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Kurt Warner: “The players have to give in”

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Former Rams, Giants and Cardinals quarterback Kurt Warner believes the lockout is going to end in time for the 2011 NFL season to begin as scheduled. But those on the players’ side may not be happy to hear how Warner thinks that’s going to happen.

Warner told USA Today that he thinks it’s the players who are going to have to budge and meet the demands of the owners to get a deal done.

“I’m still optimistic that they’re going to find a way to make sure there’s football,” Warner said. “The players have too much to lose. And as much as I hate to say it, at some point, the players have to give in. And, hopefully, they can gain some other things on their side. But ultimately, they have too much to lose.”

Warner’s comments are a bit surprising coming from a player, but they’re consistent with his previous comments that the players got a great deal on the last Collective Bargaining Agreement, and that it’s not realistic to expect to keep that deal forever.

So Warner, who left millions of dollars on the table when he decided to retire, thinks the current players are going to have to give up some money, too.

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  1. dixon29 says: May 27, 2011 12:02 PM

    Finally… a voice of reason. Listen to Kurt.

  2. chapnastier says: May 27, 2011 12:05 PM

    Why isn’t he in charge of the NFLPA*?

  3. strategerie says: May 27, 2011 12:05 PM

    Warner may have left money on the table when he retired, but he also was paid a hell of a lot more during his playing days than (conservatively,) 50% of the rest of the league.

    He needs to shut it, IMHO.

  4. thephantomstranger says: May 27, 2011 12:07 PM

    I always liked that guy.

  5. finfanjim says: May 27, 2011 12:08 PM

    I’m glad Kurt will speak his mind without influence from anyone.

  6. capslockkey says: May 27, 2011 12:08 PM

    Why are Warner’s comments surprising? Although, I guess logic and reason can be a little surprising when it’s coming out of a player/former player’s mouth these days.

  7. Southpaw says: May 27, 2011 12:09 PM

    Exactly. And that’s precisely why it pisses me off to hear Drew Brees say “the owners just want to take a piece of the pie that they won’t ever give back” when that’s what the players did when Tagliabue left, and here they are simply wanting more than before.

  8. vahawker says: May 27, 2011 12:12 PM

    at some point, the players have to give in. And, hopefully, they can gain some other things on their side.
    *********************************************

    Can’t happen with deMoron around because that sounds too much like NEGOTIATING…you know…give some here-take some there.

  9. mightygiants says: May 27, 2011 12:16 PM

    Warner’s comments really don’t carry much weight or credibility. Stating the player must cave in to the justified demands of the owners, without explaining or justifying is useless. Although I could see how this got a full and separate article here on PFT, which has a decidedly pro-owner take on the situation.

  10. saints25 says: May 27, 2011 12:18 PM

    Someone better wake up on the NFLPA side,I’m telling you more an more will speakup,Te Free Agents have to get contracts to support there Families!!!

  11. bunjy96 says: May 27, 2011 12:19 PM

    Another player telling it like it is.

    The sooner more realize that, DeSmith will have to stop litigating and negotiate-if he knows how.

  12. mvp43 says: May 27, 2011 12:20 PM

    Players are starting to cave………..good!

  13. hooskerdo says: May 27, 2011 12:21 PM

    It’s not so much that they have to give in, they just need to actually negotiate.

  14. wiscdave says: May 27, 2011 12:22 PM

    It must be that servant’s heart he’s always talking about.

  15. 4gone says: May 27, 2011 12:23 PM

    I believe the players need to “give in” to at least talk. Right now they are so bitter, they won’t even open up to discussions as evidenced yesterday by the comments of Drew Maurice Smith-Brees.
    GET TO THE TABLE
    Make Touchdowns Not War

    PS – is Kurt buying a team that we are not aware of?

  16. jerrydesaulniers says: May 27, 2011 12:24 PM

    What’s not to like about Kurt Warner?

  17. eaglesfan290 says: May 27, 2011 12:26 PM

    They are still going to get a good deal and the faster they make a deal the better it will be!

    The Owners are loosing money and the longer this goes the more money back they will want from the players, maybe not over the entire new CBA, but certianly to prorate what they have already lost this year.

  18. donnybighorn says: May 27, 2011 12:26 PM

    Finally, a player that makes sense. Get these spoiled rotten children back on the field. So they can’t kill bears and other animals. Little by little sports is not as fun anymore!

  19. tombrookshire says: May 27, 2011 12:26 PM

    Oh, he is so completely wrong. Those owners, with the prospect of losing any of their precious dollars come September will press for a deal. Anyone knows that those who have lots of money only want more, and hate to lose any of it. If players weren’t able to come up with alternative sources of income, they will be pressured into giving in. But the smart ones saw the handwriting on the wall and acted accordingly. If the players capitulate now, they will validate the lockout tactic and ensure that this is the one and only ploy the owners ever need to use to get the concessions they want. That is, two more games, less compensation, a lower percentage, less attention to concerns over safety, no pension or healthcare after retirement. If they don’t want to play two extra games, they need to be prepared to see this through to it’s conclusion or be forced to give in on every important point. Warner seems to be shilling for the owners. I guess his income depends on it. If I was a player I would pay him no mind at all.

  20. altonvch11 says: May 27, 2011 12:27 PM

    Warner isn’t going to be invited to any current players barbque’s this summer

  21. depotnator says: May 27, 2011 12:27 PM

    Losing my respect for Kurt Warner. It’s a poor strategy for his HOF quest to alienate players past, present and future – plus those in the media who feel differently than him. What is it about ex-jocks who can’t keep their mouths shut when they don’t have a dog in this fight.

  22. p4ever says: May 27, 2011 12:35 PM

    Shut up Kurt! Did your wife dictate what to say?

  23. imsmartandyouarenot says: May 27, 2011 12:36 PM

    FINALLY. A voice of reason.
    Players, if any of you dolts are reading, take Kurt’s advice. That shyster you hired is only milking you all for the money and a stepping stone in career advancement.

    Admit your mistake. Admit you do not have leverage. FIRE that shyster before all of you start missing game checks and bonus payments. Your bargaining position will only become weaker, it will not improve.

    Get a UNION man, a FOOTBALL man into the leadership position. Sit down with the owners YOURSELVES.

    Make that shyster sit on the sidelines and show you ALL what the owners presented so far.

  24. willycents says: May 27, 2011 12:40 PM

    I agree with him, the players have to “give in,” but not surrender.
    With that said, the owners have to “give in” also and not surrender.
    Currently, it appears to this outsider, that the owners have offered to “give in” a little by lowering some of their requirements. The players have refused to budge from a “take it or leave it” attitude on their proposal(terms of the last cba)
    Negotiations to an agreement require both sides to “give in” to reach any agreement.

  25. hawkjuice says: May 27, 2011 12:41 PM

    Finally a player opens his mouth wothout sounding like a moron

  26. bobwhitequail says: May 27, 2011 12:42 PM

    Warner can look at the situation objectively and is not subject to De Smith and Jeffrey Kessler ramming “they are trying to screw you, are you going to lay down or fight?, this is WAR?” down his throat.

    Outside of De Smith and Kessler’s pressure, I think a lot of the players would look at this dispute objectively and NEGOTIATE to work out a deal for both sides. But with the two TRIAL ATTORNEYS representing the players, they want to sue. They enjoy suing, that is what they do and Kessler has made $25 million as of of 2010 on CBA matters.

  27. psmith7716 says: May 27, 2011 12:45 PM

    Some of the players will run out of money and put pressure on the negotiaters to settle. The owners have the bucks and will simply outlast the players.

  28. hikohadon says: May 27, 2011 12:46 PM

    He’s just stating the obvious. The only matter is how long before the players realize it’s true.

  29. zxcvbnmjhgfdsa says: May 27, 2011 12:47 PM

    “The players have to give in.”

    Translation: Ford (the players) has to give in to GM (the owners).

    So the car at the front of the parade will be a Chevy.

    Warner understands that ‘talking and negotiating’ just isn’t gonna get it done.

  30. nineroutsider says: May 27, 2011 12:47 PM

    He’s right…the owners are serious enough and stupid enough to miss games; all if necessary.

    Pro owner guys – are they planning on putting some of that money in the pockets of season ticket holders?

    I think not, so don’t give them your money. It’s very clear now what the league thinks of it’s fans, players, and support staff. I am still bent over how they treated fans at the Super Bowl who showed up to find out they didn’t have seats. They don’t have to worship fans, but they shouldn’t treat them like dog sh!t either.

    Lots of blackouts coming this year…

  31. paul197343 says: May 27, 2011 12:49 PM

    Kurt is as “level headed” as any player/former player who knows this business, and ya gotta say, he has a valid point.

  32. dickroy says: May 27, 2011 12:50 PM

    Wow! He just made some enemies!

  33. harmcityhomer says: May 27, 2011 12:50 PM

    Not really. The players have a winning legal argument. The lockout may or may not stay in place for a while, and the owners may win a legal battle or two along the way, but the players have the law on thier side, and eventually can win the war.

    Also the while this is a battle between Billionares and Millionares, the Billionares have billions at risk, the players have millions at risk. It is not like only the players lose money because of the lockout.

  34. mrplow3 says: May 27, 2011 12:58 PM

    Warner’s just saying what all of us fans already know.

    Though they make millions more than us working class slob fans the rules really arent that different. I mean come on, what would happen if we walked into our bosses office and demanded he open the company books and show us their profits and pay us based off those numbers?

    The answer would be “no” just like the answer is “no” to the players making said ridiculous request. The only difference is we would all be fired immeditely after hearing “no” and the players will continue making millions.

  35. airraid77 says: May 27, 2011 1:00 PM

    I dont understand why anybody thinks the owners dont have every right to get something back…..owners losing money in the long run is bad buisness…this is common sense…..

  36. JSpicoli says: May 27, 2011 1:02 PM

    He is correct, and when they have had enough of the pain, they will buckle.

  37. greenbaypackerbacker says: May 27, 2011 1:03 PM

    They are fighting over 1 billion dollars basically it sounds like in theory correct me if I am wrong.

    how about building an account starting in 2011 that has 100% of the funds going into a slush fund for stadium development. Create it as a loan program type of setup. over 5 years you would have 5 Billion dollars in this account.

    Sounds to me like 5 billion can make a lot of renovations with teams taking the money at a minimal interest rate to pay it back to the account.

    Now the fans and cities aren’t getting screwed over with taxes to fund the damn things.

  38. tommyf15 says: May 27, 2011 1:03 PM

    mvp43 says:
    Players are starting to cave………..good!

    Geez, another pro-owner shill is kidding themelves.

    Warner is no longer a player. His opinion carries no more weight than mine.

  39. airraid77 says: May 27, 2011 1:08 PM

    and no the players dont have the law on their side, they wont win at the 8th circuit and I guarantee they will give all unions a crushing blow if they are stupid enough to give the supreme a crack at it.

  40. airraid77 says: May 27, 2011 1:09 PM

    please union take this to the supreme court… i beg of you to make that mistake.

  41. tommyf15 says: May 27, 2011 1:09 PM

    bobwhitequail says:
    Outside of De Smith and Kessler’s pressure, I think a lot of the players would look at this dispute objectively and NEGOTIATE to work out a deal for both sides. But with the two TRIAL ATTORNEYS representing the players, they want to sue. They enjoy suing, that is what they do and Kessler has made $25 million as of of 2010 on CBA matters.

    Let’s not forget that Roger Goodell and Jeffery Pash are also TRIAL ATTORNEYS.

    Seriously, what is all this nonsense about DeMaurice Smith leading reluctant players down a path of doom? The player voted Smith in just two years ago, and they were excited about the direction he’d take them.

  42. commandercornpone says: May 27, 2011 1:10 PM

    kurt is correct, “brookshire”.

    gee how many players have taken out bling loans so far…

  43. imjinbrdgr says: May 27, 2011 1:11 PM

    I hope the players listen to him, BUT, this is coming from a guy who made his millions under the old contract and now he’s telling players of today that they can’t expect to make that much and they need to cave. I’m in favor of anything that gets a settlement but if I were a player my response would be “easy for him to say”.

  44. mvp43 says: May 27, 2011 1:12 PM

    I love what he said, but I doubt he would of said it had he not cashed in on a huge contract…

  45. chapnastier says: May 27, 2011 1:15 PM

    @ tombrookshire

    You couldn’t be more wrong! The first deal offered to the players stated that would be NO 18 game season!! It also increased everything you are saying would go away! For every pro-player person who can articulate a good argument there are 10 people like you who are just pure ignorant.

  46. klutch14u says: May 27, 2011 1:19 PM

    Curious, could these groups of players that want to move forward with negotiations form a “new” union with different leaders (assuming they could get enough on board)? It’d crack me up if Smith ended up being out on his ass from decertifying and basically eliminating his own job.

  47. tombrookshire says: May 27, 2011 1:21 PM

    @nineroutsider – you give those greedy bstds too much credit. When players last struck, owners were so afraid of losing money they hired fake players to play in fake games. With the owners initiating the action, its more a matter of how long they will be able to stomach losing their precious millions. I bet that they will be the first to give in if the players remain united. If they capitulate, however, they’ll lose their bargaining power forever. Really, can you see Jerry Jones prolonging the lockout into the season on principle? I didn’t think so.

  48. sakatak says: May 27, 2011 1:28 PM

    Don’t forget Kurt was bagging groceries in Iowa before he signed on with the Packers, he knows both ends of the wage scale. That gives him a more unique viewpoint than some of the current players.

  49. tombrookshire says: May 27, 2011 1:29 PM

    @chapnastier – dude, you certainly live up to your handle! That was then, this is now. Didn’t you see Goodell supporting the 18 game season in an earlier post on this blog? Owners have never gotten off of that position. It is central to increasing their stream of revenue. As is, playing football games all over world, thus taking games out of the hometowns of fans that support them. What’s wrong with you?

  50. chapnastier says: May 27, 2011 1:30 PM

    Check out Silver’s article today. It is amazing.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-silver_nflpa_could_stay_permanently_decetified_052711

  51. hedleykow says: May 27, 2011 1:30 PM

    Does anyone else remember when Warner’s wife decided to chime in to the media about Kurt’s contract negotiations with the Rams?

    As right as she was about Kurt’s future in the NFL, it was still sort of funny at the time.

    Maybe someone should ask Kurt’s wife about the lock out?

  52. giantrealist says: May 27, 2011 1:34 PM

    Wow. The Union hating rats on this site have a brand new hero!

  53. redsghost says: May 27, 2011 1:40 PM

    harmcityhomer says:May 27, 2011 12:50 PM

    Not really. The players have a winning legal argument. The lockout may or may not stay in place for a while, and the owners may win a legal battle or two along the way, but the players have the law on thier side, and eventually can win the war.

    Also the while this is a battle between Billionares and Millionares, the Billionares have billions at risk, the players have millions at risk. It is not like only the players lose money because of the lockout.

    Couldn’t decide who was stupidier- you or Brookshire.
    The Players have a LOSING legal arguement. Have you even read ANYTHING on this labor fight? The Legislation is very specific that Judges cannot interfere. You understand those words, right? The case was presented to the Nat’l Labor Board. You understand those words, right?
    The Players won a battle or two, but they’re now in the process of losing the war.
    As you said- the Billionaires have billions to lose, the Millionaires have millions to lose.
    With said millionaires taking out loans to cover their “bling”- who will run out of money first? The Billionaires or Millionaires?
    Exactly! Now, do your homework and read about the case before you say something else stupid.
    Kurt DID make millions under the OLD contract just as many other players did. The NEW contract simply won’t be as generous. Tough luck! They should’ve been born 5-6 years earlier!

  54. johnster67 says: May 27, 2011 1:43 PM

    One thing everyone seems to overlook. The Owners have all the power here. Every season, new players come into the league, and every season, older players retire / get cut / get injured, and a new star is born. Think Drew Bledsoe / Tom Brady. The NFL is the dream for millions of kids out there, and they would be perfectly happy to play for less than half what Ray Lewis makes, and each of us, as fans, would still pay as much money to see these “new stars” as much as the old stars.
    The UFL lack of succes has proven that we want the NFL, and the excitement of the draft, and the ungodly sales of Tim Tebow jerseys show that we want the newest and supposed greatest.
    Another example is how 3 seasons ago, everyone was a fan of Marion Barber III. Today, he probably can’t even catch on to a practice squad.

  55. nineroutsider says: May 27, 2011 1:53 PM

    @airraid77

    No NFL team is losing money; the business model isn’t bad. The NFL would be running to open its books if that were the case and this thing would have been done a long time ago.

    The NFL is just trying to fatten its margins which isn’t all bad, but the players have a right to protect their acorn as well. I view the players as partners and not employees…this isn’t a plumbing shop or a company like Oracle. The players are the product.

    This is why I keep saying its hard to pick sides, so I choose to be pro a normal football season and will back whatever side delivers that the quickest. A lockout certainly doesn’t help my cause, neither does endless litigation, so I am stuck hoping that reasonable people prevail.

  56. goombar2 says: May 27, 2011 1:55 PM

    Didn’t the players say they’d sign or continue the same CBA the players were already under?

    So if that’s not good enough it only seems to reason they think they were going to get a worse deal… I mean, if that’s were they were starting.

    But without knowing, and the owners aren’t exactly being upfront, how much revenues are it’s hard to know what a solid deal is.

    I don’t think Warner is saying anything earth shattering, just common sense.

  57. imsmartandyouarenot says: May 27, 2011 1:56 PM

    tommy15 says:

    “Seriously, what is all this nonsense about DeMaurice Smith leading reluctant players down a path of doom? The player voted Smith in just two years ago, and they were excited about the direction he’d take them.”

    _________________________________

    I promise you they are not “excited” anymore. LMAO

    It’s pretty clear that the tables are starting to be turned on this shyster.
    Agents are speaking out to protect their players, players themselves are starting to speak out and question him.

    That shyster said all the right things to those players just to get elected, THATS ALL. He is no different than a politician.

    The players are stupid to keep listening to him. Everyone is starting to see it except you, duanethomas, and your other pro player shills

  58. depotnator says: May 27, 2011 1:59 PM

    Haha…I see all the unemployed owner shills are out in force this morning. They are probably stadium janitors or ticket punchers who were told to go spread league propaganda on the web or CYA. These clones all say the same redundant message no matter what the topic is. I wonder when the OWNER FANTASY DRAFT will be held. There will be a scramble for all the fat owners for the OL and DL.

  59. greenbaypackerbacker says: May 27, 2011 2:02 PM

    Here is a fair trade off and we can get this thing put to bed.

    18 game season or 1 billion dollars what do the players want? They need to give in on one or the other. Either the owners keep the billion that they are complaining about to one another, or we get the 18 game season.

    Sorry Mr. Brese and De Mo you can’t have your cake and eat it too!

    How is it it seems that only the owners are making offers and consolations? Where are the counter-offers?

  60. duffer58 says: May 27, 2011 2:13 PM

    All you kiss up to the Owners.
    No player in their right mind what take what owners offered. The Owners keep making more money and players are supposed to take less?
    The Owners have not made a serious offer so what are players supposed to do?
    The players are correct they were locked out by the owners.
    Every franchise keeps going up in value. Owners are really hurting.

  61. duffer58 says: May 27, 2011 2:17 PM

    you can not counter offer the absurd. Owners have not made a serious offer. Open your books Jerry let us see what you are paying relatives and yourself. See how much you are hurting.

  62. depotnator says: May 27, 2011 2:22 PM

    Why do the owner shills think the players are not making counteroffers through their class representatives ( lawyers)? All that makes it to the media is the PR spin. The real negotiating is in the ‘cloak room’. The biggest challenge for each side in the CBA mess is to shield the serious discussions from the media. Meanwhile, the media – including this site – are struggling to stay relevant by spreading and emphasizing any little rumor or quote they can get their hands on.

  63. willycents says: May 27, 2011 2:22 PM

    @ tommy15 and all the other uniformed okayer shills on here…oodell is no a trial lawyer, or any other type lawyer. His degree and experience is in economics. Dummies proclaiming De Smith’s talking points. Idiots.

  64. willycents says: May 27, 2011 2:23 PM

    whoops okayer = player, oodell = Goodell

  65. principaluncertainty says: May 27, 2011 2:24 PM

    What does he mean by ‘give in?’

  66. poweredtoast says: May 27, 2011 2:26 PM

    The opinion of a guy who’s only qualified to ask you ‘paper or plastic?’ outside the NFL is not one that matters…

  67. tommyf15 says: May 27, 2011 2:30 PM

    imsmartandyouarenot says:
    May 27, 2011 1:56 PM
    tommy15 says:

    “Seriously, what is all this nonsense about DeMaurice Smith leading reluctant players down a path of doom? The player voted Smith in just two years ago, and they were excited about the direction he’d take them.”

    _________________________________

    I promise you they are not “excited” anymore. LMAO

    What makes you think that? From Day One, Smith made it clear to the players that on March 3, 2011 the owner would lock them out (Smith was off by eight days thanks to the extension.

    At this point it only makes sense for the players to wait for the June 3 appeal. Maybe the players will win, maybe the Owner’s Union will win. But to pretend that the decision has been rendered even before the arguments have been made before the court is a classic example of not forecasting, but wishcasting.

  68. sterling7 says: May 27, 2011 2:30 PM

    Let me reiterate. Remember when a lot of us woke up on the first Sunday of NFL gameday and looked for the (our) particular game back when-the NFC used to be on CBS? We didn’t see it there because the NFC moved over to Fox. Jerry Jones negotiated that deal and made an awful lot of money for the NFL in the process. Jerry Jones said why stay with CBS when we can move the NFC over to FOX for tons more money? That deal endeared Jerry Jones to the owners and they trusted Jerry Jones to basically handle the owners/players deal in the last agreement. However the money was so great that Jerry Jones got the NFL owners to sign an agreement. 30 out of 32 owners agreed so I’m told. The owners took a bath on that deal. With or without Gene Upshaw the owners are prepared to take a step or two back in order to take control on the majority of the funds. There’s plenty of money for eveybody but the owners are dug in like wood ticks and they will not fold. The players are weaker (not weak) and little by little they will give in and when you have someone leading your cause like DeMaurice there could even be a mutiny. In the end everyone will say it was (is) a mutual agreement and everybody wins-but the owners will definitely win this one.

  69. redsghost says: May 27, 2011 2:37 PM

    “depotnator says:May 27, 2011 1:59 PM

    Haha…I see all the unemployed owner shills are out in force this morning. They are probably stadium janitors or ticket punchers”

    And yet, here you are, in the afternoon, on the computer. How’s that $200.00 per week in unemployments benefits doing for ya? Or is your fat ass being supported by your hotel maid wife?
    I retired at 44- i.e early- Go Owners!

  70. randolph32 says: May 27, 2011 2:37 PM

    Come on Deb, chime in will ya?

  71. hystoracle says: May 27, 2011 2:47 PM

    If the players strategy is to continue to litigate and not negotiate then no one wins. BYE BYE NFL see you in the fall of 2012. (that is if the owners aren’t forced to shutdown the league because of continuous litigation.) Maybe some of the close-to-the-border teams can join the CFL for a season.

  72. zxcvbnmjhgfdsa says: May 27, 2011 2:48 PM

    Mr. Smith and Mr. Pash need to decide on the shape of the conference table, and start talking and negotiating.

  73. Deb says: May 27, 2011 2:55 PM

    finfanjim says:

    I’m glad Kurt will speak his mind without influence from anyone
    ——————————————

    You mean like the league, which pays his NFL Network salary? ROFL

  74. altonvch11 says: May 27, 2011 3:04 PM

    Just because the players had a great deal last time does not necessarily mean they have to take one in the *ss today.

  75. klunge says: May 27, 2011 3:04 PM

    harmcityhomer says:
    May 27, 2011 12:50 PM
    Also the while this is a battle between Billionares and Millionares, the Billionares have billions at risk, the players have millions at risk. It is not like only the players lose money because of the lockout.
    ————————————–
    Yeah, but the billionaires are rich outside of football, the millionaires are rich only because of football.

  76. xxbomberxx says: May 27, 2011 3:36 PM

    Wow… judging by the thumbs up nobody here give a crap about the players… which is EXACTLY why players are only out to get theirs and dont give a crap about the fans

  77. deadeye says: May 27, 2011 3:58 PM

    Kurt has a brain, OMG. Did this happen when he retired? Certainly no active player could ever display this amount of cognitive ability!

  78. Wisconsin77 says: May 27, 2011 4:02 PM

    Uncle Tom

  79. whatswiththehate says: May 27, 2011 4:03 PM

    Kurt Warner really gets on my nerves. Yeah, so what if he supposedly left millions on the table to walk away from football. Did he not accomplish his goals while making millions under the system he now feels eventual go away? And he may no longer be a player, but he darn sure still being paid by the NFL.

    The sport media handling of the NFL lock-out reminds me of how typical corporate media handles other corporate entities. They first the general public all riled up by mentioning how much billions the owners and CEO of those companies make Then sit there and let the greed owners and CEO continue to make billions off of the American people by focusing our attention elsewhere instead of doing their job and demanding the greedy folks at the top to do the right thing.

    And we wonder why we’re playing $4.00 for gas while the greedy CEOs of gas company continues to beg the government for more tax breaks that they kown they don’t need.

    The corporate run media and the NFL, coporate in every sense of the word, are six of one and half a dozen of the other..

  80. ezwriter69 says: May 27, 2011 4:06 PM

    Y’all keep yapping about the players wanting more, and even Warner says hopefully they will “gain” something in exchange… the fact is, they were willing to re-sign the exact same agreement they play under now, from day one and still are, the fight is over how much the owners can grab back from them.
    I’m not particularly on either side of this stupid battle, but facts are facts: the players are NOT demanding more than they already have, the owners are.

  81. ezwriter69 says: May 27, 2011 4:08 PM

    redsghost, uh, guess those comments were directed at yourself, since you’re doing exactly the same thing you’re spewing irrational ugly hate at the rest of us for. Mirror, dude, mirror.

  82. lgwelsh1 says: May 27, 2011 4:13 PM

    The truth hurts, Kurt nailed it right on the head.

  83. draftking says: May 27, 2011 4:17 PM

    It’s hard to believe that Kurt Warner is an objective voice since he works for the NFL Network. But he’s right that the players will have to make some concessions, though to think that the owners won’t as well is foolish.

  84. jimphin says: May 27, 2011 4:18 PM

    Now Warner is definitely a man who appreciates the game. He went from being a bag boy at the local quickie mart…

    Then worked his way up in the Arena league…And the NFL gave him a chance to develop in the NFL Europe league.

    Maybe he was thinking of a guy like Mark Brunell when he said the players have too much to lose.

    I doubt anyone really wants to join the bankrupt millionaires club.

  85. sportsrube90 says: May 27, 2011 5:29 PM

    Players will have to give in. The owners are smart and actually know how to manage money. You have a lot of dumb players out there who are already broke and burn their money. It’s only a matter of time

  86. tombrookshire says: May 27, 2011 5:42 PM

    @Wisconsin77 – you got it right brother! All these dudes on here shilling for management are total Uncle Toms. They’re just afraid they won’t have football to gamble their unemployment checks on. They place a bet first before putting food on the table for their kids. C’mon, you know I’m right.

  87. bsizemore68 says: May 27, 2011 5:45 PM

    To have an agreement both sides need to compromise. That is the only way for it to work. Bill

  88. tomosbornesretirementcostjoepaatitle says: May 27, 2011 5:56 PM

    whatswiththehate says:
    May 27, 2011 4:03 PM

    And we wonder why we’re playing $4.00 for gas while the greedy CEOs of gas company continues to beg the government for more tax breaks that they kown they don’t need.

    ———————————————-

    I don’t wonder why we are paying $4/gallon. I wonder how much longer gas will be this cheap. We still pay 50% or less for our gasoline than the rest of the world.

  89. goawayeverybody says: May 27, 2011 6:00 PM

    If the majority of football players weren’t so freaking stupid with their money, they could endure the lockout.

    For instance, Heath Evans, who isn’t exactly knocking off the top of the salary cap with his career, was able to save enough money to buy multiple homes. He then sold all his homes but one so that he and his family would be more than taken care of during this lockout period. Unfortunately, most of the NFL players do not have Heath Evans’ fiscal discipline so we are going to see the lockout end exactly like Kurt Warner is describing. Sad and pathetic.

  90. goombar2 says: May 27, 2011 6:15 PM

    I thought the NFL Network operated separately from the league, otherwise right there you’d have problems with a monopoly and anti-trust because they have games they only show on NFLN.

    Like I said, the players and De started by offering to just continue the CBA last signed. Normally, in negotiation you start out asking for more than you’d likely get? No?

    All this player hate here and De hate… Silliness. Now hate Warner? There’s lots I disagree with the guy on, but come on?!?!

    An Uncle Tom? First it’s a racial term for a black person that’s subservient to a white guy… So using it here is about as dumb as AP talking about being a slave.

    Warner is a good guy and folks need to chill out.

  91. rabidmike says: May 27, 2011 6:20 PM

    Can someone who knows, post the current revenue sharing percentages? I think it’s skewed pretty significantly in favor of the players and the owner’s deal decreases the players’ share over time, but claims to increase the total pie so the players continue to get more money. I think one of the more creative arguments to get this deal done is the addition of a salary floor to the existing salary cap. Because without the “floor” there is nothing keeping the owners from staying tens of millions under the cap. It seems to benefit both sides.

  92. george3246 says: May 27, 2011 6:58 PM

    Thanks for bringing up the union haters that seem prevalent throughout PFT threads, giant realist.

    Notwithstanding Deb’s point that Kurt works for the NFL, I’m not surprised how he has sided.
    Since Wagner is an evangelical christian, that could mean he believes that collective bargaining is a sin if his pastor or other social conservative nut jobs are in his ear. Even if Kurt is too smart to believe that, he has to keep up appearances for his wife.

    Just the dirty word “union” makes right wing dolts froth at the mouth as they call the educated elitists of our society a bunch of mfing commies. And guys like Fatso Limpballs and Nutso Beck tell them that the two words “social justice” are un-American.

  93. Deb says: May 27, 2011 10:06 PM

    @george3246 …

    I’m an evangelical Christian. A few of us know capitalism is an economic system, not an 11th commandment, and we understand the love of money is the root of all evil. Don’t blame the faith for the failures of the practitioners.

    Perhaps I’m too cynical, but I think Kurt’s comments are quite calculated. He wasn’t opposed to the union when it helped secure his own lucrative contracts. However, now he wants a broadcast career, and not only does the league butter his bread, but making oppositional comments assures him attention. This isn’t the first time he’s thrown players under the bus since hitting the booth. And his personal story and popularity with conservatives could make for a future political run. Suggesting the players abandon the union strategy might be a way of banking political points.

  94. jwbiii says: May 28, 2011 12:08 AM

    “I thought the NFL Network operated separately from the league”

    No. The NFL Network is owned by the NFL. NFL Network CEO Steve Bornstein is also the NFL VP for marketing. Other NFL Network executives are also NFL Films executives. NFL Films is also an NFL subsidiary. When Roger Goodell moves his hand, he can make an NFL Network puppet dance. For a more difficult trick, see if an NFL Network puppet can comment on labor issues while Goodell is drinking a glass of water. Nothing here but spin.

  95. mogogo1 says: May 28, 2011 12:15 AM

    I think most everybody knows deep down that Warner is right. I’m not saying the players will get totally hosed–the last proposal from the owners was actually pretty close to what the players have asked for on most fronts–but if it drags on long enough, the players will run out of money first because they’re not billionaires like the owners are.

    Now, if the players score some more victories in court that will help equalize things a bit, but there’s no way the ultimate decision will be “you owners are ordered to split everything 50-50 with the players.” There’s not a business anywhere that works that way.

    The players only hope of a major victory would require some major division within the ranks of the owners, which simply isn’t happening.

  96. axespray says: May 28, 2011 2:11 AM

    “Anyone knows that those who have lots of money only want more, and hate to lose any of it.”

    The Players?

  97. CKL says: May 28, 2011 9:44 AM

    “LOVE of money is the root of all evil” thank you Deb you may be the first person I have seen in a long time who has the quote right. Most people leave out the “love” part.

    That said I do think you are being a little too cynical about Warner. Had he been reticent to give his honest and maybe controversial opinions before he retired then you may have more of a case. But he’s always more or less spoken his mind that I recall. Remember even Mawae who is the NFLPA president admitted the union “got such a good deal” in 06. Others have echoed that IIRC. And several players including Brady have mentioned a need to compromise which is mostly what Kurt is saying in different words. I don’t think it’s that controversial personally.

    I think NFLN has actually been pretty even handed with their coverage of this whole mess. I don’t sense any flagrant bias as one may expect to see with the network being owned by the league. And that’s a good thing. We just want information when it comes to the issues, not “Rich Eisen (for example) hates the owners, but Warner doesn’t” or whatever. I mean as MF has pointed out many many times and rightfully so these current players have shown zero qualms about doing extensive interviews on set of NFLTA and via satellite, including a member of the former Executive Committee in Jeff Saturday. I think it was pretty fair of NFLN to give Saturday a voice for his union talking points myself. I wish all media regardless of “slant” could do that since it’s a good way to see the other side’s POV and try to make educated opinions.

  98. Deb says: May 28, 2011 11:17 AM

    @CKL …

    I’ve had several issues with Kurt since his retirement. It could be seeing more of him off the field just makes me realize he rubs me the wrong way :)

    As for the player-friendly CBA … the owners spent a century exploiting and abusing players. I’m thrilled players had a couple of years with a CBA that tipped in their favor. The owners didn’t have to sign that agreement. And while that CBA was in effect, they prospered tremendously.

    Yes, both sides need to reach an accommodation. But compromise happens at a negotiating table, not in a courtroom. If the owners want to negotiate, they can lift the lockout, implement last year’s rules, resume the season, and stop torturing their employees and fans. This isn’t a strike, it’s a lockout and the owners are the only ones outside the court who can stop it. Then everyone can sit down, reach an agreement, and withdraw the lawsuits.

    Those declaring the players can’t win are shortsighted. The owners are trying to starve them out, but they’re cutting off their own noses to do it. At some point, they’ll have to lift the lockout. And if this continues through the courts, I believe the players will ultimately succeed. That would would serve the interests of some players, and even some owners, but it’s not what most want. The owners have been foolish to let it go this far. So many on PFT are directing their venom toward De Smith when they should be directing as much or more to the strategists on the other side.

  99. madeline2009 says: May 29, 2011 1:42 AM

    he’s jealous that Hine’s won DWTS.

  100. slice60 says: May 29, 2011 4:33 AM

    Kurt Warner is not a “player”.

    Kurt Warner is a “broadcaster” who will probably not get paid if the season goes under & Kurt Warner is a “former player” who wants a deal that is favorable for former players.

  101. slice60 says: May 29, 2011 4:43 AM

    airraid77 says:
    May 27, 2011 1:00 PM
    I dont understand why anybody thinks the owners dont have every right to get something back…..owners losing money in the long run is bad buisness…this is common sense…..
    ***
    WAIT A SECOND! WHO SAID THE OWNERS ARE LOSING MONEY???

    I don’t think the owners have even claimed to be losing money. But who can tell anyway because they won’t share any financial reports.

    What if your boss came to you & said “You’re doing a fine job & I have rewarded you well for many years– maybe too well! Well, times are tough now so I’m going to reduce your salary by 18%. I can’t let you see the books but, TRUST ME, times are tough! So you should just willingly accept that 18% pay cut & get back to work.”

    If the owners need a bigger share of the pie in order to stay financially strong, then prove it.

  102. airraid77 says: May 29, 2011 10:23 AM

    if I made 10 million last year and made 9.9999999 million this year, I Lost money.
    I dont collectively bargain with my boss, and if the owners need to show the book then lets see the players individual financial record….its called collective bargaining….both sides have the right to try and get whatever it is they want….
    My boss has every right to cut my pay, I have every right to find another, the difference is I am not paying union nor would I .

  103. airraid77 says: May 29, 2011 10:25 AM

    and once again they offered to show the books and once the players didnt negotiate. the players dont want the books, they dont want a new deal period. NO current player is going to suffer a pay cut other than the ones that would anyways.

  104. freedomispopular says: May 29, 2011 10:09 PM

    I’d have to say that the offer the owners put on the table was pretty fair. So if that wasn’t good enough for the players, they’re definitely gonna need to give in a little if they’re ever gonna get a deal done.

  105. nard100 says: Jun 1, 2011 4:30 PM

    Well duh! Of course they have to give somewhat, but what they give in needs to be negotiated properly. you don’t get that by, “…hopefully, they can gain some other things on their side.”. You get it by bargaining in good faith, which the league isn’t doing. the owners did this during the last negotiation and now they regret it. opening the negotiation with “take an 18% paycut across the board is NOT negotiating. It’s not cutting their rate of pay over the next 3-5 years (current “offer”). I get where Kurt is coming from, but if you give in to these sharks (owners) you always regret it. For those who support the owners, let me ask you this question, if the owners win this time what monetary beniifits will come our way as fans? Will they drop ticket prices? Will they stop charging the same price for pre-season games as regular season games? Will they stop charging tens of thousands of dollars for PSLs? Exactly. Will they back off on 18 games a year in the interests of players and the overall good of the game? Not a chance.

  106. nard100 says: Jun 1, 2011 4:35 PM

    Also, some pensions have been cut off during the lockout too. Kinda puts these comments in perspective doesn’t it.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-bills-pensions

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