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Pash reiterates that the time is now to get a deal done

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With the owners making a new offer even though they never received a response to the last offer and the players’ leverage taking a major hit with Monday’s court ruling, which included language making it pretty clear that the lockout will stay in place, it’s up to the players to decide whether to try to work things out, or whether to double down and let it ride in the courts.

The NFL wants the players to choose compromise.

“We’re not going to solve things through litigation and we’ve been clear on that,” NFL general counsel Jeff Pash told NFL Network on Monday. “What we need to be doing is focusing all of our attention on the process that’s going on here in this building with the assistance of the chief judge and in serious discussions with the players. We have an opportunity to resolve this matter and get the game back on the field, and that really should be our exclusive focus. Not litigation, not stays, injunctions, things like that. That’s not going to solve anything. So, I’m glad that it came out the way it did, but it’s just one step in a process and we need to focus on negotiation.  That’s the only way we’re going to resolve this.”

But the players have yet to indicate that they’re ready to fold.  Based on comments from Saints quarterback and NFLPA* Executive Committee member Drew Brees to Dan Patrick earlier this morning, it seems as if the players are still holding out hope for a victory in the Eighth Circuit.

“It’s really all about this appeal that is gonna be heard on June the third in the Eighth Circuit in front of the three-judge panel,” Brees said.  He then summarized the legal proceedings to date, but he said nothing about the import of Monday’s ruling, which drops very strong hints that, on appeal, the order lifting the lockout will be scrapped.  At one point, Brees sounded confident that the players will win on appeal, explaining that a successful appeal means that the players would be “winning again, for the fifth time in a row.”

We personally like and tremendously respect Drew, one of the great players and great guys in the game.  But he and the rest of the NFLPA* leadership need to face reality on this.  The players’ five-ruling winning streak has been disrupted by two straight important losses, with the lifting of the lockout being stayed for two-plus weeks and now being stayed until the appeal is resolved.  And it’s widely believed that the handwriting regarding the eventual ruling has been carved into the wall.

The lockout, barring a stunning reversal by one of the two judges who voted for the permanent stay, is going to stay in place until a new labor deal is negotiated.  Perhaps the smart play for both sides is to do a fair deal now.

At a time when the NFL could be spiking the football and dancing in the end zone, the league is instead calling for compromise.  It’s the right approach, and we hope that both sides will use this opportunity to solve the situation once and for all.

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68 Responses to “Pash reiterates that the time is now to get a deal done”
  1. bravecitizen2011 says: May 17, 2011 11:18 AM

    Check this out:

    Please go to the NFL Boycott page on facebook. Choose the one with the NFL Lockout logo, not the crossed out NFL official emblem. This is an organized and serious movement. See the description. THANKS and let’s get OUR sport back!

  2. olcap says: May 17, 2011 11:21 AM

    The 8th Circuit judges are corrupt, that’s obvious.

  3. thephantomstranger says: May 17, 2011 11:21 AM

    The league will have even more leverage after June 3. The best thing for the players is to take the opportunity to do serious negotiations before then. Work around the clock to get it done!

  4. p4ever says: May 17, 2011 11:22 AM

    Start acting like you mean it; open your books!

  5. clintonportisheadd says: May 17, 2011 11:26 AM

    “The lockout, barring a stunning reversal by one of the two judges who voted for the permanent stay, is going to stay in place until a new labor deal is negotiated. Perhaps the smart play for both sides is to do a fair deal now…”

    —————————-

    Thats correct. The problem is that one side doesn’t want a fair deal. They want a complete and utter dismantling of their opponent. The ironic thing is that once they got that, THEN they will start fighting amongst themselves over the extra money they just got.

    Greed-thy name is the NFL.

  6. killxswitch says: May 17, 2011 11:26 AM

    Both sides have a lot to lose here. The momentum has swung to the owners but keeping the lockout in-place while deciding on the June 3rd ruling doesn’t guarantee the 8th Circuit will overturn the previous ruling. A temporary continuance of the lockout is not a big deal, overturning another judge’s ruling is. So the judges will be a lot more careful and thorough.

    Neither side is guaranteed anything, so the best option for BOTH sides is to take control of their own destiny and get a deal done OUT of court.

    This might mean a change of leadership for the players because D Smith seems completely out of his depth. And it might mean more moderate owners like Irsay and Kraft need to quiet the more vocal and stubborn types like Richardson and Brown.

  7. nj22 says: May 17, 2011 11:27 AM

    The players aren’t ready to fold?? What does that have to do with negotiating a new deal?? The owners made an offer. Make a friggen counter offer if you are serious about this. That is you do when you actually are interested in getting a deal done. D-Smith sold these morons that he would lead them to some “promised land” with his cool Diggin it lawyer skills and now that he has fallen on his face they have no plan B. I really am starting to hate all of these MFers!

  8. smacklayer says: May 17, 2011 11:28 AM

    I love how the comments of Debag Smith and Brees are alwasy just so factual –

    “The NFL is suing to stop football” um no Debag, you sued the NFL with the intention of tearing the very fabric that makes it great.

    “The courts foudn that teh NFL broke the law twice” Um no Debag, no laws are broken here, this is a civil matter the league was only found to have violated at provision in the last CBA (you know that thing you get when you actually negotiate, but you wouldn’t know anything about that). No laws, sir, have been broken.

    “5 straight wins in court” Yes drew, if you don’t count the last two losses. But you can keep “waiting around” for more losses coming down the pipe if you want.

  9. jaykono says: May 17, 2011 11:29 AM

    For the love of God….get a deal done and end this thing.

  10. FinFan68 says: May 17, 2011 11:32 AM

    This is the smartest commentary I have seen in a long time by this site on the labor issues. Now is the time for a deal. If not now, the end result will be very ugly for both sides but it will be much worse for the side that ultimately loses in litigation. Stop the stupidity and come to an amicable agreement.

  11. mastashonuff says: May 17, 2011 11:34 AM

    I used to respect Drew Brees, but his part in this makes me dislike him and my respect for him has gone out the window.

    He hasn’t shown reasonableness, only rhetoric. Really, Drew, you are helpless in this process? Please, no one is buying that. You’re doing this for the little guys in the NFL? Riiiight.

    Get a deal done. Stop negatively impacting the game and especially those teams that are in transition mode right now and less able to field a quality product with a shortened off season.

  12. Kaz says: May 17, 2011 11:34 AM

    Unfortunately Flo, I don’t think anyone is listening. We are of course (fans), but the players are all robots and Brees and co. will hear nothing related to a compromise. I’ll be ugly to see the mess they get themselves into after June 3rd. I don’t need a law degree to see the time for a deal is now before one side (looking like the Owners) gets the ultimate victory.

  13. commoncents says: May 17, 2011 11:35 AM

    The league is doing the right thing Mike, but what is your side doing?? Still posturing, and waiting, and hoping that the court system forces the owners to open their doors so football can be played, and the players have no incentive to work toward a fair deal, because they are playing football.

    The time to do a fair deal is now. if the players can’t counter offer, the league should pull the offer and play hardball. WAKE UP PLAYERS, stop whining, and negotiate!!!

  14. annnann says: May 17, 2011 11:39 AM

    The players need to stop listening to De Smith and Kessler.

  15. iamtalkingsolistenandlearn says: May 17, 2011 11:41 AM

    I have always said these players are too damn stupid. I mean this lawyer DEmo Smith has convinced these idiots to follow him over the cliff.

    GOOD. go ahead. The owners are just doing and saying all the right things. They didn’t submit a good proposal, they submitted a proposal they hope (but don’t expect) the players agree to. They SAY they want to get a deal done.
    But believe me, the owners want to drag this out and make the players cry uncle.

    And I for one hope they hurt the players so badly that those greedy, ungrateful, law breaking hoodlums will NEVER think about swelling up on their OWNERS ever again.

  16. Rhode Island Patriots Fan says: May 17, 2011 11:43 AM

    As the “leverage game” continues to unfold, the players are no doubt anxiously awaiting Judge Doty’s ruling on damages arising from the television contracts case. Naturally, one would expect the league to immediately appeal that ruling to the Eighth Circuit. Importantly, I think, any “over the top” damage award faces the real prospect of being significantly reduced on appeal.

  17. nfl25 says: May 17, 2011 11:44 AM

    The strangest thing is how PFT was saying the fans should just want a deal done so there if fball. And a lot of us were saying that it needs to be a fair deal so that both parties are happy, that way there is no problem down the road. Now that the players are losing leverage, PFT wants the fair deal.

    Also why does PFT always say, BOTH parties are acting like children and name calling and all that. If the owners did anything like that, I must have missed it. I see the players doing that every other day. All I want is the players to decide its time to negotiate. If you cant see that the owners want to negotiate and the players don’t, then u have serious problems. The only way this thing gets done before we start missing games is if the players feel they don’t have any leverage left, then they will negotiate

  18. grpatriot says: May 17, 2011 11:44 AM

    If Don Dee Smith doesn’t try and settle all family business, take the deal…..nobody wants a war!
    Let’s do the busi-ness…..

  19. pilot3009 says: May 17, 2011 11:44 AM

    The first thought that popped in my mind was “goodell is actually doing a good job”. He isn’t doing much of anything in the courtroom but he is keeping the owners quiet for the most part. The players have been blasting him for his apparent loyalty to the owners but it’s hard to think that Jerry Jones had the sense not to comment on this latest victory on his own. Goodell is keeping the owners from running thier mouths so that the players are not turned off completely.

  20. santolonius says: May 17, 2011 11:44 AM

    i have more or less taken the players’ side through all of this… but if drew brees thinks the players have even a snowball’s chance of winning in the june 3rd hearing, he is a real dummy. in fact the players should look at june 3rd as the day their bargaining position takes a gigantic step backward and do everything they can to maximize the time they have before june 3rd for negotiating. unless the players are plotting on forcing the owners to cancel games in hopes that gives them some new leverage. if that is their strategy, i for one will have to apologize for ever leaning toward the players’ side.

  21. sc5000 says: May 17, 2011 11:46 AM

    Earth to Drew Brees, the same judges who voted 2-1 in favor of the owners are going to be deciding this appeal. You and your NFLPA lawyers have failed you, you aren’t going to win any appeal. Those judges aren’t going to change their minds, get your a$$es back to the negotiating table, stop listening to that stooge fraud attorney D Smith and get a deal done. You were never going to solve any issue or make any CBA deal in court anyways.

  22. clownburger says: May 17, 2011 11:48 AM

    “But the players have yet to indicate that they’re ready to fold.”

    And by FOLD you mean NEGOTIATE A DEAL with the NFL, right?

    See, this is a prime example as to how PFT stands on this. In their eyes, the players actually getting to the table and trying to work out a deal with the NFL so we can have football again IS FOLDING! They view it as a negative.

    Now try to tell me that PFT and a lot of these pro player so called “fans” really want football.

    THEY DON’T! Indicated by this little flub here.

  23. eagleswin says: May 17, 2011 11:48 AM

    We personally like and tremendously respect Drew, one of the great players and great guys in the game. But he and the rest of the NFLPA* leadership need to face reality on this. The players’ five-ruling winning streak has been disrupted by two straight important losses, with the lifting of the lockout being stayed for two-plus weeks and now being stayed until the appeal is resolved. And it’s widely believed that the handwriting regarding the eventual ruling has been carved into the wall.
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    Very courteous and accurate. Where was this attitude when you were blasting the owners for everything and anything? IMO, without the court victories you would still be shouting that the NFL needs to fold and give the NFLPA anything and everything they want (and you wouldn’t be saying it nearly as respectfully).

    Unfortunately you have supported the players and their litigation as opposed to negotiation in the past. Your side has done nothing to end the conflict to date. It takes 2 parties to negotiate and to date we only have one (the owners).

  24. willycents says: May 17, 2011 11:48 AM

    It was stated after the initial ruling on the lockout by Judge Judy :) that the owners appeared to have no plan B and were confused. I submit that they disagreed on which part of plan B to install’ and CHOSE to appeal vice other parts of the plan.
    I believe that the players have only one plan, to litigate and have the courts determine the conditions of the settlement. Bree’s statement only reinforces my belief that the players have no plan B. IF they continue to pursue the litigation strategy to the end, and lose, then you will see true confusion on their part due to poor planning.
    The last de-cert of the union caught the owners by surprise with no plan to account for it. Gauranteed that they have a plan this time, and it will not be “healthy” for the players.

  25. vahawker says: May 17, 2011 11:49 AM

    Is it any wonder there is CBA and no negotiations? The players simply aren’t interested.

  26. bowsi says: May 17, 2011 11:50 AM

    It’s time for Drew Brees to start hollering that he is an independent, that he is no longer interested in a CBA and he wants to negotiate his next contract free of CBA restraints. After all isn’t this litigation ultimately about just that.

  27. amr71 says: May 17, 2011 11:52 AM

    “Start acting like you mean it; open your books!”

    LOL. Tell you what. Walk into your boss’s office today and demand that he show you his books. Then come back here and let us know his reaction.

    “The problem is that one side doesn’t want a fair deal. They want a complete and utter dismantling of their opponent. The ironic thing is that once they got that, THEN they will start fighting amongst themselves over the extra money they just got.”

    Agreed. The players are so short-sighted, they might just end up killing everything that’s great about the NFL. Oh, wait, you weren’t talking about the players …

  28. bammer1 says: May 17, 2011 12:01 PM

    k first of all Ive been with and still am with the players on this one but they do need to get to the table and counteroffer cause thats allot faster way to get a deal than waiting for the courts. Second remember this theirs 3 courts after the 8th district so say they don’t overturn. than the nflpa* says we want a full board which would be all the members of the 8th district court all 8 or 9 of them and that could go different. Than depending what happens their u have the supreme court also that would look at this issue as well.

    smacklayer in regards to what you aid actually they where found to have broken the law twice. first when they made the contracts for TV money that was going to be paid no matter what. The court found by doing that they where trying to make a war chest and set the table for a lockout therefore they weren’t bargaining in good faith. this lead the court to take all that money away from them. 2Nd they didn’t bargain in good faith well they where mandated to when the judge was first considering appeal. thats 2 yes count them 2 times they broke the law.

    However as i said the players control ball now they need to counter-offer and so on and so on leading to a cba that makes everyone sad and mad cause thats a cba that will work.

  29. commoncents says: May 17, 2011 12:05 PM

    yo flo-Doty, you have bashed the owners at every turn, you have tried to tell your readership how we should feel, and even taken polls which show we don’t agree with your point of view, and have even accused us of all working for NFL teams when we disagree with you.

    It seems like this may be the time when you could come up with an article, at least pretending you have an issue with the players for not negotiating. You claim you haven’t chosen sides in this, but it is clear you have. Now is when maybe you could make a difference with an article aimed at the players. Take off De Smiths hat and do something!!!

  30. sdw2001 says: May 17, 2011 12:11 PM

    Agreed, PFT. The writing is on the wall. The players are going to “lose.” The 8th Circuit is very likely to overturn the previous judge’s ruling that enjoins that lockout, meaning that the lockout will continue until a deal is done.

    The *NFLPA and D-Smith really screwed this thing up. At least we’ll be back to football soon.

  31. fltharley says: May 17, 2011 12:11 PM

    the owners and there lawyers can sure act smug when they have a court and two judges in there pockets no guess work on which side these two republican judges are going to side with

  32. dz302 says: May 17, 2011 12:12 PM

    OK..So the players still think they have a chance with the judgement.So if they lose they take it to the Supreme Court..If they lose there then what..Maybe try the world court..Get your heads out of your butts and get a deal done NOW!!!!!

  33. wtfru2 says: May 17, 2011 12:13 PM

    Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn…..

  34. myspaceyourface says: May 17, 2011 12:18 PM

    The NFL doesn’t have to and shouldn’t open their books to the players. They are employees.

  35. tnazvol says: May 17, 2011 12:22 PM

    “It’s really all about this appeal that is gonna be heard on June the third in the Eighth Circuit in front of the three-judge panel,” Brees said. That is a complete load of B-S!!!

    It’s really all about sitting your butt in a chair across from the owners and hammering out a deal that you both can live with.

    Leave it to the lawyers and the courts and everything gets screwed up. Idiots!

  36. iamtalkingsolistenandlearn says: May 17, 2011 12:24 PM

    @Bammer

    If the players want to appeal to the full board of the 8th circuit they will be even more dissappointed.

    I believe 80% of the judges on the full board are Republican appointees, which means they will still side with the owners.

    LIFE IS GOOD!

  37. easyeddie says: May 17, 2011 12:26 PM

    olcap says: May 17, 2011 11:21 AM

    The 8th Circuit judges are corrupt, that’s obvious.

    ——————————————-

    But Nelson and Doty are not?

  38. jlinatl says: May 17, 2011 12:28 PM

    I am hoping that the rhetoric from the NFLPA is just based on trying to appear strong in order to negotiate the best deal possible.

    As much as I don’t like the childish name calling from that side, they realistically can’t just collectively throw their hands in the air and say “we lose, we’ll take whatever you give us”. Once they started down the the hardline rhetoric path, they painted themselves into a corner.

    I think we could see a deal in the next few weeks. I wouldn’t be surprised for the NFLPA to keep talking tough while trying to hammer out the best deal possible then claiming the owner’s in some way gave in and that the deal they settled on was much better than the worst deal ever that was previously submitted.

    The owners will probably let it occur because the players will feel like they won a battle and in turn will save face. The owners will know they have won the war.

    Then in another few weeks, the specifics of the deal and who compromised on what will be known thru a series of Tweets and blogs as every sports reporter competes to make a name for themselves.

  39. whodeykid58 says: May 17, 2011 12:29 PM

    Why can’t DeSmith and the other “Plantiffs” (which are starting to get just as annoying as Smith) as well as the Owners put all their B*llsh*t pride aside and get a deal done. They are already starting to lose some fans, but the longer this takes the more it hurts both sides. THE FANS WANT FOOTBALL!!!!!!

  40. bleedgreen says: May 17, 2011 12:30 PM

    Maybe someone can answer this for me. There is no CBA right now, right? There is also no Union now, right? Can’t the owners just say ‘Here are the rules we’re going to abide by. The doors are open, and you’re free to come work if you are going to abide by these rules’, and anyone that doesn’t show up is considered a hold out and doesn’t get paid?

  41. dchuwo says: May 17, 2011 12:38 PM

    I’m really starting to wonder if Drew Brees’ comments echo the sentiment of the masses of the players. He, as an elite player, has the luxury of taking such a position. However, there are very few elite players in the league. The NFL is starting to gain momentum and looks like it will carry that in the 8th Circuit. Can the non-elite players truly afford a long lockout and do they even want all the stuff being tossed around and threatened by Smith and the elite players? My guess is no, and Smith cannot keep these players quiet much longer. Once that gets out, the owners smell blood and the players get a worse deal. NOW IS THE TIME TO MAKE A DEAL PLAYERS.

  42. veraky says: May 17, 2011 12:41 PM

    Dissappointed with Drews response to this. He makes it sound like they never intended to do any serious negotiations and were fully expecting to ride this out and win in court, like the previous times. Not a good strategy and shows a lack of leadership and foresight on the players side, why am I not surprised….

  43. buckeye2280 says: May 17, 2011 12:42 PM

    @bammer1

    Yes they could appeal to the full 8th or the supreme court but i will bet you now athat after the Lockout is upheld by the 3 judge panel, the full 8th will not hear any arguements nor will the Supreme court.

    Secondly, They did not violate any laws. They violated a contract, not laws. If they violated an actual law there would be a punishment assisnged to it from the State. AS in the State vs the NFL. This is a cival trial so its the NFLPA vs the NFL. A violation of a contract does not man a violation of the law.

    To those arguing for the NFL To Open its books…

    A business should not be told how to run its business, period. Nor is it a right of an Employee to see THE BOOKS of the business. You want that type of system go read Marx and then run as a Communist in this country(good luck with that).

  44. azbirdgang says: May 17, 2011 12:43 PM

    p4ever:Start acting like you mean it; open your books!

    Seriously…? Seriously…? You think the bosses need to open their books to their EMPLOYEES?

    The players need to see that they are making millions of dollars and the business owners are making billions because they OWN the business. Get a deal done already.. I can understand wanting better healthcare, benefits, working conditions, whatever.. but there’s no way in hell that I, as a business owner, would ever open my books to my employees.

  45. yajas says: May 17, 2011 12:44 PM

    Drew Bress must think he’s Charlie Sheen. He keeps pointing to himself and saying “Winning”, but everyone knows he clearly is not.

  46. nineroutsider says: May 17, 2011 12:49 PM

    “At a time when the NFL could be spiking the football and dancing in the end zone, the league is instead calling for compromise.”
    ——————————————————
    Exactly, if the players decide not to work with the NFL now even though they are extending an olive branch when they don’t have to, they deserve whatever deal they get stuck with in September.

    Tell DeMo to eat one and make a deal already! He’s a lawyer, his ego won’t let him think he will lose, but he will and the players are the ones that will take the actual hit.

  47. CKL says: May 17, 2011 12:53 PM

    amtalkingsolistenandlearn says:
    May 17, 2011 11:41 AM
    I have always said these players are too damn stupid. I mean this lawyer DEmo Smith has convinced these idiots to follow him over the cliff.
    __________________________________
    I don’t think the players are stupid. Maybe just a bit naive and willing to be “coached up” by DeSmith, who I believe is truly evil because I think he is self serving in the name of “serving” the players interests. Yes there are some players saying nutty stuff, and they need to lay off that, but truly how could any layman be expected to understand all this legal maneuvering enough to make intelligent comments on it?

    I do concur that the owners SHOULD BY NO MEANS use any leverage they have to try to force a bad deal on the players. Be FAIR. The owners would do well to recall how backed into a corner they felt with the 06 deal they took and strive to have that feeling not be the case for either side (as should the players). Of course my definition of fair is what I mean. :)

  48. hobartbaker says: May 17, 2011 12:55 PM

    Jeff wants this to end soon, he is down to his last necktie. The one his wife gave to Goodwill, but they sent it back.

  49. buffalohogan says: May 17, 2011 12:58 PM

    Is there still anybody out there that supports the players???

    Even with what could be ultimate leverage, the NFL is still williing to compromise. The players would have them on the ground with their foot on their throat in this position.

    Seriously, DeBag Smith should never be allowed anywhere near the NFL ever again…they should put that in the CBA.

  50. warmachine2112 says: May 17, 2011 12:58 PM

    I can concede that Brees and his fellow players, especially those who are the “face” of their movement need to sound positive. It’s sensible for their cause and let’s remember that as sportsmen, they are taught from an early age to think primarily of ways to win and maintain that belief.

    The tempering part of their thought process should come from the non-playing hierarchy within the Union/Trade Association/Confederation/Macrami Circle (delete as applicable).

    There come a time when moderation and the willingness to negotiate is the sensible way forward. It’s been in that phase for a while, now. Maybe they could go wild and, oooooh say, perhaps get a deal done instead of going for a macho posturing and pissing contest.

  51. buffalohogan says: May 17, 2011 1:00 PM

    Drew Brees goes as bammer1

  52. buffalohogan says: May 17, 2011 1:01 PM

    Thanks for joining us Jeff Saturday aka olcap.

  53. buffalohogan says: May 17, 2011 1:01 PM

    clintonportisheadd is Larry Johnson and Willie Parker

  54. jtfris says: May 17, 2011 1:11 PM

    Hope the players come back to reality and get a deal done. If D-Smith gets sacked in the process, so much the better.

  55. sneaky1632 says: May 17, 2011 1:24 PM

    Neither side has the motivation though.

  56. tmaleman says: May 17, 2011 1:45 PM

    “Start acting like you mean it; open your books!”

    LOL. Tell you what. Walk into your boss’s office today and demand that he show you his books. Then come back here and let us know his reaction.

    ————————————————-

    This is the most played out retort known to man. Walk in to your boss’ office and ask him to open the book. Well, my friend, this is a different situation from where you work. You see, the NFL is not the private sector, wanna know why? You, me, your neighbors, everybody, BUILT THE STADIUMS FOR THE OWNERS. It is your piece of the pie that the owners are stealing. You pay taxes for things, don’t you expect to know what they are being used for?

  57. geo1113 says: May 17, 2011 1:56 PM

    You see, the NFL is not the private sector, wanna know why? You, me, your neighbors, everybody, BUILT THE STADIUMS FOR THE OWNERS. You pay taxes for things, don’t you expect to know what they are being used for?
    _______________________

    Right. It doesn’t entitles you to see the books of a private company. It entitles you to see the books of the governmental units that put the money into the project. That is the taxpayer’s money. And you also have the right to see the contract for the stadium that was made. That’s what you get to see.

  58. geo1113 says: May 17, 2011 1:57 PM

    I can concede that Brees and his fellow players, especially those who are the “face” of their movement need to sound positive.
    ________________

    Brees sounds positive. He sounds positive that he doesn’t have a clue about what uis going on.

  59. readimgram1 says: May 17, 2011 1:58 PM

    OK players, think about this, regardless of what happens in the courts you and the owners NEED to get to the table at some point.

    The 8th circuit has hinted that you will lose the appeal, but regardless of the outcome the result will be….NEGOTIATE!

    There is no other outcome then working out a new CBA other then destroying football as we know it.

    Why they heck are you gys waiting around on decisions that all lead to the same place

    THE TABLE!

    Stop wasting time and get in there and work out a deal. I can not for the life of me understand what you players are waiting for. The NFL is all but begging to work out a deal and you guys are just ignoring them and pretending there is nothing to do but wait for the hearing.

    STOP IT!

  60. touchdownroddywhite says: May 17, 2011 2:00 PM

    Translation: “We have the leverage, and we expect to gain even more here soon. If you want anything resembling a fair deal, speak now or forever hold your piece”.

  61. readimgram1 says: May 17, 2011 2:01 PM

    Quote
    —————
    This is the most played out retort known to man. Walk in to your boss’ office and ask him to open the book. Well, my friend, this is a different situation from where you work. You see, the NFL is not the private sector, wanna know why? You, me, your neighbors, everybody, BUILT THE STADIUMS FOR THE OWNERS. It is your piece of the pie that the owners are stealing. You pay taxes for things, don’t you expect to know what they are being used for?
    ————————————-

    Wrong, the stadiums are one of two things

    1. Leased(meaning they simply need to pay their lease)

    2. Owned(meaning they own them and they can do as they wish)

    All NFL teams are private companies and as such have no obligation to open their books to any public entity.

    Stadiums that were built with the assistance of the public were not loans by the public. SO while the public may be pissed at not having football there they have no real legal grounds to sue or anything else.

    The owners have already stated that they will schedule other events in the stadiums they are leasing or own to help pay the bills.

  62. redsghost says: May 17, 2011 2:02 PM

    olcap says:May 17, 2011 11:21 AM

    “The 8th Circuit judges are corrupt, that’s obvious.”

    Completely agree! That one Judge backing the players AND Judge Nelson must be corrupt.

  63. endzonezombie says: May 17, 2011 2:08 PM

    It’s very clear that one of the biggest problems in negotiating a new CBA is the revenue sharing formula between the owners. The players are not involved in that. The successful local marketing clubs – who drive up the salary cap with their additional income from shrewd local investments – (Cowboys,Patriots, others) are sick and tired of subsidizing owners like Ralph Wilson and Mike Brown who spend as little as possible while collecting the big TV check from the league each season. That is the biggest reason that the owners cannot agree among themselves to open their books – some clubs want to keep their finances secret from other clubs. Why do the pro-owner posters not recognize the significant problem that exists within the owner fraternity? The players insistence to open the books is probably privately welcomed by many of the owners who want to clean up the unfair subsidization of poorly managed clubs. The players can’t control how inefficiently some of the clubs waste their money, but they can pressure the NFL to expose it by insisting to see the books. The players are helping the more successful owners expose the inefficient owners,
    but the pro-owner fans aren’t willing to support this process to shake-up the ownership fraternity for the benefit of a better managed NFL.

  64. bleedgreen says: May 17, 2011 2:30 PM

    LOL. Tell you what. Walk into your boss’s office today and demand that he show you his books. Then come back here and let us know his reaction.

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    When your pay is a percentage of your companies revenues, and by all appearances revenues are skyrocketing, but your boss says ‘You need to take a paycut, I’m just not making much money’, you would simply take him at face value right?

    You forget that this is a ‘partnership’ between 2 entities, the owners and the union/players. There is a signed contract between the 2 (well, not anymore, but there was) to split revenues based on financials. Why should they players just ‘believe’ that the owners are not making money, when by all appearances, revenue is growing? Where is the money going if the business isn’t working?

    With that said, I don’t believe DeSmith really wants a deal done yet. If he did, the deal would have been done.

  65. redsghost says: May 17, 2011 2:36 PM

    “This is the most played out retort known to man.”
    The most played out retort and yet the players side has yet to come up with a logical and well thought out Retort of their own- c’mon, how much practice time must the Players have to anwser this “played out retort”.

    “Walk in to your boss’ office and ask him to open the book. Well, my friend, this is a different situation from where you work.”
    Ummmmm no it’s not.
    “You see, the NFL is not the private sector, wanna know why? You, me, your neighbors, everybody, BUILT THE STADIUMS FOR THE OWNERS. ”
    Not the private sector? Does that mean the various Governors are signing the players checks now and not the owners? As to building the stadiums for the owners- I think Mr. Kraft and J.Jones would beg to differ with you as they financed the ENTIRE bill for their respective stadiums- Feel like a fool yet? ;-)

    “It is your piece of the pie that the owners are stealing. You pay taxes for things, don’t you expect to know what they are being used for?”
    Nope, not really. Townships, cities and states enter a common relationship/partnership with Team Owners as the financing of Stadiums co-exists with Tourism and the return on investment from the stadium financing. It’s not like we’re just simply giving a Team owner a billion dollars with NO expectations.
    Now, you MUST feel like a fool.

  66. jftreshj76 says: May 17, 2011 6:19 PM

    “First, kill all the lawyers.” Hamlet I think. Look, give me thirty minutes. No lawyers. “You want what percent of the take?” ” And you guys, what percent do you want?” Let’s see, 60 percent, 52 percent? Ok, you each get 56 per cent. Now shut your goddamn pie holes and lets all go home. All I would need is a couple of reasonable, conscientious people on each side of the table. Ain’t nobody starvin’ here! A regular season game this past season had a higher TV viewing audience than the final and deciding game of the World Series. Are you kidding me? Some of these greedy bastards need to taken out back and be beaten within an inch of their lives.

  67. voyager6 says: May 17, 2011 7:40 PM

    “@bleedgreen says:May 17, 2011 12:30 PM

    Maybe someone can answer this for me. There is no CBA right now, right? There is also no Union now, right? Can’t the owners just say ‘Here are the rules we’re going to abide by. The doors are open, and you’re free to come work if you are going to abide by these rules’, and anyone that doesn’t show up is considered a hold out and doesn’t get paid?”

    You forget. Any common agreement on anything between owners is potentially an anti-trust violation and could subject the owners to treble damages. They aren’t going to do anything without a CBA. The players want a paycheck, but the first time the owners do anything that the player’s don’t agree with will wind up in court.

    They can’t agree on a schedule, rules, or income sharing any TV revenue. In actually, they would have to void the existing TV contracts and each team would have to negotiate a TV contract to avoid an anti-trust lawsuit. (See total pie shrink..)

    THIS IS the Irreparable damage the owners will suffer if the lockout is lifted without a new CBA.

  68. thefiesty1 says: May 17, 2011 11:51 PM

    No deal is coming until DeMo is gone!

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