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Shutdown option confirmed

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Though it remains to be seen whether the NFL would respond to an order from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit lifting the lockout by shutting down all business operations, it’s becoming more and more clear that the option is on the table.

We mentioned eight days ago rumors that the owners are considering that path, if the appeals court determines that the lockout must end while the Tom Brady antitrust lawsuit proceeds.  NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell didn’t rule it out last week on PFT Live, even though an unnamed NFL source told ESPN’s Chris Mortensen that a shutdown won’t be happening.

Now, Daniel Kaplan of SportsBusiness Journal reports that the shutdown option has indeed been considered.

“While the courts might rule that the league cannot lock out a non-union workforce, the league could up the stakes by essentially locking everyone out, business-side too,” Kaplan writes in Monday’s SportsBusiness Daily.  “Sources who have talked to the NFL about the plans certainly do not describe them as definite but acknowledge that the idea of a complete shutdown has been considered.  Many outside the league see this as simply a threat, but the league’s strategy all along has been if the players don’t bend early to get the work stoppage into the regular season so game checks are missed.”

While it all could be a scare tactic, we think that consideration of the option gives the owners a chance to vent their frustrations.  And we don’t think they’ll use it.  But, as Kaplan points out, if the end game has been to deny players their game checks in the hopes of getting them to agree to the NFL’s terms, there’s a chance it will happen.

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92 Responses to “Shutdown option confirmed”
  1. jets2481 says: May 16, 2011 1:59 PM

    this would be bad

  2. jerseybaron says: May 16, 2011 2:00 PM

    Just do it. I’m sick of all this BS anyway.

  3. dwoofer says: May 16, 2011 2:00 PM

    Poor little owner babies. Mean old judge said we have to let the union use our doll house. Well, I’m gonna take my toys home and go to my room. Nyah.

  4. readimgram1 says: May 16, 2011 2:01 PM

    If I had a restaurant and I paid the highest rates in the industry and my employees forced me into court to demand I keep those rates regardless of a squeeze on my margins know what I would do?

    Close up shop and call it a day.

    It SUCKS but forcing the owners to do business any way their employees see fit seems CRAZY to me.

    I am not even on the idiot owners side, I just want them all to realize this is CRAZY!!!

    Please stop, sit down and work this out! Drop the personnel agendas, STOP puffing out your chests like you are Silverback gorillas and TALK!!!

    What is wrong with you people!

  5. Slim Charles says: May 16, 2011 2:01 PM

    These fat, greedy bastards are going to take your football away – anyone who supports the owners at this point has battered wife syndrome or is racist.

  6. richgannon says: May 16, 2011 2:03 PM

    Bring back the XFL if you dummies cant play nice.

  7. truvikingfan says: May 16, 2011 2:03 PM

    Fans lockout and shut down NFL: CONFIRMED!!!

  8. purpleman527 says: May 16, 2011 2:03 PM

    Well, the players have already played the “shut down” card by decertifying and then suing.

    The baseball playoffs and the world series may be in for their highest ratings of all time.

  9. mick730 says: May 16, 2011 2:04 PM

    “And we don’t think they’ll use it. ”

    What you really mean is you’re hoping and praying they don’t use it because if they do, you will more likely than not have to go back to being a paralegal in West Virginia.

  10. arrogantathlete says: May 16, 2011 2:05 PM

    I’m a huge college and NFL fan but my principles will never be superseded by a game. So to everyone that whines “All I want is football, I don’t care how they do it”, shut it down for the year. I can get my fix with college. If the NFL shuts down, I guarantee you the union, alliance, morons, whatever you want to call them will buckle like a belt. Don’t worry everyone will be back and they know it. The NFL is too awesome for people not to come back.

  11. seabreezes51 says: May 16, 2011 2:05 PM

    Shut it down, cancel all of the contracts.
    See how long the Golden Goose stays alive with all of these buttheads doing their best to kill it.
    Both sides suck

  12. obxastronaut says: May 16, 2011 2:05 PM

    I know I talk about the UFL way too much – but boy this could really help them survive…

  13. goawayeverybody says: May 16, 2011 2:06 PM

    Useless owners.

  14. chapnastier says: May 16, 2011 2:06 PM

    Once these guys miss checks, they’ll be right back to the table ready to come to a new agreement.

  15. therealsmiley says: May 16, 2011 2:06 PM

    Ok…shut it down but your cutting off your nose to spite your face. I think it will be very difficult to get the average NFL back into the fold the longer this lockout lasts. We’re going to punish the NFL (all involved) if you choose to punish us……and we can be unforgiving for a very long time. Just ask Major league Baseball. Hail!

  16. dryzzt23 says: May 16, 2011 2:06 PM

    I hope that the owners use the shutdown option. The employees/individual contractors aka “the players” should not be running the show, they own nothing and are responsible for nothing. The owners take all of the financial and legal risks, the players do not, therefore the players ARE NOT so called “partners” with the owners.

    After all if the NFLTA can de-certify (sham) and still attempt to legally steal money from the NFL in the form of legal damages, then the owners certainly have a valid path of recourse to shutdown football operations.

    Why should the players have every legal opportunity to force an end to the lockout when the owners (in case of a strike) are not afforded any legal recourse to force the players back to work?

    I am sure that the owners will weather this storm a lot better than the players will b/c the owners are businessmen and the players have no other viable skills outside of football.

  17. finsuppatsdown says: May 16, 2011 2:06 PM

    Although this to me is no laughing matter….The picture above made me laugh. Nice work.

  18. davekiid says: May 16, 2011 2:07 PM

    LETS GET BACK TO FOOTBALL ALREADY!!!!!!!!

  19. therealsmiley says: May 16, 2011 2:07 PM

    “average NFL fan”

  20. anarchopurplism says: May 16, 2011 2:11 PM

    In the words of the great Troy Hudson…..
    “Shu-sha, shu-sha, shu-sha SHUT EM DOWN! Shu-sha, shu-sha, shu-sha SHUT EM DOWN!”

    Logic defense to the decertify & sue anti-trust.

    Owners are in this for the long haul.

    Golf courses are going to make a lot more money this fall. If I ran a course, I’d be selling Sunday Lockout specials complete with beer to cry in post-round.

  21. carson9 says: May 16, 2011 2:12 PM

    It think if the 8th circuit lifts the lockouts, then the owners will shut down. And I agree with them if they do shut down. As a fan it sucks for this year, but would stablize the sport for years to come to prevent money hungry players from sucking up all of the revenues. If I told my hosptial director that 50% of all revenues should go to employees, then i would be laughed at. Right now most hospitals only spend 15% to 23% on payroll. The rest go to equipment replacement, medical studies, litigation, and covering the butts of the 14,000 people that visit our ER per year and don’t pay us. So to think that players deserve 50% is a joke.

  22. duanethomas says: May 16, 2011 2:12 PM

    Shut it down. All contracts will be null and void.

    Let the lawsuits begin in earnest against the owners from, cities, states, sponsors, networks, fans, players, and anybody that has a contract with the league or team……

    See how that option is not viable and will never happen.

  23. imongo says: May 16, 2011 2:13 PM

    UFL! UFL! UFL!…GO DESTROYERS!

  24. tommyf15 says: May 16, 2011 2:13 PM

    It’ll never happen.

  25. esg6string says: May 16, 2011 2:14 PM

    OK say they do this…is their anything stopping the players, former players, or other rich business men from starting a new league?

    Yeah I’m a fan of the ‘team’ but face it we’re not paying just to see their logos we’re paying to see the players. If they in mass start playing elsewhere and the NFL tries reopening with what passed as the talent in UFL which are you going to watch?

    Granted the biggest issue would be TV contracts and stadiums to play in but if they’re intent on killing the golden goose a silver chicken will probably rise in its place.

  26. killxswitch says: May 16, 2011 2:14 PM

    College football, ridiculous BCS rankings and NCAA rulings included, sounds pretty good right now. Both sides can go to hell.

  27. clayjayhawk says: May 16, 2011 2:15 PM

    So we are finally at the point to where the owners are admitting that they will choose to pay NOBODY at all just to prove their point. It’s nice to know that they really don’t value anyone’s lives but their own.

  28. iamtalkingsolistenandlearn says: May 16, 2011 2:18 PM

    Of course the owners will do it. It makes the most sense.

    There is no way the league will NOT do it if the courts lift the lockout. The owners know that the inmates will buckle once they start missing checks. Chris Collinsworth said
    “The only thing I’m absolutely certain of,” he told me, “is that there will be players broke by the middle of September.”

    He is right, and the owners are well aware of it and ready to take full advantage of it.

    There is no way in hell these owners will ever consider the current posse of hoodlums their “partners”
    These partners don’t put in one dollar towards purchases, operations and expenses, they only contribute to getting arrested, dressing, talking, and acting like fools, shooting themselves, and getting sued.

    The owners have read enough of Adrian Peterson’s statements, Rashard Mendenhalls’ statements, Derek Mason’s statements, seen chester Pitts comedy routine and they are gonna make the players pay dearly.

    I want to clarify once again.
    The players are EMPLOYEES. They ARE NOT “partners”. They do not own ANY portion of ANY team.
    The owners are the EMPLOYERS, the players work FOR the employers.
    If the players think they are not getting paid enough, are being overworked, think the working conditions are too much, then they can always GO FIND ANOTHER JOB!
    Maybe they can convince the Toyota factory to make them a “partner”
    Maybe the City will consider them a “partner” in the sewer division.

    The best decision for the inmates to make is to fire DEmo Smith. He is an outsider attorney and doesn’t give a hoot about him. he is only concerned with making a name for himself and fattening his wallet.
    Then bring in Troy Vincent and put him on a committee with Tony Gonzalez, Antonio Cromartie, Jeff Saturday, and Tony Richardson and have them locked in a hotel for 2 weeks.
    with Robert McNair, Ralph Wilson, Clark Hunt, Bobby Kraft, and Jerry Richardson

    That is your best option at this point inmates/players/”partners” if you don’t make that move it will only get worse, much worse for you

  29. bowsi says: May 16, 2011 2:20 PM

    Lots times you have to filter out the rhetoric, this would be one of those times.

  30. iamtalkingsolistenandlearn says: May 16, 2011 2:21 PM

    Chris Collinsworth quote wasmade to peter King

  31. giantrealist says: May 16, 2011 2:21 PM

    Must be a lot of Southern rebels on this site. Most of the thumbs up go to the owners. Any person who has been below the Mason Dixon Line is well aware that those people will defend to the death their right to work for peanuts.

    Maybe Adrian Peterson was partially correct? Slaves don’t earn millions of dollars. But the owners definitely have a Slave Owner’s attitude. And they realize the red necked confederates will take their side.

    What we need is another league to compete with the NFL. Imagine the owner’s shock when their best players up and sign with another team! Priceless.

  32. paulitik74 says: May 16, 2011 2:22 PM

    All this does is prove to me that the NFL owners never intended to negotiate until they had ultimate leverage.

    This even being considered as an option is infuriating.

  33. cbusbrownie says: May 16, 2011 2:23 PM

    Racist? Slim Charles, are you just looking for a reaction? You cannot be serious. Owners take away our football, someone backs them, so he/she is a racist. Really, your going to the race card on this issue? Your broad and insightful thinking is way to narrow for me dude.

  34. commoncents says: May 16, 2011 2:24 PM

    Suzie nelson gave D-Mo and the players beer muscles. if the owners can’t get the players to negotiate in good faith, then shut down. With all the threats of law suits and such, it is almost the only thing the owners can do to get the players to the table.

  35. Southpaw says: May 16, 2011 2:26 PM

    One side has to win the leverage battle in order for this to be resolved. The owners are a lot closer than the players, so just get it done with – let the lockout stay for good, let the owners have the leverage and get a shot at the sweetheart deal that the players got last go-round… get football back, and lets go.

  36. andrejohnsonforpresident says: May 16, 2011 2:31 PM

    I’m so sick of this. Now I don’t have the know how but I think someone that knows how to open up a legit webpage needs to. With the idea of it being that fans voice their opinions through letters, videos, songs even that the owners and players get the job done. No taking sides with either of them because they’re both to blame here. Lets organize and give them a date to get this done or we will boycott games this year. Not buy merchandise and not be a part of the nfl. Its time we stand up and say something!!!

  37. crubenst says: May 16, 2011 2:34 PM

    The object isn’t to “deny players their game checks in the hopes of getting them to agree to the NFL’s terms,” its to deyn players their game checks in the hopes of getting them to agree to NEGOTIATE! The A-hole D. Smith thinks he can use the leagues desire to maintain competitive balance against them in the courts so that the players get whatever they want! F them! No football until they negotiate a deal!!!!

  38. crubenst says: May 16, 2011 2:36 PM

    D. Smith’s logic : “If you want football with rules, you have to give us everything we want.”

    F U D. Smith

  39. nflfan101 says: May 16, 2011 2:36 PM

    Realistically, what is the NFL suppose to do if the court orders that the lockout be stopped?

    If the NFL makes any rules concerning player employment, the NFL will probably be in violation of anti-trust laws and thus risk their entire businesses on a future court decision.

    If the NFL does away with all player employment rules, then the NFL as we know it and love it, will be dead.

    THE ONLY OPTION will be to shut down everything until the anti-trust case is resolved.

    Thanks D. Smith.

    FACT: D. Smith walked out of CBA negotiations, decertified the union, had certain players file suit, did not attend at least one court ordered mediation, and now does not encourage any players to attend the current mediation.

    If fans, players and PTF really want football, then tell D. Smith to get his butt into negotiations.

  40. snowpea84 says: May 16, 2011 2:38 PM

    If things proceed as they have been, then what’s the point of running a business. The courts are jsut going to come in and saddle you with whatever restrictions they care to and just expect it all to keep working.

  41. jdvallee says: May 16, 2011 2:41 PM

    Well, from the owners perspective they can either continue with the bad deal that they agreed to last time and have their profit margin continue shrink anually while the players salaries rise anually, which will eventually lead to bankruptcy, or they can continue with the current lock-out, which will cause short term financial pain for them (and the players), but ensure the continued existance of the NFL game we’ve all come to know and love…
    By the way, the “racism” and “slavery” comments here are beyond ridiculous. Learn a little history before making ignorant statements that you obviously know nothing about.

  42. ashburninsider says: May 16, 2011 2:41 PM

    I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again. De Smith “The man who killed the NFL”

  43. nahcouldntbethat says: May 16, 2011 2:49 PM

    The NFL is not going to shutdown. Period.

    Only a maniac would choose to shutter a business producing as much revenue as the NFL does in the presence of any other viable options. There are not 24 maniacs in the NFL ownership ranks at this point and that’s what it would take to shut down the NFL in response to the court ruling against the owners.

    Just think of the potential landmines standing in the path of a complete shutdown. First, lots of teams owe lots of money to interests other than the players. Those interests would likely look at a shutdown as a prelude to bankruptcy by individual teams and would begin doing whatever they could to recover monies owed them. The NFl teams would be in court against a lot more than players at that point.

    Secondly, the value of the TV contracts would go way down in the face of a total shutdown. Legal departments at all the networks would be forced to look at those contracts and try to figure out how to proceed in the circumstances in which the NFL had essentially decided not to play football.

    There are so many unknowns there that it’s impossible to determine where the NFL and the networks would wind up. The networks might very viably conclude that the NFL had breached the existing contracts and effectively voided them. Think about what renegotiating those deals in 6 months might lead to if the NFL really damaged itself in other ways as this all played out.

    Basically only foolhardy people would shut down a 9 billion dollar business unless it really was losing money and that’s why the shutdown was occurring. If the NFL was really losing money or coming close to it they’d have opened their books in the CBA negotiating process to get some real leverage. They didn’t. They’re doing just fine and want to do better.

    The NFL is not going to shutter the business as a negotiating tactic. They’re not that dumb.

  44. duanethomas says: May 16, 2011 2:54 PM

    iamtalkingsolistenandlearn says:
    May 16, 2011 2:18 PM
    Then bring in Troy Vincent and put him on a committee with Tony Gonzalez, Antonio Cromartie, Jeff Saturday, and Tony Richardson and have them locked in a hotel for 2 weeks.
    with Robert McNair, Ralph Wilson, Clark Hunt, Bobby Kraft, and Jerry Richardson

    That statement shows what a joke you are, you bash the players at every turn but you hold Cromarties intellect in such high regard???

    Antonio Cromartie!?! Locked in a hotel for 2 weeks? Someone will end up pregnant. LOL!

    Now come on with your lame response about D. Smith, me loving the players, how you cant go into your job at the city landfill and ask for half the profits, etc…..

    BTW. Troy Smith presented at the same time as D. Smith to be President of the NFLPA and he was soundly defeated. The players dont trust him.

  45. goawayeverybody says: May 16, 2011 2:55 PM

    readimgram1 you are a moron. What shrinking margins are you refering to? Oh wait, the owners wouldn’t release their data, so you really have no idea what you are talking about.

  46. southbeachtalent says: May 16, 2011 2:59 PM

    no fantasy football?!?!?!!??!!!

    wow it is becoming a reality….

  47. mick730 says: May 16, 2011 3:03 PM

    “These fat, greedy bastards are going to take your football away – anyone who supports the owners at this point has battered wife syndrome or is racist.”

    Yet another one of the many racist comments posted by pro union people on this site. I honestly think that the race issue is what is driving a lot of the NFLPA support; a close second is the class envy issue, and a third is support of any labor union in general.

    Lastly are the nitwits who can’t think past this afternoon who scream, “me want my football now!”

  48. preludetosmack says: May 16, 2011 3:04 PM

    @nahcouldntbethat

    Write it the same way for the players…

    “The NFLPA is not going to decertify. Period.

    Only an idiot wrapped in a moron would choose to walk away from negotiations giving players as much cash as the NFL does in the presence of any other viable options. There are not 1015 idiots in the NFLPA ranks at this point and that’s what it would take to decertify the NFLPA in response to the owners latest offer.

    Just think of the potential landmines standing in the path of a complete shutdown. First, lots of players owe lots of money to lots of interests. Those interests would likely look at a decertification and lockout as a prelude to bankruptcy by individual players and would begin doing whatever they could to recover monies owed them. The NFl players would be in court against a lot more than owners at that point.

    Secondly, the value of the Endorsement deals would go way down in the face of a work stoppage. Legal departments at all the sportswear/sportsdrink/etc. companies would be forced to look at those contracts and try to figure out how to proceed in the circumstances in which the players had essentially decided not to play football. Nobody cares about guys who ‘used to’ play football, has-beens don’t sell product.

    There are so many unknowns there that it’s impossible to determine where the players and their endorsement deals would wind up. The companies might very viably conclude that the Players had breached the existing contracts and effectively voided them. Think about what renegotiating those deals in 6 months might lead to if the players really damaged itself in other ways as this all played out.”

    Yea, same shoe, different foot.

  49. mick730 says: May 16, 2011 3:04 PM

    “readimgram1 you are a moron. What shrinking margins are you refering to? Oh wait, the owners wouldn’t release their data, so you really have no idea what you are talking about.”

    Were I you, before I called anyone else a moron, I would take a few minutes to review the financial statements of the franchise in Green Bay.

  50. spaldingclan says: May 16, 2011 3:05 PM

    As much as I love the Pro Football, I don’t love the NFL…not anymore…they’ve spoiled it for me. I’ve gotten into following the MLS a ton lately (new team in Portland where I live) and I’m spending my hard earned money on going to every one of their games this season. That is money that I would have spent on season tickets to Seahawks games…not going to happen this year.

  51. goawayeverybody says: May 16, 2011 3:08 PM

    Please allow me to give a little Economics 101 for all the braindead idiots who understand nothing.

    Profit margins and profit amounts are not the same thing.

    For instance: Let’s say I own a bicycle company and I buy a bicycle for 50 dollars wholesale from a local provider and I sell it for 100 dollars to a customer. The profit margin is 100%, the profit amount is 50 dollars.

    Now let’s say I buy a top of the line bicycle for 80 wholesale and sell it for 140. The profit margin is 75% the profit amount is 60 dollars. The profit margin is smaller with the second transaction but the profit amount is bigger.

    This is the reason why the owners don’t want to open their books. They see that their profit margin is lower than it was in years’ past but with concession prices, advertising prices, ticket prices rising overall, their profit AMOUNTS are still rising. This is why this kerfuffle is all so absurd. The owners want to take back a bigger chunk of the percentage, ignoring the fact that their profit AMOUNT will continue to rise and was going to continue to rise because the NFL is so popular. The owners and everyone could have just skated along and everyone would have been just fine. But no. They had to get all whiny and try to give a PAY CUT to their employees during the MOST PROFITABLE TIME EVER in the NFL’s history.

  52. iamtalkingsolistenandlearn says: May 16, 2011 3:11 PM

    @duanethomas

    My lame reply is that I guarentee you and your lust for the players are the minority. So go back to your room plastered with Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Adrian Peterson posters, kiss your multiple fatheads ,and crawl in bed with your life size DEmo Smith blow up doll.

    The players voted in your ‘lover” but are already regretting it.
    can you dig it?

  53. bunjy96 says: May 16, 2011 3:12 PM

    Doesn’t the league have a right to cancel the season at some point?

    One legal point might be, too much risk of players safety, without adequate time to get into football shape.

  54. whitespeedreceiver says: May 16, 2011 3:14 PM

    While it would be crazy for the owners to go with the full shutdown, I don’t think I’d blame them. They tried going with the logical route but failed to realize they were negotiating with De Smith and the NFLPA, where logic has no applicable use.

  55. iamtalkingsolistenandlearn says: May 16, 2011 3:15 PM

    @duanethomas

    Troy Vincent you dumbarse.
    And Cromartie thinks for himself unlike you or the players you worship.
    So get back to work flipping those burgers, savethat hard earned money so you can buy your football trading cards

  56. evrybdyhas1 says: May 16, 2011 3:17 PM

    Think that is crazy? How about a shutdown while they reform as a corporation with each owner getting a class of stock per the value of their franchise, the fans can purchase another class or shares, the players are employees and paid whatever NFL Inc.wants to pay them until they form a union. Whew that’s crazy

  57. joe6606 says: May 16, 2011 3:21 PM

    Meh….

    A decision to completely shut down the NFL would arguably hurt employees of the teams OTHER than the players most severely.

    Anyone from the intern who makes all the photocopies for meetings to the high level executives could choose to find employment elsewhere.

  58. mick730 says: May 16, 2011 3:21 PM

    I’m curious as to why the NFLPA wants to see the last ten years of financial statements for each franchise when all they need to do to find out the information they are seeking is to ask “goawayeverybody” . He seems to know every financial detail about all of the NFL teams, except of course Green Bay; the one team whose “books” are available for public viewing but which “goawayeverybody” ovbviously hasn’t bothered to review.

  59. badgerboy4 says: May 16, 2011 3:29 PM

    I can not believe how many pro-owner morons are out there. Anyone who can’t see that this is 100% caused by the greed of the owners is simply stupid (I am surprised they can read and write actually–good for you guys)

    The owners voted to opt out of the CBA–that was the cause of this. It can not be disputed because it is a fact. Really pretty simple. Had they not opted out, football would be running along like normal.

    Plus, no one buys Jerry Richardson jerseys, no on comes to see Jerry Jones throw for 300 yards and no one drafts Ralph Wilson for their FF teams.

    The players are indeed a partner in the NFL because the NFL is not like other businesses such as a restaurant–it is a freakin’ monopoly!

    The only reason the owner’s profit margin’s have shrunk is because of the economy! Everyone has done worse for the last few years, but the owner’s STILL make a very healthy profit (at least the Packers do since they are the only team that has to release it’s detailed financial records).

    And please, stop with defending the greedy owners by saying they have to build stadiums–I don’t think that there has ever been one stadium that did not receive assistance from the taxpayers.

    So please, all you idiots who are taking the owners side in this–shut up and go spout your idiotic anti-union rhetoric on to Hannity or Beck.

  60. realitypolice says: May 16, 2011 3:29 PM

    mick730 says:
    May 16, 2011 3:04 PM
    “readimgram1 you are a moron. What shrinking margins are you refering to? Oh wait, the owners wouldn’t release their data, so you really have no idea what you are talking about.”

    Were I you, before I called anyone else a moron, I would take a few minutes to review the financial statements of the franchise in Green Bay.
    ==============

    Doesn’t strike you funny that the league points to the franchise with by far the smallest market that generates as much revenue in a year with their stadium as Jerry Jones does in one game as evidence of shrinking profits?

    A town that has no other major pro sports franchises or even an affiliated minor league team?

    Nope. You just swallow it hook, line, and sinker.

    Fans like you are the NFL’s wet dream.

  61. butch815 says: May 16, 2011 3:30 PM

    Those who write the checks, make the rules!

  62. rajbais says: May 16, 2011 3:36 PM

    Those who are pro shutdown = a$$h0le$!!!

  63. iamtalkingsolistenandlearn says: May 16, 2011 3:36 PM

    Duanethomas says
    “Antonio Cromartie!?! Locked in a hotel for 2 weeks? Someone will end up pregnant. LOL!

    *********************************

    Yea, your momma
    LMAO!

  64. Deb says: May 16, 2011 3:42 PM

    Heaven help me, but I’m beginning to just hate these people.

  65. 82quick6 says: May 16, 2011 3:43 PM

    Were I you, before I called anyone else a moron, I would take a few minutes to review the financial statements of the franchise in Green Bay.

    ______________________________________

    If anyone knows where I can find a copy of the financial statements, please let me know! I’ve reviewed their press release and management’s comments, and while the summary paints an alarming picture, full disclosure may or may not paint a different picture…

  66. theembalmed says: May 16, 2011 3:44 PM

    Shutting it all down is what the owners should have done on day one.
    As much as it hurts to say it, anyone employeed by the NFL owners should have gotten a pink slip the day the NFLPA decertified but didnt really disappear.

    Contracts null and void, all employees down to the vendors go unemployed, and sit back and wait till the players realize they aren’t the ones running the buisness.

    Its not the owners fault and its not goodells fault. Its the fault of the players and Tagliabue for pushing through the pathetic 2 year extension of the CBA so his legacy wouldnt end in a work stoppage.

    So if the owners were the smart buisnessmen that they proclaim themselves to be then they should cease and dessist any and all NFL operations and paychecks until the players commit to barginning in good faith unlike they have been while waiting for the court to pat their asses.

  67. iamtalkingsolistenandlearn says: May 16, 2011 3:55 PM

    @duanethomas

    where did you go? go slinker back to bed with your DEmo doll?
    Flip those burgers biatch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Look at the thumbs up/down ratios you loser

  68. packno4gb says: May 16, 2011 4:11 PM

    I understand that this is getting very frustrating for the fans and the owners look like pigs, but if the players want more from the owners why aren’t the owners asking for part of the players endorsements. Remember that without the owners the players would have ZERO endorsement deals

  69. eramming says: May 16, 2011 4:11 PM

    The real losers are the front office emloyees making 40k a year. If the owners shut it down these people lose everything.

  70. willycents says: May 16, 2011 4:14 PM

    @ iamtalkingsolistenandlearn

    Hey guy, if you want this labor thing to get over with and football to be back for we fans, you have to treat the players posting here with RESPECT!!!!! The owners dis-respecting them led to all this stuff. Playas like duanethomas, tommyf15, and a few more have to be RESPECTED or this bs will go on forever.

  71. locutus says: May 16, 2011 4:21 PM

    Say it, iamtalkingsolistenandlearn! Say it loud and say it often! Great comments, per usual.

    Now, I don’t have anything against ALL the players as many are just normal kids that are being used for ulterior motives by POS. With that said, you can’t let them run things because kids do not know any better and they will, more often than not, run things into the ground. Time for the adults to take back control.

  72. readimgram1 says: May 16, 2011 4:21 PM

    @Realitypolice and Goawayeverybody.

    Please read the post a bit more objectivly. All I said was IF I was in that situation and had to make that decision that is what I would do. I have no access to their books and can not confirm the situation.

    The main point of my post was to say there is ALOT of money being made and instead of puffing out their chests and acting like idiots BOTH SIDES should return to the table and talk this dang thing out. I had hoped that would be evident in my “idiot owners” comment.

    NOTHING positive will come of this posturing and vying for leverage.

    The owners are crying shrinking margins and profits versus player costs.

    The players are whining that they want the old deal which they agreed was good for them.

    The solution is to sit down like humans and talk about an equitable solution to solve this dispute.

    Until they put their prides in check and talk this is going to keep getting UGLIER.

    I say again WHAT IS WRONG WITH THEM!! STOP it now!! For the good of the game and the fans!!

  73. nahcouldntbethat says: May 16, 2011 4:30 PM

    @preludetosmack

    Apples and oranges. The players cannot choose to shutdown the NFL and they didn’t. They de-certified as a union to change the point of negotiations from the bargaining table to the courts.

    The lockout was a response to that. Still no harm no foul essentially.

    A full shutdown of the NFL does not equate to either the de-certification or the lockout. It equates to going out of business. Because the circumstances that caused it will still be in play whenever they try to start back up again. It’s not like the players wil choose not to go after the anti-trust stuff if the owners shut things down and open them up again in a year or two. They’ll still be suing for the right to a free market and still likely winning.

    The owners on the other hand will have major financial obligations that have to be met in the interim and likely few sources of revenue to meet them.

    A de-certification happened. A lockout happened. The NFL going out of business on a plan will not. There’s just too much mitigating against it.

  74. shutupandbehappy says: May 16, 2011 4:35 PM

    If the NFL decides to shut down, what’s to stop the players from starting their own new league?

    If Drew Brees started the New Orleans Sinners and Payton Manning started the Indianapolis Ponies, etc, add in some start up cash from Venture Capitalists or others, rent some college stadiums, sign a deal with TNT and run it as an employee owned business. If they get on it soon, they could be playing football by labor day.

  75. iamtalkingsolistenandlearn says: May 16, 2011 4:36 PM

    @willycents

    I hear ya. you are correct.
    But can i just PRETEND to act like I respect these players posting here?

    i mean if duanethomas and tommy15 and the other players are posting here under disguise, they really don’t deserve ACTUAL respect.

    But i will pretend i respect the future “partners” of the league. *wink wink*

  76. iamtalkingsolistenandlearn says: May 16, 2011 4:37 PM

    @locutus

    EXACTLY!

    It would be like turning the home over to your teenagers and letting them run the household

  77. mick730 says: May 16, 2011 4:38 PM

    “Doesn’t strike you funny that the league points to the franchise with by far the smallest market that generates as much revenue in a year with their stadium as Jerry Jones does in one game as evidence of shrinking profits?

    A town that has no other major pro sports franchises or even an affiliated minor league team?

    Nope. You just swallow it hook, line, and sinker.

    Fans like you are the NFL’s wet dream.”

    You can try and sarcastically spin this as fast as you can, but the reason the Packers books are pointed to is that being a Public Corp, the Packers books are the only ones open to be reviewed by the public.

    As to the rest of your rant, as usual, you make no sense. While it is true that Green Bay is the smallest market, the Packers ranked 11th in the league in terms of local revenue generation. Here’s another fact for you; the Packers are a net payer in the revenue sharing arrangement in the NFL; they pay out, they do not receive.

    Want some more? For fiscal 2006, the Packers net profit was 35.8 million dollars. For fiscal 2010, the net profit number was 5.2 million dollars. This despite having the youngest team in the league for all of those years and for being the team that probably spends the least on other team’s free agents.

    There are no family employees of the owner in Green Bay, no hidden expenses, no luxury jets flying off for private vacations; the Packers are a nonprofit entity and to keep that classification, they must adhere to severe IRS requirements and are under heavy scrutiny at all times.

    So, as usual, your rants are just blowing off make believe hot air as you know next to nothing.

  78. tompapp1 says: May 16, 2011 4:40 PM

    It appears to me the pro owners contingent has just about lost whatever ability they have at rational thought by supporting a possible shutdown. The players move outside of negotiating have been aimed at keeping the status quo including getting ready for and playing the season. The compassionate genius owners apparently are giving serious consideration to cutting off the paychecks of all the nobodies working in their front offices to get more money. Their previous actions and this latest possibility lead an objective person to conclude they are as befits their lot in life all about power and money. However things like maintaining the integrity of the NFL and heaven forbid doing the right thing are way under their radar.

  79. mystictate says: May 16, 2011 4:53 PM

    I see all these IDOITS saying if the NFL shuts down someone will open another league!! And who are they going to find to fund their 4.5 billion payroll that they feel they deserve? Sorry not going to happen!!!!!

  80. discostu570 says: May 16, 2011 5:03 PM

    Is the UFL paying attention to any of this? They might want to get the word out that if groups of fifty or so players want to organize themselves into teams, they can easily make a few phone calls and find empty stadiums to play some games in on Sundays this fall. They also have the necessary contacts in the media to land acceptable television contracts, and have plenty of coaches who know the names and phone numbers of other coaches who will also be available to work sundays. Even better, they don’t have a crew of cranky old rich dudes hellbent on increasing the value of their already super valuable assets.

    UFL sounds just as good to me as NFL. I don’t even care what the team names are, as long as we keep getting that good stuff on Sundays, we’ll all get used to the peripheral changes real quick.

    If the NFL owners really decide to walk away from this game, it’s not like the rest of us wouldn’t all jump at the chance to take their place. They can kill the brand, but they can’t kill the game.

  81. bpjensen says: May 16, 2011 5:03 PM

    We have to shutdown the NFL because if we don’t, we’ll have to shutdown the NFL. Makes sense.

  82. tommyf15 says: May 16, 2011 5:09 PM

    willycents says:
    you have to treat the players posting here with RESPECT!!!!! The owners dis-respecting them led to all this stuff. Playas like duanethomas, tommyf15

    I’m not a football player :)

  83. mike106 says: May 16, 2011 5:16 PM

    This is why we need the USFL to come back…We need football options…I loved the New Orleans Breakers…Houston Gamblers… La Express…they really had some great ball players..

  84. sfsaintsfan says: May 16, 2011 5:16 PM

    I think there is a better than 50/50 chance that there will be no 2011 NFL Season.

    The last time the players took the owners to the cleaners and the economy was great. Now the economy sucks for everyone, especially the owners. The players did not take a pay cut last year, I bet most teams made less profit in 2010 than they did in 2009.

    Look at the two sides here:

    1) The players are led by nobody, they have nobody who can strike a deal, they have no union, they have no non-union leadership that has authority to negotiate a deal. They want a great deal, nearly as good as they got last time.

    2) The owners, for the most part, are billionaires (real billionaires, not people who make over $250K per year) and can wait out the players for a year and reach a great deal as payback for decertification of the union.

    The amount of total profit the owners would make over the next 6-10 years by reaching a killer deal by squeezing the players for every last nickle may be too tempting for them to pass up. No NFL Season in 2011. I wonder how many players will go bankrupt? I can pretty much ensure that the percentage will be much higher than the owners who BK. (The Glazers may go under anyway.)

  85. oldbyrd says: May 16, 2011 5:29 PM

    Personaly If I were doing this…..I would have a system where as the players can buy stock in the NFL, A system where the owners also pay a portion. I would like to see something like the business world. This pay me or I stop playing isn’t working. An independent group to decide a fair amount of profits to go back into the players nest egg. No matter how this comes out, the fact is that 80% of the players retire broke. The players should be given an opportunity to invest in the NFL. Like a stock the more your shares are worth the more you have to take out. Love the game ? make this one all and only about football.

  86. freedoginit says: May 16, 2011 5:31 PM

    Lets play SOCCER….The REAL FB…..

  87. scudwerths says: May 16, 2011 5:50 PM

    can the NFL shut down for a day and re-open as the NFL*? and then enter into a new labor agreement with the NFL*PA?

  88. panchosmith says: May 16, 2011 5:53 PM

    The owners really have no choice but to cease operations if the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals stops the lockout.

    Any attempt to impose league-wide rules if the lockout is lifted will certainly only trigger additional antitrust lawsuits with the potential to cost the NFL treble damages in the billions and soaring legal costs for years to come.

    Short of shutting down the NFL as we know it, and reorganizing it into a single corporation with 32 divisions, the only other option is to give up control of the game fans love to the courts, lawyers, agents, and players (who on average are in the league for less than four years), and face a certain lose-lose situation.

    Better to fold the tent, incur a one-time cost of settling up existing contracts, and move forward.

    By terminating the association of 32 separate businesses and reopening as a single corporation (or something like that), the new version of the NFL would be free to set broad rules that would govern a draft, free agency, and parity between teams, the very cornerstones of the only successful, enduring professional football league in history.

    The new NFL entity would also be free to negotiate media, merchandise, and municipal contracts and recognize a player union (there currently is no professional football player’s union).

    In the future, if that union decided to decertify, the new league would not be vulnerable to instant antitrust charges.

    A new NFL could hit the ground running. After all, there would be a large number of former NFL owner-investors who love the game and who would quickly be willing to invest in new professional football organization that wouldn’t be easily subject to player blackmail via the court system.

    This new NFL organization would undoubtedly offer players competitive labor contracts, and top-notch staffs and facilities that would be difficult to match. And it could do this under the same legal rules that govern any other business, without never-ending court interference.

    Players would still be free to sign with competing professional football organizations, as they are now.

    From the perspective of a long-term professional football fan, it would be better to suspend operations during reorganization, even if it meant losing a season, rather than watch the current NLF league be forced to abandon the draft, free agency and parity by players, lawyers, judges, and the whims of Congress.

    This current dispute has gone a long, long way beyond divvying up future revenues. Players and their lawyers are threatening the very heart of the game fans love. Big, big mistake.

    If the NFLPA had agreed to another extension of federally mediated contract talks on the basis of the owner’s last offer, no current player or retiree would have lost money or taken a pay cut. In fact, they all would have made more money, received better benefits and enjoyed better working conditions.

    The only people who would have “suffered a pay cut” would have been rookies who have never played a single down and are vastly overpaid by anyone’s definition.

    Instead DeMaurice Smith managed to convince players that it would be in their best interests to decertify and litigate instead of negotiate. Time will tell if the players made the best choice or if they shot themselves in both feet, both hands and the head.

  89. Deb says: May 16, 2011 6:09 PM

    @shutupandbehappy …

    Assuming the players could go out and start their own league is as ridiculous as assuming the owners can start over with scrubs. Where do you suppose these players will hold these games? Local vacant lots? And who will they get to handle ticket sales and concessions? Liquor licenses–or were you thinking the boys here would enjoy the games beer-free? Where are they going to get the uniforms, pads, trainers, and other equipment? You do realize all that belongs to the owners, right? Then there’s all that liability, not only for the players but for the fans sitting in the nonexistent bleachers in those local vacant lots. I’ll grant you the officiating has been pretty sorry the last few years, but you still need refs–if for nothing else than to signal the opening kickoff. Oh, and who’s going to coach these guys? The coaching staffs go with the owners, too.

    Whether or not they want to admit it, these idiots need each other.

  90. duanethomas says: May 16, 2011 6:53 PM

    I’m not a player….I just crush a lot. :)

  91. nahcouldntbethat says: May 16, 2011 7:37 PM

    @panchosmith

    And under your scenario Mike Brown and Jerry Jones would make the same amount of money as equal shareholders in the NFL.

    Guess what…

    Yeah, never going to happen.

  92. smchristensen says: May 17, 2011 11:00 AM

    People talk about how difficult it will be for the league to get the “average NFL fan” back in the fold. I guarantee you the average NFL fan is not reading these stories and not paying attention to the news on either side. They’ll tune in around the beginning of August and say “oh crap, where’s my football?”. They’ll be frustrated for a while, go do something else for the season and come back next year. It won’t hurt the NFL at all unless you’re a season ticket holder, but that isn’t the average NFL fan.

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