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Mediation breaks until June

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It was an interesting couple of days, but once again the mediation session between the NFL and the players is on hiatus.

Albert Breer of NFL Network reports that the talks have ended after two days.  The good news, if there is any, is that this round of talks wasn’t scheduled to last more than two days.

NFL general counsel Jeff Pash told Breer that mediation will resume in June, after the June 3 hearing before the Eighth Circuit on the appeal of Judge Nelson’s ruling lifting the lockout.

By then, Judge David Doty likely will have issued a ruling on the “lockout insurance” damages.  Though that decision also will be subject to appeal by the Eighth Circuit, it could help the two sides better understand the total financial portion of what would be a fair labor deal, especially in the short term.

And so we’ll return to covering, well, nothing.  Unless someone else wants to ride a bull for 1.5 (nano)seconds.

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  1. nyctexan says: May 17, 2011 2:38 PM

    OYE!!

  2. citizenstrange says: May 17, 2011 2:38 PM

    Dang! That’s the LAST time I let Carl Eller get my hopes up.

  3. prior0knowledge says: May 17, 2011 2:39 PM

    Did the players respond to the owner’s offer?

  4. chapnastier says: May 17, 2011 2:40 PM

    Glad to see the players made a counter offer again!

  5. jerseybaron says: May 17, 2011 2:40 PM

    Good.

  6. warmachine2112 says: May 17, 2011 2:40 PM

    So again it appears that the League/Owners made an offer and the players waited for a second braincell to turn up and thus create enough neural activity to produce a counter offer.

    The best they could manage was “Mawae not know DeMaurice’s plan. Mawae only pawn in game of life!”.

  7. jmphinsfan says: May 17, 2011 2:40 PM

    if it takes me riding a dozen bulls to get this whole thing over with, i will GLADLY do it.

    ugh.. my head hurts.

  8. seabreezes51 says: May 17, 2011 2:41 PM

    I think we have seen more than enough “bull riding”

  9. iamtalkingsolistenandlearn says: May 17, 2011 2:41 PM

    Another day closer to players missing a paycheck.
    Another day closer to players waking up and firing the ambulance chaser
    Another day closer to rubbing it in the pro-players faces

    LIFE IS GOOD!!!!!

  10. RexCanCoach says: May 17, 2011 2:42 PM

    I am quite sure we won’t hear any news of any real progress until early August.

    Thinking that the NFL will get in 2 preseason games and keep regular season intact.

    So be prepared for a LOT of injuries and a huge advantage to teams with well established coaching staffs, QB’s and offensive lines.

    Or just plan to focus more on college football and watch the NFL screw itself into a 6-ft deep pit of despair in 2011.

  11. citizenstrange says: May 17, 2011 2:42 PM

    Add to previous: I’m afraid that Carl Eller just Jim Wexelled us.

  12. ilovefoolsball says: May 17, 2011 2:43 PM

    Great more stories about tweeting and player organized workouts.

    Joy.

  13. downsouth49er says: May 17, 2011 2:44 PM

    Is it time for game 2 of the Heats vs Bulls yet? CHI-CA-GOOOOOOOOOO

  14. chuckcecil says: May 17, 2011 2:45 PM

    Cue the SPAM

  15. touchdownroddywhite says: May 17, 2011 2:46 PM

    Who cares how long mediation was scheduled? Do grown adults honestly need somebody to tell them how to conduct themselves in order to talk to other grown adults and negotiate?

    Here’s a novel thought: Every should put on their “big boy pants” and decide to do the right thing on their own. They’re wasting more than two weeks twiddling their thumbs again.

    So, will the pro-player commenters please remind me who it is, exactly, that is interested in negotiating? Seems to me that when it comes to “offers” and “counter-offers”, also known as negotatiation, the owners are the only ones participating.

  16. captainwisdom8888 says: May 17, 2011 2:47 PM

    I can just look at Demaurice Smith and know he’s to blame…look at him.

  17. willycents says: May 17, 2011 2:48 PM

    “The players response to the owners offer was to walk out of the negotiations and de-certify.”

    DeMo Smith states “This offer is the worst offer in the history of the human species. It makes their last offer look like the Magna Carta.”

    PFT asks “What were the particular items in the offer that you object so emphatically to that could not be negotiated?”

    DeMo says “All of them, there were so many big words in the first sentence I could not understand so I never read the any of it.”

    PFT says “Owners put so many complexities in the proposal that the players were unable to agree to any portions of the proposal.”
    :)

  18. olskool711 says: May 17, 2011 2:48 PM

    What did the owners put on the table?

    Why wouldn’t it benefit the players to give us an outline of exactly what they put on the table?

    Why?

    Tell us EXACTLY what the owners put on the table!

  19. whodeykid58 says: May 17, 2011 2:48 PM

    This is BS…… Why are they trying to destroy a good thing. DeBag Smith and the Commish need to get this done and get football back on track.

    THIS IS GETTING OLD!!!!

  20. gregjennings85 says: May 17, 2011 2:49 PM

    I don’t get the anti-player sentiment.

    In my mind, they are both guilty of greed.

    And for those of you who say, “listen, the owners, as great businessmen, have earned the right to do whatever they want with their league.”, I say: I could be a ‘great businessman’, as well, if I was handed 20 million dollars from daddy to start a business.

    Both sides – GET THIS DONE.

  21. thereisalwaysnextyear says: May 17, 2011 2:49 PM

    Pathetic.

  22. zoxitic says: May 17, 2011 2:50 PM

    Okay UFL, let’s see what you got.

  23. nfl25 says: May 17, 2011 2:51 PM

    The players are driving me nuts. I was always on the side of ownership but I understood the players wanted to try to get as much as they possibly could. But it comes to a point where you have to just negotiate a deal. Maybe DSmith is polluting their minds. The players wont budge until they know they don’t have 1 ounce of leverage left.

    What makes me mad is the players have nothing to lose until they start missing paychecks. They don’t care if there is no training camp. And anyone who think the players care about the quality of play on the field, you are dreaming. They get paid no matter what. The owners are the ones who have everything to lose, and the players know this. The players will start negotiating 4 weeks before the 1st game is scheduled. How can anyone side with the players over the game?

  24. possiblecabbage says: May 17, 2011 2:57 PM

    “And so we’ll return to covering, well, nothing”

    Don’t feel too bad Mike, within a week or so an NFL player will do or say something stupid and we can talk about that.

  25. killxswitch says: May 17, 2011 2:57 PM

    touchdownroddywhite says: May 17, 2011 2:46 PM

    …So, will the pro-player commenters please remind me who it is, exactly, that is interested in negotiating? Seems to me that when it comes to “offers” and “counter-offers”, also known as negotatiation, the owners are the only ones participating.

    I doubt the players are involved enough for it to matter if they’re interested in negotiating. They made a mistake in hiring D Smith and his team of dorks, who appear to be more interested in litigating than getting football back in business.

    I don’t like some of the things the owners have said or done so far but the players appear to be completely disconnected from this situation. They just threw money at a guy they hoped they could trust and sat down to wait. Looks like it was the wrong move. Eventually someone will poke his head up and say “Hey, this Smith guy is a clown, why are we following him?”

  26. aubdogg says: May 17, 2011 2:59 PM

    This lockout needs to end so I can stop trying to figure out the “infield fly” rule, try without much success to see a black circular object be pushed around by guys on skates with sticks and watching the ugliest people on the planet put a ball in a basket (the monsters that play in the NBA need to put on ski masks or something, the NFL has helmets for a reason).

  27. topshelf1988 says: May 17, 2011 3:01 PM

    There was NO offer from the owners yesterday. It was a summary of where the owners thought both sides were. Again, NO offer was made by the owners yesterday. Why does anyone think there was?

  28. nflsucker says: May 17, 2011 3:01 PM

    I’ve suffered from insomnia for years. Now I can read about the stupid owners and players and lawyers and judges this spring, and it puts me right to sleep.

  29. chuckcecil says: May 17, 2011 3:01 PM

    While the paid Spammers Spam, lets remember what this is all about.

    Drew Magary:

    “A few years ago, the players and owners agreed to a new CBA, with only Ralph Wilson and Mike Brown voting against the agreement, in Wilson’s case because he’s old and easily confused by things.

    Then, almost immediately after that agreement was approved, all the other owners suddenly decided WHOA HEY! THIS AGREEMENT BLOWS! And so, this March, they opted out of that agreement and locked out the players.”

    In short, the owners are a bunch of unscrupulous silver spoon crybabies.

    The rest is just obfuscation.

  30. commoncents says: May 17, 2011 3:02 PM

    The longer this goes, the more right the owners have to pull their offer and reduce it, to account for the damage to the revenue stream.

    Remember players, irreperable harm. I hope you choke on it when it gets stuffed down your damn throats! It’s what you deserve for not negotiating.

  31. touchdownroddywhite says: May 17, 2011 3:05 PM

    @killxswitch –

    As sad as it is to say this, your reasoning is the best defense of the players I have heard yet. The sad part isn’t that it’s your reasoning that makes sense; the sad part is that the best defense for the players that I have seen is pleading them as ignorant.

    Ps. Please take that in context and don’t assume I’m calling players stupid guys.

    Thanks.

  32. schemefactory says: May 17, 2011 3:08 PM

    what was wrong with the old CBA? didn’t the game grow and become whay it is under that?

  33. willycents says: May 17, 2011 3:10 PM

    nfl25 says:May 17, 2011 2:51 PM

    The owners are the ones who have everything to lose, and the players know this. The players will start negotiating 4 weeks before the 1st game is scheduled.
    —————————————————–

    dead on the money. One more reason, and the major one, is why the owners are willing to jeopardize the season. Both sides will then be at risk of losing a heck of a lot of dinero, with the players far more likely to end up tits-up financially.
    The benefit financially to we fans is we will have more disposable income to spend because there will be no outlays to suposrt either side, except the pro player folks, and they will donate the sum they would have spent on the NFL as a whole directly to the players.
    Perhaps they should set up a Red Cross type system where donations can be sent directly for disbursement to the players. I am certain there are some on here who feel such pity for those poor slave that they would gladly donate the cost of season tickets directly to the players.

  34. redsghost says: May 17, 2011 3:11 PM

    I fully expect that between now and Jun 3rd, the Players side will craft together a counteroffer, but I also fully expect them to wait until June 3rd’s results. After that point, if the players don’t have a counteroffer then the Owners have them by their ……….

  35. hendawg21 says: May 17, 2011 3:13 PM

    Owners- let’s let this thing drag out for as long as we can and once the players really start feeling the pain of no pay check they’ll be back…

    Players- DeDirtbag you sure you know what you’re doing? I’m not into losing my cash…

    DeSmith should’ve gotten the role on Seinfeld as Kramers lawyer…

  36. jasonfinfan says: May 17, 2011 3:13 PM

    The only way for the players to gain a position of strength is to switch strategies to a crazy one..

    Have all the big name players sign with the UFL this year.. After the UFL Ratings boost at years end, you start having the UFL pay players comparably to NFL salarys.

    The NFL would crap its pants and cave to have the players back.. It would be good for a long term players strategy. Its the same employed by soccer leagues.. Its called Competition. When do you hear about the English soccer league striking?? Never because they would all go sign with Spain,Italian, or French Leagues.

    In all other modern day strikes employees usually win if their is viable competition available to threaten Company A’s existence and revenue.

  37. realitypolice says: May 17, 2011 3:14 PM

    ***********BREAKING NEWS*****************

    Adam Schefter is reporting that a group of players has commissioned Doc Brown to build a fleet of buses equipped with upgraded 2.5 gigawatt Flux Capacitors.

    They plan on loading all NFL players on the buses, accelerate the buses to 88 miles per hour, and travel back in time to the exact moment when they were about to cast their votes for NFLPA Executive Director.

    They will then all change their ballots and elect Troy Vincent, like they now realize they should have done the first time.

  38. 2011to2020lions says: May 17, 2011 3:18 PM

    The Players who have a name on this lawsuit can kiss the backside of my tail end. I have reached the point where I don’t care if we have football or not. Yes I would love it, but since they want to be so stupid about it, who cares anymore.

  39. sl1111 says: May 17, 2011 3:19 PM

    Why do people keep complaining that the players haven’t made a counter-offer?

    The players made their counter-offer during the season, after the season, and throughout this whole process. Here is what the players proposed: “keep the CBA as it was.” That was their counter-offer to the owners who offered this gem as their offer: “we want a bigger piece of the pie.”

    Ok, so your boss comes in and says he’s making a ton of money, but can’t figure out how to split it with his partners (ie revenue sharing, which most recognize to be the real problem regarding the long term health and competitiveness of the league) and instead of messing with that complicated issue says to you “I’ve decided to reduce your future earnings.” Then he says – if you don’t agree, “I’ll lock you out of the building”. Should you respond (a) “ok take whatever you want or (b) “ok, but how about you only take half of what you wanted to take from me”. [remember – everyone knew that the owners were going to lock out the players after the season no matter what the players did – look it up it was widely reported – does that mean their negotiations all along were a “sham” too?].

    Everyone on this site acts like players should be happy with answer (b) from above as if that is how negotiations should go. But wait – this isn’t two people bargaining over the sale of a car. One doesn’t start high, the other low, and they meet in the middle.

    This is an employer who said “I want more of the money and to get it, I’ll lock you out of the building and put your career on hold” – but the funny thing is, he only gets that money from a sweet deal given by the United States called an “anti-trust exemption.” Guess what, that sweet deal only exists if there is a union to work with. Guess what – unions are made up of people. And those people can protect their careers by decertifying to prevent employers from enjoying anti-trust exemptions and locking out players at the same time to create insurmountable leverage over them. [you can read several legal cases on that point].

    If the players feel that the owner’s “offer” was illegal, or unfair, or whatever – WHY do they have to propose a counter-offer that says – ok, reduce our future earnings by 50% of whatever your offer was.

    You all know that the owners’ latest offer would kill players future earnings right (in terms of pegged growth)? Instead, the players saw that they were going to be locked out regardless, so they decertified, and are fighting to keep what they thought was a fair income level.

    You all may disagree with their approach, or whether the amount they are paid is fair, or whatever – but why all this talk about a counter-offer. This is their job. They could ONLY protect themselves in court. Unless they flatly agreed to take a haircut off the bat. Would any of you have done that? “OK boss – I know you can’t figure out how to split a huge chunk of change – so go ahead and cut my pay.”

    Guess what – these guys don’t have the type of job you have. You are replaceable. Good luck finding the to 50 – 100 guys in this game again. If it were easy – every draft would be a success and every college kid would be in the pros. It’s not easy to find elite talent. Guess why we watch – the elite talent. The owners need them – your boss may not need you. So yes – you’d probably take a pay cut, but the football guys – they can fight it.

    And even though many of you make fun of them for merely playing a “game” – I’d like you to also realize that they do something that not a lot of people can do, and earn good money doing it –– that is the capitalistic society you live in – where carrot top can make a bunch of money being a weirdo – and tom brady can make a bunch of money throwing a ball. Why, because WE pay them to. So maybe we could get over the fact that they play football for money. No one will pay you to throw a football. So get over it. I digress….

  40. billybats says: May 17, 2011 3:20 PM

    Let me break it down for you pro-player types, in a way that even you can understand:

    Goodell = Hammer

    DeMaurice = Tool

  41. jasonfinfan says: May 17, 2011 3:20 PM

    The Owners who rebarred their doors can kiss the backside of my tail end. What is wrong with inseason negotiations?

  42. eslaught says: May 17, 2011 3:24 PM

    At least the AFL is still playing and Marty Ball is in the UFL. I’m covered. These turd players and their representatives have ruined the NFL for me.

  43. paul82461 says: May 17, 2011 3:25 PM

    Well I guess Ill be the first to start a Fantasy Bull Riding League or maybe a Fantasy Firestone Bowling League. C’mon guys get your act together.

  44. bangyourhead4 says: May 17, 2011 3:26 PM

    Both Sides Are Like Two Spoiled Brats!

  45. nflfan101 says: May 17, 2011 3:27 PM

    Surprise, surprise, surprise! No, not really. D. Smith does not want and will not negotiate. There was not a breakthrough.

    This mess will not be resolved in June or any time soon. D. Smith is determined to go all the way with litigation including the anti-trust case.

    If the NFL wins in June, the lockout will continue and D. Smith will have the players appeal. If the players win in June, the NFL will appeal, and if that doesn’t work, the NFL will shut down. Either way, the anti-trust case continues and there will not be any NFL football while it is pending.

    I have seen cases like this where one lawyer will not negotiate and there is nothing you can do to resolve the matter except (1) give in completely and give them anything and everything that they want, or (2) go to court and try the case.

    Here, the NFL has tried to negotiate even to the point of negotiating against itself. The NFL cannot and will not give in completely. The ONLY WAY THIS WILL BE RESOLVED IS AFTER THE ANTI-TRUST CASE IS TRIED or the players see the light and get rid of Smith and that is not going to happen.

    To paraphrase a campaign slogan “it’s D. Smith stupid”.

    FACT: D. Smith walked out of CBA negotiations, decertified the union, had certain players file suit, and did not attend at least one of the court ordered mediation sessions.

    If players, fans, and PFT employees really want football tell D. Smith to get his butt into negotiations or tell players to tell D. Smith to get his butt into negotiations.

  46. baddegg says: May 17, 2011 3:28 PM

    um….got any more mcnabb news?

  47. cletusvandam says: May 17, 2011 3:30 PM

    So, once again there is one side (owners) who wants to negotiate. They’ve submitted a proposal, which if it’s pretty much the same one the players walked out on in March already has major consessions on the owners side.
    Then there is the other side (players) who walked out without counter-proposing anything in march, and once again didn’t bother counter-proposing anything now.
    How can anyone still say this is the owners fault?I’m not saying the players should have, or had to take the current offer, but why can’t they negotiate?

  48. baddegg says: May 17, 2011 3:31 PM

    olskool711 says: May 17, 2011 2:48 PM

    What did the owners put on the table?

    Why wouldn’t it benefit the players to give us an outline of exactly what they put on the table?

    Why?

    Tell us EXACTLY what the owners put on the table!

    i.e. “Open your books.”

  49. 8drinkminimum says: May 17, 2011 3:32 PM

    @gregjennings85.

    Just your statement that if daddy gave you $20 mil you would be a great businessman tells me you would be a failure. Maybe not right away but you’d burn through that $20 mil eventually.

  50. jasonfinfan says: May 17, 2011 3:36 PM

    Fact
    The owners also walked out of Negotiations on the first day, They locked doors to their franchises,
    They went against court orders to open their doors.
    They then completely relocked their doors
    They too have made no serious attempts to negotiate.
    They now plan to shutdown the league to garner a better deal.

    The owners are no Saints in this either.

    GO UFL! All players sign with the UFL, and revitalize citys local economies with 32 brand new stadiums financed by taxpayers.

  51. sfsaintsfan says: May 17, 2011 3:38 PM

    The players are delusional. They are believing what their lawyers are saying, “we have a strong legal position and will win in court”. What they do not understand the time it will take to win in court. The owners will fight to the bitter end if they need to. They are mostly very successful businessmen who are basically billionaires and titans of industry. They have negotiated huge deals before. (They didn’t do so good with that last CBA agreement though.) The owners will survive a year of NO NFL FOOTBALL. They will suffer, but they can survive. How many players can go an entire year without a paycheck? Maybe 10%, 20%, 30%? Most cannot make it.

    Fans to players and owners:

    You can negotiate NOW if you want to. You do not have to have “court ordered” mediation in order to talk. And to the owners and players again, you both need to send actual representatives to any future negotiations. Real players and real owners need to sit across from each other. You cannot trust what your lawyers are telling you, it is in THEIR interest for this thing to drag on for years because the longer the litigation goes on the more money they will make.

  52. mataug says: May 17, 2011 3:39 PM

    maybe I should start learning the rules of baseball now…

  53. rabidbillsfan says: May 17, 2011 3:44 PM

    You know, De Smith Screwed himself when he stated that the previous offer was ” the worst deal in the history of sports”. The reason being that if the Owners keep submitting proposals that are even the slightest bit better, and the players crap on it, whose the bad guy? It makes it look like the Owners are trying to make progress even if they really aren’t. And we will never know what the Players really want because they haven’t submittted a counter-offer. Can we see his degree please? This will never end, Lockout or not, the owners have the upper hand because the “suit” is an idiot.

  54. scontis says: May 17, 2011 3:45 PM

    I was always pro player in this mess but this crap about not even a counter offer or discussion to two proposals says it all – the players don’t give a crap about honest negotiations!!! Anyone who has ever been through a negotiating session knows it is all about proposal and counter-proposal. Not here. Two proposals and I’m taking my ball and going to see the udge again. (is that like I’m telling mom what you said) Grow up already!!

  55. ajcolts says: May 17, 2011 3:46 PM

    If this was any other business I might side with the owners… but a MONKEY can make money with an NFL franchise doing absolutely nothing…

    NO ONE IS LOSING MONEY… AT ALL …EVER…

    If you think they are then wouldn’t they pretty much jump on the “please open your books” thing? To show everyone..”hey we are suffering!”

    The problem is they know if they open their books no one is going to give them any sympathy…

    “aww poor mister billionaire owner only made 150 mil this year off his football team… how can he live?”

    “Oh and what’s this… his family used the company jet to take 8 trips to Paris?? ”

    How much is enough? Really? They want 1 more billion now… but for what? Taxpayers pay for there stadiums for the most part…??

    And this in no way compares to anyones elses job so don’t even try…. It’s not apples to apples… This NFL situation is completely unique… So I don’t want to hear “well I can’t ask my boss…blah…blah…blah” … no you can’t … you are not an NFL PLAYER….

  56. tmac48 says: May 17, 2011 3:47 PM

    Can someone PLEASE explain to me why $9 Billion IS NOT WORTH MEDIATING FOR MORE THAN 2 FREAKING DAYS FOR?!?!?

  57. thephantomstranger says: May 17, 2011 3:54 PM

    I guess I’ll turn my attention to the NBA draft lottery.

  58. hail2tharedskins says: May 17, 2011 3:55 PM

    jasonfinfan says: May 17, 2011 3:20 PM

    The Owners who rebarred their doors can kiss the backside of my tail end. What is wrong with inseason negotiations?

    ————————————————

    What is wrong with in-season negotiations? Well there are two problems. One is the lawsuit by the players that says any rules you put in place we are challenging in anti-trust court! The other problem is that the players decertified the union which puts an end to any collective bargaining (the owners no longer had anybody to negotiate with), so it was the players and not the owners that put an end to ongoing negotiations (but they did that in order to file their lawsuit, you see legally they couldn’t do both)

  59. larryfinfan says: May 17, 2011 3:56 PM

    Well, the judicial system is just as asinine as the Players and Owners….4 days of mediation, a one month break, 2 more days of mediation, another month break…Must be nice to expect the fan base to return to the NFL if they ever get it going again….

  60. evrybdyhas1 says: May 17, 2011 4:03 PM

    There is one thing that both sides have in common. They both think we are tools and we will be back to spend our money after they get through fighting how to split it up. We have been spending way too much because the NFL has become part of the American way of life. From the TV spots overseas with our cheering troops to the impact a Superbowl win had for New Orleans we have all thought of football as something bigger then all of us. It isn’t though to the most important people in charge of its legacy, the owners and players. To them it is a just a business and we are just the suckers who will keep paying and putting up with the inflated egos and increase in prices. The primary reason for revenue sharing, salary caps and an anti-trust exemption is competitive balance that will allow the league to flourish and protect its legacy. Greed has blinded players and owners to the big picture and rendered the fan and the game irrelevant.

  61. mred163 says: May 17, 2011 4:16 PM

    One thing that seems to be missing is a modification of incomes for the new players drafted. The owners should reduce the absurd guarantees for players who haven’t played a single down in the NFL. Those monies should be spread around to the players who have already proven themselves.

  62. mogogo1 says: May 17, 2011 4:16 PM

    Why haven’t the players responded? Because tactically it’s smarter for them not to until they’re forced into doing so. The owners have had to establish a ground floor in the negotiations, but both sides see the June court date as their time to seize the upper hand. The players don’t want some counter-offer they made now limiting what they can ask for if they end up in the driver’s seat. And if the court sides with the owners, the players are still confident they won’t do any worse than what the owners have already offered.

    And make no mistake…there would have been no second offer from the owners without the court insisting upon it. And this second offer without question looked a whole lot like the original one the players ignored. What I find rather funny is the court insisted the owners make a second offer but didn’t make the players produce a counter-offer. That would seemingly have been the fair thing to do.

  63. kellyb9 says: May 17, 2011 4:24 PM

    Thats good.. they needed a break. /sarcasm

  64. desertpirate1146 says: May 17, 2011 4:35 PM

    OK..it’s time for the owners to just give in and give DeDumbo and the players exactly what they are asking for: a non-union, totally free market league.
    Imagine, no salary cap, (no salary floor), no minimum salary beyond minimum wage.
    By the way, you will be paid twice a month, year around. During the off season, you will be expected to be at the team facilities from 8am to 5pm Monday through Friday. You can have 2 weeks paid vacation once you have been with the company for a year.
    There is no company paid retirement plan, but you can enroll in our 401K program.
    This will be considered “at will” employment, which means we can fire you anytime we feel like it for no reason at all.
    This company also has random drug testing, which you must submit to immediately upon notification. Failure to comply will result in termination.

    Other things to consider: How many owners would decide that 53 players is too many? No rules, no set roster sizes.

    The league offices would be responsible for scheduling and game rules. The game officials would be employed by the league. Other than that, the league would have no responsibilities.

    There is a lot more..like they say..be careful what you wish for.

  65. realitypolice says: May 17, 2011 5:13 PM

    2011to2020lions says:
    May 17, 2011 3:18 PM
    The Players who have a name on this lawsuit can kiss the backside of my tail end.
    =========================

    Your tail end has a front side?

  66. Mike Tomlin says: May 17, 2011 5:28 PM

    When do the players receive their first pay check? OTA? Training camp? Preseason week 1? Regular season week 1?

    The answer to that questions is the answer to the question of when the CBA will be reached…

  67. jbaxt says: May 17, 2011 5:33 PM

    I’m down for watching Keauna Reeves and a drunk soccer player play in the NFL for a year. The players can’t make it through the off-season, let alone the real season, without blowing their cash so they’ll be begging to come back before long.

    I want the owners to play their bluff because the owners are billionaires with brains, their businesses will suceed with or without the clowns that last 2-4 years on average. Pay rookies and anyone else who wants to sign up and have college like football for a year or 2, we’ll rotate through the greedy effers in that time and we’ll be back to business.

  68. pack93z says: May 17, 2011 5:42 PM

    And there lies that current game.. in the hands of lawyers and the courts.. right where it shouldn’t be at this point if any fan hopes to have any resemblance of a quality season of football.

    Another pathetic showing from the players, owners and the man that should be bringing them together in Goodell.

    Makes you wonder where the solid businessman of the sport with the vision to understand growth and its value to the pocketbook have gone.

    Yes Pathetic that the one man that should have the interest of the fans at heart, Goodell, is in the pocket of only one side in this affair. And it is not for the betterment of the league that is for sure.

  69. airraid77 says: May 17, 2011 5:45 PM

    The players are going to get hammered, judge will stupidly give the players what they asked for, which is what the owners are wanting back from the players in the new cba, which will also be struck down by the 8th circuit.
    The players dont want a new deal, which is why this is in court, not in negotiations. And if the players are stupid enough to follow this plan, they will get nothing, the owners get their 20 pct back, an 18 game schedule(which would be stupid) and the players will fund their own retirments. and the owners will get the lockout insurance money, which means the players will have missed checks, and basically get what the owners want to give, swallow it, and thank the owners.

  70. jakek2 says: May 17, 2011 5:51 PM

    The Pro-Owners “arguments” are so ridiculous and laden with racial undertones it’s not even funny. Here’s a summary:

    1) NFL Players make enough. I make $5.75 an hour stocking kitty litter. Since I can’t ask my boss for money, neither should players.

    2) I can’t think of an intelligent argument against DeSmith so I will call him names (that are lame to boot! get some originality you tards)

    3) The NFL negotiates but the players don’t. OK mental midgets. If I keep coming back to you offering to buy your car for $1…that offer does NOT constitute negotiating and does NOT merit a counteroffer.

    If you people just said, “Listen, I am a redneck republican and whatever n—gers get, they should be happy with”…we pro-players would actually respect you.

  71. chatham10 says: May 17, 2011 5:57 PM

    How can the NFL sit down with the Union when there is no union?

  72. jftreshj76 says: May 17, 2011 6:04 PM

    Boycott. Boycott the first game of the season. Strike back. Tell them “I’ve had enough and I’m not gonna take it any more!” Hit them where you know it’ll get their attention—-their wallets. Greedy bastards. I don’t care how they spin it—-it’s still rich guys versus stinking rich guys. In a country fighting out of a recession, in a country fighting high unemployment these bastards are fighting over $10 billion. It’s indefensible. Hundreds of thousands of Americans depend upon the activity of the NFL for their livelihoods. It has become the true national pass-time. Wouldn’t it be beautiful—- on TV, half empty stadiums game one. Who do they think we are?—soccer fans? Fight back!

  73. nvr4gt12 says: May 17, 2011 6:18 PM

    they need to sit their as-es down and get this worked out. all they are doing now each time they sit down when they feel like it and then walk away for weeks at a time is pushing the fans away.

    they need to stop crying they all make too much money as it is. take that billion dollars they are arguing over and give it back to the fans and lower ticket prices!!!

  74. jakek2 says: May 17, 2011 6:20 PM

    jftresh – Nobody will fight back. That is the biggest problem here. The owners and players both know that Americans have no dignity anymore. Read the sellouts’ statements on this site. Many people say they will watch scabs and love it as long as they are wearing that fan’s team uniform. It’s disgusting and it’s one of the big reasons why this country is a laughingstock.

  75. riverhorsey says: May 17, 2011 6:25 PM

    yeah they have been hitting it really hard they need a 3 week break

  76. Deb says: May 17, 2011 7:24 PM

    @touchdownroddywhite …

    The players? You mean those guys all over the league who are practicing without coaches, without paychecks, without facilities, and without insurance? The ones who are doing it solely for the good of their teams once the season resumes? The ones who, if they are injured, could be out for the season–or for the rest of their lives–without compensation or health coverage? You mean those players?

    You want to know about those players, who supposedly are only interested in money and don’t care about the game?

    I’m not directing this to all pro-owner commenters but some of you would buy urine as cola if a corporate CEO told you it was refreshing and buying it would put a union out of business. And a few would happily pay double if the union leader was black.

  77. eagleswin says: May 17, 2011 8:09 PM

    Deb says:
    May 17, 2011 7:24 PM
    @touchdownroddywhite …

    The players? You mean those guys all over the league who are practicing without coaches, without paychecks, without facilities, and without insurance? The ones who are doing it solely for the good of their teams once the season resumes? The ones who, if they are injured, could be out for the season–or for the rest of their lives–without compensation or health coverage? You mean those players?

    ——————————————

    How does any of that correlate to negotiating a new CBA? Your touching eulogy to the players aside, touchdownroddywhite was commenting on CBA negotiations, not underwear workouts.

    I’ll comment on the workouts though, where you see idealism, i see pragmatism. The players know if they don’t perform well they could be cut or it could be used against them in future contract negotiations. If they get a headstart now they could do better next year and maybe get a contract or might secure that roster spot they otherwise might have lost. Do you want to be that guy fighting for a roster spot that knows the playbook on day 1 or do you want to be the guy struggling to catch up?

    Imo, it’s a calculated risk by the players. Also, it’s just underwear workouts. I doubt there are players in pads hitting other players or tackling dummies. I could be wrong but if i am you’ll let me know.

  78. dkrause71 says: May 17, 2011 8:33 PM

    The Pro-Owners “arguments” are so ridiculous and laden with racial undertones it’s not even funny. Here’s a summary:

    1) NFL Players make enough. I make $5.75 an hour stocking kitty litter. Since I can’t ask my boss for money, neither should players.

    2) I can’t think of an intelligent argument against DeSmith so I will call him names (that are lame to boot! get some originality you tards)

    3) The NFL negotiates but the players don’t. OK mental midgets. If I keep coming back to you offering to buy your car for $1…that offer does NOT constitute negotiating and does NOT merit a counteroffer.

    If you people just said, “Listen, I am a redneck republican and whatever n—gers get, they should be happy with”…we pro-players would actually respect you.
    ————————————————–

    This post is ridiculous. First off, for someone so concerned about race, nice that you separated the players as the black/AA party. Maybe some of us just look at them as employees/players, and not races. As for your comments.

    1) One and Three are similar to me as they are financial. My biggest problem with the financials are this. The Packers which are the only team we know the financials on had a 10M profit last financial period. They are worth 1B according to Forbes. This is a 1% return on investment. Assuming this was the 2009-2010 return which they make the playoffs. This is an incredibly horrible return. Its even worse if its the Super Bowl season. You can make more in a CD down at the bank for god sakes.

    I read over and over how owners make so much money. 10M is less than some players made for the season even but yet so many of you decided that they are rich so they should just give in. I would also like to add, if being an owner is so profitable, why don’t you see the Gates, Waltons, Soros own teams? That’s right because they are not profitable compared to most businesses.

    2) Its just funny you mentioned this when you insult the readers at least twice in your post. I don’t understand why the posters just cannot use his real name, but you did the same thing. Its petty really.

    My opinion, is owners shouldn’t have to open their books unless they are claiming losses which i believe is also the labor law. The owners are claiming losses on profit margins which the Packers statements have shown. The Packers profit margins has decreased during the 5 seasons of the former CBA.

    So sorry, we are not all racist, republicans. Some of us logically decided we were for the owners.

  79. realitypolice says: May 17, 2011 9:18 PM

    @dkrause71:

    So the owners open the books on the team that plays in the smallest home market of any team in all of professional sports.

    A team that makes as much revenue from it’s stadium in a season as Jerry Jones does in a single weekend.

    And that’s all the proof you need that every team in the league is suffering from poor profitability?

    And your accounting is terrible. You don’t measure ROI by measuring profit against franchise value.

    Unless someone paid a billion dollars cash this year for the Packers, that 10 million dollar figure is not ROI.

    Owners don’t buy teams to rake in that year to year operating profit. They buy it as an investment. The ROI of the Packers is the billion dollars the team is worth now versus whatever the current ownership of the team (I understand the Packers are municipally owned) paid for the franchise initially. Something tells me that is a little more than 1%.

    Jeffery Lurie bought the Eagles for $185 million dollars 15 years ago. The team is now worth $1.054 billion. That’s a profit of $870 million dollars, or $58 million per year. That comes out to an ROI of over 500% overall or 32% PER YEAR. Not too shabby.

    “Not as profitable as other businesses”. LOL

    Gates and the Waltons may not own teams for whatever reason, but Paul Allen owns two professional sports franchises.

    No NFL owner has ever lost money. Ever. How many businesses can you say that about?

  80. rcali says: May 17, 2011 9:56 PM

    Those are some short working hours for a bunch of people that don’t have anything else to do.

  81. Deb says: May 17, 2011 10:55 PM

    @eagleswin ….

    touchdownroddywhite says:
    So, will the pro-player commenters please remind me who it is, exactly, that is interested in negotiating?

    Deb says:
    The players? You mean those guys all over the league who are practicing without coaches, without paychecks, without facilities, and without insurance? The ones who are doing it solely for the good of their teams once the season resumes? The ones who, if they are injured, could be out for the season–or for the rest of their lives–without compensation or health coverage? You mean those players?

    You want to know about those players, who supposedly are only interested in money and don’t care about the game?

    I was answering his question, genius.

    The players that are interested in PRACTICING WITHOUT COMPENSATION are the same ones interested in negotiating an agreement. They’re the same ones interested in lifting the lockout and moving on with the season. They’re the same ones who didn’t ask to trash the previous agreement in the first place.

    As for the rest of your blathering about underwear … whatever turns you on :roll:

  82. touchdownroddywhite says: May 18, 2011 11:13 AM

    @Deb -

    Being willing to practice for free and being open to negotiation are nowhere close to related. The players aren’t practicing for us or the team. They’re practicing for themselves. To earn more money, to earn that next contract and endorsement deal. To keep the back up that is breathing down their neck at bay just a little longer, and to help reduce the risk of injury from getting out of shape once the season finally starts.

    I’m not questioning the work ethic of any player. I’m question the committment to a long term deal that doesn’t change the landscape of pro football forever, the way a “win” by the players in litigation can and likely will. You have failed to address the point as raised by myself in relation to the article in an attempt to justify supporting the players.

    I’m sure there are players interested in ending this thing. The problem is however that they are either an understated minority or as somebody pointed out above, they are ignorant to the issues and processes taking place and are not making themselves heard.

    So which do you think it is? Are there just not enough players who want to negotiate a CBA or are the ones who do want to not important enough/informed enough to be heard?

    Ps. I love black people.

  83. jftreshj76 says: May 18, 2011 12:56 PM

    Boycott. Boycott the first game. Half empty stadiums week 1. AND don’t buy ANY NFL merchandise this year. That’s not so hard! Drive NFL merchandise sales way down. I’m telling you these greedy bastards will take notice. The almighty dollar is all they care about any way.

  84. Deb says: May 18, 2011 1:11 PM

    @touchdownroddywhite …

    ROFL … that comment wasn’t meant for you.

    I just used your question to vent at all the dingalings who keep morphing 1700 players into the caricature of a guy who’s been arrested 12 times, wears a lot of bling, has a history of drug abuse, lives in a strip club, and can’t complete a coherent sentence beyond “Show me the money!”

    As far as the players who want to negotiate … people need to recognize that there are 1700 players. In a situation like this, people can’t just jump up and say, “Hey, I’ll do the deal.” That creates chaos. So they choose player reps and hope they’ll represent the best interest of the majority. No, I don’t think the majority fully understand the issues–and that’s not an insult. These are complex legal maneuvers being played out by experienced attorneys in appellate court. Unless they have law degrees or MBAs, I wouldn’t expect them to fully understand the intricate details. Again, that’s why they hire professionals to represent their interests.

    No, most players don’t want the NFL’s structure to change. They don’t want to lose the draft. They don’t want open bidding wars. They just want to put this behind them and play ball, knowing they’ll earn a good wage and have a pension and health care when they’re finished. Most players believe the antitrust suits are a way to gain leverage and they need to leave the strategizing to their reps.

    What fans need to remember is that several owners actually want those suits to succeed. They want to do away with the draft and kill the current pay structure. Their endgame is demolishing revenue-sharing. It’s all about using this as a way to undermine other owners and the players are just a means to an end. This will end once the owners work it out among themselves. Then, miraculously, they’ll find a way to work it out with the players. But it’s just as foolish to blame the rank-and-file players as it would be to blame any rank-and-file. They’re as much at the mercy of the Power Brokers as fans–and they have a lot more to lose.

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