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Bills cut pension payments

Marcell Dareus, Ralph Wilson Jr. AP

Sadly, we have another addition to our list of teams docking pay during the lockout.

The Buffalo Bills have cut pension plan payments to all employees, including the coaching staff.  The team confirmed to the Associated Press that they have cut the payments and “will decide at a later date whether to reinstate them for 2011 based on our financial performance.”

We previously knew the Bills cut employee pay during the lockout up to 25%.

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  1. arnoldziffel says: May 25, 2011 11:48 AM

    A new low.

    When these owners die, I suspect they’ll want their cash stuffed into their coffins with them. No tens or twenties please … in fact, no denomination lower than a hundred.

    As if that will make them smell better.

  2. schemefactory says: May 25, 2011 11:55 AM

    hey all you bored league employees always siding with the owners on this site: how you like them apples? and the raiders are reportedly forcing their employees to help solicit season ticket buyers by telephone, or face wage cuts. how you like your team owner bosses now? think they’re fair?

  3. patsfan says: May 25, 2011 11:56 AM

    That looks more like the Bills using the work stoppage as an excuse to roll back expenses than a lockout related move.

  4. meyerla says: May 25, 2011 11:58 AM

    The other owners should let this organization die like any other business would that couldn’t get customers. Wilson whines about a bad deal but really he wants the league to orient its agreement to save his failure.

  5. godofwine330 says: May 25, 2011 11:59 AM

    This is a damned shame. These owners haven’t even lost any money or games yet and they are already doing this. How about taking your third cousin on your mother’s side off the payroll? How the American public can be on the owners side is beyond me. Come to work, don’t miss a day, but be payed 25% less and your pension is cut, also. Greed. Pure and simple.

  6. arbiterflick says: May 25, 2011 12:00 PM

    This really is a new low, and probably the ugliest thing to come from this lockout.

    We know the lockout will end eventually, but you KNOW they won’t reinstate them for 2011, and just bank it all.

    For shame, Buffalo.

  7. wcpatsfan says: May 25, 2011 12:00 PM

    Some former Bill’s player woke up this morning – with every musle in his body aching because he gave his all to his team – just to find out his $50 a week check just got reduced to $25. Classy move Bill’s and NFL. Keep up the good work… JERKS

  8. majbobby says: May 25, 2011 12:02 PM

    So players let me ask you…..

    When are you coming to the Table?

    Owners – 2 proposals
    Players – 0 Counters Offers.

    Now your rank and file starting to speak out and the Agents as well…

    D Smith your drive to “win” is going to kill this game.

  9. brownsfn says: May 25, 2011 12:10 PM

    Ralph Wilson is the SCUMBAG owner of the league…This guy takes the cake…

  10. tombradyhonorsociety says: May 25, 2011 12:15 PM

    The Toronto Bills would NEVER let that happen :)

  11. majbobby says: May 25, 2011 12:15 PM

    Brownsfn.

    SUMBAG Owner huh, yeah I guess he could have been like your owner and MOVE THE TEAM from under your nose.

    No what did Ralph do, kept the Bills in Buffalo, Opened the Stadium up to the CLE Fans for Browns Days, so your fans could enjoy football because YOUR owner took your team from you.

  12. dryzzt23 says: May 25, 2011 12:16 PM

    Hold on just a sec here….the economy in NW NY is not good, plus with ever rising PLAYER expenses it has become increasingly difficult to remain competitive. Not to mention the abhorrent tax structure of NY state and the ever-present labor unions which suck the life out of any economy that they are close to.

    If the players did not cost so much, and taxes were lower, and there were no unions in NY, the Bills would not have a problem turning a profit.

    Don’t blame the owners b/c the fact of the matter is that owners have to cover ALL expenses, the players cover NONE whatsoever and it is the PLAYERS who pocket all of the cash and are liabilities to the franchise.

  13. moochzilla says: May 25, 2011 12:18 PM

    Classy, that’s all I have to say.

    I have lost all respect for Ralph Wilson. Is he out of money this early in the game?

  14. majbobby says: May 25, 2011 12:21 PM

    moochzilla,

    Guess it is time to bash the Bills, when Fact is that almost every team has done some cost cutting for awhile now.

  15. moochzilla says: May 25, 2011 12:21 PM

    dryzzt,

    Like a Pavlovian dog you lick up the trash that Ralph Wilson puts out there.

    He was counting on people like you saying exactly what you said when he decided to gouge his LOYAL employees who HE HIMSELF made promises to.

    This will be my enduring memory of Ralph Wilson. This shows who he truly is. It is not in good times when we see people for who they are, its in the bad times.

    And his franchise won’t even be in Buffalo a year after he’s gone.

  16. willycents says: May 25, 2011 12:23 PM

    wcpatsfan says:May 25, 2011 12:00 PM

    Some former Bill’s player woke up this morning – with every musle in his body aching because he gave his all to his team – just to find out his $50 a week check just got reduced to $25. Classy move Bill’s and NFL. Keep up the good work… JERKS
    —————————————————

    “The Buffalo Bills have cut pension plan payments to all employees, including the coaching staff. ”

    from article above
    ——————————————————–

    Coul I suggest reading comprehension classes?
    Clearly stated above that the retirement plan payment cuts applies to CURRENT employees retirement plans, not retired players paychecks.
    In fact, directly to you, do the Bills provide a direct payment retirement plan to their retired players? Please advise us to your knowledge of the particulars of such plan since you obviously know all about it, ie, amount of payment, scedule of payments, etc. Thanks

  17. EJ says: May 25, 2011 12:25 PM

    majbobby says:
    May 25, 2011 12:15 PM
    Brownsfn.

    SUMBAG Owner huh, yeah I guess he could have been like your owner and MOVE THE TEAM from under your nose.

    No what did Ralph do, kept the Bills in Buffalo, Opened the Stadium up to the CLE Fans for Browns Days, so your fans could enjoy football because YOUR owner took your team from you.

    I second that emotion…

    Brownsfn, think before you speak. Signed, Buffalo Bills Fan

  18. schemefactory says: May 25, 2011 12:27 PM

    yeah, a guy making money off browns fans heartbreak is almost altruistic, here’s how the raiders are jerking their employees over:http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6564000

  19. schemefactory says: May 25, 2011 12:29 PM

    hey dryzz23: how exactly are the employees who sell and make the money a liability? you’re obviously no economist…

  20. dryzzt23 says: May 25, 2011 12:35 PM

    Suppose the court forced the NFL to end the lockout and make the teams let players come to the teams facilities to work out, etc.

    If, at a work out at a teams facility, a player gets injured and no CBA is in place. The team is liable and would have to pay for the injury, plus the player could sue the team. The cost of the teams legal defense and any damages that they would have to pay would force the team to lay off employees or cut salaries.

    I think it’s a great idea for the lockout to remain in place so that owners are protected from pseudo-injuries and lawsuits from players.

    Also, once the lockout ends, teams will HAVE to have a certain amount of cash on hand with which to pay signing bonuses to rookies and free agents. If they have to spend all of their money on legal defenses and employee salaries, then that cash would not be there for the players.

    Therefore, players and fans should be applauding the owners for this, not villifying them. If anything fans should call for the players to give back some of their salaries to help the regular employees.

  21. bigyellow83 says: May 25, 2011 12:49 PM

    I can empathize with the employees but how is it any different then what millions of Americans have already suffered over the last few years. Reduced wages, frozen wages, lost pensions, sounds like the recession has come to the NFL.

  22. skoobyfl says: May 25, 2011 12:50 PM

    Ralph has a plan to take the Bills with him when he passes, all the way to the Gate of Hades.

  23. nightman13 says: May 25, 2011 12:50 PM

    @dryzzt23-

    Could you possibly be any more ignorant? Without unions workers would have no rights, which is the whole reason unions were created. Owners were bullying and taking gross advantage of their employees, and unions were the only way to get the company to treat workers like human beings.

    Secondly, the owners in every business are responsible for expenses. Plus certain NFL owners CREATE their expense issues. Did Jerry Jones need to build a $1.2 billion stadium? Detroit, Indy, Tampa Bay and other cities build moderately priced stadiums, all got Super Bowls and all have reasonable expenses.

    Do you have a job? Do you pay for the building you work in? I’m guessing you don’t just like 99% of the rest of us.

    Players have no liabilities? Really, how many owners can’t walk when they retire?

    Keep your red slanting illogical ranting to yourself.

  24. airraid77 says: May 25, 2011 12:57 PM

    If your govt and standing party in the white would operate on the same principle as the rest of us and those who actually have to earn an income, we would be far better off as a country….
    The rich owe nothing to their employees….as bad as that sounds, its true. No money coming in, no money going out.

  25. xcbyers says: May 25, 2011 1:12 PM

    Couple things:

    1st. They’re a small market team, so seeing them have to do (messed up) things like this isn’t very shocking. But one would assume they wouldn’t be put in this position until closer to the season. But it does seem like the FO is jumping the gun on this and it’s baffling why they went right for the pension so quickly.

    2nd Concerning the whole bad owner argument with the Browns. Yes Art Moddell did one of the most despicable things you can do as an NFL owners in the history of the league. But out of the current owners right now I put Wilson, Brown and Davis in the conversation for top 3 worst owners.

  26. moochzilla says: May 25, 2011 1:18 PM

    He’s looking to weasel out on the pension he PROMISED to provide. There is 0% that the pension plan will be renewed, this is just an excuse.

  27. moochzilla says: May 25, 2011 1:21 PM

    dryzzt hate union. He skill-less middle America white man with no control over life. He want all others to have no power.

  28. jeff061 says: May 25, 2011 1:25 PM

    It is a business. If the horizon looks gloomy – you either lay peopel off or cut back.

    Makes perfect sense.

  29. benh999 says: May 25, 2011 1:25 PM

    In all fairness, both Wilson and the Bills are worth far less than most (or perhaps all) other owners and their teams.

  30. hobartbaker says: May 25, 2011 1:26 PM

    Ralph never goes out without his new friend Marcel these days, in case he runs into a disgruntled employee.

  31. effjohntaylornorelation says: May 25, 2011 1:30 PM

    First, this is a shame to all of those affected by this. Second, this just furthers the belief that Bills ower, Ralph Wilson, is cheap beyond reason. I wonder if Mr. Wilson would be in the position he is today without the labors of all those former employees with whom he is taking back from today? For the record, in the current labor battle, I side with the owners and am ANTI union.

  32. vahawker says: May 25, 2011 1:34 PM

    schemefactory says: May 25, 2011 11:55 AM

    hey all you bored league employees always siding with the owners on this site: how you like them apples? and the raiders are reportedly forcing their employees to help solicit season ticket buyers by telephone, or face wage cuts. how you like your team owner bosses now? think they’re fair

    ***********************************************

    Again, because you agree with one side or the other on the CBA does not mean you have to agree with them on EVERY issue.

    You seriously have a problem with the Raiders actually expecting some work out of their employees? If there is no work to be done under their job description, I guess they should be allowed to surf on-line all day and still pick up a check at the end of the day or maybe Al should just lay them off until this blows over.

    People like you are the same non-thinking people who vote straight D or R every election cycle regardless of the candidate or issues.

  33. melonnhead says: May 25, 2011 1:56 PM

    That old codger is using the labor crap to fleece his employees. Silly old fool should consider taking his worthless name off of the stadium that taxpayers paid for 100% and putting up a corporate sponsor’s name. Maybe Depends Undergarments will pony up an extra $50 a year or so that will go straight into Ralph’s wallet, just like everything else.

  34. capslockkey says: May 25, 2011 2:01 PM

    This needs some clarification. Are the Bills simply not contributing to the pension fund, or retired guys not getting checks? There is a HUGE difference between the two.

    If all the Bills are doing is not contributing employer shares to a 401k or something temporarily, then this is extremely overblown. Now if ex-employees are not receiving money they should, then yeah this is a total dick move (is it even legal?).

  35. patsfan says: May 25, 2011 2:27 PM

    bigyellow83 says:
    “I can empathize with the employees but how is it any different then what millions of Americans have already suffered over the last few years. Reduced wages, frozen wages, lost pensions, sounds like the recession has come to the NFL.”

    Here is how it is different:

    The only recession the NFL is facing is the artificial one they create for the little people as the owners and players bicker about how to carve up that ever increasing revenue stream. Folks with no say or stake in the outcome are getitng hammered over crumbs, waiting for the argument over billiopns to be settled.

  36. majbobby says: May 25, 2011 2:30 PM

    “Chief executive officer Russ Brandon confirmed in an e-mail to The Associated Press on Tuesday that the Bills had stopped paying into the 401K plan for the duration of the lockout and “will decide at a later date whether to reinstate them for 2011 based on our financial performance.” Brandon said all employees had been notified early on that the plan was being amended so that all team contributions would be discretionary for this year.”

    FROM the ACTUAL Article.

    The Bills are just Stopping paying into the 401K plan….

    And ALL employees KNEW about this long ago.

  37. irishjackmp says: May 25, 2011 2:36 PM

    This is an incredibly misleading headline.

    “Bills cut pension payments”??? Uh, no.

    “Bills cut pension contributions” is more like it.

    The headline gives the false impression that old people are going to be out on the street eating dog food because some evil billionare wants to make more money. It is an incredibly misleading headline. No pensioners (whether they be former employees or former players) are not going to receive their pension checks.

    I am really starting to get cynical about the media. Whenever they put up an inacurate headline, it’s always done in such a way to make the story more sensationalized… but I guess that’s just a coincidence (cue sarcasm).

    As for WIlson being “greedy” I can’t disagree more. If $$$ was this guys motivation he would have moved the team out of Buffalo long ago.

  38. airraid77 says: May 25, 2011 2:38 PM

    patsfan,
    this is where people are nuts…..just because you have more doesnt mean you should have to give more….that by definition redistribution of wealth.
    By your definition you should give the guys who make less than you whatever is deemed excess. OR you should be willing to pay the top tax rate. I mean we do want to be fair.

  39. ocdn says: May 25, 2011 3:18 PM

    Scott Walker (Gov. Wisc) must be proud to see somebody else attacking somebody elses pension money they contributed to…..Losers.

  40. andrewfbrowne says: May 25, 2011 3:59 PM

    Guys, I do not get the hate on this. All they did was suspend payments into the pension plan and when the money comes back at the end of the year they are going to reinstate as much of what they couldn’t pay now as possible. So the employer contribution portion of the 401K and pension plan is going to be stopped until new CBA is worked out. There are numerous reports on this out there.

    Times are tough, maybe what people will now start to realize is that even though the league generates 9 billion a year, it takes almost as much to run it successfully and the margins are small. (GB, with no stadium debt only made 5 million last year.)

    If Ralph was greedy there would be a franchise in LA or Toronto, the man has done everything he can to keep the franchise viable in one of the poorest cities in America. He is regarded as the ‘conscience’ of the league in league circles for keeping the team in B-lo when there is a ton more money to be made elsewhere.

  41. moochzilla says: May 25, 2011 4:10 PM

    It’s sad to think of some poor, little old lady not getting her check from the Bills…especially since she’s a much better pass rusher than Maybin.

    All kidding aside, I think this is a setup and convenient excuse for doing something he’s wanted to do for a long time – end the pensions to current employees. Because that’s America now.

  42. andrewfbrowne says: May 25, 2011 4:12 PM

    One other thing, coaches, per their contract get all money that is denied due to a work stoppage reimbursed once league opens for business. So the only people who are even in question are employees who are non contract in nature and those will be added to as best they can.

    Buffalo is one of the teams that does not use the NFL’s pension plan and has their own in place. The reason is because it is better than the one the NFL uses. Ample documentation out there on this fact.

  43. jpmelon says: May 25, 2011 9:36 PM

    Everyone is still getting their pensions……everyone on here who thinks that elderly retired employees aren’t going to be receiving their check has been misled by he first few posters on this thread. Even the article explains what happened, but people are guessing what this means because they don’t know how a pension works.

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