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Ponder bothered by Trent Dilfer’s post-draft criticism

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Most draft observers considered the Vikings’ selection of quarterback Christian Ponder to be a reach, maybe even the biggest of round one. Few were more outspoken than ESPN analyst Trent Dilfer.

Christian Ponder is Elvis Grbac,” Dilfer said after the pick was made. “… Elvis Grbac was a beautiful thrower. He threw for 4,000 yards. He did a lot of nice things.

“Every time it got tough, he melted.”

Dilfer claimed to have watched every snap Ponder took at Florida State. In Dilfer’s opinion, Ponder tanks under pressure, and is more workout wonder than franchise quarterback.

“The pocket has to be nice [for Ponder to excel],” Dilfer added. “Any time he’s asked to quicken that up or there’s people around him, his accuracy is awful. … He plays with a lot of anxiety. … Christian Ponder tests of the charts. He’s in shorts and a t-shirt. He goes to his pro workout, he’s in shorts and a t-shirt. His big pecs are hanging out. He’s got big guns.”

And Ponder was listening.

I heard he was really railing on me,” the rookie told Jeremy Fowler of the St. Paul Pioneer Press. “It almost comes across as personal for some reason. I didn’t know he was doing medical tests at the Combine.”

Ponder already showed that he can overcome adversity by rebounding from a seemingly devastating Chick Fil-A Bowl game in which he went 1-for-5 for six yards and was yanked in favor of sophomore E.J. Manuel. (Supposedly due to a concussion.) Ponder’s agent, Jimmy Sexton, projected his client as no better than a third-round pick at the time.

Ponder went 12th overall.

Ideally, Ponder will use the criticisms of Dilfer and draftniks to fuel his fire. In Minnesota, he’s got a good chance at success with one of the NFL’s top running games to keep defenses at bay, and an impressive young cast of receivers and tight ends to throw to.

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  1. granadafan says: May 29, 2011 1:11 PM

    The claims of being a workout wonder are valid. Other guys who looked great in shorts and wowed the scouts during workouts but were utter and complete busts include: JaWalrus Russell, Jeff George, Jim Druckenmiller, etc. Then there are just about every single Heisman Trophy winner busts since 1990.

  2. duanethomas says: May 29, 2011 1:15 PM

    He better develop some thick skin because being a quarterback in the NFL he will get critized. Block it out and play to the best of your abilities and don’t react to every slight like you’re Donald Trump.

  3. mneal69 says: May 29, 2011 1:15 PM

    Trent Dilfer is the last QB to tell another QB he melts under pressure. Trent Delfer doesn’t need to be analyzing anyone because the guy was plain terrible. Here are his career numbers:

    He a career completetion percentage of 55.5% and threw 113 TD’s and 129 Int’s. His highest completetion percentage ever and he hit it 3x was 59.8%. Please just shut up you less than mediocore QB.

  4. tbtrojan says: May 29, 2011 1:16 PM

    Well if Ponder is Elvis Grbac it means he is better than Dilfer, a guy that the Bucs threw away a 6th overall pick on.
    Then again I guess that means Dilfer is an expert on QB busts being as he experianced being one first hand.

  5. fatfreddystubbs says: May 29, 2011 1:19 PM

    “His big pecs are hanging out. He’s got big guns.”
    ————————————————–

    Every possible comment about that statement wouldn’t see the light of day, so I think I’ll just let it speak for itself, except to say to young Ponder, don’t worry about what Trent “I thank the Ravens defense every night for the fact that i have a Super Bowl ring” Dilfer says about you.

  6. cidman2001 says: May 29, 2011 1:23 PM

    Dilfer lucked his way into a SB win and sucked the rest of his career. Hardly someone I would give much credo to. Like he would know his ass from a hole in the ground…..

  7. ernestbynershands says: May 29, 2011 1:24 PM

    Was Dilfer maybe reading the report on himself?
    Oh, wait, he mentioned a strong arm and big pecs.
    He talked about being in the pocket, not turning and handing the rock to Jamal Lewis.

  8. fletcher08 says: May 29, 2011 1:25 PM

    Who is Trent Dilfer?

  9. southridge23 says: May 29, 2011 1:30 PM

    Everynight before Dilfer goes to bed he takes his vitamins and prays to god thanking him for Ray Lewis

  10. willycents says: May 29, 2011 1:34 PM

    “The pocket has to be nice[for Ponder to excel]”

    WOW. Brilliant statement. Great thought. Who of the 90 some odd qbs on NFL rosters can excell when they are running for their lives because the pocket broke down?

  11. brasho says: May 29, 2011 1:43 PM

    Ponder has “big guns and big pecs”? He’s a workout warrior? Not the Christian Ponder I know. The one I know has noodle arms… don’t know about his pecs… and has a weak arm.

    I just don’t see it.

  12. drmonkeyarmy says: May 29, 2011 1:46 PM

    If Dilfer isn’t your buddy he rails on you. If I here him call one of his friends by first name on air again I might vomit. This isn’t some local broadcast. He is paid to be objective, not give Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees, and even Alex Smith a pass because they hang out. So until Ponder goes to Southern California to suck up to Dilfer, expect criticism. But if Drew Brees throws 22 picks, he is still super awesome and does no wrong.

  13. geo1113 says: May 29, 2011 1:46 PM

    Bothered seems like a strange word to use considering Ponder’s statement. His statements comes off as dismissive of Dilfer as a guy with a personal beef.

  14. brasho says: May 29, 2011 1:48 PM

    Show me where in this shirtless pic from Ponder’s where he has big pecs and guns…

    http://ladiesdotdotdot.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/christian-ponder-02.jpg?w=281&h=480

    Ok, so he doesn’t have noodle arms as I said, but he is merely in shape, nothing big about him.

  15. ramcountry says: May 29, 2011 1:49 PM

    “Selecting Sam Bradford….catastrophic mistake…for the Rams.”

    -Trent Dilfer, early April, 2010.

  16. imjinbrdgr says: May 29, 2011 1:50 PM

    You think he’s shaky in the pocket now? Wait till he’s introduced to Clay Mathews!

  17. johnnycash19 says: May 29, 2011 1:51 PM

    Ponder will use the criticisms of Dilfer and draftniks to fuel his fire
    ————-
    Clay Matthews and Ndamukong Suh will put that fire out pretty quickly.

  18. goforthanddie says: May 29, 2011 1:52 PM

    Who is Trent Dilfer?

  19. literofcola says: May 29, 2011 2:08 PM

    I am bothered by Dilfer as well!

  20. jw731 says: May 29, 2011 2:10 PM

    Who knows trent……..maybe someday he will have as dominant a defense as the ravens had that year, basically trent, you were the guy who parked their high end car……….Don’t get carried away you BSPN d-bag……..God i hate ESPN

  21. chatham10 says: May 29, 2011 2:11 PM

    ESPN Colin Cowherd thinks that Dilfer is a football brain as a qb and what is says is the final word, I just do not understand why Brad Johnson does not get the same respect because he won as many Super Bowls as Dilfer and both won because of their defense. I heard those comments regarding Ponder and he might be right in the end but right now he is riding the coattails of Cam Newton who Dilfer believes is the greatest thing since slice bread.

  22. vikefan says: May 29, 2011 2:11 PM

    Mr. Ponder, just let your on the field work do all the talking for you. When you are all done, not only can you stick it in his face, you can apply for his job also, with more crediblity and success.

  23. goombar2 says: May 29, 2011 2:13 PM

    Wah, the little viking fans got their feewings hurt…

    Dilfer isn’t saying anything big here. Ponder is not first round talent. Even Ponder’s OWN agent said Ponder was 3rd round material. Why aren’t you guys going after him?

    Trent Dilfer may not have had all the tools, but he’s a smart enough guy and understands the QB position (many teams used his to bring along young talent). He maybe right about Ponder’s future; he maybe wrong… Time will tell. But the stuff he said is spot on.

    I will say this though, all you vike fans that wanted Chilly gone got your wish, but now Rick Spielman is running the show for real and these are his draft picks… If you think this Ponder thing is worth crying about, well hope you got plenty of tissues!

  24. wheels27 says: May 29, 2011 2:14 PM

    Let’s not forget that Dilfer will take any shot he can at Grbac because Baltimore brought him in to replace Dilfer when they realized Dilfer couldn’t do anything but hand off and rely on that great defense. Dilfer was a very subpar QB and may be the worst analyyst ESPN has right now.

  25. trbowman says: May 29, 2011 2:17 PM

    I laugh at the online wannabe scouts who think they’re qualified to judge a player & Dilfer isn’t.

  26. 1phd says: May 29, 2011 2:18 PM

    Dilfer learned what it means to fold under pressure from his days on the bench watching, mentoring and backing up Alex Smith. I will give him his due as an authority on that part at least.

  27. Justin says: May 29, 2011 2:19 PM

    His accuracy is awful?

    Is this the same kid who threw for a 62% completion percent in college? That would be higher than Locker, Gabbert and Dalton.

  28. locutus says: May 29, 2011 2:22 PM

    “The pocket has to be nice [for Ponder to excel],” Dilfer added. “Any time he’s asked to quicken that up or there’s people around him, his accuracy is awful.

    Is this what you mean, Trent?

  29. grudenthediva says: May 29, 2011 2:22 PM

    Ah yes, Trent Dilfer, the man who said Sam Bradford wasn’t built to be a successful NFL quarterback and whom would struggle immediately.

    Trent Dilfer, the man who lost his job the year after the Super Bowl to….you guessed it…Elvis Grbac.

    Trent Dilfer, the man who threw a hissy fit at the 10th anniversary celebration of the Ravens Super Bowl win because he still hasn’t gotten over being let go in favor of Grbac.

    Trent Dilfer. Bust. Crybaby. Fake.

  30. renaissanceman87 says: May 29, 2011 2:23 PM

    Willycents…

    Re-watch the highlights of that Packers @ Falcons Divisional playoff game. About 5 or 6 times, a defender breaks through the line and gets their hands on Rodgers only for him to break their grasp or spin out of it and deliver a first-down throw on the run.

    Look at Rodgers’ 2009 season where he was sacked some 50 times, with scrubs like Allen Barbre, T.J. Lang and Daryn Colledge playing the tackle positions that season. Yet he still threw for 4,400 yards and 30 touchdowns.

    Confident, athletic quarterbacks can excel without great protection all the time.

  31. giantrealist says: May 29, 2011 2:25 PM

    Michael Vick.

  32. commandercornpone says: May 29, 2011 2:27 PM

    knock dilfer all u want. the ravens were 5-4 when he became starter. 11 wins later they were 12-4, with 4 playoff wins, and sb champs. he started all 11 of those wins. and i do believe he finished them all too.

    to suggest he didnt play a positive role at all is ludicrous. tony banks wouldnt have gotten them there.

    what other qb did ray ray carry, or more correctly… what other qb carried ray ray to a championship?

    it’s a team game. the team that still glorifies an old lb hasnt won a championship in a long time.

  33. im2fast4you123 says: May 29, 2011 2:28 PM

    trent dilfer wasnt a horrible QB but he wasnt great he isnt one to criticize anyone. he won the super bowl in 200o because of the ravens defense. the was a game manager. he was no favre, manning or brady.

  34. ttommytom says: May 29, 2011 2:31 PM

    This coming from someone who was voted ‘The worst QB to ever win a Super Bowl’. If Ponder has an average career, he will have surpassed Dilfer.

  35. rajbais says: May 29, 2011 2:31 PM

    Dilfer is an idiot, but Ponder should not say all of this until he has success in the league.

  36. ezwriter69 says: May 29, 2011 2:36 PM

    Couldn’t be a better recommendation than having Dilfer hate you… this is a great sign for the Vikes, I guess Ponder’s a lot better than I thought.

  37. bleedgreen says: May 29, 2011 2:36 PM

    willycents says: May 29, 2011 1:34 PM

    “The pocket has to be nice[for Ponder to excel]”

    WOW. Brilliant statement. Great thought. Who of the 90 some odd qbs on NFL rosters can excell when they are running for their lives because the pocket broke down?

    —————-

    I know its rhetorical, but I think the answer to your question is

    1) Ben Roethlesburger
    2) Michael Vick
    3) Tony Romo (sometimes)
    4) Thats it.

  38. jokendave says: May 29, 2011 2:36 PM

    Dilfer in my book is hardly a HOF QB. I remember watching a game he was in thinking,”Iam sure glad we don’t have him.” I think that most rookies have it hard enough without some rating seeker trying to analyiz someone who has just got the shot of his life in to thinking he shouldn’t be there. I agree with fletcher08: “Who the hell is Dilfer?” If it wasn’t for the job he has now, no one would give him a second thought.

  39. goldrush36 says: May 29, 2011 2:51 PM

    Dilfer couldn’t beat out Alex Smith for the starting job. Enough said. He lucked himself into the superbowl and lucked himself into games when Alex got hurt.

  40. Ricardo Grande says: May 29, 2011 2:57 PM

    Please PFT…

    No more quotes from Trent Dilfer. You’re killing brain cells out here…

    Thank you.

  41. ravensfan4life52 says: May 29, 2011 2:59 PM

    Sorry Trent but it’s hard for me to take your criticisms of other QBs seriously even though i realize you are just trying to do your job.

  42. the24sevensportsrambler says: May 29, 2011 3:04 PM

    I agree with everything . its almost as bad as tim hasselbeck tryig to critique a QB.. whos he again? oh yes.. hes the one who is matts brother. Dilfer.. hes a funny guy.. he’s trying to come out with bold statements to make a name for himself. He was run out of town in tampa, then he was run out of town in baltimore, then he was run out of town in cleveland.. oh and Seattle.. he never even played lol

  43. jaypace says: May 29, 2011 3:04 PM

    I didn’t hear anyone say folder is wrong ponder was the biggest reach in the draft and having watched a majority of his games at Fsu his opinion isn’t far off. People can hate on folder but you don’t luck your way to a super bowl he did the job the ravens asked him to do which was don’t. Low it for our defense, that being said the bucs reached on drafting him too. But he was a better prospect coming out than ponder.

  44. liquidmuse says: May 29, 2011 3:07 PM

    Sooo…I guess all the GMs, all the coaches, all the professional draftniks need to not comment or make evaluations—because they weren’t All-Pros. *Insanely* stupid logic. Dilfer’s JOB is to evaluate QBs, & he watches a TON of film. Oh, & by the way, he’s *on record* as saying he was a terrible quarterback. But I guess unless you were an All-Star, you can’t coach, scout, or even TALK about football. (?!?)

  45. mddare007 says: May 29, 2011 3:07 PM

    Seems like kind of a dick move to criticize a guy who has played a snap of NFL football, especially coming from the windbag that is Trent Dilfer. This WAS a year where teams did reach for QBs in the draft, but that doesn’t mean that this QB class can’t be good. I withhold judgement until week 17.

  46. seahawk77 says: May 29, 2011 3:22 PM

    Dilfer is a loud mouth. All that hooting and hollering about hasselhoff then this…not to mention he was a dick in seatown. Just ask Matt….

  47. bobwhitequail says: May 29, 2011 3:26 PM

    Trent Dilfer is about the worst QB evaluator on the planet. He said Jimmy Clausen would be a savior and Sam Bradford would be a disaster (you can find his recorded statements by googling).

    Just because Dilfer was a QB doesn’t mean he can evaulate QB’s. His track record in this regard is simply horrible. I don’t know why people listen to him at all.

  48. jesse1834 says: May 29, 2011 3:36 PM

    You mean Ponder is Trent Dilfer w/o a ring.

  49. snnyjcbs says: May 29, 2011 3:39 PM

    That is what happens when you put all these Jocks into the Media, for many it is personnel for what ever the reason.

    I can see if most of these guys that seem to enjoy downing some of these young guys so much were any good when they played. You have a guy like Dilfer that the coach felt had a better chance in replacing him with who?, lol

    It was Dilfer and Chris Carter that seemed to relish beating down DHB when Drafted to the point one thought they must have caught their Mama’s sleeping with the dude.

    What show is Dilfer on by the way, I heard he was standing in Grocery Stores on the Weekends like many of the other washouts trying to sell he photo to little old Ladies for 10.00 a pop.

  50. burnzy32 says: May 29, 2011 3:45 PM

    he better hope Dilfers wrong and he doesn’t need a “nice” pocket, cause with Suh and Fairley and Williams pushing up the middle, there won’t be anything nice about that

  51. realfootballfan says: May 29, 2011 3:45 PM

    The assclown strikes again. If he sees Grbac in Ponder, I must be Stevie Wonder.

    Ponder will have the best career out of this class, and even if he ends up being Grbac 2.0, it’s decidedly better than anything Dilfer ever did in the NFL, except be lucky enough to be on the 2000 Ravens team that won the Super Bowl despite QB play instead of the ’01 version helmed by Grbac that had a host of injuries.

  52. thefiesty1 says: May 29, 2011 3:48 PM

    He better develop thick skin if he’s going to make it in the NFL. All sorts of people are going to give him a hard time if he doesn’t. Turn the other cheek and move on and play your best. Keeping you mouth shut regarding criticizm will serve him better in the end.

  53. goawayeverybody says: May 29, 2011 3:59 PM

    How can anyone say that a quarterback is going to turn out a certain way before they have even stepped on the field?

  54. descendency says: May 29, 2011 4:04 PM

    Trent Dilfer is an expert on bad QB play, so I guess we should take this serious.

  55. stellarperformance says: May 29, 2011 4:05 PM

    If Ponder plays within the run-oriented system that Favre could not allow himself to conform to, he could be successful. If the run gets shut down, he is in for a long season.

  56. dave1961 says: May 29, 2011 4:13 PM

    Christain he’s just a jealous dude… Infact Dilfer holds one very proud record in the NFL…. he’s the only totally bust at QB to have a team get him a superbowl ring as starter. He is the worst starting quarterback ever on a winning superbowl… so bad infact… they dumped him right after the superbowl…. plus nobody in the nfl cares to hear his opinions because he’s just a very negative dude all around….I like Ponder alot and I had him going to ther Jags at 16….. Dilfer you sucked as a QB and you suck as an analyst…. infact, they outta fire you like they fired Tiki Barber… you’re both cancerous to the NFL.

  57. williefog5 says: May 29, 2011 4:14 PM

    He watched Ponder and stated his opinion. I watched Dilfer and wish to state mine.

    He was a first round pick of the Tampa Bay Bucs. He held out his rookie year and never made up the ground he lost. He cheated the fans. He did not have respect here. He lucked out with the Ravens and they won a Super Bowl. They didn’t have a high opinion of him either, he was gone the next year.

    He lucked out again getting a job with ESPN as an analyst.

    Guess he is the poster boy for Under Achievers.

  58. vikefan says: May 29, 2011 4:18 PM

    While dilfer may say he may not be the most talented physically, he certainly is between the ears!! And that is more than what half the qb’s in the league can do already, Recognize defenses & learn some good audibles. He played 4 years @FSU with not a single other player on his offense being drafted in that time. Along with that, his statistics were higher than the rest, and he won a bowl game. If he can manage an offense in college (granted the talent is not the same) with no other talent close to his on his offense, he has already proven he has talent & brains. He will NOT be expected to win games in a smart game plan, he will manage the game with 2 tight end sets, reading the D, handing to #28, and a few audibles here and there, and quick passes to tight ends. Vikings did not draft Kyle Rudolph in 2nd round for nothing. they will be smart with running game and quick accurate passing attack to keep pressure off him. Other than that, it would b wise for him to get a life and ignore bs tv analysts who dont know anything but feel the need to make their stupidity known.

  59. saxmachine69 says: May 29, 2011 4:37 PM

    LMAO Dilfer’s comments were nothing but Vikings hatred like he’s spewed his entire post football career since the Vikings ended his career.

    Literally everything he’s said I’ve seen significant evidence to disprove. He has some of the best Redzone and 4th quarter stats of any of the QBs. Watch his North Carolina or Miami game tapes and you’ll see he struggled early and got better as the game went on.

    His pocket awareness is not bad, not great but not bad. He certainly doesn’t “choke” under pressure.

    He is the most accurate of any QB in this draft, so he accuracy comment was complete garbage.

    And the workout warrior bs is so unfounded it’s ridiculous. He was a 1st round pick before he got hurt, and after he got healthy again he proved he was a 1st round pick again. He’s not a workout warrior, his arm is not JaMarcus Russell’s or Drunkenmeyer’s or what ever other workout warrior you want to compare him too. His workouts only proved exactly what people had thought of him before the injury. Good, not great arm, but can make all the throws. Great anticipation and accuracy. Great mechanics (another thing Dilfer was wrong about) and great footwork.

    Also, Ponder has something all those other “workout warriors” don’t have. Intelligence, intangibles, dedication and leadership.

    Trent Dilfer probably hasn’t watched a single Ponder highlight from 09 when he wasn’t hurt. Dilfer is just spewing the same Viking hatred he spews any time the team’s name comes up. He is the most biased, hard headed, moronic analyst there is in the entire media

  60. raynman49 says: May 29, 2011 5:02 PM

    With VERY few exceptions, qb’s are only as good as their offensive lines. As a Giants fan,look what Simms and Eli had in their good runs. I’m sorry, not great qbs!

  61. goldrush36 says: May 29, 2011 5:02 PM

    1phd says: May 29, 2011 2:18 PM

    Dilfer learned what it means to fold under pressure from his days on the bench watching, mentoring and backing up Alex Smith. I will give him his due as an authority on that part at least.

    ___________________________________

    Trent already knew this first hand to begin with. Hence the reason HE was the backup in the first place.

  62. smoothjimmyapollo says: May 29, 2011 5:08 PM

    “Sooo…I guess all the GMs, all the coaches, all the professional draftniks need to not comment or make evaluations—because they weren’t All-Pros. *Insanely* stupid logic. Dilfer’s JOB is to evaluate QBs, & he watches a TON of film. Oh, & by the way, he’s *on record* as saying he was a terrible quarterback. But I guess unless you were an All-Star, you can’t coach, scout, or even TALK about football. (?!?)”
    ——————————————————
    This is the best comment in the thread. Dilfer sucked as a player, therefore he must be stupid.

  63. brewdogg says: May 29, 2011 5:15 PM

    I’m not going to pretend that I’ve watched a lot of Ponder’s college work, but this might interest little boy Dilfer…..
    http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/splits/_/id/183733/christian-ponder
    Seems like he performed pretty well in the 4th quarter and in close games to me….

    I guess my biggest problem is calling Ponder a workout wonder. Isn’t that title generally reserved for those who can do things like throw 80 yards and run 4.3 40s? I thought Ponder’s strengths were being smart and accurate…..

  64. mneal69 says: May 29, 2011 5:26 PM

    brasho says:May 29, 2011 1:48 PM

    Show me where in this shirtless pic from Ponder’s where he has big pecs and guns…

    http://ladiesdotdotdot.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/christian-ponder-02.jpg?w=281&h=480
    __________________________________

    I don’t whats creepier Dilfers comments or you looking for a picture of Ponder with his shirt off.

  65. locutus says: May 29, 2011 5:33 PM

    liquidmuse says: May 29, 2011 3:07 PM

    Sooo…I guess all the GMs, all the coaches, all the professional draftniks need to not comment or make evaluations—because they weren’t All-Pros. *Insanely* stupid logic. Dilfer’s JOB is to evaluate QBs, & he watches a TON of film. Oh, & by the way, he’s *on record* as saying he was a terrible quarterback. But I guess unless you were an All-Star, you can’t coach, scout, or even TALK about football. (?!?)

    Sheesh! What truly is insanely stupid logic (actually it is a strawman arguement) is your attempt to discredit the criticism that Dilfer deserves regarding his statements about Ponder. The general consensus is that Dilfer allows his personal animosity towards a person and/or team to creep into his “assessment” about the player and team. He had no problem singing the praises of Scam Newton while he threw uncontested passes in shorts, yet criticizes Ponder. His forward vision leaves a lot to be desired where he praised Clausen and panned Bradford. Ponders accuracy was the highest amongst QBs this year. Ponder had no significant help at FSU and still led his team to victories because aside from him, who else was drafted from FSU offensively?

    Dilfer screams of SOUR GRAPES! And you scream of unable to comprehend.

  66. fwippel says: May 29, 2011 5:36 PM

    I hope Dilfer ends up being wrong, but I doubt it. If the Vikings are dumb enough to start Ponder behind their porous OL, he’ll get knocked out before half the season is gone. He’s already shown himself to be injury prone in college.

    Time will tell whether this reach works out for the Vikings. But until their OL gets upgraded, I’d start Joe Webb and no one else. At least Webb won’t be a sitting duck back their.

  67. qj1984 says: May 29, 2011 6:41 PM

    I am not at all surprised that Dilfer doesnt think very highly of Grbac. Seeing as though thats the guy that replaced him in Baltimore. Ponder be happy. Dilfer saying you’ll be the next Elvis Grbac just means you’ll be better than Dilfer.

  68. sportsrube90 says: May 29, 2011 6:50 PM

    haha Dilfer is a joke. Everytime he talks about a QB I feel like he is jealous or something because he sucked so much so he is trying to bring other guys down.

  69. vikefan says: May 29, 2011 6:56 PM

    goombar, your pathetic bias towards the vikings shines clearly through again. you are the only one here saying it was a bad pick & time for you to take some writing lessons so your rhetoric is not so transparent.

    that vikings stadium thing is starting to scare you and u may actually have to pay taxes you wont like, oh dear!!

  70. firerogergoodell says: May 29, 2011 7:16 PM

    It sounds like Trent Dilfer is still upset with his post-career criticism. What a hack. Grbac replaced him on the Ravens depth chart. Coincidence? I think not. Worst analyst at ESPN, and it’s not even close…

  71. reents says: May 29, 2011 7:18 PM

    I don’t know if anybody already commented on this, but kinda of intresting Dilfer brings up Grbac and takes a shot at him too, being that Grbac replaced Dilfer in Baltimore.

  72. pedd13 says: May 29, 2011 8:22 PM

    in the superbowl the ravens won. i think the ravens D, scored more points than differ lead offence

  73. tmac48 says: May 29, 2011 8:47 PM

    If it wasn’t for that defense, Trent Dilfer would be a nobody with no ring. He’s the worst QB to ever win a super bowl. I can’t stand how ridiculous he sounds on the four letter network. He acts like he’s this great quarterback because he has a ring when everybody knows it was because of the defense. Don’t worry Ponder, he’s a total douche.

  74. richm2256 says: May 29, 2011 9:18 PM

    commandercornpone says:

    what other qb did ray ray carry, or more correctly… what other qb carried ray ray to a championship?
    ————————————————–
    And what other team did Dilfer lead to a Super Bowl?

    To suggest that Dilfer carried Ray Lewis is about the single stupidest thing I’ve ever read on PFT.

    What a moronic statement to make.

  75. supersuckers3 says: May 29, 2011 9:26 PM

    Dilfer is right. He plays scared. Pondering Ponder as a franchise QB is not a good idea. No offseason to begin development and no free agency (which the vikings love for some moronic reason) means no QB. This team is going to suffer through a couple of three or four win seasons before they can be relevant. The All In experiment failed and these are the consequences.

  76. shaggytoodle says: May 29, 2011 9:50 PM

    I think most fans will generally agree that Ponder was drafted too high. I think most people will agree there were better players on the board when he was selected.

    It wasn’t Ponders fault that he got drafted where he did, and he probably catches more crap for it than he should.

  77. dailynorseman says: May 29, 2011 9:54 PM

    Dilfer’s criticism is nothing short of hilarious, because he’s shown on numerous occasions that he doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/16564/bradford-selection-catastrophic

    “Bradford is a talented guy,” Dilfer said. “I understand why the perception has become what it is — because he looks good in shorts. But that is the way he has played football, too. He has played in a 7-on-7 environment, not an 11-on-11 environment.”

    He also said that Jimmy Claussen was “by far” the best college quarterback that entered the 2010 Draft. That would be the same Jimmy Claussen that was so awesome and that the Carolina Panthers see so much potential in that it took them exactly twelve months to draft his replacement.

    Dilfer hates Christian Ponder? Well, I suppose that means we should just go ahead and pencil him in as the 2011 NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year.

  78. freedomispopular says: May 29, 2011 10:14 PM

    Dilfer is lucky that Christian Ponder’s dad isn’t Phil Simms.

  79. ejmat2 says: May 29, 2011 10:26 PM

    Dilfer is the biggest dildo in the NFL. The guy did nothing as a #6 overall pick. He won a superbowl because of two reasons. The Ravens defense and Shaannon Sharp. If it weren’t for that one catch and run what did he do in that game? He’s a teriible analyst and was an even worse QB.

  80. thereisalwaysnextyear says: May 29, 2011 10:30 PM

    Really? Dilfer was replaced by grbac. Bitter? Elvis had an 80 qb rating vs trents 70. Elvis threw more tds than int while Trent threw more int than tds. Both had one pro bowl but because the d won Trent a super bowl he throws Elvis under the bus? Elvis was the better qb according to every stat.

  81. pedd13 says: May 29, 2011 11:22 PM

    I think most fans will generally agree that Ponder was drafted too high. I think most people will agree there were better players on the board when he was selected.

    ok. but diifer is arragant and never lived up to mel kiffer tirad that the colts should of drafted him.

  82. goldsteel says: May 29, 2011 11:47 PM

    I wouldn’t worry about it, Mr. Ponder. Use the criticism as personal motivation. Just do your best to be a complete player. That’s all anyone can ask of you.

  83. arnoldziffel says: May 30, 2011 12:00 AM

    This is what ex-players do when they become employed as broadcasters – they have to show they’re not going to be soft on guys who are still playing in the league.

    We see this time and again, and Dilfer is no different that the rest who have successfully or semi-successfully made the transition to the other side – from player to analyst.

    In the long run, Dilfer’s comments mean nothing … as fans we are simply entertained by them .. positively or negatively. Networks also like guys who are lightning rods, because it means viewers are watching their analysts and not ones on another network.

    Ponder’s career will ultimately be determined by himself, his teammates, and the ability of their coaches. Right now, he’s a little too thin skinned if a talking head can get this goat this easily.

  84. usnbrownsfan says: May 30, 2011 12:42 AM

    Can we get a list of all the qbs who were started in favor of dilfer?

    Elvis Grbac
    Charlie Frye

    Add more, those are the two I can think of right now but I know there is more.

  85. billmead1976 says: May 30, 2011 1:45 AM

    some 80 comments on this article but only a couple really touch on whether Dilfer’s assessment had any merit. Most of you guys just want to fuel national enquirer junk and bag on Dilfer.

    The guy on Viking update says this about Ponder:

    “…Has excellent accuracy, but it decreases the farther he gets from the line of scrimmage…Isn’t overly aware of pass rushers and will take the kind of shots that are turnovers in the NFL…Took almost every snap out of the shotgun and will need a lot of refinement…”

    So there is at least one other guy that kind of agrees with Dilfer. I’ve never seen Ponder play, but now I’ve got something to think about if I do see him play. And that’s why we have these analysts….

    So cut dilfer a break, he’s doing his job – he may be wrong or right – but now you have something else to watch for.

  86. descendency says: May 30, 2011 7:28 AM

    My friend preparing for an English GRE offered this wit:

    Dilfer:QB::Dilfer:Analyst

  87. brasho says: May 30, 2011 7:31 AM

    mneal69 says:
    May 29, 2011 5:26 PM
    brasho says:May 29, 2011 1:48 PM

    Show me where in this shirtless pic from Ponder’s where he has big pecs and guns…

    http://ladiesdotdotdot.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/christian-ponder-02.jpg?w=281&h=480
    __________________________________

    I don’t whats creepier Dilfers comments or you looking for a picture of Ponder with his shirt off.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Ummm, maybe it had something to do with the fact that Dilfer made a stupid comment about him having big guns so I googled pics of him and I came across that one. Are you really so hopeful of finding other gay males out there that you project your feelings out onto others? Or maybe you don’t like Ponder being criticized because you think his body is plenty hot. Whatever it is, you are the only one making this a sexual thing. Why would you do that?

  88. henrypuppyhead says: May 30, 2011 8:40 AM

    renaissanceman87 says: May 29, 2011 2:23 PM

    Look at Rodgers’ 2009 season where he was sacked some 50 times, with scrubs like Allen Barbre, T.J. Lang and Daryn Colledge playing the tackle positions that season.

    ———-

    Lang is hardly a “scrub”. He went in as a rookie and put up solid coverage, shutting down Jared Allen and helping to put some stability back in the Oline even though he was rough around the edges. Yes, Barbre and Colledge at LT are scrubs.

    As far as Ponder, the kid is going to be David Carr if the spermheads don’t solidify their Oline. He’ll be handing off the rock to Petersen who will then promptly fumble it in their new “power running” game.

  89. armchairgm9 says: May 30, 2011 8:41 AM

    Where in his quotes does Ponder say he was “bothered” by the comments? He just said he heard he was railing him and that Dilfer made it sound personal. And then cracks on him.

  90. locutus says: May 30, 2011 9:23 AM

    usnbrownsfan says: May 30, 2011 12:42 AM

    Can we get a list of all the qbs who were started in favor of dilfer?

    Elvis Grbac
    Charlie Frye

    Alex Smith

  91. locutus says: May 30, 2011 9:29 AM

    billmead1976 says: May 30, 2011 1:45 AM

    some 80 comments on this article but only a couple really touch on whether Dilfer’s assessment had any merit. Most of you guys just want to fuel national enquirer junk and bag on Dilfer.

    The guy on Viking update says this about Ponder:

    “…Has excellent accuracy, but it decreases the farther he gets from the line of scrimmage…Isn’t overly aware of pass rushers and will take the kind of shots that are turnovers in the NFL…Took almost every snap out of the shotgun and will need a lot of refinement…”

    Viking Update? Lol

    Sorry, but I would rather take the word of Mike Mayock and Jon Gruden.

  92. vikefan says: May 30, 2011 10:47 AM

    renaissanceman87 says: May 29, 2011 2:23 PM

    Look at Rodgers’ 2009 season where he was sacked some 50 times, with scrubs like Allen Barbre, T.J. Lang and Daryn Colledge playing the tackle positions that season.

    ———-

    Lang is hardly a “scrub”. He went in as a rookie and put up solid coverage, shutting down Jared Allen and helping to put some stability back in the Oline even though he was rough around the edges. Yes, Barbre and Colledge at LT are scrubs.

    As far as Ponder, the kid is going to be David Carr if the spermheads don’t solidify their Oline. He’ll be handing off the rock to Petersen who will then promptly fumble it in their new “power running” game.

    *********************************
    Brilliant observation, how many fumbles did 28 have last year? oh right, 0!!!!

  93. shaggytoodle says: May 30, 2011 11:31 AM

    Brilliant observation, how many fumbles did 28 have last year? oh right, 0!!!!
    ______________________________

    First of all he had 1.

    He also touched the ball 30 times less than he did the previous season which is good for his body, but that probably also helped.

    With a rookie QB I am assuming they are going to lean on him a bit more and hopefully the fumbles don’t increase as well.

  94. brewdogg says: May 30, 2011 12:12 PM

    henrypuppyhead says:
    May 30, 2011 8:40 AM
    renaissanceman87 says: May 29, 2011 2:23 PM

    Look at Rodgers’ 2009 season where he was sacked some 50 times, with scrubs like Allen Barbre, T.J. Lang and Daryn Colledge playing the tackle positions that season.

    ———-

    Lang is hardly a “scrub”. He went in as a rookie and put up solid coverage, shutting down Jared Allen and helping to put some stability back in the Oline even though he was rough around the edges. Yes, Barbre and Colledge at LT are scrubs.

    As far as Ponder, the kid is going to be David Carr if the spermheads don’t solidify their Oline. He’ll be handing off the rock to Petersen who will then promptly fumble it in their new “power running” game.
    —————————————-

    Yes, Lang is outstanding…. He’s so good that, after seeing what he can do in game action, the Packers used 1st-round picks in each of the next two seasons to bring in tackles….. Brilliant observation….

    BTW, were you aware that, despite having both starting Gs end up on IR and the C battling issues with both calf muscles all year, the Vikings allowed fewer sacks than the Packers?

  95. vikefan says: May 30, 2011 12:51 PM

    yes, i expect 28 to carry a very large burden this year which means the o-line expectations need to be very high.

  96. stellarperformance says: May 30, 2011 1:03 PM

    brewdogg says: May 30, 2011 12:12 PM
    BTW, were you aware that, despite having both starting Gs end up on IR and the C battling issues with both calf muscles all year, the Vikings allowed fewer sacks than the Packers?
    ——————————————————————-

    BTW…were you aware that desperate fans of desperate teams will split hairs on statistics in order to make themselves feel better? The Packers had 38 sacks in 541 passing attempts. The Vikings had 36 sacks in 505 attempts. If I use your splitting hairs methodology, the Packers had fewer sacks per passing attempt.

    And this is only for the regular season, not the post-season, where comparable statistics are not available (for some reason.)

  97. henrypuppyhead says: May 30, 2011 1:31 PM

    brewdogg says: May 30, 2011 12:12 PM

    henrypuppyhead says:
    May 30, 2011 8:40 AM
    renaissanceman87 says: May 29, 2011 2:23 PM

    Look at Rodgers’ 2009 season where he was sacked some 50 times, with scrubs like Allen Barbre, T.J. Lang and Daryn Colledge playing the tackle positions that season.

    ———-

    Lang is hardly a “scrub”. He went in as a rookie and put up solid coverage, shutting down Jared Allen and helping to put some stability back in the Oline even though he was rough around the edges. Yes, Barbre and Colledge at LT are scrubs.

    As far as Ponder, the kid is going to be David Carr if the spermheads don’t solidify their Oline. He’ll be handing off the rock to Petersen who will then promptly fumble it in their new “power running” game.
    —————————————-

    Yes, Lang is outstanding…. He’s so good that, after seeing what he can do in game action, the Packers used 1st-round picks in each of the next two seasons to bring in tackles….. Brilliant observation….

    BTW, were you aware that, despite having both starting Gs end up on IR and the C battling issues with both calf muscles all year, the Vikings allowed fewer sacks than the Packers?

    ————–

    Check the passing stats and the final record and get back to me. Pretty easy to give up less sacks when your QB is throwing the ball away and not even close to the same amount of passing attempts. You think the right side of the spermhead line isn’t something to be concerned with? You think McKinnie isn’t starting to mail it in? You keep telling yourself everything is dandy when ponder is picking a used needle out of his face after building that stadium on a toxic waste site.

    As far as Lang, he is being groomed as a Guard, not a Tackle. So being able to step up as a rookie speaks volumes. He was never slotted to take over Tackle and will likely be starting at LG this year.

    As far as using the injury excuse, are you daft? Guard isn’t exactly a overwhelming position to fill if you have depth. Add in the Packers overcame 15 injured players, including their starting RT and Clifton at LT is a concern due to past injury history. Boy, that might be the other reason why they have drafted two tackles in the past two years.

    You keep getting happy as Spielman pisses away money Snyderbrenner style and builds no depth. Enjoy your slow burn to the bottom. Ponder has the skillset, surrounding talent and coaching is another issue.

  98. henrypuppyhead says: May 30, 2011 1:32 PM

    shaggytoodle says: May 30, 2011 11:31 AM

    Brilliant observation, how many fumbles did 28 have last year? oh right, 0!!!!
    ______________________________

    First of all he had 1.

    He also touched the ball 30 times less than he did the previous season which is good for his body, but that probably also helped.

    With a rookie QB I am assuming they are going to lean on him a bit more and hopefully the fumbles don’t increase as well.

    ——————–

    I’ll take the over.

  99. brewdogg says: May 30, 2011 5:17 PM

    Boy you guys are easy to bait…..

    stellar…. You’re absolutely right. That would be 14.2 for the Pack vs 14.0 for the Vikings. That’s awfully close…..especially since the Packers are supposed to have such massively superior QB and WRs….. So if the Vikings OL is crap, than the Packers OL is……. Hmmmm……

    henry…. First off, thank you so much for jumping on the injury thing…. Unfortunately, you are wrong in your assessment. While I agree that G is not a pivotal position that requires a star to be successful, replacing OL midseason is much harder than replacing defensive players. Defense is chaotic and destructive. OL depends on cooperation, which is generally only achieved through time. You want proof? Why do teams sub in DL and LB based on situations, but don’t do the same of OL? But this is all besides the point….. You have just dismissed the impact of injuries on team play. So I guess it doesn’t matter how many injuries the Packers had, now does it?

    For the record, I do believe the OL needs work, particularly on the pass. But when someone decides to post crap, I’ll respond with more crap. And henry’s post is still steaming…..

  100. carlgerbschmidt says: May 31, 2011 12:43 PM

    locutus says:
    May 29, 2011 2:22 PM
    “The pocket has to be nice [for Ponder to excel],” Dilfer added. “Any time he’s asked to quicken that up or there’s people around him, his accuracy is awful.

    Is this what you mean, Trent?
    _______________

    That was a nice play. He might be a perfect fit for the vikes, did you notice it got called back because of a hold?

  101. brewdogg says: May 31, 2011 11:45 PM

    carlgerbschmidt says:
    May 31, 2011 12:43 PM
    locutus says:
    May 29, 2011 2:22 PM
    “The pocket has to be nice [for Ponder to excel],” Dilfer added. “Any time he’s asked to quicken that up or there’s people around him, his accuracy is awful.

    Is this what you mean, Trent?
    _______________

    That was a nice play. He might be a perfect fit for the vikes, did you notice it got called back because of a hold?
    ——————————

    Yeah, I noticed that too. I still don’t like you, but nice shot, that did make me smile.

  102. ian1362 says: Jun 1, 2011 2:18 PM

    Elvis Grbac was a better QB than Trent Dilfer.

  103. shaggytoodle says: Jun 1, 2011 2:49 PM

    Well the two people that have replaced Favre in NY and GB had thier team in conference championships within 3 years after leaving.

    Good luck with that Minny.

  104. henrypuppyhead says: Jun 3, 2011 6:55 PM

    brewdogg says: May 30, 2011 5:17 PM

    henry…. First off, thank you so much for jumping on the injury thing…. Unfortunately, you are wrong in your assessment. While I agree that G is not a pivotal position that requires a star to be successful, replacing OL midseason is much harder than replacing defensive players. Defense is chaotic and destructive. OL depends on cooperation, which is generally only achieved through time. You want proof? Why do teams sub in DL and LB based on situations, but don’t do the same of OL? But this is all besides the point….. You have just dismissed the impact of injuries on team play. So I guess it doesn’t matter how many injuries the Packers had, now does it?

    For the record, I do believe the OL needs work, particularly on the pass. But when someone decides to post crap, I’ll respond with more crap. And henry’s post is still steaming…..

    ——-

    And that’s why I mentioned building depth. How exactly did I dismiss the impact of injuries slowcoach? You used the injury excuse and I pointed out the Packers had more injuries and won the Superbowl. Tough concept to grasp, I know.

    You keep making up excuses as the spermhead Oline collapses right on top of Ponder.

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