfan101 says: May 16, 2011 9:00 PM

    When I read your last post that there was a breakthrough, I knew that there was not any breakthrough.

    A breakthrough will not come when the NFL makes an offer or tries to negotiate, a breakthrough will come when D. Smith decides to actually and in good faith respond to the NFL and owners in negotiations.

    What did sort of surprise me though was the NFL’s willingness to make another offer. But since the NFL and owners have been begging for negotiations, it is really not surprising that they are negotiating against themselves.

    Prediction: This mess will not end anytime soon because D. Smith does not want it to end. He does not want to negotiate and I really do not think that he will negotiate until either the players tell him to or the players lose the anti-trust case.

    FACT: D. Smith walked out of CBA negotiations, decertified the union, had certain players file suit, did not attend at least one of the court ordered mediation sessions, and now does not encourage any players to attend mediation.

    Fans, players, and PFT employees that really want football need to tell D. Smith to get his butt into negotiations.

  16. hobartbaker says: May 16, 2011 9:00 PM

    It’s a “good news, bad news situation”. Unfortunately usually in that order.

  17. sc5000 says: May 16, 2011 9:00 PM

    If anyone is surprised by this they should get their IQ checked. Seriously, there isn’t going to be any progress in talks until the court rules on June 3rd. Both sides are waiting to hear the ruling because they both think they are going to win, both sides know that a ton of leverage comes with winning this court ruling, so they aren’t going to put a deal in place when they can get a better deal after this court ruling. Whoever wins in court on June 3rd holds all the cards, so nothing productive is happening now and people should have already known this…

  18. jwill31579 says: May 16, 2011 9:08 PM

    I dont know which is worse: The coverage of these guys going back and forth, or the coverage of Brett Favre going back and forth.

  19. yeti47 says: May 16, 2011 9:21 PM

    We at least have the UFL! GO OMAHA NIGHTHAWKS!

  20. rcali says: May 16, 2011 9:23 PM

    Love the drama. Still enough suckers out there to buy the merchandise and pay for PSL’s and tickets whenever they figure this out. I would like to say thank you to those people so I can watch it on tv.

  21. bhester1906 says: May 16, 2011 9:24 PM

    Let’s be honest, the only person who has made reports that panned out is Adam Schefter. He had a “hunch” that their would be a ruling today and low and behold what happened. There is no point in listening in any other reporters and their “sources”….

  22. drstrangelust says: May 16, 2011 9:24 PM

    Am I the only one who remembers the debacle of the 1987 year??? We are on the verge of no season until November at the earliest. And the league hasn’t ruled out using scrubs to play this year.

    HOLY GOD…GET THIS EFFING THING DONE!!!!

  23. Deb says: May 16, 2011 9:27 PM

    @bamasucks …

    This is the second time I’ve agreed with one of your posts in the last few days. You have strange and scary powers. I’m going to put on a cross and sprinkle garlic bulbs around my house. ;)

    Roll Tide!!!!

  24. dickroy says: May 16, 2011 9:31 PM

    Hi Deb!! I am in Mexico right now. I agree with you. Tell us something that is really happening to get us some football

  25. Deb says: May 16, 2011 9:33 PM

    Does anyone else think Jeffrey Kessler looks a lot like Ed Helms? Is he missing any teeth?

  26. commoncents says: May 16, 2011 9:35 PM

    Hey Gregg, if you or Mike had any allies along the owner side, maybe you could tip us to what the offer was or which direction the Owners were going to take this. If I were an owner, I would NEVER grant anyone from PFT an interview. Your bias hasn’t helped anything!!

  27. TIM says: May 16, 2011 9:36 PM

    The ruling that came today from the 8th circuit not only gave the owners the victory in the battle to keep the stay in place but they also stated in today’s statement that the owners are likely to win the verdict to overturn the liberal woman judge in Minnesota.
    The players should quickly vote to fire the ambulance chaser Smith,who only knows how to file law suits and doesn’t know the first thing about negotiating ,and then hire an NFL veteran who knows his stuff (like Gene Upshaw),and get the union re-certified and get a reasonable CBA agreement,before the players start losing paychecks and worse.

    As I have said all along,the owners can’t lose ,the only question there ever was is how much bigger a piece of the pie the owners will come away with.
    Everyone knows that the old CBA was a bad deal for the owners and that they would take advantage of the clause in the contract to void the old CBA and start negotiations for a new,fair CBA.
    Whatever deal the players finally sign,they could have had that or maybe even a better deal 2 Months ago !!!

    The only thing that Smith was supposed to be good for is to file law suits and win in court and he has failed miserably at that,since the owners have defeated Smith in court,it’s over !
    Fire the useless bum and hire someone who knows what they are doing,someone who will make a tough but fair deal !

  28. bamasucks says: May 16, 2011 9:50 PM

    lol thanks Deb. fwiw, i’ve agreed with more than a couple of your posts in the past.

  29. jleimer says: May 16, 2011 9:56 PM

    Lets be honest folks in this era of pft and reputable sources we get alot of fluff and lies. Until June 3rd or until D Smith wants to get a deal done which I highly doubt because he wants the Benjamins we shall move forward to other stuff such as Baseball and the NBA who by the way has somewhat a steak in this because they too could face labor issues.

  30. dallasavengers says: May 16, 2011 10:03 PM

    grandsonofcoach says:
    May 16, 2011 8:52 PM
    Come on guys. This isn’t rocket science. The door is open a crack. League…you present a meaningful proposal that shows you’re serious. Careful though, don’t give away the farm on the first go. Leave a little room to give later. Ok, now players…don’t all freak out because the league didn’t bow to your every wish. Breathe. Breathe. Ok, now make a counter offer. See, it’s not so hard. Back and forth. Back and forth.
    _________________________________

    This presumes that the NFL didn’t give a meaninful proposal the last time around. To me, it seems like the NFL gave a pretty hardline proposal initially but move the ball and gave up alot prior to the expiration of the CBA. If I am the NFL, I am not going to treat this negotiate as if it is just starting. I am going to say…..hey we have already had to give, give, give on our end from where we originally started….now we need to see some movement on your side since you have totally refused our prior attempts to get a meaningful counteroffer from you.

    So in short I think the NFL shouldn’t negotiate against itself. Don’t bend until you see that the players are legitamately willing to compromise.

  31. Deb says: May 16, 2011 10:07 PM

    Thanks, bamasucks LOL

    Hi, dickroy! Hope you’re enjoying Mexico.

    Well, fellas, at least we’ll still have the SEC :)

  32. oldbyrd says: May 16, 2011 10:14 PM

    D SMITH certified dirtbag commie. How’s he working out for ya guys?

  33. footballfan292 says: May 16, 2011 10:19 PM

    Players will regain the leverage when Doty rules on the lockout insurance case.

    Wash, rinse, repeat. That’s what we will be faced with for at least a year. There will not be a 2011 season, folks.

  34. dryheaveone says: May 16, 2011 10:25 PM

    well, they do call this the rumor mill

  35. jaggedmark says: May 16, 2011 10:30 PM

    Rock, paper, scissors. That settles everything.

  36. commoncents says: May 16, 2011 10:32 PM

    Most players can’t last another week. This will be over soon.

  37. narutofan10 says: May 16, 2011 10:44 PM

    TIM says: May 16, 2011 9:36 PM

    The ruling that came today from the 8th circuit not only gave the owners the victory in the battle to keep the stay in place but they also stated in today’s statement that the owners are likely to win the verdict to overturn the liberal woman judge in Minnesota.
    —————————————–
    that is a conservative for you has to bring up that she is a woman like none of them can’t do anything except cook and clean seriously please be quiet and no i am not a liberal i am a little of both but seriously evolve it is 2011

  38. atmedic8daily says: May 17, 2011 12:43 AM

    Back & forth & back & forth…medic8 accordingly

  39. fedupsaintsfan says: May 17, 2011 8:41 AM

    Done. My season ticket has been “SOLD”

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