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Roger Goodell: Lockout has had an impact on our fans already

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When fans booed NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell at the draft, he heard them loud and clear.

Goodell said Wednesday at the conclusion of the NFL spring meeting that he realizes fans are unhappy about the lockout and already losing interest in America’s most popular sport.

“I think it’s clearly had an impact on our fans already. You see that in the various metrics we have, whether it’s ratings or traffic on NFL.com — we see that,” Goodell said. “I think you all are aware that our ratings were down in the draft, for example.”

Even if there weren’t a lockout, Goodell said, the struggling American economy would make it tough for fans to justify spending money on football tickets. But he said he thinks the lockout is making it easier for fans to choose not to buy tickets.

“I don’t think you can ever underestimate that fans are going through difficult challenges just in the general economy here,” he said. “That’s something they have to consider when they’re putting down money for a season ticket or a club seat or anything else.”

Although Goodell expressed sympathy for fans who are hurting in the economy, he sounded less sympathetic toward team employees who have had their pay cut during the lockout.

“They all understand the circumstances we’re going through,” Goodell said of team employees. “This is a collective sacrifice. We go through a difficult time, we go through it together. We’re all going to feel that impact.”

The Raiders had a particularly unusual way of dealing with the lockout, telling all club employees — including the coaching staff — that while there’s no football going on, they’re responsible for helping to sell tickets. Goodell said he likes that approach.

“I thought it was innovative. I thought it was very creative,” Goodell said. “My hat’s off to the Raiders. I thought it was very creative.”

Goodell acknowledged that if the lockout doesn’t end relatively soon, the league is going to have to start canceling preseason games.

“We don’t have a date, but obviously that time is coming,” Goodell said. “We canceled our rookie symposium, so we’re getting close enough where those will have to be considerations. Obviously we would prefer to get a negotiated agreement so we don’t have to make those decisions.”

Still, as he stood in Indianapolis, the site of next year’s Super Bowl, Goodell said the locals should feel confident that the game will, in fact, be played.

“It’s our intention to be here and play a full season,” Goodell said. “We look forward to concluding the 2011 season here in Indianapolis.”

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75 Responses to “Roger Goodell: Lockout has had an impact on our fans already”
  1. rmiller517 says: May 25, 2011 12:03 PM

    Bring back paul

  2. majbobby says: May 25, 2011 12:04 PM

    So players let me ask you…..

    When are you coming to the Table?

    Owners – 2 proposals
    Players – 0 Counters Offers.

    Now your rank and file starting to speak out and the Agents as well…

    D Smith your drive to “win” is going to kill this game.

  3. willycents says: May 25, 2011 12:05 PM

    for any business:

    no/significantly reduced projected income = reduction in expenses/employee layoffs/employee furloughs

    Fact of life for the millions who have been laid off in the last couple years.

  4. clintonportisheadd says: May 25, 2011 12:06 PM

    “It’s our intention to be here and play a full season,” Goodell said. “We look forward to concluding the 2011 season here in Indianapolis.”

    ————————————-

    Really? Then call off the lock out and play it. Otherwise just shut up and stop the spin.

  5. willycents says: May 25, 2011 12:06 PM

    and btw, better get a comment from DeSmith on this to get the true story out

  6. cup0pizza says: May 25, 2011 12:09 PM

    Hard to care about a league where billionaires are bickering with multiple-millionaires. Screw ‘em all….times are pretty tough for normal people.

  7. kevpft says: May 25, 2011 12:09 PM

    The effect it’s having on fans is to improve our eyesight – we’re seeing far more sharply and crisply just what a bunch of avaricious, selfish, entitled, careless, and downright immature lot the owners and players of the NFL are.

    Really, it makes me respect the entire game and everyone in it a lot less. These overprivileged schmucks are riding some of the largest waves of cash and good fortune in the world, and they have to play these stupid games, the result of which will surely be higher costs incurred by all the regular folks who want to have anything to do with the game in person or on TV?

    Yeah, it’s having an effect on us, alright. I’ve found the last couple seasons of this game and all the absurdity going on in the league to be dismaying enough, and now this. It’s pathetic.

  8. meyerla says: May 25, 2011 12:09 PM

    Further complicating matters could be the fact that teams get full ticket price for preseason games but players aren’t paid their pro-rated salary for them. So if a preseason game is missed, will the owners absorb all that hit by themselves? That seems unlikely given current circumstances. Basically if it doesn’t get solved by the end of July there is a good chance the season is lost.

  9. Ty @ The Lions in Winter says: May 25, 2011 12:10 PM

    Gotta wonder what kind of internal pressure the owners are putting on each other. They all expected the players to knuckle under at the first hint of missed game checks, but suddenly they’re the ones tightening the belts and scraping up loose change.

    More proof the owners thought we fans would just keep getting in line to give us all their money, football or no football.

    Peace
    Ty

  10. Mike Tomlin says: May 25, 2011 12:10 PM

    Screw you Goodell. And screw you too De Smith.

  11. moochzilla says: May 25, 2011 12:10 PM

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  12. meekdog78 says: May 25, 2011 12:13 PM

    bring goodell and de smith to my house. ban all lawyer speak and lets talk like logical human beings. deal done within a week.

  13. touchdownroddywhite says: May 25, 2011 12:17 PM

    Honestly, if more players start speaking up that they want to negotiate and their respective reps don’t go to the table, I’ll be a little more willing to forgive on the players side.

    I think it’s clear at this point that the only ones who don’t want to negotiate are the ones who will reap the massive rewards of winning litigation, and they will be the subject of my rage.

    The players speaking out against their leadership, who is not representing their true wishes, needs to continue and is the only way this will get done.

  14. tombrookshire says: May 25, 2011 12:18 PM

    It’s called cutting off your nose to spite your face. There is no reason to lay off employees. There is no one sacrificing anything from the owners standpoint. Goodell is a mouthpiece for rich billionaires who pay his $10 M. salary to spew that nonsense of “shared sacrifice.” Fan interest is dwindling because the NFL acts like a any multinational corporation that thinks that is is entitled to squeeze their employees in tough economic times to give up more of their money while they continue their march toward the consolidation of wealth for themselves. Pure greed. This is part of a planned business strategy. It is no accident. It is emblematic of the result of class warfare being perpetrated against the middle class working person. You apologists or defenders of the owners should realize it is happening to you too. Your families, your jobs, your future financial security, in what you pay for gas and food and the roof over your head. It is banks and corporations that are causing the hardship in your life that you are using football to escape.

  15. majbobby says: May 25, 2011 12:18 PM

    Ty,

    No the Players are just taking out 26% loans.

  16. patsfan says: May 25, 2011 12:22 PM

    “It’s good to be the king. I love my peasants… Pull!”

  17. dequan81 says: May 25, 2011 12:22 PM

    lintonportisheadd says:
    May 25, 2011 12:06 PM

    Really? Then call off the lock out and play it. Otherwise just shut up and stop the spin.

    ———————————————-

    Why don’t YOU just shut up dude? You go around the site making this comments but not making any argument to support your comments. We get it, you’re pro player. You want to talk about spin? NFLPA* does spin better than anyone.

    As for the lockout, it sucks, but how can the NFL negotiate with itself. They (NFLPA*) need to counter and speak up. When I say speak up I mean to the NFL, not DeMoron speaking to the media with lies and lame speeches about wars, and fights, etc..

  18. tripg says: May 25, 2011 12:25 PM

    @tombrookshire

    You nailed it my friend!

  19. radrhatr says: May 25, 2011 12:26 PM

    I hate the Raiders, but am really starting to miss Gene Upshaw!

  20. TxGrown says: May 25, 2011 12:26 PM

    “I think it’s clearly had an impact on our fans…”
    =======================================================
    Well Roger here are some other truths;
    Gas is flammable
    Ice is cold
    Night is dark
    Justin Bieber sucks…but his fans will still get to see him.

  21. cuzidid42 says: May 25, 2011 12:29 PM

    The idea of negotiations is for one side to start it off with a prepossal, then the other party gives a counter-propossal and it goes on from there until both parties come to an agreement. The NFL has given two propossals allready and the players reps have given no counters. Can you emagine how much closer we would be to having a full season of football if a counter-propossal had been given. The player reps are the ones keeping this in the courts. Anyone who believes that the NFLPA* is negotiating in good faith needs to wake up and smell the coffee burning.

  22. fltharley says: May 25, 2011 12:32 PM

    roger goodell has hurt this league way more than anything the lockout has done i hate the lockout and the owners are wrong in the insane expectations of making more. but im more concerned with goodell making the nfl a two hand touch league so he can ram thru a 18 game schedule if players dont hit each other they can hold up to a 18 game schedule and then the owners can charge tv more. only one problem with that i for one will not watch two hand touch football will not spend one damn dime on what goodell wants , i truly hope all the football people out there boycott this p.o.s. i wont go to another game until goodell is fired and all his insane rule changes are dropped

  23. dirtydrew says: May 25, 2011 12:35 PM

    The owners are all guaranteed a profit before the first 10$ beer, 30 $ parking, 80$ for 1 ticket. While I am not sympathetic to the players financially, I do have concerns long term for player health. Whatever the deal, it should include lifetime guarnteeded health care. A rookie cap is a must, and an end to this must come now. I love football, but the NFL is a turnoff the way teams are treated differently. Money was available for the Jets Giants stadium, Dallas, Indy, Philly, but sorry West Coast teams… No help for the 49ers, Chargers or the Raiders. 8 super bowls between the 49ers and the raiders, but the league won’t help get NFL level stadiums. People are not only turned off by the greed and the cost, but the venues on the West coast are dumps which has led to lower attendance. Believe it or not, we like nice stadiums too. I had Niner tickets for 30 seasons, same 2 seats, and I gave them up to enjoy football in HD plans the Sunday ticket from my couch with free beer and free parking. Good luck Roger!

  24. favrefan says: May 25, 2011 12:35 PM

    F?ck Goodell and NFL. I prefer WWE. Vince McMahon rules

  25. TxGrown says: May 25, 2011 12:35 PM

    tombrookshire says:
    “It is banks and corporations that are causing the hardship in your life that you are using football to escape.”
    ======================================================
    Oh really? We are using football to escape…hmmm.
    That part of your post I disagree with…I am a fan of the sport.
    Perfect moniker “tombrookshire ” it is as relevant as the real Tom Brookshire.

  26. voicefreason says: May 25, 2011 12:36 PM

    Me and every person I know with common sense sides with the owners/NFL on this one. Just because your boss is wealthy doesn’t mean you are ENTITLED to more of his money as an employee. Dee-Smith has been a little drama queen every time he is in front of a microphone like he is speaking about the OJ trial. His inflammatory language and finger pointing is so worn out and boring. With most union people sitting on the bench out of work this demanding and spoiled behavior is sickening to the blue collar fans. I don’t think NFL players are overpaid for their short careers and low number of contracts but I also don’t think they are so underpaid that they should hold the game hostage. Get back the negotiating table.

  27. vadog says: May 25, 2011 12:36 PM

    kevpft says:
    May 25, 2011 12:09 PM
    “The effect it’s having on fans is to improve our eyesight – we’re seeing far more sharply and crisply just what a bunch of avaricious, selfish, entitled, careless, and downright immature lot the owners and players of the NFL are.”
    ___________________________________
    I think you’ve nailed it! It’s not the players…it’s not the owners! It’s the players AND the ownders…and the agents….and the Commissioner…and the lawyers!

    I take exception to Goodell saying “OUR fans.” There is no one who is a fan of the commissioner. No one cheers for Bob Kraft or Zygi Wilf! No one gets all excited to see NFL executives do executive work! I’m sorry to break it to you Roger, but you’re just not that important to the fans…who ARE fans of players, coaches, teams AND most especially…the game!

    What the lock out has shown me, after I stop being frustrated and angry, is that, hey, I’ve got more money in my pocket!! Since I am not buying any tickets, or NFL merchandise, I can almost afford a vacation (gas prices need to fall a little more)!

    Roger, the more money I am keeping in my pocket and the pockets of millions of other fans, means that the NFL is in a hell of lot more trouble than labor issues. You’ve got football fan issues!

  28. jlana24 says: May 25, 2011 12:37 PM

    Roger Goodell: Lockout has had an impact on our fans already

    no sh*t sherlock

  29. depotnator says: May 25, 2011 12:37 PM

    I hope we get to see Goodell and Jeff Pash’s tax returns next year to verify their $1 salary during this mess. And didn’t Smith say his salary will drop to $.69?

  30. lbpackfan says: May 25, 2011 12:40 PM

    Really, Roger? Ya think? Idiot…

  31. jsratx says: May 25, 2011 12:42 PM

    You think we’re pissed now, Roger? Just wait till you start f-ing with our fantasy football.

  32. bravin4evr says: May 25, 2011 12:44 PM

    the owners should have thought about this when they started planning their strategy a couple of years ago

  33. mndudeness says: May 25, 2011 12:45 PM

    Why should team employees be punished for anything during the lockout? They have no say at the bargaining table, they have nothing to do with the current labor distress, yet they are the ones making less money than the players and owners and have their families to help sustain.

    Its an unfair situation.

  34. purplescar says: May 25, 2011 12:47 PM

    “Roger Goodell: Lockout has had an impact on our fans already”

    No s*** Sherlock.

  35. majbobby says: May 25, 2011 12:51 PM

    @ Depotnator

    Yes he Did when he was the Union Leader…..

    No More Union…. No more need for the $0.69 Salary…..

    He is banking as a Lawyer But hey more spin from the NFLPA*

  36. vikesfan4life says: May 25, 2011 12:55 PM

    In other news… the Lindbergh baby is missing.

  37. zoxitic says: May 25, 2011 12:58 PM

    The owners need to realize they need to get rid of this buffoon. The majority of fans think he is bad for the game, the majority of players think he is bad for the game. Oust this incompetent putz.

  38. bsreimer says: May 25, 2011 1:10 PM

    Go Pack Go

  39. berniemadoffsides says: May 25, 2011 1:17 PM

    This should’ve been a realization 6 months ago.

  40. jackfnburton says: May 25, 2011 1:26 PM

    He doesn’t even talk like a guy who gets it. Screw your Metrics, Roger. Open your office window and stick your head out. You can probably HEAR how upset people are.

    Fans are ticked off because we keep HEARING both sides say “We need to talk. We need to negotiate. We don’t need to handle this in the courts.”

    Yet, nobody’s talking, nobody’s negotiating and legal red tape just keeps getting thicker and thicker. If you WANTED to talk, you’d talk. You guys would get a hotel room, roll up your sleeves and just bang it out. But no, both sides want leverage, both sides want to tattle to the press, and it just makes everyone involved look like a bunch of lying, posturing children.

    I don’t believe anything any of these people say. Believe me, I can live without football. But I don’t want to, and I shouldn’t HAVE to because a bunch of grown men can’t come to an agreement about how to split up nine BILLION freaking dollars.

  41. moochzilla says: May 25, 2011 1:39 PM

    Goodell is a character written by a PR company to trick gullible fans into thinking that the NFL cares about them.

    Wake up, people. He’s been groomed for this role for quite some time. All PR. 100% sizzle, 0% steak.

  42. bobwsc says: May 25, 2011 1:41 PM

    this is such high school crap

  43. jlb10 says: May 25, 2011 1:42 PM

    geeeee you think? what was your first clue?

  44. willycents says: May 25, 2011 1:46 PM

    jackfnburton says:May 25, 2011 1:26 PM

    Fans are ticked off because we keep HEARING both sides say “We need to talk. We need to negotiate. We don’t need to handle this in the courts.”

    ———————————————-

    I must have missed where the NFLPA has said this, or even hinted at it.

    Please enunciate when and where DeSmith has said anything relatively close to this. On the other hand, how many times has the league offered to meet anytime/any place to negotiate?

    How much does DeSmith and companypay you to post their drivel on here? :) (payback is a bitch on accusing others of being paid shills isn’t it?)

  45. bronco1st says: May 25, 2011 1:48 PM

    Glad to see Goodell and everyone involved are aware of the declining interest in the NFL due to the lockout. I feel much better for boycotting the draft although I do admit, it wasn’t much of a sacrifice to get the draft news a few minutes later than from watching it live. Still, there were enough people (millions) who felt the same way and who made their voices heard. I would suggest that anyone who has spent more than 30 seconds writing, complaining or even just thinking about the current lockout, should spend an additional minute or two to let those involved know about it;

    National Football League (NFL)
    280 Park Ave. 15th Floor, New York, NY 10017.
    phone (212)450-2000 fax (212)681-7599.
    Email; http://www.nfl.com/contact-us

    Denver Broncos Football Club
    Executive Offices and Training Facility
    13655 Broncos Parkway
    Englewood, CO 80112
    (303) 649-9000
    Email; suggestions@broncos.nfl.net

    The NFLPA page no longer works (gives 404 ERROR) nor do any pages that have contact info for them. I imagine this will remain the same until (if/when) the union recertifies. But here is the address to voice your opinion;

    http://www.nfllockout.com/

    Remember, “It’s the squeaky wheel that gets the grease”!

  46. winkeroni says: May 25, 2011 1:50 PM

    “I think it’s clearly had an impact on our fans…”
    =======================================================
    Well Roger here are some other truths;
    Gas is flammable
    Ice is cold
    Night is dark
    Justin Bieber sucks…but his fans will still get to see him.
    ————————————————
    Don’t hate the Bieber. You shouldn’t be jealous of him because he got to sing with Luda or because your teenager daughters like him more than you. Other than being Canadian he’s pretty much talented and he’s going to make sure that there is one less lonely girl, could be your daughter “wink” “wink”. I agree with the other truths though.

    Goodell is right, I’m not happy about the lockout. I just wish they would make a deal already. I’m also not happy that some teams are cutting salaries and/or forcing furloughs upon the employees that don’t make extremely comfortable salaries.

  47. larryed says: May 25, 2011 1:50 PM

    The budgeted $$$ I was saving for Lions games has slowly gone to getting tickets to see more Tiger games. My wife & I might see 6 – 8 games a month. Screw spending it on football.

  48. whitemike55 says: May 25, 2011 1:53 PM

    Get this resolved so we can finalyze our plans to travel to an out of town game!

    Week 2 is not looking hopeful (To be played on time)

  49. bronco1st says: May 25, 2011 1:56 PM

    I listed the Broncos contact info but you can find your team’s contact information by just using this search line;

    (Your team’s name here, i.e. Dallas Cowboys) contact us.

    EXAMPLE: Denver Broncos contact us

  50. p4hbiz says: May 25, 2011 2:00 PM

    @radrhatr.. The Raiders make the WORLD go around.. I bet your team never been a SB winner you douche bag

  51. tmaleman says: May 25, 2011 2:00 PM

    no fantasy football is seriously going to piss me off, but it may open up a new game – fantasy arbitration.

    we could draft owners, player reps, and 8th circuit judges! Doesn’t that sound like fun?

  52. laeaglefan says: May 25, 2011 2:04 PM

    Goodell has the power to end the lockout immediately and get the 2011 back on track, before it wavers too far off course. Despite his words, the fact that he’s not making that happen speaks volumes. Its clear that nothing positive is going to happen until the legal stuff runs its course, however long that may take. Or until the players revolt against De Smith and hang him upside down by his thumbs.

  53. sh4doww4lker says: May 25, 2011 2:06 PM

    It’s the American way……. the NFL does what most large businesses do……
    Reduce the wages and real benefits of the employees, increase the revenue stream for the owners, raise the compensation packages for the Team Presidents and management staff……. accept millions in stadium funding from fans and non tax paying fans alike……..

  54. illwillthemick says: May 25, 2011 2:14 PM

    if goodell would check his twitter page he would kno exactly how i feel..

    and to the guy who said well we got two owners who want to go to the table and no player is dumb cause there are plenty of players that do but the players dont have that power the NFLPA* only does.. wake up

  55. tjrubleysaudible says: May 25, 2011 2:21 PM

    UFL starts 2nd week in August. They don’t even have TV contracts for this season yet, so it should take many years before they get to this level of greed and pig-headedness. Oh and they couldn’t afford to add a 6th team this year, either, so that makes me like this league even more.

    UFL – I’m in. I think you can watch online, at least, even if they don’t get anyone to broadcast their games. Oh, and they had to PAY to get broadcast last year, the networks that showed their games did not pay them.

    I’ll root for Omaha, I lived there for a few years. They love football in Nebraska.

  56. radrhatr says: May 25, 2011 2:22 PM

    @p4hbiz

    “The Raiders make the WORLD go around..”

    ————————————————-

    So does carbon monoxide and other human waste. As soon as that bag of bones Al Davis dies, he can help make the world go around too!

  57. boblavoie says: May 25, 2011 2:23 PM

    Booooooo

  58. tombrookshire says: May 25, 2011 3:15 PM

    Owners and mouthpiece Goodell are piting fans against players by threatening to take fans’ beloved game away if pressure isn’t exerted on their union. Textbook corporate strategy to break unions. Problem is, most of us have no protections in the work place against management abuse. Management does whateer it wants to do with impunity. There are 15 million jobless Americans, whose jobs went bye bye to India, China and Vietnam who can attest to it. Don’t side with the corporatocracy. Even though the players make millions they are not the enemy. Never were. They didn’t strike, they were locked out. How much are you knees worth to you? A mil? Two mil? More? How would you, at age 40 like to have to take percocet just to get out of bed? Sure, players “chose” to play football. Firefighters and cops choose to put their lives on the line for what they are paid, too. But there are risks to almost any profession, and debilitating injury is a serious one. By the way most players average time in the NFL is 2.5 years and most don’t make even one million dollars in their short careers. Yet many suffer with arthritis, bad knees, bad back, spinal and brain injuries for the rest of their lives. To me, the owners are even more greedy and sleazy for attempting to squeeze a few more stinking dollars out of the players.

  59. kelly8791 says: May 25, 2011 3:17 PM

    Enough about the fans. It’s all about the fans, blah, blah, blah. We’re all fans, and the game would be nothing without us–we get it already. You, Goodell, and you, D. Smith, want everyone to know you’re on our side and we matter most. Thanks.

    Besides, I guess you two don’t care about the thousands of people working in the NFL who aren’t players–the assistant coaches, the trainers, the video guys, the equipment managers, the scouts, and all the other NFL employees who are really at risk because of this mess. I wouldn’t expect you to, D.; they’re not your clients. Roger, it’s nice that you appreciate them chipping in, but why don’t you talk about these peoples’ real burden and their real sacrifice–being employed by the owners primarily to make the players’ lives easier and then being the first to go if the owners cut back any more?

    I do appreciate your position, Roger–to a degree. Your argument at least has a shred of legitimacy. The last Labor deal sent roughly 60% of $8 Billion the players’ way. That left an average of around $150 Million per year for each owner–that’s after paying the players.

    I understand that the owners then have to pay for everything else, including the hundreds of people working for each them who, again, are paid to serve at the pleasure of the players. I don’t need to know the exact numbers to see that that $150 Million per team can disappear pretty quickly.

    D., it’s not that the owners are destined to go broke. Some may even make a few million bucks in a given year. The point is, no good business man would shell out upwards of $1 Billion to invest in a company that would net them $30 to $40 Million per year. That’s a 3 to 4 percent return. They’d be better off buying T-Bills or putting the money in a savings account, so the owners do have a point. It is a crappy business model.

    But both of you, Roger & D., should stop talking about what’s right and what’s fair for both sides. It’s almost irrelevant. The players should, in fact, get a big piece of the pie. My question for D. is, what should be in that slice? Is salary the only thing that should factor into the equation? Doesn’t the money paid to doctors, trainers, equipment managers, video directors, coaches, and scouts benefit the players too? And shouldn’t that then a part of the players’ slice? If not, tell me why?

    What would Drew Brees, Mike Vrabel, & Jeff Saturday say if the guy who tapes their ankles or does their laundry or prepares game plans gets laid off because their owner can’t pay them anymore? Would they be willing to pay for those luxuries?

    I want to hear the players’ answers to those questions. What if you had to tape your own ankles, do your own laundry, pack your own equipment for away games, or devise your own game plans? How much is it worth to you that you don’t? Please tell me that. Until you do, please be quiet. Thank you.

  60. mrlynch33 says: May 25, 2011 3:18 PM

    Dear Commish:
    Thank you, Captain Obvious!

  61. Deb says: May 25, 2011 3:27 PM

    @Goodell …

    Please stop stating the obvious when you clearly don’t care. And if you don’t, why should we? I’m sorry for the employees, but hope every team in the league loses money this year.

    @bronco1st …

    Thank you for the most useful posts I’ve ever seen on this site.

  62. rcali says: May 25, 2011 4:07 PM

    Fans have lost interest? What is so interesting about hearing about mini-camp holdouts this time of year? This is much more entertaining! Of course I’m not one of the suckers who has already paid for my pre and regular season tickets.

  63. jlb10 says: May 25, 2011 4:18 PM

    laeaglefan says: May 25, 2011 2:04 PM

    Goodell has the power to end the lockout immediately and get the 2011 back on track, before it wavers too far off course. Despite his words, the fact that he’s not making that happen speaks volumes. Its clear that nothing positive is going to happen until the legal stuff runs its course, however long that may take. Or until the players revolt against De Smith and hang him upside down by his thumbs.
    _________________________
    I don’t believe this to be true. He works for the NFL and essentially the owners. IF he were to lift the lockout I would imagine the owners would fire him and hire a replacement. At least this is my understanding I could be wrong

  64. ia517 says: May 25, 2011 4:19 PM

    They idiots sure made my decision of whether or not to throw down $3600 on season tickets pretty easy. Thanks Goodell and DeSmith, youve ruined the NFL, and while my money means nothing to you guys, im sure im not the only person whose so fed up with this crap they they will no longer be spending money on this league. Enjoy playing in half filled stadiums for a while, just like the NBA. Why not ask them how long it took to recover from a lockout

  65. worstposterever says: May 25, 2011 4:33 PM

    It’s affected me already for sure… I don’t give a crap about the NFL anymore. Baseball is back to being my #1 favorite sport, and I couldn’t give a crap about whether there is NFL football right now.

  66. stanklepoot says: May 25, 2011 5:01 PM

    touchdownroddywhite says: May 25, 2011 12:17 PM

    Honestly, if more players start speaking up that they want to negotiate and their respective reps don’t go to the table, I’ll be a little more willing to forgive on the players side.

    I think it’s clear at this point that the only ones who don’t want to negotiate are the ones who will reap the massive rewards of winning litigation, and they will be the subject of my rage.

    The players speaking out against their leadership, who is not representing their true wishes, needs to continue and is the only way this will get done.
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    Problem is, there is no union that can force action for these players to appeal to. The owners can file suit claiming the players have no right to dissolve the union (never heard of a business trying to force workers to unionize before, but ok), and the owner-loving commenters can call decertification a sham all they want, but it doesn’t change reality. The anti-trust lawsuit is not a union action. It is a small group of players (almost all with pretty deep pockets of their own) and their lawyers filing suit against the league. If every other player came together and asked them to drop the suit, they couldn’t force them to do so. The only way the players could end the issue would be with a new cba that would make an anti-trust case moot, but the lack of a union makes that more difficult. So, what we’re left with is a small group of players with enough resources to hold out long enough to actually bring an anti-trust suit to court and get a decision, and a group of owners who seem intent on locking out all of the players until they get a new cba every bit (if not more so) tilted in their favor than they claim the old one was in the players’ favor. the owners won’t end the lockout until there is no anti-trust case hanging over their head, and the players who filed suit won’t drop the suit without what they consider an acceptable cba offer. Basically, both sides are going down the nuclear option path and waiting for the other side to cave. If the owners win the appeal of the injunction (which now seems likely), and they don’t use it as opportunity to come up with a deal both sides can accept, this could get truly ugly. Put it this way, if the owners continue the lockout and games are lost, what is the incentive for the players not to see the lawsuit through? the players can’t simply cross a picket line and get paid again. So, if the players aren’t getting paid either way, why not let the case run its course? If that happens, who knows what the results will be. Pretty much everything the league does is technically an anti-trust violation.

  67. babio55 says: May 25, 2011 5:13 PM

    yeah but hasnt impacted the ticket prices for the real fan to go to……….and once this lockout is over the players who were tools to their fans (but are crying now saying its hurting the fans) will still be tools to the fans when its all said and done.

    the stadiums are not fan friendly anymore – radio shows and appearances half the time are not fan friendly anymore

    so really it has impacted the fans long before the lock out

  68. saints25 says: May 25, 2011 5:16 PM

    “FANS” The next court date is June 3rd….Thats on a Friday..you’ll get nothing that day either…

  69. stanklepoot says: May 25, 2011 5:21 PM

    cuzidid42 says: May 25, 2011 12:29 PM

    The idea of negotiations is for one side to start it off with a prepossal, then the other party gives a counter-propossal and it goes on from there until both parties come to an agreement. The NFL has given two propossals allready and the players reps have given no counters. Can you emagine how much closer we would be to having a full season of football if a counter-propossal had been given. The player reps are the ones keeping this in the courts. Anyone who believes that the NFLPA* is negotiating in good faith needs to wake up and smell the coffee burning.
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    First of all, the league has not made a real proposal in quite some time. The last “proposal” was a vague set of bullet points. As for the players, it’s been pretty clear for a while now that their major issue is what’s being referred to as “true-ups”. For those of you not familiar with this, the league has made some highly conservative estimates of future revenue streams (someone not overly trusting of the owners might call it low-balling), and want to base future player salary off of those estimates. The players want the future player share of revenue tied to the actual revenue stream like it is now. This is vitally important because the revenue stream is expected to grow by quite a bit when the next round of airing rights deals come around. With a cba with revenue sharing based on “true-ups”, then the players continue to benefit as the sport becomes more profitable. Without it, even if the owners agree to take less of a rollback than the $1 billion they originally asked for, they can end up taking much more than what they asked for back from the players.

    As for the court issue, of course the owners are complaining about the players going the court route. Anti-trust litigation is the one area that favors the players, as most of what the league does is technically in violation of anti-trust legislation. Out of court, the owners hold all the cards. In court, the final say belongs to a judge. all you have to do is look at the cases where the owners are willing to give up real value to remind everyone that they’re in charge (e.g. the Carson Palmer situation) to know how comfortable they feel not exercising absolute control over what happens.

  70. moochzilla says: May 25, 2011 5:22 PM

    It does provide some perspective. The only thing I know for sure I’ll miss is fantasy. How sad is that?

    The game itself? Not really.

    The camaraderie with fellow fans, not so much since it never matched what I get from the Phillies anyway.

    I dunno. 20 years ago I’d have laughed if you told me I’d go 4 years without watching a full NBA game. But it happened.

  71. stanklepoot says: May 25, 2011 5:33 PM

    depotnator says: May 25, 2011 12:37 PM

    I hope we get to see Goodell and Jeff Pash’s tax returns next year to verify their $1 salary during this mess. And didn’t Smith say his salary will drop to $.69?
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    Never trust a CEO who talks about his salary. Why? Because it’s typically the least important part of their income. CEO’s make most of their money from stock options and bonuses. Now, in Goodell’s case, stock options aren’t in play, but after this is all over (whenever that may be) they can (and will) give him a nice big bonus that will at the very least make up for his diminished salary.

  72. mooseknuckle says: May 25, 2011 5:38 PM

    Just cancelled my NFL Ticket before DirectTV tags me for 1/5 of the cost in July.

    Reminder to all readers planning to cancel, do it now before you are billed for 1/5 of the package cost in JULY!

    Give Goddell some more metrics to chew on. A big % drop in DirectTV revenue from the NFLTicket will send a message from the fans.

  73. stanklepoot says: May 25, 2011 5:38 PM

    willycents says: May 25, 2011 1:46 PM

    jackfnburton says:May 25, 2011 1:26 PM

    Fans are ticked off because we keep HEARING both sides say “We need to talk. We need to negotiate. We don’t need to handle this in the courts.”

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    I must have missed where the NFLPA has said this, or even hinted at it.

    Please enunciate when and where DeSmith has said anything relatively close to this. On the other hand, how many times has the league offered to meet anytime/any place to negotiate?

    How much does DeSmith and companypay you to post their drivel on here? :) (payback is a bitch on accusing others of being paid shills isn’t it?)
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    Your comeback ranks right up there with: oooooh, burn. Grow up, your “payback” is both pathetic and impotent.

  74. goldsteel says: May 25, 2011 9:41 PM

    A brilliant observation commissioner. Actually, I’m waiting for the preseason games to begin being cancelled. And the subsequent class action suit by the fans for breach of contract by the NFL. Of yes, season ticket holders must pony up the money for the exhibition games. Talk about changing attitudes.

    Fire Goodell.

  75. anthonyfromstatenisland says: May 26, 2011 9:07 AM

    I’d love to see (at least) two exhibition weeks cancelled. Then the owners chime in to make that arrangement permanent – and 18-game schedule here we come!

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