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Debating Peyton Manning’s place among quarterbacks

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Cris Collinsworth of NBC’s Sunday Night Football recently revealed his list of the top 12 NFL quarterback, with Tom Brady at the top and Peyton Manning just behind him.

Manning turns 35 this year, so it’s worth wondering: How long will he still be ranked that high?

Florio and Collinsworth discussed the issue on Monday’s PFT Live, with Florio believing Manning is going to start slipping soon.  Collinsworth disagrees.

“Without Peyton Manning, I’m not sure the Colts win more than 2 games last year,” Collinsworth said.

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  1. tjacks7 says: May 23, 2011 3:04 PM

    Peyton Manning
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    Other QBs

  2. willycents says: May 23, 2011 3:19 PM

    Peyton Manning is no longer in the league as an active qb. He has no contract with any team. If the season started tomorrow, he would not be playing.
    Pretty stupid to rate qbs not in the league against those who are in the league, wouldn’t you say? He would be more fitting in a list of FORMER NFL qbs.

  3. hardate says: May 23, 2011 3:25 PM

    I wish him and his five-head would retire.

  4. gregjennings85 says: May 23, 2011 3:29 PM

    Chris Collinsworth should have “less” at the end of his name.

    Seriously, I can picture a high school teacher of his writing the topic for an essay exam on the board, a young CC sees it, and begins:

    “Yeah…and when you talk about education, the first thing that comes to mind is teaching, and…one of the main things you need to know about teaching, is that it’s tough…”

    If Collinsworth thinks Brady’s #1, then I feel confident knowing that the NE signal-caller is not.

    If this were the wild west in the 19th century and CC informed me of his specific plan, area-wise, of where he inteded to grow crops, I would travel for about two days away from said spot.

  5. humb0lt says: May 23, 2011 3:43 PM

    Peyton looked pretty old when he threw four INTs, two of them returned for TDs, in front of the home crowd in prime time last season.

  6. jbcommonsense says: May 23, 2011 3:47 PM

    If this is an all-time list: #1. The end.

  7. kom2k10 says: May 23, 2011 3:54 PM

    First of all, I think it’s foolish to put a QB like Brady ahead of Manning considering 90% of Brady’s accomplishments that support his “greatness” were achieved during the 1st 6 years of his career where it was proven that he had the benefit of knowing what defenses were bringing with the whole “Spygate” scandal. That fact CANNOT be dismissed and he can’t just get a free pass on that!

    Early in Peyton’s career, the knock on him was that he “couldn’t win the big one”…

    In the past 4 years, he’s gotten to TWO Superbowls and won 1 of them despite his team being HORRIBLE on run defense, and HORRIBLE running the football. The Colts average almost the fewest possesions per game because his Defense can’t get off the field, and yet they are always a top 5 offense with the minimal opportunites that they get!!

    Considering he’s made it to 2 Superbowls in the last 4 years and won 1 of them WITHOUT a Spygate scandal, I don’t get how his “greatness” is actually diminishing among the media and Tom Brady’s continues to grow?? Brady’s postseason record since spygate is now 2-3!!!

    The Colts are a 4 win team (at best) without him, but you can plug any decent QB in w/ the Pats (i.e. Matt Cassel) and they’d still win 11 games.

  8. kellyb9 says: May 23, 2011 4:06 PM

    @kom2k10 – “First of all, I think it’s foolish to put a QB like Brady ahead of Manning considering 90% of Brady’s accomplishments that support his “greatness” were achieved during the 1st 6 years of his career where it was proven that he had the benefit of knowing what defenses were bringing with the whole “Spygate” scandal. ” Yeah, since then he’s only compiled a 16-0 regular season and two mvp awards… god he stinks without the help of cameras. If you’re seriously ranking who’s the best right now, the debate starts and ends with the guy who won the mvp last season. I mean seriously… 5 people modded you up? I know there’s a lot of hate for the guy and the team… but really?

  9. Rhode Island Patriots Fan says: May 23, 2011 4:10 PM

    Of course, Packers fans think Aaron Rodgers should be ranked first, Saints fans think Drew Brees should be ranked first, etc. Actually, I think Collinsworth’s rankings are fairly accurate, with one notable exception. Peyton Manning should be ranked first, and Tom Brady should be ranked second. I think Brady executes better than Manning under pressure. But Manning is smarter.

  10. horatio69 says: May 23, 2011 4:11 PM

    The only thing that matters is winning championships.

    Peyton has one, and on top of that he has a 9-10 playoff record. None of the other top-flight HOF QBs has such a crummy postseason record.

    Plus, I’m sick of all his commercials.

  11. jpmelon says: May 23, 2011 4:22 PM

    Brady has a supporting cast that help make him very successful. He has the highest paid coach in the league telling him what to do. When Brady missed the entire season, Matt Castle looked like a star QB as well. It hurts me to say (as a Bills fan) that Brady had an amazing year…..the amount of passes without an interception was most impressive to me.

    HOWEVER

    Peyton Manning calls his own plays and has seen plenty of success while playing on a team that would fail if he missed the entire season. The Colts would not be a playoff contender if Peyton was gone.

    Obviously, from this perspective, Manning deserves to be regarded as the #1 QB.

  12. jjrs89 says: May 23, 2011 4:22 PM

    Cris Collinsworth looks like a cobra

  13. rc33 says: May 23, 2011 4:24 PM

    This “the Colts are a 4-win team without Manning” assessments are stupid but most importantly, unprovable. Period.
    No one can prove any such thing so you might as well leave your conjecture and speculation out of the conversation.
    No one knocks Joe Montana’s legacy because he played with The Greatest Wide Reciever in NFL History do they?
    I do not know how many rings Manning would’ve had with Belichick as his Head Coach or how many more TD passes Brady would’ve had with Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne for his entire career. And neither do you.
    The only thing I’m certain of is Peyton will not be playing in N.E. anythime soon and Brady won’t be a Colt, either.
    They will both be Top 5 All-Time when they’re done. Right now, they are 1 and 1A in either direction.

  14. ampats says: May 23, 2011 4:29 PM

    Kellyb9,

    Couldn’t have said it better. This site is filled with alot of people based on what they say shows they probably watch a game or two a season .Kom2k10 obviously has some issues.

    With that said, Peyton Manning is one of the two best QB’s in the NFL. Without him, the Colts win no more than 3 games. But PM has shown the uncanny ability to throw the pick at the wrong times in key games and that goes to being the best and a winner!

  15. buffaloblows says: May 23, 2011 4:33 PM

    @Rhode Island Patriots Fan
    Of course, Packers fans think Aaron Rodgers should be ranked first, Saints fans think Drew Brees should be ranked first, etc. Actually, I think Collinsworth’s rankings are fairly accurate, with one notable exception. Peyton Manning should be ranked first, and Tom Brady should be ranked second. I think Brady executes better than Manning under pressure. But Manning is smarter.

    I completely agree with that assessment and am completely impressed with your ability to not be biased towards your own team.im neither a colts or pats fan but due to football intelligence and ability to run the game manning is the best hands down.Its not often PFT posters can show that kind of non-bias so kudos.thumbs up!

  16. jpak12 says: May 23, 2011 4:33 PM

    Collinsworths rankings are accurate.

    People need to get over the Brady hate, really you are very naive if you think the Patriots were the only team taping defensive signals, a large number of coaches admitted that it was rampant throughout the NFL, the NFL even sent a letter to all NFL teams demanding that they stop. But I have come to expect most fans to ignore facts.

    Now I’m not saying you have to be a fan of Brady, you are definatley allowed to not like him, I can see how people can not be a fan of him. But for christs sake atleast respect the mans accomplishments.

    He has three rings

    Possibly the two greatest seasons ever by a QB

    First QB to ever get 200 TDs without throwing
    100 INTs

    Highest win % among QBs

    4th fastest player to reach 200 TDs

    Most completions in a SB

    Most completions in SB history

    Most passes without an INT

    Among others…

    As I said I can understand not being a fan of him, but downplaying his accomplishments is just sad and makes you look pathetic.

  17. southbeachtalent says: May 23, 2011 4:33 PM

    Not only is Peyton the best QB I have ever seen play the game, he should have won 5-6 mvp’s. He is truly the most valuable player.

  18. obsession55 says: May 23, 2011 4:51 PM

    I’m so sick of these Manning-Brady “debates”. Its impossible to pick 1 over the other in a team game like football, you can’t just compare stats and wins/losses.

    They’re both great…’nuff said

  19. bcjim says: May 23, 2011 4:54 PM

    Manning? He isnt even as good as Ryan Leaf, right???

  20. ppdoc13 says: May 23, 2011 4:55 PM

    All you Manning apologists still can’t account for his lousy playoff record and lack of rings. Peyton may be the greatest regular season QB in the history of the NFL but if you are going to talk about all time, you have to include what happens in the playoffs and SB’s. This is why Dan Marino will never be considered for the #1 position.

    When it comes to the playoffs Manning’s shirt collar tightens up in a big way. In his one SB win, he was average at best. In his second SB he threw the pick 6 that won the game for the other team. His playoff record is a very mediocre 9 – 10. And frankly those things destroy his regular season accomplishments.

    This was the same problem he had in college. It followed him to the pros and it will follow him into the HOF. When the stage gets big, Manning gets small. Now that will piss off the Colt and Peyton fans, but truth hurts and it is the truth. The stats don’t lie.

  21. The Prophet says: May 23, 2011 5:01 PM

    “Without Peyton Manning, I’m not sure the Colts win more than 2 games last year,” Collinsworth said.

    Funny how that is always the argument for why Peyton is so great and why he should win MVP every year. Problem is you could make that same statement for about half of the NFL, EVERY SINGLE YEAR!

    What else makes Peyton great, how he constantly loses in the playoffs? he won one SB with no TD’s and 2 INT because of over 200 rushing yards and defensive turnovers. His 2nd SB he lost with a game losing INT, and then a failed last drive.

    There are quite a few above both Brady & Manning, but Brady will always be greater than Peyton.

    Peyton Manning is Dan Marino with a better surrounding cast. Big friggin deal.

  22. 2mannings1cup says: May 23, 2011 5:04 PM

    Brady and Manning have both done so much for the game, both have exceptional qualities, and both rank among the top quarterbacks of all-time. We are lucky to have them in the same era, as rivals. Debate all you want, they are miles ahead of other QB’s and would both admit that they bring something unique to the game.

  23. siggy00 says: May 23, 2011 5:08 PM

    Overrated. For all of his regular season success he’s a dog in the playoffs. 10 of 19 career playoff games Peyton’s offense has failed to score 20 points.

    And for all of the grief Ben Roethlisberger gets for his SB XL performance why does the media ignore Peyton’s 3 TD pass 7 pick ENTIRE POST SEASON the year he won his ring?

  24. bwisnasky says: May 23, 2011 5:11 PM

    The Colts are a 4 win team without Manning not because of Manning’s greatness, but because of the fact they have absolutely no viable option at QB if/when he finally does get hurt. Granted, they have other issues, and lot of them, and Manning does help cover up the stink of their running game and their defensive woes sometimes, but overall, the reason they would be ineffective without him is that they have never seriously addressed the need for a backup QB, especially since they lost Sorgi….

  25. tjacks7 says: May 23, 2011 5:14 PM

    LOL @ willycents

    If the NFL season started tomorrow, there’d be at least 25 teams lined up at Peytons door with contract offers. Let’s not talk like Manning can’t find a team to play for.

  26. dcpatfan says: May 23, 2011 5:20 PM

    Gentlemen,
    Let me make this simple.
    His place? Behind Brady.

  27. mvp43 says: May 23, 2011 5:22 PM

    I realize that Manning’s skills have diminished slightly but he is still #1 on my list. Obviously, Brady is a great QB as well, but the way Manning has total command of the offense, and the way he makes adjustments at the line is real special. I think he has changed the way that QB’s now play the game now.

  28. kom2k10 says: May 23, 2011 5:27 PM

    @ kellyb9 and @ ampats:

    I never said that Tom Brady wasn’t a good QB. I’m just saying when the vast majority of his accomplishments were achieved during 6 seasons in which his own coach admitted to cheating, that negates A LOT of he accomplished. Yes, the patriots had a great 06 season, but AGAIN… Tom didn’t perform in the playoffs!

    Here are his last 5 playoff games since Spygate:
    2007: GREAT game against the Jaguars and Won.
    2007: CHOKED in the AFC championship game with 3 INT’s against the Chargers but his Defense bailed him out again, but the media says it was another “clutch win” by mr. brady.
    2007: Superbowl: Choked again despite being an 11 point favorite.

    2008: missed playoffs/ injured for season

    2009: Choked at home in 1st round against the Ravens.

    2010: Choked at home against the Jets.

    The facts are, Brady has really made a name for himself in the post season. My point is, since spygate, he’s been a bad post season QB. If you really want to get into a Regular Season Stat debate like MVP’s and great regular sesaon win totals against Peyton Manning to justify why Tom Brady’s better, you’re going to lose that argument in a landslide.

    The bottom line is Tom Brady’s reputation has been earned in the Playoffs, but all those accolades came during the Spygate years, and he’s been below average at best in the Playoffs since Spygate.

  29. schemefactory says: May 23, 2011 5:28 PM

    manning couldn’t hold aaron rodgers’ jock.

  30. agentcharlescarmichael says: May 23, 2011 5:48 PM

    So many people bring up the fact of Matt “Cassel” (for those of you who spell his name incorrectly, just shows you watch probably two games a year anyway) took the reigns for a year with the patriots and they still did good..does it click in anyone else’s head that Cassel might be a good quarterback. People crap on Brady because Cassel did good. But he is STILL doing good on another team! The guy had 27/7 touchdown to interception ratio last year! does everyone have to win the mvp award and win a couple superbowls to be considered a pretty good player? oh well, if i got any satisfaction out of this it was that i can waste the time and feel worthy of opinion because i actually watch every minute i can unlike some of these people that watch a game or two and know everything under the sun about football.

  31. phonecops says: May 23, 2011 5:50 PM

    If it’s all about championships, then it’s Starr and Bradshaw as #1 and #2.
    And please don’t tell Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino (1 ring vs zero).
    It’s not all about the rings, and it’s not all about the post season… but they do count.

    Is Manning better than Brady? In my opinion, yes. but I also think Barry Sanders is better than Walter Payton. we can argue all day about it, but let us at least use sensible arguments.

  32. rc33 says: May 23, 2011 5:53 PM

    Wow.
    I think Manning is an All-Time great but two of his MVP’s were genuinely deserved and his Super Bowl MVP was a gift as well.
    Someone explain how Brees finished a distant 2nd to Peyton in ’09 after putting up fewer INT’s, six more TD passes, a higher QB-rating with pretty much an identical team record? And Manning won going away. Not to mention would-be sympathetic voters who often think “Mannings already got 3 of these, let’s give it to the other guy?” I think Brees got jobbed that year.
    The numbers indicate that Philip Rivers had a better season than Peyton the year before and in that ’06 Super Bowl, the difference was clearly the Colt running game, along with Freeney, Mathis and Bob Sanders.

  33. comeonnowguys says: May 23, 2011 5:54 PM

    Listen, I like Brady. I just thing he’s a tad overloved in proportion with actual ability.

    Look at his numbers vs. the Rams in the Super Bowl, he threw for 145 yards, one TD and got a Super Bowl MVP for that.

    They had a strong D and a solid offensive line. You give a lot of QBs the time Brady has enjoyed over his career, and I’m sure their accuracy would shoot up.

    It’s Peyton/Rodgers and then everyone else, imo.

  34. leftysmoke says: May 23, 2011 5:55 PM

    schemefactory says:
    May 23, 2011 5:28 PM
    manning couldn’t hold aaron rodgers’ jock.
    ——————–

    Someone delete this tard’s account.

    If you put Manning on any team, they instantly become a contender. Brady has a nice skill set, but the mental preparation and genius that is Manning has no comparison. What happened when Brady was hurt? The Patriots were still good. They just have a great coach, who may be a cheater, but he’s still a great coach.

    Peyton Manning > Tom Brady and every other QB in the league

    It’s simple, guys. Oh, and…

    GO COLTS!

  35. ninerdynasty says: May 23, 2011 5:57 PM

    any dummy in this site that is saying that Manning should retire or is anything else but a top 2 QB in this league is a dummy, a Pats fan or just doesn’t know anything about football. You guys need to realize that you’re watching history a legend and appreciate his talent. He could end up being arguably the best QB in history once is all set adn done. Manning is a class act and i have a lot of respect for him the same way i respect Joe Montana.

  36. quarterbacksdontwinorlosesuperbowls says: May 23, 2011 6:02 PM

    I’m a Redskins fan, so I obviously have no bias (we don’t have a legitimate qb on our roster, and have not had one for a very long time). That being said, Aaron Rodgers is currently the best qb in the league. I’m not talking about historically, I’m talking about the present. He is smart, athletic, has a hell of an arm (much improved since college), and is cool as a cucumber. He’s the guy.

  37. blaz0037 says: May 23, 2011 6:15 PM

    Peyton Manning is no longer in the league as an active qb. He has no contract with any team. If the season started tomorrow, he would not be playing.
    Pretty stupid to rate qbs not in the league against those who are in the league, wouldn’t you say? He would be more fitting in a list of FORMER NFL qbs.

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    By far the dumbest thing I’ve seen in a long time.

  38. blaz0037 says: May 23, 2011 6:20 PM

    The only thing that matters is winning championships.

    ___________________________

    So Trent Dilfer was better than Dan Marino?

  39. blaz0037 says: May 23, 2011 6:21 PM

    give me 1 game, 1 qb……1 game for my life…

    I’d take Manning….without hesitation.

  40. jersey73 says: May 23, 2011 6:26 PM

    Colinsworth ranks Brady #1 and Peyton #2…but then says without Peyton the Colts would win 2 games (yet without Brady, the Pats won 10 games.)

    So wouldn’t that mean Peyton > Brady???

  41. hobartbaker says: May 23, 2011 6:42 PM

    Potato is easy to overlook because he is so bland. In the Fortune list of marketable athletes he didn’t make the top 50, even though rookies Sam Bradford and Tim Tebow (3 career starts) did. Manning will find a place in history as the 50 pound elephant in the room. Everyone knows he is there but they can’t be bothered to acknowledge his presence.

  42. rc33 says: May 23, 2011 6:49 PM

    …and Tracy Porter would promptly end your life.

  43. dewalt2990 says: May 23, 2011 6:50 PM

    Stafford > Manning > Brady

  44. ernieernie says: May 23, 2011 6:50 PM

    Peyton Manning is someone you love to hate because he is so good. He will break all the records and stand on top when all is said and done.
    My issue is fan based. Which QB was the most exciting and gave the fans the most excitement. Yes in Indiana they can say Manning, and it NE they can say Brady but over the years, were talking league excitement, someone you wanted to watch even if on another team:

    1. Bret Favre
    2. Bobby Layne
    3. Fran Tarkington
    4. Joe Montana
    5. Joe Namath

    These guys made the NFL exciting to watch and that has something more to say that passes completed and games won.

  45. billsfan1 says: May 23, 2011 6:55 PM

    If Joe namath is in the hall of fame, this isn’t a debate….imagine if polian gave two craps about the defense at all

  46. massappeal12345 says: May 23, 2011 6:59 PM

    One thing worth mentioning. Manning’s offense was filled with numerous first round picks. Over the years, Brady has had to line up with much less.

  47. RoofDude says: May 23, 2011 7:04 PM

    southbeachtalent says: May 23, 2011 4:33 PM

    Not only is Peyton the best QB I have ever seen play the game, he should have won 5-6 mvp’s. He is truly the most valuable player.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    southbeach must be pretty young.

    Manning is a great QB, no doubt. He may just be the best student of the game to ever play QB. He is meticulous, & very efficient. However, his playoff record is less than stellar. Not hate… just facts. I liken Manning to Marino. At the time… Marino was throwing up numbers, that were far above anyone else. He was amazing. Just couldnt get the rings.

    When talking all-time… unless Manning gets at LEAST another ring, he wont be in the top 5 all-time. The game is defined by winning championships. Guys like Bart Starr, Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw, Roger Staubach, Tom Brady, etc.. will be above Manning (like they are above Marino) unless Manning wins more championships.

    Dont get me wrong, I believe Manning is great. Possibly the most talented ever. It takes more than talent to be great though. It takes heart.

    IMO to be in the top of the all-time list…. you have to win championships.

  48. rc33 says: May 23, 2011 7:08 PM

    Polian used all his high picks to help Manning and his offense. Wayne, Gonzalez, Addai, Tarik Glenn all 1st rounders, Dallas Clark and others in the 2nd, etc…
    So Polian decides to use most of his picks on offense; a conscious choice to try and win shootouts because he knew he had a great QB. Please explain how, statistically, that doesn’t benefit Peyton?

  49. RoofDude says: May 23, 2011 7:15 PM

    blaz0037 says: May 23, 2011 6:20 PM

    So Trent Dilfer was better than Dan Marino?

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    That is an absurd comment. Dilfer was garbage & everyone knows it. How many QB’s get cut after winning a Super Bowl..?

    It’s also what makes endless sports arguments. There are always exceptions. To use the championship comment in that context with a ridiculous statement comparing Dilfer to Marino is just retarded.

    NOBODY…… probably not even Dilfers own mother would consider him as good as Marino. Nobody in their right mind would use the word great to describe Dilfer. Dilfer is not even in the top 100 greatest QB’s of all time.

  50. amanitoomerisgod says: May 23, 2011 7:32 PM

    Championships, MVPs, wins, TD/INT ratio, hair, forehead surface area…
    There are many ways we may go about evaluating and ranking QBs, however football is a team sport. A sport that relies heavily on a lucky bounce here, the grazing of a fingertip there and in LT’s case, the purity of the charlie. Coaches have a say, coordinators have a say, trainers have a say, mistresses have a say.
    In the end, all we can do as fans is sit back and watch and evaluate greatness for ourselves using that same word that is used to assess so many athletes, let alone QBs…”intangibles.” Greatness is like the classic definition of obscenity. We know it when we see it.
    Tom Brady is great, there is no doubt. But my money is on Peyton. I’ve seen him do too many great things. I’ve marveled at too many of his performances for me to allow a 9-10 playoff record be the be all and end all of assessing his greatness.
    One guy I feel for is Donovan McNabb. For several seasons he was a dominant QB in this league and all he does is get crapped on. There is no bigger Giants fan than me and I gotta tell you, seeing this guy twice a year for all those years, that guy is great. His only knock, aside from the aspersions cast on his Super Bowl two minute drill, is that he randomly throws balls into the ground. Sometimes I have to believe this is on purpose, but he did/does do this a lot.
    The last decade’s great QBs:
    Peyton, Brady, McNabb, Brees, Rodgers.
    Rodgers is the next Joe Montana.
    Someone said something about Peyton throwing interceptions at the most inopportune of times, but that honor obviously goes to Favre. While Favre has a lot of great numbers and many consider him a great, the guy just threw too many soul crushing INTs throughout his entire career, not just in the NFC Championship against my beloved Giants.

  51. rc33 says: May 23, 2011 7:47 PM

    “….aspersions cast on his two-minute Super Bowl drill?”
    Not aspersions, my man.
    That was a pretty darned big demerit.
    Peyton is an All-Time great but that was a monumental screw up on the biggest stage sports has to offer.
    If Tom Brady had done that, Manning fans would never stop talking about it.

  52. rc33 says: May 23, 2011 8:01 PM

    My bad, dude.
    Re-read your post and saw your Super Bowl comment pertained to McNabb, not Manning.

  53. andrejohnsonforpresident says: May 23, 2011 8:17 PM

    Can matt schuab not get any love?? Jeez

  54. massappeal12345 says: May 23, 2011 8:44 PM

    One thing worth mentioning. Manning’s offense was filled with numerous first round picks. Over the years, Brady has had to line up with much less

    I also should have added, at least 9 games a year in a dome, PLUS two hall of fame receivers.

  55. leftysmoke says: May 23, 2011 9:01 PM

    blaz0037 says:
    May 23, 2011 6:21 PM
    give me 1 game, 1 qb……1 game for my life…

    I’d take Manning….without hesitation.

    ————————-

    Good point.
    _____________________________

    massappeal12345 says:
    May 23, 2011 6:59 PM
    One thing worth mentioning. Manning’s offense was filled with numerous first round picks. Over the years, Brady has had to line up with much less.

    ————————-

    Explain how he took the Colts to the Super Bowl with a fledgling Collie and Garcon? Did you ever consider that Dallas Clark and Reggie Wayne could have been just two more “guys” in the league if they weren’t playing with Manning? And this is coming from a huge Clark fan. The guy makes people infinitely better due to his style and scheme. Period.

  56. rc33 says: May 23, 2011 10:43 PM

    There’s no comparison between the number of high picks the Colts have used to help Manning and the Indy offense vs. the number NE has used to help Brady over the years. No comparison. It’s right there for everyone to see.
    And Brady has helped more than his share of pedestrian WR’s put up numbers. What’d Deion Branch, Daniel Graham and David Givens do after they left town for big bucks? All 3 were unquestionably bad signings by Seattle, Denver and Tenn.
    Reche Caldwell was NE’s #1 receiver in ’06, The next year, in ’07, he was the Redskins #5 receiver before being waived and never heard from again. Jabar Gaffney was out of football when the Patriots signed him. Two years later, he got a $12 million deal from the Broncos.

  57. kom2k10 says: May 24, 2011 2:18 AM

    Okay, everyone keeps talking about Peyton’s offensive weapons. Anyone ever think that he makes them great? Literally, can anyone name ANY WR or TE that Manning played a significant amount of snaps with that didn’t produce???

    Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Anthony Gonzales, Pierre Garcon, Brandon Stoakley, Dallas Clark, Tamme, Austin Collie, Marcus Pollard, Blaire White…

    Literally, can anyone name someone who played a decent amount of downs with the guy that didn’t produce??? Is Polian really that great and NEVER missed on a draft pick? I doubt it, I literally think he can make anyone look good…

  58. siggy00 says: May 24, 2011 2:29 AM

    “give me 1 game, 1 qb……1 game for my life…

    I’d take Manning….without hesitation”

    Nice knowin’ ya.

  59. billsfan1 says: May 24, 2011 3:18 AM

    1A, 1b, 1c……Montana, Brady, Manning…..in any order u like…Montana and Brady are one in the same if u ask me, and that’s not a bad thing……manning reminds me of Jim Kelly with his ability to call his own plays, although JK I believe had a better record in the play offs (not counting super bowls of course)….I’ve watched Brady kick our ass for 10 years but don’t underestimate calling ur own plays….other than manning / Kelly, who else was very good at it….
    Anyways, that my list of top 3 , all bunched together

  60. ryanmallettsbluntwrap says: May 24, 2011 11:58 AM

    This is really simple , who has more Rings ? Who has more MVP awards , who set the regular season TD record ? Brady is better without a doubt , Manning use to be a bit better , but now he is an interception throwing machine , i will always remember that interception in the superbowl were he let his whole team down , SHARPER FOR THE PICK 6 . LOL

  61. belicheckyoself says: May 26, 2011 6:46 PM

    I still think Montana is better than both. Guy like never choked after he started winning, and they both have one choke each. Still #2 and #3 though.
    However- Brady is the qb you’d rather have simply because Manning syphons off so much versatility on the team. Everything has to be drafted, trained, coached, and practice around him, even the defense, strangely enough. If he’s snapped off at the drumstick, your season is over, the brain’s been killed. When Brady got hurt, multiple vines grew in his place and they missed the playoffs at 11-5 winning 4 or 5 straight. Some people think this hurts TB, but the fact is he wants to win more than any other QB every single year, and I’d rather have that than anything else.

  62. golonger says: Jun 4, 2011 7:16 PM

    Peyton Manning = one of the most over-rated QBs of all-time. He is a choke artist of supreme order. The only way he won one SB was because his defense (which was subpar during the season), became the best in the playoffs..otherwise, everyone would still be saying he cannot win the big one. Look at his meager playoff record.

    Comparing him to Brady is a joke. Brady plays in bad weather and still breaks his records……and has equaled him in this career with average offensive personnel.

    Nobody has ever been given more offensive talent in the history of the league than Manning and the results do not speak to success. One SB (and that was because his defense rose up) Sure he has great stats but look at all the other QBs that are besting his records now (Brees, Brady, Rivers). Time will show that these big stats are a result of how the game has changed…………..

    …..sorry Manning fans!

  63. golonger says: Jun 4, 2011 7:17 PM

    billsfan….who else were good at calling there own plays???…….pretty much every QB of the seventies and early eighties……….

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