Comments on: It’s wrong for NFL teams to cut non-player pay

By: airraid77

airraid77 — Wed, 01 Jun 2011 15:48:22 +0000

The owners walked away first when the players said 50/50 split.

they then come back and offer two low-ball counter offers and then blame the players in the media for walking out so the players would sound greedy…

and it seems to be working
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show me the link where any proposal has been made by the players? ANY……

By: bturner032002

bturner032002 — Wed, 01 Jun 2011 15:40:19 +0000

The owners walked away first when the players said 50/50 split.

they then come back and offer two low-ball counter offers and then blame the players in the media for walking out so the players would sound greedy…

and it seems to be working

By: supashug

supashug — Fri, 27 May 2011 19:37:03 +0000

I have contacted a friend who works for the Ravens and they never announced a 25% salary cut! Interesting its nowhere on the internet either.

By: moochzilla

moochzilla — Fri, 27 May 2011 14:47:30 +0000

giboxer. Where to begin? The NFL doesn’t operate under the system you seem to think it does. They control wages and competition and player movement…the free market has little to do with any of it. They have an anti-trust exemption that requires a CBA. And that was the choice they made, ask any small market owner and they’ll die for the socialist principles that ensure that the league is competitive.

The fear of most owners (aside from Jones and Snyder) is that the league actually will act on free market principles. If it did, it would become MLB on steroids (poor analogy). You’d have Dallas and DC and NY dominant and most small market teams fold in short order. Think Green Bay wants to share national TV revenue or rely on Green Bay / Milwaukee local deals? C’mon.

Owners retain the right to sell. They don’t because the value of every team has skyrocketed. Once they get a taxpayer funded stadium (yeah, capitalism and free market!) it goes up even more.

And, please, tell me about Jeff Lurie’s “work ethic”. Take as much time as you need.

By: giboxer5

giboxer5 — Fri, 27 May 2011 14:20:09 +0000

Remember when business owners had rights in this country?? When you were able to shut down your own business if you chose to, let the market dictate a fair wage and your companies finances were the business of yourself and the IRS.. The entire attitude of this country has changed. It was founded by people who wanted to be in control of their own future, in a system that rewarded the exceptional. This entire situation, and many of the comments above, show how little we expect/hope for ourselves. A bunch of lazy idiots with your hands out for a piece of what hard work has earned others. The players have plenty of money to take their collective ball and go start their own league. Then they can be the owners you all hate for having a stronger work ethic than you could ever even dream of..

By: vetdana

vetdana — Fri, 27 May 2011 14:00:00 +0000

Assuming they avoid missing any preseason or regular season games,

Everything that has gone on in the last 3 months would point to a shortened or suspended regular season…To assume that both parties are going to suddenly “see the light ” and have a normal unaffected regular season, is an exercise in extreme optimisim!! [or a sweet dream] Dont hold your breath, as these people have let GREED control their every action !!

By: moochzilla

moochzilla — Fri, 27 May 2011 13:45:40 +0000

Oh, and remember to protest against Medicare. Until you turn 60, then you can spend the rest of your life protesting in favor of it.

A nation of children.

By: moochzilla

moochzilla — Fri, 27 May 2011 13:44:00 +0000

I love all the non-business-owning supporters of the owners who believe that workers need to do what’s best for the “boss” or “owner”.

And yet they sit here posting during work hours. How does that square with their philosophy? Aren’t they stealing from their employers and wasting time?

So, unless you own your own business, follow your own advice…

1) Shut up
2) Get back to work
3) Stop wasting the time that should be dedicated to making your boss rich

How about living by the ruled you’d place on others.

Oh, remember to punch the clock on your way out ad wear an appropriate amount of flair.

By: bobbyhoying

bobbyhoying — Fri, 27 May 2011 13:19:25 +0000

Mike: This is still the United States of America, despite the best efforts of socialists to change that. The players, coaches and staff can go start their own league. They can negotiate a TV contract with someone who currently does not broadcast games. The can tell the owners to take a hike. Yet they do not. Are they just gutless kitty cats, or are the owners really losing money with this enterprise?

By: supashug

supashug — Fri, 27 May 2011 12:46:21 +0000

this show has no influence on an NFL team you pompous ass clown

By: chapnastier

chapnastier — Fri, 27 May 2011 11:40:59 +0000

Typical liberal… you want everyone to get their money without there being a source of income. Kind of like unemployment benefits.

By: vahawker

vahawker — Fri, 27 May 2011 05:03:59 +0000

nineroutsider says: May 26, 2011 8:00 PM

@vahawker

Explanation = Lockout

That was simple.
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Both sides are at fault here, but its the league that shut itself down, not the players
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Seriously?! The same owners who have made 2 offers and received no counters. The players decertified and ran into the courts, refused an extension of negotiations(oh well, they did make an ridiculous demand to continue), owners have been trying to get a new CBA, players have not. The decert essentially forced the owners hand, how can they collectively make rules for the league without opening themselves to anti-trust charges?

Maybe you should have let Jeter answer, he might have a right answer. You didn’t.

I don’t give a rats patoottee what the terms of a new CBA are, but there can be no new CBA because the players walked out, decerted, ran into the courts without making a counter offer. Brees admitted he didn’t read second offer, agents say the players haven’t seen the offer. Who isn’t trying to get a deal done again?

By: phonecops

phonecops — Fri, 27 May 2011 04:40:29 +0000

So if my company is making record profits, but the CEO thinks it’s not enough, it’s O.K. to cut my salary?
Just because he can do it, doesn’t mean he should.
Legality doesn’t matter in this case, wrong is wrong.
Remember, this lockout is because owners think they are not making enough, not that they are losing money.

By: clownburger

clownburger — Fri, 27 May 2011 03:43:37 +0000

What a shame that the players just won’t….you know….negotiate.

What a concept that would be huh?

By: djaehne

djaehne — Fri, 27 May 2011 03:39:56 +0000

I wish this would all cause the NFL to shut down and blow off the upcoming season. I’d suffer the
loss of watching games for a season to know that
both labor sides suffer the maximum dollar loss
possible.

By: 49erman

49erman — Fri, 27 May 2011 03:35:37 +0000

I could care less who is more at fault. The bottom line is they are both at fault, period. I still do not believe there will be a season this year as I do not honestly believe either side wants a deal.

I love football, but if neither side is serious about getting a deal done, then let them sit out the whole season. It’ll free up my Sundays, that’s for sure!

By: zaggs

zaggs — Fri, 27 May 2011 03:15:29 +0000

“derekjetersmansion says: May 26, 2011 6:35 PM

The owners walked out too, you dolts.”

Ah, no you dolt! The owners have made not 1, but 2 offers to the players that the players have not even bothered to respond to. Probably because its making Drew Brees’s head hurt to read all those words and he wants Desmith to draw him pictures instead.

By: micker716

micker716 — Fri, 27 May 2011 02:59:30 +0000

Communist

By: goldsteel

goldsteel — Fri, 27 May 2011 02:49:11 +0000

Mike, you and I are in complete agreement. Why should these people have to suffer? These people need a paycheck like the rest of us. The players union didn’t hire the team’s staff. From a Public Relations stand point, it shows where the owners hearts are. Some of the owners that is.

By: billinlouisiana

billinlouisiana — Fri, 27 May 2011 02:43:58 +0000

Why do the players want to see the books? So they can dictate where else cuts could be made. Namely in from office staff and coaches salaries.
The players are just trying to make sure there cash is is not reduced in order to support the increase to owners cost im Coasches, front office and scouting staff positions!

By: 32bigg

32bigg — Fri, 27 May 2011 02:35:05 +0000

The Bengals are not reducing non-player’s salaries. They regarded the lockout eventuality as a reasonably foreseeable outcome and planned accordingly. Mike Brown is often described as an idiot, but a principled one. This is a rare example of both an intelligent and principled moment (also can’t forget he was only 1 of 2 to vote against last CBA) and perhaps ought to be afforded as much credit for this move as he is assigned blame for his poor moves.

By: 1bigtex

1bigtex — Fri, 27 May 2011 02:29:25 +0000

First of all, we’re not talking about a true union as most of us understand the word. There’s too much disparity in members’ earnings to be a true union. This is more of a trade cooperative of independent contractors. The NBA owners are going to have to do something to reign in player costs because they are losing their collective shirts.

As to the demands of the NFL players to be able to see the books, I say, if you want to see the books, buy a team. That’s the way business works in this country. You don’t see the books until there is a realistic offer to buy.

By: rcali

rcali — Fri, 27 May 2011 02:23:58 +0000

A lot of jaded employees are going to start giving us the inside scoop on what really goes on in these team’s offices. This site will be popping.

By: raider17

raider17 — Fri, 27 May 2011 02:19:20 +0000

How could he not mention what the Raiders are doing in this article. The Raiders have not cut one salary rather asked the employees to sell tickets instead. It seems to me that if you’re going to write an article about how wrong it is for NFL teams to cut the pay of the non players; you mention a team that has not cut salaries. Al Davis is still light years ahead of these other owners, and this move by the Raiders illustrates it.

Long Live Al Davis!!!

By: ernestbynershands

ernestbynershands — Fri, 27 May 2011 01:56:39 +0000

Unfortunately, the owners have the least to lose in this. None of them will take a cut in pay. Instead, they will take a loss on business operations. A loss can be carried forward or backward against earnings, thus reducing tax liability and keeping money in the pockets of the already wealthy.
Aside from the owners, the only people not getting hung out to dry are the accountants and lawyers.
It’s disgusting that the owners are able to screw everyone involved.
Maybe fans ought to start investigating the business dealings and practices of ownership. That would expose them all as they are: greedy self-serving bastards.

N.F.L. = No Fans Left.

By: commandercornpone

commandercornpone — Fri, 27 May 2011 01:53:57 +0000

like i said before, and apparently stephen ross agrees, any pay cut non-playing employees have to take should be fixed like normal if no games are ultimately missed.

By: nygiantstones

nygiantstones — Fri, 27 May 2011 01:50:33 +0000

If they don’t want their pay cut, they should create a Union. Otherwise, the employees are working for private enterprises, whose owners are engaged in the enterprise of generating revenue. Cutting costs via wages is a commonplace activity in Corporate America. I agree with your sentiment but you might as well rail about all business enterprise while you’re at it.

By: norfva

norfva — Fri, 27 May 2011 01:43:23 +0000

And self destruct will comense in T-Minus 105 days.

By: anonymouslyanonymouscommentor

anonymouslyanonymouscommentor — Fri, 27 May 2011 01:32:55 +0000

xtb3 says: May 26, 2011 6:30 PM

How do you think the owners and the sons of owners got rich? By NOT giving it away to the peasents who do their chores!

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The fact that this comment has 37 thumbs up and only 15 thumbs down makes me wonder just what type of people visit this site.

By: tubal22

tubal22 — Fri, 27 May 2011 01:27:13 +0000

I agree with Mike. And I also think that there should be a rainbow in every sky and vanilla ice cream at every meal.

Oh. And no more Rachel Nichols reports too.

Then life would be perfect.